I'm not sure if the snake was killed by the religious people. The snake would have been only a skeleton because it happened about 16 years before the story, but, it could be one of those secrets the devs didn't really pay much attention to detail while making them
i dont think snake was theri just bcz DEV love snake we already know R* gave a lot of easter eggs including real life incidents. only qstn i have that if locals killed that giant snake why we dont counter any one in the game whos been speaking abut this snake i mean itsa huge snake people might go crazy, also how they killed this giant snake, we dont see any injured side or marks all over its body its totlly clean.
@@Iamaclone3821 what about the people who actually came over and massacred the town? If I killed some massive python that had been deified by Satanists, I wouldn't stop talking about it for years
I remember reading somewhere someone from Rockstar had confirmed that the snake was left over because they tried to do a Legendary Snake, but the physics of a giant snake couldn’t be figured out, when it attacked the physics would get all janky, as you can imagine with the physics engine of RDR, a massive snake would be hard to get right. So instead of that they just draped the snake over a tree as instead.
See, the problem is, there's the meta reason, but then there's the in-universe reason. Like, sure, that may be the meta reason for the snake being there, but in-universe, it's not unreasonable to come to Strange Man's conclusion, that the giant snake is related to Pleasance, since they're so close together.
Wait, maybe both are correct. Maybe the snake was supposed to be related to the town, and would be a legendary animal. If it was a side quest it would be even better, like the religious people killed the community but weren't able to kill the snake, or they needed help to take down the satanists, and you would be able to pick a side. I don't know. But this snake had so much potential, and I feel like they definetely could have made a proper animation for it, but they probably didn't want to spend much more time with such a smal thing in the grand scheme of things.
I love the difference between Arthur finding Pleasance and John, Arthur sketches his view point with some pretty accurate detail. John draws a couple of graves and writes I found an abandoned town. John is not one to keep a Journal and write like that, but does it for Arthur.
Someone from the town must have survived, because someone had intricate knowledge of the victims, including their names and birth years. Someone who cared about the murdered townspeople also inscribed a few loving epitaphs on the tombstones, no way a bunch of murderous religious zealots, took the time to bury satanists and inscribe those epitaphs.
I didn't even think of this. Great point! It would be interesting if this was true, and we could meet the survivor as Arthur/John, maybe even doing a side mission.
Thot Destroyer 9000 I wonder if the the sole survivor could be the strange man? Maybe he sold his soul to the Devil for immortality, that’s why he survived the slaughter? I think if that is the case, maybe his payment is to wander the Earth collecting souls for Satan now? He did get the soul of the shopkeeper in Armadillo, the shopkeeper even has a picture of him on the wall behind the counter, I’m wondering if he also got the soul of whoever lived in that shack out in the bayou, the one where his portrait mysteriously paints itself?
Eric Yoder no because if you read the graves that are in pleasance, every person in the town died on the same day and on some graves it says they were stabbed and on other graves it says they were shot, it was a full blown massacre. I originally thought it was just the plague too.
I dunno, man. If even Nintendo made an Aokigahara (Suicide Forest) reference in Ocarina of Time (a game for CHILDREN), why can't Rockstar make these spooky rabbit holes?
Two things keep surprise me : - the depth of this game that is actualy unreal - all the work that you're putting into breaking mysteries and find what hides behind you're the best RDR2 content creator i know, keep up the good work :D love and support from France
@@snaker9er irl a circus truck crashed near helltown and thats where they actually think the snake came from, i can almost guarantee that the snake is from the dude who crashed one in the game and lost the tiger. it might be a biblical reference too but idk why no ones thought of that
All the play happens at night so I’m always expecting it too. I love this channel. Strange Man has these mysteries explained perfectly with great visual vids.
I inspected the graves nearby and not a single one said they died from any kind of “plague”. They were all shot or stabbed or just “murdered”. That’s when I knew something was up.
@@eccovny Maybe there were terrorists who came thru this place, shot up everyone, and then they found the snake, and wondered what the hell was some THICC snake doing near this tiny town, then they killed it.
The second theory seems to make the most sense here. It was likely those who carried out the executions considered the residents religious beliefs to not only be sinful but a plague on humanity as well.
Different theory: the water is contaminated from upstream where all the mining takes place. A few people got crazy sick, shot up the town, ran into the swamps, and became the night folk.
Doesnt make sense, whatever river (Kamassa river) carried the contaminate downstream would have contaminated everything in its path, meaning all of bluewater marsh, all of Lagras, Caliga Hall, and half of Saint Denis. Doesnt seem likely...
As a Herpetologist I feel I should point out that the Snake is a Boa rather than a Python. It lacks the sensory organs known as heat pits which most Pythons have.
So the "Stay Out Plague" writing is more a threat, like "Stay out of this town, because you are a plague" rather than a warning of "There is a plague, you should stay out" Interesting way of thinking of it.
In red dead online, I saw some people standing in pleasance during night time. I killed one but they were just staring at me. Maybe it was an encounter and it glitched out or it had a meaning.
It is. The "plague" was the zombie virus from the first RDR and the graves are the loved ones who turned and had to be put down. This town is a reference or even the origin of the Undead Nightmare DLC from RDR. The theory in this video is incorrect sadly.
@@iamjohn117suckit The fact this game is a prequel means the events you just described would not yet have happened, correct? Therefore your theory must be incorrect.
Who would've thought that the giant snake had a deeper meaning! Just shows that there are many other easter eggs left to be deeply discovered by strange man 😂
@@hellercord5584 if the snake is satan maybe satan turned into a man to bury them. Least he could do for stealing there souls if thats the case. Can at least give em a respectful burial before you screw them over ya know?
@@lmonk9517maybe that ties in with the strange man and Herbert Moon. Moon made a deal with the devil and Armadillo basically turned into a "hell town" 🤷🏻♀️ I don't know lol I'm stretching for ideas
Wow, the hours I've spent on this game exploring in the 2 years its been out, and I've never even seen that giant snake. How is this game so packed with detail?
The snake only spawns once then despawns and if you miss it you passing through that area the first time you won't ever see it. The snake is mostly just an Easter egg. The abandoned plague village is a reference to the plague in the town out in the desert.
As someone who lives near and family history is deeply connected to "Helltown" or Boston Township, a ton of it's all just urban legend. The picture showing the church and bus are photoshopped together.
The only part of "Helltown" left in Boston is a road that's been closed. You can park and walk around a barricade and see the road that's been retaken by nature just go off into the woods. Really creepy vibe. But if you actually walk back everything has been taken down. Pretty sure the land is owned by state or national parks now.
@@dalemccarthy4301 in the games coding, if you were to mod, you can spawn a MASSIVE boa. It's got the animations on point, but it can't be skinned and when carrying it bugs out. Maybe eventually we will see it officially in the game
Was playing RDR yesterday and went by the Pleasance area. Group of bats flew from one of the buildings and spooked my horse - the same thing happened in one of your videos where you shown some "mysterious" secrets in New Austin area.
I thought someone healthy had written it on the barn before hiding in it so the sick go and read it and say: well, we cant argue with this logic, and leave
Furyan Auror yeah i heard that the tombstones had to with the walking dead theory. I like the theory in the video better tho cuz it just seems more complicated
your theory pushed me to another theory:) theory about people who was possessed by demons. because zombies have nothing about religion. but demons are - plague and sins. I don't feel like Pleasance people was Satanists. btw who cares about Satanists? I mean who bury them in normal graves and carefully leave those inscriptions? and why these graves still not destroyed if it was nasty Satanists? because those people was a victims, not the enemies. And snake ... it's just a snake In the woods lol
I bet it was the story of the garden of Eden. *A snake, red, which is a color associated with the devil *Pleasance is a synonym for garden *something biblical *the snake brought a “plague” of sin *deaths perhaps related to said sin?
You do if you’re a Christian. You know, Christian burial? Most Christians I know believe that how you treat the dead is every bit as important as how you treat the living. Rockstar did their homework.
@@scallywag4978 Christians literally believe suicide makes you ineligible for heaven but they’re going to go out of their way to make sure an entire coven of devil worshippers have polished and symmetrical headstones? Not buying it mang
Once as I rode through Pleasance and stopped for a moment I heard a woman's friendly voice. She said something like "don't go". I was absolutely sure that I was completely alone there. That was so scary 😨
I figured I was hearing things wrong , but throughout the game I swear once in a while I'll hear someone talk and I pan around and no one is there. I even look up into the trees. So it's either got ghosts or some creepy glitches.
The music fits so well with the theme, the edits are perfect, there are a lot of researchs behind : i ve found one of the best rdr2 channel, keep your work 👌
@@mikejordan3598 Yes, this music is mine. Composed and produced by myself. Sometimes I'm searching for videos who use my music. And yesterday I found this video and great channel.
no doubt about it, time period fits for dropping the facts when most likely everyone viewing these clips have finished the game. R* never drops knowledge like that with their own face or never answers when they're asked about stuff, so knowing players will get frustrated with not getting closure on things, they use this method, think its funny that if somebody in game WOULD know al of these things, its the strange man right, perfect character to use for storytelling
I think this theory is probably the best explanation for Pleasance I've seen, but I take issue with a couple things. First of all: "STAY OUT, PLAGUE". Typically, "plague" is reserved for an actual illness, even by hysterical, murderous religious zealots and would not be used without some sort of illness present. The barn seems sealed specifically to keep something in. "UNCLEAN SINNERS" and "ILL WITH SIN" fit the local religious community coming and purging the town, but the barn doesn't fit that really. Neither does the fact that the tombstones have fairly personal, affectionate epitaphs. Someone had to survive. Maybe one of the residents who got cold feet and informed the Christians. The snake has to be something supernatural for it to be linked though, as the town has clearly been in disrepair and abandoned for several years by the time the player finds it and the snake is barely decomposed, if at all, in a swamp. A corpse would not last years, nearly perfectly preserved, exposed in a swamp.
Additionally, several denominations of Christianity (Google says Jehovah's Witness, LDS, Mennonites, and some denominations of Baptists, to name a few) don't use imagery of the cross, or don't often use it, so the church not having a cross does not automatically mean the townsfolk were Satanists, or even non-Christian. It's possible that some townspeople really were sick with a plague such as cholera, dysentery, or typhus, which could have come from contaminated water in the river, or malaria, which could have been carried by mosquitos from stagnant parts of the river. Since this is the late 19th century (and honestly, people were still doing this in the 20th and now the 21st century), people might have seen their neighbors getting sick and assumed it was divine punishment - hence the "Ill with sin!" graffiti. Those people may have even been from another town, predisposed to think the people of Pleasance were 'sinners' because they held different beliefs.
I'm starting to think pleasance was a rough draft/ early version of Butchers Creek. Curses, sickness, devil worshippers etc, probably left it on as a remnant instead of completely removing it.
Yeah why not remaster RDR 1 as DLC for RDR 2 so we can play through both games as 1 that's why I believe New Austins in the game so they got a head start that area is pretty damn empty too!
The Commodore the dehydrated skin-jerky and most of the skeleton would be intact. It would probably fall apart after awhile and no longer be in the tree, but you’d still see remnants
I feel like this guy is actually the Strange Man and the whole Red Dead universe it's some sort of enigma made by him and he's just guiding us through it
Bro I always get the feeling that game is way too immersive like it’s almost not a game how responsive the shit it I mean not really but still it’s fun to think about and tying the strange man, yea he’d definitely be some sort of puppet master in the whole scheme lol
When I was a child and people told me the story of God, I remember that many people said to me "if you don't listen to the devil he will disappear" so I believe that the snake was not killed but rather died alone since nobody thought of him anymore
It's weird because the snake never decays but you can see it dead and if the dates are right and that big snake is apart of this then I think your theory is sort of true knowing how the towns people died and they worshipped Satan I'm guessing the snake died by people not worshiping him but never vanished or decayed because people still remember Satan and my theory support this by the the devil mans cave in the mountains of rdr2 the guy really loved the idea of being a devil so he probably knows that the devil is real and going with your theory the snake never vanishing because people still believe that Satan is real just died because no ones like the idea of it but I dunno thats my take on it
unrelated to this but related to what you said. i dont understand why parents force religion on their kid. just let them live their life like how they want to live it. my paremts told me that 'if you ever do wrong then you will go to hell' sadly i didnt take it the way it was supposed to be taken so i grew up scared to do anything because i thought if i did something wrong then i would go to hell.
Ethan Rhodes have to agree with you there, the most likely suspects are the raiders. The snake is just that, a snake, an Easter egg. A simple way to pay homage to one of the most popular kid’s movies ever (can you say it’s paying homage, if it killed the snake?), the snake just so happens to be there, although it is weird how it’s been 16, or 24 years and it hasn’t been decomposed
It’s crazy to think these are not mods but just all in the base game… Strange man really proved to me that there’s 80% more mysteries than what I thought there were👀
I'm surprised you didn't point out the fact that if the snake had died near the time when the towns folk did, the snake would have surely decomposed by now but yet there it hangs in the tree still....
I’m not sure if he has already covered this, but I want to know what is up with the deer house and the reed house, they’re almost identical inside and also their names. Idk I thought it might have a deeper meaning
i know the places you mean- my theory is the deer house represents honour (blue), and the reed house represents dishonour, as it’s red and backwards. apart from that, i’m not certain
I've found the village on my gameplay, but I never found the snake! Wow, still amazes me the amount of details they've added to this game! Time well spent! By the way, can anyone tell me what horse is it that he is using in the footage? Thank you! Great work, by the way!
Lol I found the snake and shot at it thinking it was a legendary animal to hunt, I was curious about the building structures in the surrounding area though
I think if you have the downloaded version of the game, you can play on ps5. I recently found games I only had on the 3, redownloadable for free in my library. So i think you will be able to play rdr2 on the ps5
Pinky Pie i tell people this alll the time , and that it’s the fans fault for buying into it for this long . Why make a new one when your 8 year old game is still likely making you millions on millions a year .
Some fun facts about Pleasance i just found 1. All of the 10 dead men died in September 1883 either by knife wound or gunshot to the head 2. If you enter the school and then facing the front door, your vision becomes red and blurry and there are uneasy and scary voices appear out of nowhere. You need enter the school at night with a lantern and raise the lantern while facing the front door while standing in the front of the class 3. After you exit the school it starts to rain heavily and thunderstorm, but after you leave pleasance, the rain stops. 4. Inside the school your health core drains faster.
The most confusing thing about plesance is, that they all got shot or killed with a knife, (attacked) but still someone (probably not the ones who killed them) buried them and remembered them positively even though the attack is excused....
probably the local officials buried them, I'm guessing that the bodies were kept inside the barn before the officials investigate the area and buried them
Rockstar confirmed there wouldn't be any more content for RD single player, hopefully they don't make online a shitshow. They did confirm, however, that a third installment would be in the works "if" RD did good on sales, which did AMAZING so hope that they'll make it for the 3rd game even though it'll probably come out in 5 years lmao
2:55 the image of Helltown looks heavily photoshopped though, the schoolbus doesn’t look like it’s properly there because the lighting doesn’t match and same with the church, they’re also both at quite odd angles
Yeah, it is photoshopped, I've seen that exact photo before. It's because the sign entering Helltown, the church and the bus are nowhere near each other, it was done to highlight the 3 legendary areas of Helltown
I can't decide if i'm an idiot because i actually thought a plague happened there, or strange man is a genius and therefore figured it out. Probably both.
"Gamers believe that the town suffered from a zombie plague..." Ah, I see! So this might be the place where Red Dead 2's Undead Nightmare would start? "...and that the giant snake" I see where you're going with this, the snake started the infection! Kind of strange, I've never heard of a snake bite spreading a disease- "is a reference to Kaa from Jungle Book" ..... What?
I have an theory that could link two big mysteries in the game: So as revealed in this video, the inhabitants of pleasance were Satanists who were killed by Christians. So now let's move the focus to Saint Denis; as revealed by the street kid in Chapter 4, most of of citizens of Saint Denis are Catholic. But there is one major citizen of Saint Denis who is not, and that is the Saint Denis Vampire. The locations of his writings are in the shape of an upside pentagram, which is the symbol of the Church of Satan, so he is definitely some kind of Satanist or Devil Worshiper. My theory is that the Saint Denis Vampire was once a citizen of pleasance, and the Christians who attacked them were the Saint Denis Catholics, but he survived the attack. I then think that he became a vampire and moved to Saint Denis so he can have his revenge on the Christians who took his life away
Lumbago Survivor that’s a good theory but I think that is some next level shit. It could be a reference but I don’t think they match but I think it’s a good idea!!
@@yeehaawjuice6987 he's def a dev in my opinion. But I hope that they could tie these easter eggs with more things that are in the game or from past games. Idk why they would tie them to such obscure things nobody knows about lol but at least this guy tells us
Does anyone else get a feeling of someone, no, *something* watching you while you're in Pleasance? I get the same feeling in that bunt up town by the Dakota River. Mostly around the prison.
Being from Ohio myself and fairly close to the real Helltown I think it is cool that you would bring that up. There are plenty of similarities between the two but I don't think that is what happened at all. You have to understand that back in the late 1800s there was actual diseases that spread all over Ohio causing multiple villages to get uprooted. For example Helltown and Moonville. Ironic how they have such dark names considering their fate. Both towns was infected with disease. Moonville was tb and Helltown was in fact due to the spread of something similar. My grandmother told us to stay away from there because it was quarantined off because people was dropping like flies. Helltown was given that name afterwards because the people who lived there went through hell. The satanism stuff didn't start until the 1990s when some teen graffitied a pentagram inside a barn. What I believe happened in red Dead however is the same disease that afflicts the people of Butcher Creek. Inhaled too much swamp gas and eating on what the land around them provides (aka the poisonous sage) drove them insane making them more irritable and physically sick so they believed the devil cursed them. As the residents died off the survivors not having any real medical knowledge instantly blamed the worst mystical thing they could think of rather than blaming their own ignorance. The survivors buried the dead and put up signs after burning down the house it originated in then moved north following the river until they landed where they are now. The snake is just a giant copperhead. A hole other urban legend from these parts. Cool how you put all that together though.
@@grzk Might throw off the snake thing, but remember that the people of that era were very intolerant of differences. Especially in religion. It still makes sense to me.
1:35 no kiddin', this reminds me of The Walking Dead's -Do not open dead inside-. Keep up your great work! I must have watched all your secret videos by now god I love them and keep returning to them! (fun fact I am watching this while theres a storm so that really adds to the vibe)
@@PiracyandDumbbells I still think it is one. Especially with the barn (the walking dead season 2). Just because it is the one thing doesnt mean it isnt the other
I would love to see a DLC called "New Austin Stories" where you play as some other characters and your missions are the ones that let the world as you found in RDR2. Like this one, you have to go to pleasance and finish everyone and the snake as a mini boss battle. Excelent videos as always! Greetings from Guatemala
This is honestly some of the best editing I've seen in a mystery video. It gives me so many nostalgic vibes from san andreas mystery videos from the 2000's.
Originally the snake was meant to be a Legendary Animal, but they couldn't figure out the physics for it. So they decided to leave in a tree as an easter egg.
Don't think tumbleweed could have died out completely within 4 years between 1907 and 1911 because it is a nice town in 1907 but abandoned in 1911 like I think that the towns in rdr1 Blackwater,Theives landing,Tumbleweed and Armadillo have changed to much in the 4 year gap between rdr2 and 1 but if Tumbleweed ran out of water it could have been abandoned quite quickly that's the only reasonable explanation for why it went from thriving to abandoned in just 4 years but doesn't explain the others changes though
@@corruptpixel8441 Actually if you go to theTown first time u can see the Marshall and the Leader of los lobos gang argue , he scream: "I gonna burn all the town" just like we can see on RDR1 , the enterely Town was burned
Can we all just stop and take a moment to appreciate the amazing editing in his videos….. 😮 whether or not I agree with your theory you have some crazy editing skills my man.
In Europe its now around bed time, so im watching this video before im going to sleep... The creepy music is denfinetly going to give me nightmares. Great video though!
@@missjustpeachygirl Whether it's on youtube or not: it's simple intellectual honesty. I've seen more of his videos and all of those are seriously filled with a lot of conjecture that is presented as proven fact when it very clearly isn't. For instance, in this particular one, he states that some players believe the town was infested with a "zombie plague", and this theory IS incorrect. But then he never states WHY that theory would, in fact, be incorrect. He merely then shows a completely different interpretation. I don't put much stock into that "theory" either, after all, no actual zombies are present in the RDR games other than Undead Nightmares, which is a non-canon dlc that's also largely portrayed as being some type of fever dream on the part of John. And the part about the snake being a reference to Kaa is straight up idiotic. It's too random, and has no connection to RDR whatsoever. I guess everything with snakes in it is a reference to jungle book lol. But then stating that the town WAS filled with, specifically SATANISTS, is stretching things very far, if it doesn't have evidence to back this up. I'm not saying the interpretation of the given information is a bad one, but some intellectual honesty would be in place. It's not hard.
I agree. Stating something false as fact is how misinformation spreads and people don't bother to look anything up so they just believe what is said. His info on the Ohio town, the upside cross, and Satanism is all wrong.
@@RedFloyd469 what do you mean "it doesnt have evidence to back it up" the dude litteraly explained in the whole video why his theory is that the town was filled with satanists, the church doesnt have a cross unlike every other churches in the game, and more importantly the writing "ill with sin" is a really strong evidence, why would it be there then?
damn, every time I saw a video regarding RDR2 especially one of your videos, it really makes me want to play the game again even though I've played it for how many times and even though I know the story, this game is a masterpiece. keep it up, man!
I remember as a kid watching old red dead Easter egg videos about the devil church in undead nightmare with a text based video that played the X files theme. Man those videos used to creep me out.
Good times! x) I also remember the same type of videos about myths and legends in GTA: SA, those were the days (days I couldn't always sleep at night that is) :p
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I thought “the plague” was a reference to Undead Nightmare, ya know.. and the headstones were placed there in honor of the people that had unfortunately been put down because of them having gotten bitten or something. I have no idea about the snake.
Two things seemed like a bit of a stretch with this video, the supposed resemblance of the in-game snake to the one in some dumb museum in Kentucky and the community being Satanic. The snake doesn't look one bit like the one in the museum. Also, the church not having a cross could mean a number of things. The community could've just been very different than what the locals were used to and thus killed them in a mob. But that also seems like bit of a stretch because why would the mob then kill people they saw as sinners and evil, just to respectfully bury them in a cemetery with tombstones and all? I think the snake has nothing to do with the community especially since it is pretty far from it, and it's just a reference to Kaa. Does look more like Kaa than the one in the museum. Additionally, the town is just a reference to a sickness that plagued it, and the words painted were by people who thought they deserved the sickness they suffered from because they were different.
@@odin520 It sort of makes sense, the Christian element would try to respect their souls and such for the afterlife. What they probably would not do though is, describe how they murdered them on their headstones.
I've always thought that the town's name was a tribute to actor Donald Pleasence (even though the name of the place is Pleasance) and that the dead (almost all stabbed according to the tombstones) was a reference to Halloween. As for the words on the walls and the snake, I think it is a loose end that this video came to clarify. Good video, greetings from Chile.
