Please, Shut Up About SUPERHERO FATIGUE 

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No. People are just sick of movies that aren’t good. Marvel’s content has just been substandard

Doug being so aggressive towards the Doug plushie is starting to be my new fav thing. Absolutely hilarious 😂😂

I used to work for a major animation studio for the director and producer and I can tell you without hesitation that it’s not only studio notes that cause problems but they reach out to people like Spielberg and many other directors with great resumes to watch their cuts and give their notes. Then they review all the notes and go back to tweak the film over and over and over. Protecting these projects is like a mother trying to shield her baby in an apocalypse where bombs are going off all around. And EVERYONE even remotely associated with the production is trying to get their voices heard. So until they can get the filmmakers the autonomy they need, this will not change.

Agreed, the issue isnt fatigue with Marvel, the problem is fatigue with bad writing/movies.

I still love superheroes. I love Invincible and rewatching old MCU movies. You know why? Because the writing and characters (for the most part) are actually good.

I'm not fatigued, I'm just frustrated that over the past several years, the stories aren't self contained. They are part of an arc that won't get resolved until the next film or series.

Werewolf by Night is a perfect example of subverting the superhero genre by introducing monsters, horror, style, creative directing, practicality, and no studio interference more of that would be nice

This is Screencrush’s best video. I felt very seen in this and I’m going to share it with anyone that tries to tell my that superhero fatigue is a thing. Thank you for making this ❤️

As long as there are only real life supervillains controlling everything, there will always be a need for escapism.

We are tired of the bad and generic ones, I'd love another Logan, Gaurdians vol 3 or the batman. One thing I want is for studio's to give directors more creative freedom, like you said we may get some fantastic movies out of it.

At 15:00, I really actually liked this scene in Doctor Strange after doing a rewatch this year. At first, it just seemed like his cape was messing with him for comedic effect, but then I realized that the cape was actually wiping his tears away after his heavy conversation with Christine, telling him to be strong and showcasing that the cape cares for Stephen. To me, it was a brief moment of levity, and not as cringy as I had originally perceived it. The cape chose Strange, and its proven to be very protective of him over their time together

Ryan “There has never been a live action Fantastic Four film” Me “you sit on a throne of lies!” Great video mate, you and the team did fantastic job of explaining something that I personally agree with it isn’t just superhero fatigue, It is just general mediocre movie fatigue

So here's my take...I thought secret invasion and Ms. Marvel were really boring. BUT, watching Ms. Marvel all at once was a lot better than watching one episode every week. A lot of these shows really ARE cut up movies. Either take the time to properly write and build these stories or just release it all at once and hope for the best. In the words of Patrice O'Neal: If you offer me a stale donut, I'll take it. But I want it RIGHT NOW.

"Sports fans routinely dress as their heroes and gather together to watch grown men play a child's game with balls" The wildest quote I've heard all week LMAO I'M DYING

Great video. I think the fix is simpler than it seems: 1. Hire writers & directors who actually care 2. Don’t be afraid to adapt some of the comics more closely 3. Develop your talent 4. Let directors put their own ideas into projects 5. Stop leaving so many loose threads

Agree w/ the smaller budget projects - I think this is where the special presentations can shine as an opportunity for more risky, personal stories that can just feel like a great experience first instead of feeling like a sequel to a sequel. Ryan & Screencrush team, I have some ideas on a future video you could do: "Possible pitches for a future MCU Special Presentation/One Shot Short Film": -Silver surfer origin story, Cosmic disaster vibes/Faustian deal with Galactus -Animated mystical short about the Iron Fist trial of fighting Shao-Lao The Undying -(Live Action What If) Luke Cage Noir 1930s style detective noir, in black and white. Harlem Nights meets Chinatown w/ Jack Nicholson. It won't be MCU Canon since it's a multiverse story I'm sure you'll come up with better ideas for a future video

Very conflicted about this. I tend to enjoy a superhero film/show when I dip into it, but the thought of starting on one is REALLY tiring. The fatigue is real since despite a Disney+ connection, I really could not be bothered to keep up after Wandavision and She Hulk (which I dipped into at random and thought was a lot more fun than it got credit for). I thought Wandavision genuinely expanded the scope of storytelling in the genre but the inescapable problem is despite the emotional heft of the story, it will ALWAYS end with godlike creatures beating each other up. There was a time when the conflicts and action sequences were the high point of a film for me, but unless there's an entirely new visual vocabulary to the fights - like in the Spiderverse films - I'm now actively bored by visuals that would have made my jaw hit the floor back in the late 90s or through the 2000s. The closest analogy I can think of is eating four cheese pizzas - you may love them deeply, but as you get older, to keep that love going, the intervals between each time you have one needs to get longer and longer. But at least over the last couple of years, it feels like at least one big streaming platform has been replacing all the other food with four cheese pizzas, and the only alternative is the eight or 12 cheese pizzas of franchises I'm fundamentally uninterested in like Star Wars or ones that seem to have gone off the rails completely like The Simpsons. It gets harder and harder to find something that isn't these things without going back to really old shows. Over the last couple of years, some of the most fun I had was watching Dexter (which, despite its vastly variable quality between seasons, had an exhilarating unpredictably to it) and The Sopranos. Also sometimes its just a relief to watch something that is not being discussed threadbare at the time you are watching it. Fantastic video though, and a great companion piece to the one on Disney.

oh, trust me; they're not sick of superhero films; they're just sick of bad films

That Stephano joke was so on point. I used to watch that show at work. Came back a few years later and had no idea what was happening. So there you go.

Love that yall consistently put respect on Blue Beetle that movie was so underrated

Best comic video I gave watched in a long time. Well reasoned and researched

Totally agree. I don’t have fatigue. Just tired of the suits ruining what could be really good movies.

I'm loving these dives into the "industry" it really helps me to understand the how and why these movies and shows I love just don't have the same impact. However, you also remind me just how lucky we are to be in an era where The Punisher and Daredevil are on TV Rated R! Or how Moon Knight with it's Egyptian God's fighting even got made. It surely is The Revenge Of The Nerds!

Thank you ryan so much for stating this point i miss basic superhero plots ,and for giving more people this perspective👏🏽👏🏽.

Is it possible to get fatigued from people explaining why I am supposed to be fatigued?

Superheroes are iconic and beloved by everyone so superhero fatigue won’t be a thing. It’s a thing when movies and tv shows took a dump on all of the heroes and villains even the characters to promote their product for their greed and pride.

For me, it was the introduction of time travel and the multiverse. Not only do I find them confusing at times, they rewrite the rules on consequences. It's hard to care about life and death decisions when I know they can just press an undo button. The other thing is the brief cameo introductions of too many characters that we know almost nothing about, like you mentioned. They're not enough to excite us as characters and only serve to dilute the main story. Ironheart is a perfect example. Give us more short "Werewolf By Night" shows as backstories so we can be at least somewhat invested when they hit the screen. They don't always have to be either 10 minutes of screen time or 6-8 hour miniseries.

Absolutely amazing video man,’love the depth and love in this one

I don't know if you've talked about it yet... but another problem that I'm noticing is the younger folks are less interested in movies and tv and more interested in short attention span streaming on their hand held devices.

I love that you mentioned the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is the oldest piece of literature that we've ever found... and it's a superhero story. Superheroes are literally the grandfather of narrative

Thx for giving a shout out/recommendation for Blue Beetle!😀 My new favorite superhero movie…I just hope it gets a sequel 🤞 Keep up the awesome work on your videos!

Big fan of these analysis videos! Keep up the good work!

100% agree with everything you've said in this video. Superhero films need a "Neo-Western" genre, because they're great. Also, why hasn't Kevin Smith been tapped to do any projects for Marvel? He literally got the ball rolling on the Stan Lee cameo trope.

All excellent points, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who is enjoying what we have now because we know what it was like before.

I don’t need to say anything about superhero fatigue, the numbers speak for themself. There will always be a small core audience for the genre but the wider fad is over.

Great video . Thanks for taking the time to explain it !

Perfectly said and explained. Excellent work.

Brilliant 👏🏾 An excellent deconstruction, and detailed narrative that examined and explored every genre of cinema that focuses on cultural archetypes. Kudos!

Exactly what you said. It has been tough to convince people though that it is the executives at Disney setting these crazy deadlines and messing with the final result. If anyone doesn’t think Disney keeps a tight hold of the content they put out, they should listen to Alex Hirsch talk about the changes they would make to the gravity falls scripts… insane

This video essay was *mwah* chef's kiss. You said exactly what my best friend and I were just talking about with Marvel movies. I love Marvel movies, I've been to multiple comic-cons(and dress up lol), and have a good amount of merchandise. I'm not tired of Marvel but I'm tired of mid Marvel. I know they can do better and I want something to be excited about again. Also, your call out of Bill Maher and Scorsese were great! 😂

It's not fatigue, it's just the first MCU felt very new and fresh, with a long time between two projects. Now there are loads of movies and series every year, and you must see everything to get the whole story. And also us fans watch videos to know which movies and series will come out in the next years so it really kills the surprise effect :)

I think the “super hero fatigue” comments started at the same time that the stakes were time traveled away. Then they doubled down with infinite universes, realms, and timelines. There are no more stakes and the stories are suffering.

Thanks you so much. This was very, very well said. I don't always have the same take as you on movies and theories, but I always appreciated you.

You are very correct when you say there is "mid-fatigue", not super-hero fatigue. Audiences will never tire from excellent, compelling stories.

Moon Knight was fantastic. The characters were fleshed out and Oscar Isaac's performance (and Ethan Hawk's) was great.

The quality of Andor is the direction I want comic and sci-fi content to go.

Actually, this is a great take on the matter, i’m really tired of the bad wiritting, the bad characters, the boring strong female lead, and the bad use of old characters

What an awesome video definitely your best in a while!

I’m not sick of superhero movies and shows. I can’t wait for the next one and I’m bummed that I have to wait. Same goes with Star Wars.

We just have higher standards. After Endgame, She-Hulk doesn’t feel so great.

This might be one of your best videos ever. Well done!!

I love these more editorial essays & how you always imagine solutions instead of only noting the issues.

Personally, with watching everything on streaming, or premium RU-vid, I'm never aware of new movies coming out, without someone like this channel mentioning/doing the trailer. Wish, Blue Beetle, etc....I had no idea these movies were even coming out until they were already in theatres. On top of those, having things like Black Widow available to purchase during COVID on D+ while it was in theatres, and the later super short (usually around 60-80 days) amount of time we have to wait for things to go from the theatre to streaming, it just doesn't seem worth it to go to the theatre anymore. Especially having not many nerdy friends/sig. other to go to the movies with, it just makes more sense for me to personally wait for movies to be available on streaming. I don't necessarily think superhero movies are DYING, but I DO think there's alot of people like me, who aren't fatigued, but also aren't going to the theatres. But it doesn't mean that (probably first week of release) that we're not watching those same movies once they're on streaming. I think if the streaming numbers later on were taken into consideration, numbers may seem higher. Also, I know it was controversial, but I really do think things like D+ should bring back the ability to rent a movie that's in theatres, on streaming, for a price. Those numbers + the theatres numbers might not be as much as pre-COVID, but I do think they would see a boost in revenue doing this

We are not tired of marvel we are not tired of Star wars we are tired of bad movies

Those in-house ads are hilarious. I usually fast forward but these bits with Doug n the puppet are awesome 😂

Superb. Bravo! Loved this video, so smart, so fleet of foot.

Your best point is this; the hero has been a staple character of almost all stories in all civilizations for all of recorded history. It is our human nature to dream of heroes, magic, and epic plots and stakes. It will not go away., though it may change in volume or tone.

There’s only mid fatigue we need better writers and people who actually care about the products they produce!

What a great season finale , thanks you both Colton and Ryan for covering this new what if season 2, it was great

This is an amazing exploration of an overarching conversation that there is no easy answer for great job Ryan !!! Go Browns!!!

After hearing Nando's young avengers pitch, I am not they need someone that thinks like him..or just him lol. I think the writers may just be fatigued 😂

You're the best Ryan! Thanks for this. Would love to see the behind the scenes from the creation of this video. I can't stand the idea that "superhero movies" were just "theme parks". I dont enjoy theme parks. They are pure emotion without substance for me. The infinity saga is full of substance... You can see the story of two friends with different upbringings and personalities learn from each other and then split apart because now they have opposing ideas. And those ideas came from each other, and from the experiences they had together. I will never forget Rogers telling Tony he was not the man to make the sacrifice play. And Tony telling him back that everything special about him came out of a bottle just to both be proven wrong in the end. i absolutely LOVE the phrase from Dr. Strange that was slowly set up from the beggining of the movie, you can see the threads uniting just to become one in the quote. "I love you in every universe". That was beautiful. The guardians is about loss, friendship and found family, unity made with broken people. The realisation that Drax was born to be a father was heartwarming. I used to not like the new spiderman he was too much of a child to me. But i saw him grow up, pay respect to those before him, and end up facing the consequences of his actions. I remember Strange telling him he couldn't help him, and when Peter starts to leave you can see the face of Stephen change just a llittle bit to show compassion for him. So when the end of the movie comes and you hear him say "But everyone who knows and loves you, we'd... We'd all forget who you are." I can still hear and feel the scene from the first Dr Strange movie. "It's not about you". And I know it's not wholesome, it's harsh, but I like that moment between him and Dr. Palmer when she says "There are other things that can give your life meaning" and he responds with "Like what? You?" Great character moment. Great scene. Great script So i really wonder. Those who say these movies are just theme parks, those who say that superheroes are just adult teenagers. Those who say all these movies have no substance. I really really wonder what movies are they watching. If they are going to the cinema with a blindfold or are just looking at their cellphone the whole 2hours. Because if you pay attention you can see the message from the artist behind all the marketing and the money and the explosions that i know its there, but i personally dont care about that. So thank you Ryan for speaking about this. Hope good movies and good art analysis comes back. PD: I want my Shang Chi sequel. I need to see more of that fight choreography and music.

This video was exceptionally well edited, perfect with the memes. For some reason the matrix genre meme got me hard. Also totally agree on Blue Beetle being a good movie, I thought it was great. It really felt like a proper cape comic movie from the 90's in a lot of ways, but modern so best of both worlds.

Wow, excellent, REALLY EXCELLENT ANALYSIS! You have a new follower! :)

The suits have always been a problem. In a documentary about HBO, one of the series creatives said how once in another network a executive showed him the term "entertainment spaces"(or something like that). When the creative asked what was that, the executive replied "What goes between commercials" So, for the executive, their business was put commercials on TVs.

We're not tired of superhero films, We're tired of terrible writing. We shouldn't see something like She-Hulk ever again.

Thank you for yet another great take!

I keep saying the problem is that they're focusing on Quantity over Quality. I love watching good superhero media, often times I'll go back and rewatch episodes of Daredevil or Jessica Jones, because they were well written shows.

I think people know if they wait 3 months they can see the movies of thier choice on the platform they' like and at a convenient price , from the comfort of home where you can eat and drink or even wear what you want . Going outside takes work, so it's Laziness not fatigue, people are lazy and want convenience at thier own leisure. Also it's not just superhero movies , apparently it's all movies , so my theory has some weight to it ,

We aren't tired of superhero movies. We are tired of weak agendas being in movies masquerading as superhero movies.

This was a fantastic video. Thanks Screencrush team! 🙏🏻

God damnit man, your delivery on some of your jokes is just So Fucking Good. I fall for it everytime. "No idea. I quit watching..." Just gold plated gold man.

It's not fatigue, and it's not "wokeness" as I'm sure some guys will claim. The movies are awesome! It's just that it costs an arm and a leg to go to the theater and have some snacks, anymore. On a lesser note, I like to think that people are also fed up that theater owners (smaller ones in particular) don't get as much of a cut of ticket sales anymore.

Incredible video, Ryan, thank you! I feel like a lot of Marvel's past few years have been movies taking bigger swings with interesting ideas, trying to change up some of the usual formulas, but with mixed results. Dr Strange 2 was a horror movie, Wandavision was a slow-burn mystery/horror, Thor 4 was a romcom, The Celestials was a space epic. None of these were things they tried in the first saga of the MCU. Did they all work all the time? No, not really. Nothing was perfect, a lot of things kinda ended up back in "super hero movie" territory. But personally, I enjoyed the attempts. I can forgive a misstep when it's from trying something wild and different. I've had a ton of fun with most of the recent marvel productions, even when they're a little goofy. It almost seems to me that this is what Marvel maybe shouldn't have done? I wonder why it is that I'm still enjoying most of these things, but a lot of people are falling off. Am I just easy to please? Or am I just too much of a sucker for Sam Raimi? Should Marvel have just kept making movies like Iron Man 1 and never stopped?

The same story that destroys every industry and business: executives with too much power think they know better, make too many of the decisions and squeeze both the work force and the consumer base. Marvel built itself by making quality movies with interesting characters and fun stories but lately if feels like Marvel is living off of brand loyalty rather than quality.

17:59 After watching Oppenheimer 3 times I came across an article detailing how the movie going experience is an art form and should be experienced as such not just for content. They put to words much more elegantly than I can that I share that same sentiment and is the reason I saw Oppenheimer 3 times. The soundtrack to Oppenheimer is sublime, seeing it in 70mm film, the first case of black and white IMAX film, the performances of Emily Blunt and RDJ elevate the story beyond the creation of the atomic age and the father of the atomic bomb. I do not go to the theater to see something that I can otherwise watch on RU-vid or tv.

Even when there is a lull in marvel/Star Wars content from Disney, you guys consistently put out quality content on the franchises. Great vid!

I’m still excited by the idea of these story’s playing out but they just don’t ever live up to what I expect I’m actually really looking forward to what’s supposed to come but if it’s anywhere near the quality of what’s been released recently then I will be disappointed

Excellent synopsis sir thank you!

love the compare /contrast video essay,,,, rad

it can't be possible to loose this channel because of superhero fatigue. No way I could live without. You make such a great job guys

This is the best commentary video you've published since the one you did about The Last of Us. Thank you for what you do, how you feel, and how you express it all in such an engaging and relatable way. Oh, and thank Doug. Forever. He's the best good boy.

😂 I perked up when you said Stefano became good guy. Because I quit when he died last time and visiting my mother found out he was alive again 😅

Damn, this is your best commentary video to date! Well done!

I think people are fatigued by leaks and being constantly barraged for 2-3 years about a movie, that then can’t provide them with a novel experience, because they have already seen and heard every detail of it a thousand times

Well crafted message sir👏👏👏

The comment about Marvel needing less money reminds me of this Coppola quote about filming Apocalypse Now. "There were too many of us. We had access to to to much money. Too much equipment. And little by little we went insane." Also, theres an incredible video by Patrick H Willems called "Who Killed Cinema," and it's absolutely worth a watch.

Excellent video, Ryan.

Amazing video, lets wait for better days for comic book movies, starting with Deadpool 3, and Kraven hopefully

I’m not in a superhero fatigue, but I think Marvel’s problem is that they are pushing way too many projects not allowing them focus on the characters.

very good analysis! it would've been much easier & disingenuous to just say what 90% of youtube videos out there claim about the MCU but ya did the extra work & it shows, thanks man.

I love marvel, since I watched Iron Man on 2008 I´ve never missed a movie or show on release weekend. But you were spot on when you said that lately we get all these teases that never give a payoff, right now the MCU feels disconnected and that needs to be fixed. I actually think the marvels was a step on that direction

There is fatigue and there also are people who are just tired of 50 characters being introduced and nothing coming of it.

My teenager children who loved watching the early 2000's Avengers animated TV show and Xmen animated, no longer care much for the movies. So yes, superhero fatigue. I grew up reading comic books in my teens and 20s, so I still love it, provided the stories are good and original and the cast and characters are popular with fans.

“… about a troubled white man” THE SCREAM I SCRUMPT 🤣🤣 but seriously.. there are decades of stories to adapt from writing that is still on going. Superheroes are not going anywhere

It’s all about the story and staying true to what makes a story epic. A lot of money doesn’t know epic; it just knows epic purchases

Or maybe the reason the box office numbers are down is because we know we can wait a few months to watch marvel on Disney or DC on HBO max. It’s not that complicated; they give us an alternative option to watch (which has more content) then complain we don’t go to the theater to watch 1 movie for the same fee as the whole month

Spot on dude. Great video.

It's not just one thing, but many reasons. Lack of stand alone stories, quality issues etc. Also, people going out the cinema in general has gone down. Myself, and others I know have had too many experiences of trying to go see a film, and kids with tablets at full volume during the movie, or just running around loudly, has become more and more common, especially after the pandemic. If you have a great TV and sound system at home, just wait a few months.