Julie, thank you for shining light on this darkness of how abuse victims are shamed and gaslighted into thinking they caused their abuse! Such wickedness! 😡😡
John MacArthur and his nepotistic troupe are wicked and will stand before God. AND...You can no longer leave messages at GCC....This is because, several years ago, when Roys reported on MacArthur's high prosperity(3 homes , worth millions) , GCC was inundated w phone calls demanding answers from MacArthur. What a wicked man he is!!
4 years out of my abusive marriage, healing with Gods help ♥️ I'm _so_ grateful for you, Julie, and our amazing and awesome God who's given you the courage to speak up for the abused and how The Word of God has been twisted to put loving, Christian women under the thumb of their tyrant husbands. The more that comes out...it's utterly heartbreaking...but _needed._ I pray more women come forward and share their stories ♥️🙏🏻
As a former prosecutor I am stunned by the teaching at Grace Church. The law protects women and children from the sexual and physical abuse identified in the clips. I have prosecuted appalling abuse cases. There is no excuse for such teaching.
How can someone who claims to be a Christian be so backwards? There seems to be no Christ at all in him. Like you said, no love or compassion at all. Marriage is the golden calf. It's all about controlling women. Always. Thanks for all you do, Julie. God bless.
We can claim to be whatever we choose to be. I can claim to be a pastor, professor, or professional athlete without any proof. Just claiming to be a Christian is easy, producing the fruit is Christ like. This man has a very low opinion of women. The Bible says that men are to love their wives, and if this is love that he's describing I'm glad I don't love my wife in that manner.
That's a stretch to say marriage is a golden calf and is about controlling women.Marriage is something that God Himself instituted and blessed. This is important, because it tells us that marriage is a good thing. “Husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. . . . Let each one of you . . . so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband” (Ephesians 5:28, 33). Without mutual love and respect on the part of husbands and wives, a marriage cannot last.
The Mike Bickle exposure has opened up this conversation that is needed! People need to know what is going on in the church and the teachings that are harmful to people! Thank you….this was enlightening!
I have dear friends active at Masters & Grace community who believed my daughter was supposed to go back to her abusive husband. Thank you for sharing this because at the time it didn’t make sense that they would feel that way. She was traumatized in her marriage & struggled for years with anxiety & certain things still trigger her. Now I understand. I appreciate you tackling tough subjects. God bless you & the work you are doing for God!♥️🙏
I want to add she was abandoned by her whole community of friends & the church she had grown up & served in. She has left fellowship😔💔Friends came back later & apologized but the damage was done. & this all happened after her dad abandoned her as well when he divorced me to go live with his pregnant mistress.
@@Star-dj1kw yes she is. Thank you! I realized that after she came home & shared how she was treated by her husband as well. Physical, emotional, mental & spiritual abuse. She is safe but isn’t in fellowship with believers anymore. It’s heartbreaking. She was so passionate about Jesus… I keep praying for that fire to come back even stronger..
And the worst part is that if the wife/mother doesn't go to the police first before she tells the "elders", she may NEVER get herself & her child away from an abusive husband.
And Jesus healed on the Sabbath, supposedly contrary to Scripture. But Jesus knew the Spirit of the Law, not just the letter. He knew the law of Love before Paul preached it. These men would all call the police or an ambulance if a church member or unbeliever attacked them with a baseball bat. They wouldn't wait for God to heal them or go to a church member first for healing. Oh, that's right, they're cessationists and Macarthur despises those who speaks in tongues.
@@lizh1988Jesus was not violating the law of God when He healed on the Sabbath. He was acting against the Pharisaical interpretation of the law and against their particular rules. The Pharisees were heretics who added to God's law, they believed in the heretical idea of the oral Torah.
@@lizh1988Why would someone wait for God to heal them or go to a church member to heal them if they were beaten up with a baseball bat? Even though God could heal you, that doesn't mean that he will. Also, nobody alive today has the ability to heal in the same way as the Apostles. In regards to speaking in tongues, they were not speaking gibberish like you see in charismatic churches today. Instead, they spoke other languages that were previously unknown to them in order to spread the gospel to others.
@@vladtheinhaler8940 She went to the church first and they did not know to do even what the police did, which was separate a violent pedophile from his vulnerable family. They did not have the morals, though they should have by this time. They were not a newborn church. They did not read the situation well, or consider the scriptural view. This wifebeating childraper posing as a good church man was the problem, they kept the wolf in the church and excommunicated the sheep. I think you are maybe not inhaling what you should be, sir. Even the Pharisees and Romans would not have crucified the Lord of creation if they had known who he was. And the Pharisees would have known it had they studied Scripture unselfishly.
@@johntobey1558 yes, there are so many godly men out there who humbly live for Christ and are such a blessing (my husband, father, and many more) to all they know - so sad these kind are in power so often
Folk who are 'comfortable' in these churches don't understand that the restrictions and legalistic regimes towards women is against the Gospel message. The good news is that Jesus came to free all, to make a new creation: to make us 'sons' of God: we're now a kingdom of priests, not male nor female, not Gentiles nor Jews. No restrictions. Shameful behaviour from JM.
I wonder if Street would endure physical abuse? They lay heavy burdens that they wouldn’t attempt to lift with their little finger. He doesn’t know God’s heart on the sanctity of marriage.
Paul the Apostle hid from an angry group intent on killing him and was lowered down through a window in a basket to escape harm to his body. I wonder why that wasn't mentioned? Acts 9:25.
Great point 💡! Also when Jesus was rejected at Nazareth was at least one time that he slipped through a crowd of people determined to hurt him- Luke 4:28 All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
A 4 year old! That's insane. Adults look back and reconstruct their past memories through the eyes of trauma and life circumstances. A child doesn't have the mentality for sexual sin. These so-called Christian leaders are men with religion but void of the Spirit.
Thank you for doing this. I am just now learning about this scandal and as a result, I listened to 3 hours of Dr. Street's lectures on "biblical" counseling of abuse victims. Like you, I was appalled. Actually, shocked and sick to my stomach. Resignations?? Absolutely! This man should never council anyone! Furthermore, we should be seeing leaders in the Christian community calling this out and condemning these twisted ideas. Where are they? How can this garbage be on RU-vid for 10 years and no one call it out?? I am dumbfounded.
Their view of marriage is sounding a lot more like the Islamic view of marriage, a woman and the children are property and abuse is overlooked as this is their duty to deal with. They (Dr street and the people who agree with this teaching) dont so much idolize marriage as much as they love to have absolute control and ownership of their women.
And also like Jehovah's witnesses: They have the exact same doctrine on how to deal with abuse on women and children (pedophilia). The similarities between Calvinism, JWs, Islam should make people think: same spirit behind these seemingly different cults...
Taliban Jokes: Joke 1 Scene Setting: Taliban Marriage Guidance Office. Husband, with burkha'd wife present with head lowered submissively silently sitting beside him, says to male Counseller. "I've tried everything to make it work, do you have any suggestions on how I can make our marriage better?" Counseller (pauses and then speaks) "Have you tried throwing rocks at her? ---- Joke 2 Scene Setting: Taliban eight year old daughter rushes home from female only prayer meeting and excitedly says to Taliban father.... "I've heard that I can go to school and learn, even though I am only a female. Our first class sounds very exciting. It's apparently a class teaching us why girls shouldn't be educated. If I pass an exam on that subject, I move up a grade to learn why women can't be educated either."
This video clip is a perfect example of why people are walking away from the faith. Speakers using the word out of context is damaging others who do not know the word.
It really saddens me when people hear “God ordains her suffering” and that women should indefinitely endure abuse and for some to believe it’s true and leave the faith. People are safe with Christ. I can no longer trust pastoral counseling. I recommend Christ centered counseling of loving our neighbor as ourselves and judging a tree by its fruit. Even Christ says “if they persecute you in one city, flee to another”.
I wonder why they don't also tell the victims to submit all the way until they die of abuse? I mean they're telling them that they need to suffer like Christ....Christ died for us....so if they really believe that one should suffer under an abusive husband like Christ, then why don't they teach to submit themselves even unto death? We all know the answer to that... "They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them." Matt. 23:4
Even Jesus only suffered for three days, though it was severe. He only asked his apostles to suffer and die to bring unbelievers to Him and to prove the glory of God.
Notice how Dr Street came across as sympathetic toward the abused husband example, but came across as unsympathetic toward the abused wife situation. Double standards at its worse. So what have Christian women learned from watching Dr Street - and men for that matter? Here goes.... 1. When you, as a woman, marry a Christian or unbelieving man, you are accepting that they deserve a scapegoat who they can dump on. 2. As a married woman your role is to put up and shut up, not complain. No husband, even an abusive one, deserves an unsubmissive wife or even one that complains. Nagging from you is a lot worse than being beaten black and blue and possibly hospitalised from him. Remember that! 3. Your husband deserves a perfect wife who is dutiful at all times in bed and out, even if he reneges on his responsibilities totally. After all, if he has - he's not a douchbag, layabout or bad husband at all, he just made a poor choice of wife and its your fault 100%. So its up to you to make him into a good husband. 4. If your husband does renege on his responsibilities you should be quiet, still and uncomplaining to win him over - even if this has been going on 30 years and you're emotionally dead inside trying to kill the pain of having your soul ripped out by this man. I'm sure he will change in the 31st year.....or maybe the 32nd.....or perhaps... 5. If you leave, you are being a bad wife, even if your husband knocked ten bells out of you last night - and in front of the children - and you are dizzy from concussion with bruises all over your body. 6. Children learn to be good Christians hearing their father verbally and emotionally and physically abusing their mother. Ater all, how else are they going to be good parents themselves - watching their parents respect and love each other and enjoying each other's company and showing patience, understanding and empathy and dealing with disagreements responsibily and maturally? Are you kidding me? Don't be silly now. That would be emotionally damaging wouldn't it. er.... 7. On his birthday, don't forget to treat him to his favourite film: The Stepford Wives. That way you can both enjoying watching the men and the robot women acting out the perfect Christian couple. Meanwhile, Todd Friel and other Calvanist pastors will uphold this idea that women and men in marriage are of equal value even if they have different roles. Could someone please tell me what it takes for the woman to be seen as lesser value then? When she is dead, perhaps? This whacko counsellor is a sadistic psycho and so are all of those other nutters at GCC who support this utter cobblers. By condoning spousal abuse and blaming wives for their husbands sexually abusing their children due to lack of sex, he is showing a total lack of empathy, and is inciting criminal behaviour. Both of these are characteristics of psychopathy. He deserves to be carted off in a straight jacket and slammed in a ward and looked after by Nurse Ratchet. The only use he has for the Bible is to pick it up and whack his wife over the head with it, which he probably does every day. I don't think I've been so angry watching a You Tube video. Not only is this whacko dishonouring to God and all of his creation made in his image- all of humankind who he created to multiply and to advance their own cultures and societies - without losing site of what is Godly (which is what they did and do, of course, as we / they all fall short of perfection - this mysogynistic approach to life in a bubble (to be away from the world entirely) seems to stem from all of this toxic Total Depravity nonsense that Calvinists go in for. Why original sin isn't good enough to describe those in Adam, I'll never know. Being dead in your sins doesn't mean you can't make rational decisions and hear the gospel, but they seem to think differently. But one thing I do know is that inheriting original sin is only meant to explain why people resist hearing the Gospel and giving their life to the Lord and why they can never be perfect without the sanctifying hand of God. But with these hard line Calvinists it means more: justification to deny any usefulness and value in human advancements from the pit of Adam. With that goes the usefulness of any therapeutic methods that sit within the secular realm too, just because secular counsellors don't consult the Bible for solutions. I suppose they see them as....er...depraved. Yep, that's it. They see it all as depraved - totally. Plus they see the human physical body - hers, especially (but not his nearly so much) as part of that sinful carcas that has yet to be washed of sin (Rom.7) But there is a problem there. Do they look in the Bible to find answers to how to fix the car, how to mend the washing machine, how to buy groceries too? No. If not, why should anyone not look outside the church and to seek help from licensed professional marriage counsellers too? I fail to see the difference between seeing a marriage mechanic and a car mechanic. They fail to see the logical inconsistencies in their approaches to understanding society and what it can offer. The saddest thing about this video is GCC's refusal to recognise, let alone acknowledge the sheer double standards to which they advise couples goinig through marital difficulties. Meanwhile, many people are put off coming to The Lord, or if they do won't attend Church. With people like this, on board, that is hardly surprising but it is very sad.
You are Spot on. I believe God is allowing the rotten fruit of wildly different false teachings/teachers to be exposed for the damage it causes to ‘least of these’ and to Honor of His Name.
They go to hospitals to consult physicians to receive proper medical care when they are sick; and they buy drugs that are manufactured by people they do not know. Why don't they get cured in their Churches? why do they even go to hospital when they are sick, why don't they let their totally depraved body die of diseases? Since the objective is the soul, not the body...
@@Star-dj1kw 💥 nailed it. I hope this issue (double standards with regard to treatment of women in faith communities) does not go away. But actually gains steam. I pray and trust that God is exposing and cleaning up His church.
Julie the answer is No, never!!! Husband needs to repent after he is removed and deals with the investigatory consequences spiritual and legal...of course presuming "is it true".
Christ does not in any way condone abuse in marriage. Colossians 3:13-21. I was beaten by my husband and one day left him to save my life. Christ picked up from there. He won't tell us to leave, but He wants us to use our head and heart and get out of situations that destroy us that have no hope of change. No regrets. Christ saved me.
Of course not! She should immediately leave the house, stay with her mother/sister, report him to the police, and hire a lawyer to force him out of the house.
Don’t endure abuse and call the police first. Skip the church. You can tell them after the police have thrown him in jail. The same applies for sexual abuse.
Julie, I don't know if you realize that your reports are going to open the door for so many people from GCC that will reach out to you and tell you their personal story. You have just presented the core of their beliefs in regards to this topic. So be prepared to hear from people whose eyes will be open and who will no longer drink their kool-aid. It's funny how the only defense I hear Are attacks against the person, (You) But nothing against the arguments and evidence presented. Keep it up!
An interesting theological note here: As Calvinists, they believe it is God who ultimately chooses someone to be saved. Salvation is 100% God’s doing lest any man should boost. So the million dollar question for a spouse in an abusive marriage is, “What if my husband (or wife) is not part of the Elect?” Under Calvinism, there is no such thing as “winning someone to righteousness” because if God didn’t choose that person, it’s a done deal. There is nothing the spouse can do to persuade them to the faith. So they are essentially telling abused spouses to endure severe abuse for a lifetime.
Precisely. They can't circle that square...they shout, "SQUIRREL!!!" And divert everyone's attention. Or they call us names... Either way, they speak out of both sides of their mouths. One minute they say we can't come to Jesus unless he determines it and calls us and the next minute they tell an abused wife to stay in the home to lead her unsaved husband to Christ. Which one is it, Lordship Salvation or not?
What you just said is really important and serious and I hope that some Calvinists will read your comment and ponder over it. I personally believe that Calvinism is satanic. These men are pure evil. I m not even convinced that they believe in the true God of the Bible. They are so evil. Not only with women, but in general.
They believe in what they call Compatibilism. They get around that argument by stating that God is in control of all we do, and our salvation too but we also have a choice to reject God and to pay with his wrath and be condemned. How do you square that circle? How can God pre-determine what will be and be in control but we are free to choose as well. It seems to make no sense. Answer you don't. Compatibilism is just a word that describes what is to most people a logical inconsistency. In reality, compatibilism either can't happen at all, or it means something else entirely. I think the answer lies in why Calvinist pastors preach at all - after all, they know their own theology well enough, we assume. They clearly expect audiences to respond to what they say - even though they speak to 'the elect' who don't need prompting or convicting from them, or they speak to the non-elect who would not benefit from hearing anything they do have to say of The Lord. In either instance they seem totally redundant. So what can all this mean. I haven't read The Institutes...but it seems to me that the obstacle in this logical inconsistency is 'the corridor of time.' Take that out of the equation and you have a Cosmic God who came to earth as Jesus, who is also God and who rose as the Holy Spirit - as God within us - in those believers he leaves behind. To reconcile the trinity, in relation to this question, that can only mean (at least to me) that God is omnipresent. That means that when he chose the elect before we were born, he could foresee who would choose to come to him when we were alive on earth, and who would not but that they would not know themselves if they were saved until they heard the word and were convicted of their sin. Some would follow him, some would choose not to follow him. Those who did are God's elect, those who didn't are the rejected ones. It is just Calvinists way of reconciling God as sovereign but acknowledging that with us mortals, trapped within the confines of a time corridor (a history, present and future, which doesn't affect God at all), we choose when we come to the Lord, if we come at all. So it is our choice, in essence, but still not out of God's control who knew what we would do anyway. Does that make sense? It is best not to understand 'the elect' in the same way as we would understand it in secular society. Pre-determination, to us, means before, not now or in the future. To God it just means that what is now, was before and is in future. It is all the same thing - to God. There is no past, present and future - except for that short time that Jesus roamed the earth when he came to us as human-flesh and God together and experienced our suffering with us before suffering himself on the cross. Once you remove the corridors of time out of the equation to explain compatibilism, it also makes sense for Calvinist pastors to preach. Bingo - now compatibilism is what to us reconciles our choice to know The Lord with God's pre-determined plan for our lives.
Just going to say, he is wrong, and the only flowers that wife/mother is going to see will be on her casket!!! The choice of a missionary is just that, it is their choice. It is never a choice of the woman/children to be abused by their husband/father.
As Julie says, there is absolutely no love or compassion for these abused women. He is not in any way an expert on marriage counseling. He should read the end of Malachi about the treachery committed against wives by husbands:God does not answer the prayers of a treacherous husband. Street does not mention this. He also does not mention that husbands are to love their wives. He is not interested in justice at all. WHAT A WICKED MAN THIS STREET IS....!"ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SIN IS NOT A GOOD THING" says the psychologist. And Roys adds that it is very unhealthy to take abuse and to give abuse. "There have been problems with accreditation...nepotism..."Gee, I wonder why....?
My sense is that the reason these guys perpetuate this mindset is because either a) they've been guilty of abuse themselves or b) they are covering for the many men they know who are. The fact that this teaching is even getting away with claiming to have anything to do with Jesus is hideous. It's also interesting that he goes on and on with the missionary comparison, completely skipping over the fact that, if anyone is to suffer for the other, it would be the man since men are clearly instructed in Ephesians 5 to lay down their lives for the wife as Christ laid down his. Keep shining the light on this stuff. 🧐🔦This needs to stop. 🛑
@@vladtheinhaler8940Wives are never told to sacrifice for the husband and basically take the bullet. Besides, missionaries are persecuted and killed for the Gospel and for Jesus, not because of spousal abuse.
I’ve always considered it the ultimate irony that MacArthur’s broadcasts are titled “Grace to You”, given the legalistic interpretive bent of his cult, er….church.
Also with regard to the “body”. Our body’s 1 Corinthians 6:20 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; ou were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. So these men and these “pastors” “elders and counsellor” telling a woman to stay are in fact: 1. The man is abusing the temple of God that houses the Holy Spirit at the hands of someone who by all rights, I doubt is saved. Cause he would never lay a hand on his wife who has the Holy spirit within 2. This “men of God” are also allowing Gods housing of the Holy Spirit to stay and be abused. And tell them it’s okay. When God would never say. This is okay. Seems the world shows abuse victims more justice then these “churches” do.
Graphic images in a womans shelter??? What a joker. As a young boy, I endured domestic violence by a drunk, angry man. I used to pee my pants every day on the bus ride home. I was a chronic bed wetter. When I stayed at the woman's shelter with my mom and siblings, my bed wetting stopped. I could hold my bladder on the bus to school.
I've been to GCC many times, over 200. I attended for about a year and a half. There is no other way to put it, but the worship of John MacArthur is very evident. I started listening to him in 1979, but a little cautious about his teaching around 1995ish. Now I "KNOW" he is untouchable and unaccountable, and has been for decades. I can't listen to even a good, sound sermon he gives. He's a very bad man in my opinion. It's such a shame.
It is pretty funny that both sides, Egalitarians and Complementarians use the term biblical. Namely, Biblical Equality and Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.
Mike Tyson once said, “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”. Similarly, this kind of “theology” sounds good until it is one’s daughter or loved one being abused and victimized (Matthew 7:12).
I'll bet some of them would advise their wives and daughters to get punched in the mouth and call it God's will. I grew up in a church that believed in suffering for God, in the home, no reason needed. They made excuses for men.
@@lizh1988 Wow, :( Generally speaking then, churches are way sicker than I had hoped for... if people can allow this stuff to happen to their own loved ones (Matthew 23:23, 25:35-40). Lord Jesus, please clean up your church.
IMO a precious wife/Mom cannot possibly live a whole and healthy life under continual abuse! God forbid that any organization dictate such UNgodly counsel…
Minute 38 "as long as it doesn't contradict...a command of Scripture." You know what I hate? People bypassing and ignoring Scripture!! "Husbands love your wives" --- WHY isn't this held as the standard and men held to that mark. If you steal, kill, destroy...of your actions are opposite than love it is *hatred*, and hatred is death. Clear logical minds see the legal offenses these men commit AND the scriptural offenses because God names their actions. But certain circles cloak their sins and bypass their abusive actions because they don't want someone to take that power away from them. God named every form of oppression and every dynamic of oppression if these "Bible scholars" would simply LOOK; and God HATES alllllll of it.
This individual, at this Seminary Should not be teaching Biblical Counseling. Professional counseling involves ethics that prevent this type of didactic abuse in Counselor education.
I wish people would stop equating biblical passages about settling disputes out of court with "secular authorities." Roman magistrates, were not secular, they were pagan; corruption was common, and as shown in multiple places in the Bible (ex. Jesus before Pilate, Paul and Silas in Philippi), they were not above doling out punishments to non-citizens who hadn't been tried or found guilty of wrongdoing if they thought it would help keep the peace. The context to which Jesus was speaking was more akin to that of Blacks in the Jim Crow South: There was no point in getting the civil authorities involved in disputes because if they didn't just ignore you, you wouldn't get justice, because your life and well-being was low on their list of priorities.
This doesn’t take a psychologist or any PhD to figure out that these shameful acts against anyone is appropriate. When it comes to abuse. I have heard so many stories in the church here lately of these atrocities.
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When I reported to a friend the abuse ( verbal rage) that terrified me from a male - the question I got was what did you to aggravate him . In my mind I’m like oh wow - peoples views are demonic
I’ve been told recently that teens shouldn’t stay at the Church were they are sexually abuse. But for some of them Church’s youth groups is the only nurture of friends they are able to find. Just imagine a friend ( male ) of mine silently enduring sex abuse from our líder in the Youth Griup for the sake of keeping his friends.
Hi Julie, Abuse is abuse. It's not part of Christ's teaching. If women get to fear their spouse and the father of their children,, how can they possibly be expected to trust him? Dr Street? is exaggerating about the Shelters for abuse victims. John MacArthur has issues with women in the Church. A pastor's character is equally as important as his biblical knowledge.
If this man were being abused by his wife. If she started being belligerent. Hitting him. Drinking too much. Forcing him into sex... he would stay? And take it? He wouldn't leave?
And how is someone in an abusive relationship supposed to set boundaries with their partner if they’re constantly violating them? This isn’t addressed in any of the churches that I have seen and I have attended many in my 50 years of being a believer. I’m an abused wife and not sure what the Lord would have me do but it has been going on for 30 years. 🥹🙏
ἀπειθέω apeitheō Thayer Definition: 1) not to allow one’s self to be persuaded 1a) to refuse or withhold belief 1b) to refuse belief and obedience 2) not to comply with Part of Speech: verb This is the word in 1 Peter translated "disobedient" husband.
Thank you Julie for shedding light on this issue. Abuse is abuse, it is 100 % rong. Christions should never abuse their wives. All Christions here on the face of this earth doing this, need to be held acountable like the rest of sosiety,This also includes passters hiding behind the pullpit, like John Mccarther who's promoting this kind of behavior. end of rant. You are doing a great thing exposing this nonsence. Keep doing what you're doing July, you're advicating for a lot of people, and you are doing the Lord's work.
Just listening to this, GOD HELP US! Thank you, Julie for what you are exposing!!! I’ll say it, this man at this institute of counseling is spiritually sick! Shame, shame! The thought of a baby 4 years old wanting to be victimized. And, the woman who wrote this in her book, Appalling…
At 47.00. The situation he cites at 47 mins, tells us that man married an unbeliever!!! He never addresses THAT problem. Why would a believer marry an unbeliever???
I wonder if you have heard of the author of Enough is Enough. It's a book with a no excuses perspective on the abusers. Some of your listeners would find additional resources from this counselor helpful as I do.
Another issue with Street's interpretation of 1 Peter is his deficient understanding of who Peter's audience demographic in his first (and second) letters. His primary audience are Jewish Christians in Asia Minor. This is evident from his quote (in 1 Peter 2:6-8) of Isaiah 8:14 which Peter's rabbi Jesus had directly connected to the Jewish religious leaders in Luke 20:9-18. Paul does the same in Romans 9:32 and 11:11. This concept of stumbling becomes, for Paul, a technical shorthand for Jewish rejection 1 Corinthians 1:23. When Peter gets to chapter 3:1, he brings this ethnic focus to the foreground when discussion Jewish husbands who "have not obeyed the word" but whose wives had. This Jewish focus takes on a sharper point when Peter uses the Old Testament figure of Sarah as a role model. This Jewish audience focus, cannot be construed as "someone who is a believer who is acting like an unbeliever", as Street wrongly states (19:46), because the entire point is that these Jewish rejecters of Jesus may be "won" by the pure conduct. In other words, they have heard and rejected the gospel, but by the conduct of their wives, they will have to re-evaluate the "Stone the builders rejected". Contra to Street's suggestion that Peter could have used "apistou" interchangably for one who didn't "obey the word", he reason Peter does not use the alpha-privative (a) with "pistou" (believe/faith) " to form the compound word "unbeliever" (apistou- as in 1 Timothy 5:8) is that he is definitely NOT talking about a believer, but a diaspora Jew who having heard the gospel has "stumbled" or "disobeyed" the Word about Jesus. Street violates contextual reading and instead posits this passage obligates Christian women to endure abuse from believing husbands who are not acting like it. The magical phrase, "it could be", makes everything that follows a fabrication, but with the implied authority of scripture combined with his position as an "expert". Additionally, Street misconnects the word "Likewise" to the suffering of Jesus, as if enduring physical abuse is necessary in marriage. "Likewise" is actuall connecting back to Chapter 2 verses 13 through 16 which sets the overarching attitude and goal of all believers to enjoy their freedom while living a life of goodness that silences slanderous and foolish talk agains the gospel of Jesus. There is no sense that when shifting from adressing slaves in Chapter 2 to Jewish wives of Jewish husbands in Chapter 3, Peter is importing "harshness" into the picture. Instead it models 1 Peter 2:15: "that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people." Peter's overarching goal is stated starting in 3:8 "Finally, ALL OF YOU (i.e. slaves, Jewish Christian Wives, Jewish Christian husbands, and everyone else)...16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. 17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God... Any unjust treatment is an opportunity to model Christ who"brought us to God". However, although vulnerable Christian slaves could suffer physical abuse as in v.20 (v.19 uses "pascho" to suffer ill-treatment as Jesus did during his trial--which included slander and false witness), the word "skolios" in verse 18 (i.e.unjust) is not a violent word, it means "bent, crooked". Its the root of our modern word "scoliosis" - a crooked backbone. Peter mostly describes "unjust" behavior with malicious talk, slander, ignorant and foolish talk and reviling. There is no reason to think that physical abuse in marriage was on Peter's mind which is why he only uses physical abuse in the section directed to slaves. The "Likewise" is directed to humility and submission, not to the expectation of physical abuse.
What counselling? No counselling for some, just judgements. This at least made us learnt something. One sided unfair counsellings can be worse than no counselling. Can one imagine escaping being harm is blamed? There is no virtue in enduring abusers instead of seeking help elsewhere. Dontxthink God encourages that.
How ironic that this “Biblical counseling” wants to all a victim a sinner for seeking safety instead of focusing on the sin of abuse. This is not the Bible! This is religion and deplorable!
Why anyone would listen to the teacher at this college is beyond comprehension. Its boggling. He says ummm so many times..this is pure gibberish. Grace Church is going up in flames.
There is a very subtle thing going on with the GCC leadership. If you pay close attention, you will see there is a crafting of an approach mixed with technically accurate preaching. The technically accurate preaching is ending up being a mask behind which dark things are hiding. The greatest test of Scripture as to the quality of church leadership is the afflictions of Christ. Where are the afflictions of Christ in men who enjoy high standards of living or become outright wealthy (like JM) from ministry money? In Col 1 : 24 Paul says that he rejoices in his sufferings for the Colossians and "fill up in my flesh what is LACKING in the afflictions of Christ". What a telling verse. I'm astounded that church in America today can't see that they are to hold up any preacher/minister to the gold standard given in the Apostle Paul. It speaks of men who have seized control of a microphone which they have then parlayed into controlling how people think.
Check out the 42:30 minute mark. I am struck by John Street's language here. He uses the word "literal" instead of "figuratively". This is supposed to be an educated man. Or are women and children dieing in these shelters by watching a film. Maybe it's me being knitpicky, but did he not prepare his teaching lecture? Talking off the cuff, he gets a pass. Maybe his whole teaching is just him "riffing". I expect more from such a serious topic.
No one should endure abuse! Paul was an idiot. Why do we even have to ask the question whether anyone, male or female, should endure abuse??? A child knows the answer.
since when was it ok to separate the body from the soul and spirit when referring to saving an abused person. Jesus saves us daily from harm when He assigns angels to do warfare for us. Is Jesus wrong to save in body? My sister was advised to stay with her abusive husband for 20 years, and she did. She carried her shame into her 2nd marriage which was with an abusive man. She is now having to change her thinking (with pain comes wisdom) and divorce her 2nd husband due to his addictions, infidelity, physical/emotional/spiritual abuse. If not for her pastor who teaches the truth for once, she would have never realized she was not the problem. She had been brainwashed by abuse from her husband and her counselors at the time. 40 years later she finally is waking up and getting healing and strong to leave him. To the animals who teach staying in abuse, I say, "YOU go and suffer abuse of the depth and breadth of the worse cases, and then decide what is best".
Thank you for the work you do, Julie. And for keeping it available. I couldn't listen to this beyond the opening 18 minutes. Tragic. Wrong. It's like using the Bible to justify slavery.
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