How Serious is the Sin of Female Pastors? 

It started with head coverings and spread from there.

Quite right

@@DrGero15 "It started with head coverings and spread from there." You can't say that! Head coverings are off limits! (But.... you are absolutely right! Once you start excusing your way around plain statements, there is no limit.)

@@Packhorse-bh8qn Exactly, if a clear command tied to creation can be dismissed as "cultural" than anything can be.

Amen

Paul is clearly saying that is his position, not a command from God. What would you expect from a Pharisee?

​​@@deanschulze3129 With all due respect, Paul was given his position by Christ Himself, and he was given divine inspiration by Christ Himself. Paul's position on this would have been exactly what Christ's was/is. If we say that "this was just Paul's opinion," where do we draw the line? How much of the epistles are under the "divine revelation" principle, and what aren't? Acts 20:24: “But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.” Galatians 1:11-12: “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” It is clearly taught that Paul has been given authority by Christ to teach. Woman's role is no less important than mans, and neither is greater than the other- but it is clear as day the position of pastoral office is to be relegated to men based on what Paul says alone, cause his words are from Christ.

@@deanschulze3129 So,, you don't believe in the inspiration of Scripture, then. You don't believe Paul's writings were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Is that correct?

@@deanschulze3129 Your response is a textbook example of someone who thinks he knows something.....but is dumber than shit.

@@Packhorse-bh8qn was it St Paul?

What does the verse say exactly? We don't imply with the word. What is the context?

Exactly 💯

I’ve had people scoff at me saying similar. But as far as I know, there isn’t a single denomination or church that ordains homosexuals that doesnt also ordain women. Sure there are some (like AoG) that ordain women and not gays, but we’ll see where they are in 10-15 years.

yup I went to a church that had women preaching on Sunday but as a lay preacher, which goes against scripture of women not having authority over men. When I asked about their position on same-sex marriage they refused to address it saying it wasn't within the scope of the Q and A. Every time someone brings it up they don't want to talk about it and they had openly LGBTQ people serving in the church and didn't want to address it or correct them. This church is affiliated with the Anglican communion which explains a lot, as they are super woke lately and openly affirm the LGBT lifestyle and have ordained LGBT ministers and pastors. So in an effort not to upset anyone they just don't want to talk about it but passively accept LGBT "christians".

Never met a female preacher who preached without adding errors or blasphemies. We "pretend" that there "may be one", but the reality is not true.

I've literally see that play out in the NG Kerk here in South Africa, once the most dominant denomination in the country. I call it "three easy steps to apostacy: Step 1: Undermine the absolute authority of scripture by disgarding a very clear, yet seemingly unimportant commandment : Female pastors. Step 2: Undermine the moral authority of the Bible by disgarding a very serious commandment in the Bible: homosexuality. Step 3: Since the Bible is no longer considered to be a reliable source of moral truth, why do we still need a saviour? Reduce Jesus as just one of many paths to God.

It is heresy. No question about it.

@@mastery4living187heterodox, it does not effect salvation.

@@1517the_year ultimately, it proves someone does not have the spirit of God. You cannot read 1 Timothy 2:12 and allow women preachers unless you are “self warped, conceited, and unfit for any good work”

@@1517the_year Rebelling against God's government IS a salvation issue. Did God not cast Lucifer and the other sinning angels out of His ranks because they attempted to overthrow Him and make themselves the standard of morality? Is it logical to believe that God would trust a professing Christian with something like eternal life and a position even higher than Lucifer's if they won't submit to His authority? It is certainly not!

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 perfect theology is your standard of salvation I see! I thought it was faith alone but then again, what do I know! Your logic is poor and I’ll give you a reason. One characteristic listed in scripture for an elder in 1 Timothy 3:4 says that an elder must have children who are submissive of him. ESV. Does he lose out on salvation because he fails in this area? Your relying on human perfection and it’s quite literally, not biblical.

@anthonyfava9367 "I think the fact that it is a sin rises to the level of heresy as it rejects God's design for both creation and the church. " No, it is not heresy. Yes, it's a serious sin, but it is not heresy. The Church historically has reserved that very severe word for teachings that directly attack the nature of God, or the Person and Work of Christ. This does neither, unless one wants to force a chain of ideas that eventually leads there. But by that standard, all error is heresy, which is patently ridiculous. It's only in the last few decades, as the church has become increasingly dumbed down, that that word, "heresy" has been flung around carelessly, at every idea we don't like. When we use words promiscuously, they lose their power. When very person who picks up a puppy from the side of the road, is a "hero", well, there aren't any true heroes anymore. When everything is "awesome", nothing can really be awesome anymore. Words matter. The word "heresy" should be used sparingly.

Scripture is clear. I don't understand how egalitarians make sense of verses like those.

Literally in the Greek: “a one-woman man” … so the question is literally how can a woman be a one-woman man?

lol...very easily? You can quote scripture after scripture, but the other side will do the same. It's all based on "how people want to interpret and prioritize" teachings.

true. although that scripture definitely doesn't exclude men who aren't married

​@@thejoshuaproject3809 That whole Tota Scriptura is meaningless. Sooner or later, we need to examine we need to use discernment on individual cases. For example, Apostle Paul commanded the Corinthian Church to expel the sexually immoral brother and have nothing to do with him. How many churches including conservatives churches practice this?

The church went the way of heresy a long long time ago. Revelation 17 the scarlet woman - RC church - is the mother of harlots - all other churches.

You mean simple, not simplistic. In case anyone misunderstands you!

The Wesleyan Church, The Free Methodist Church, The Church of the Nazarene, United Methodists, Episcopal, and the Salvation Army. Some Lutheran church do, too. Christian Missionary Alliance has women deaconesses.

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@@pkmcnett5649church of the Nazarene? I was raised Nazarene . They don’t even allow dancing, “mixed bathing “, ear piercing , or red nail polish . How can they allow female pastors? My uncle was a Nazarene pastor

@@pkmcnett5649a deaconess is not a pastor. A pastor is a pastor .

@flowerpower3618 You must have been away from them for over 30 years, or more. Most of the rules you listed have long been gone. Strictness might depend on geography, though. Being raised that way and what they do now are very different. That being said, women pastors have been in the Church of the Nazarene since its inception. A woman was one of the founders.

Kenneth Copeland is a heretic, so of course his teachings are heretical.

The Apostles Creed says that Jesus descended into hell after his death, but never said that he suffered. He did this to preach the gospel to the righteous who had passed. The born-again part is heresy. Jesus had no need to be born again; he is God. The need to be born again is due to the sin nature that humans have. Jesus did not take on a sin nature, because sin is passed down through the father, and Jesus had no biological father. Jesus never sinned; again, he is God. After typing through all of that I have determined that my original rendering of the born-again thingy was wrong. Kenneth Copeland saying that Jesus was born again is downright blasphemous.

Jesus went to hell to proclaim his glory. It is definitely heresy to say Jesus was damned with punishment

@@andrewwetzel5491thank you for this. It had been my suspicion in the past that since passes through the father but wasn’t entirely sure. Certainly makes sense of why the NT says that in Adam all sinned. Jesus was not of the line of Adam through his father because He had no earthly father. But every single one of us have an earthly father. Even those who go through Ivf of some other means of conceiving, must have a father involved. Also it is the male’s semen that contains both male and female cells that determine the sex of the baby. I know all this other stuff is kind of irrelevant to your point, but I just find it amazing how complete the word of God is to explain that sin passed through the generations and also explains how Jesus “the Son of Man” and “the Son of God” was without sin.

A major rift occurred in my family due to this teaching.

To me, egalitarians don't seem to consider the pastoral epistles. How can a woman "be the husband of one wife?"

Exactly. My aunt and I have discussed this multiple times and each family gathering she comes back with another egalitarian argument she’s found since the last time. I stopped debating her and now I just ask her “so a woman can be the husband of 1 wife?”

@@IndianaJoe0321 Isn't it Wusband? :-)

That's when,@@MansterBear , a person finds out that her/his idea doesn't eisegete very well into the scriptures -- there should not be one, single, solitary verse/passage that disagrees with one's theology.

This in ONLY Pauline teaching no other disciples said anything about this.

But Paul said 'I do not permit ...' not God does not permit - so its not lawlessness unless you have raised Paul to the level of God.

@@michaelicornelius No need to make Paul God. Let's be serious. Paul wrote under the inspiration of God and the whole Bible is God-breathed.

@@michaelicornelius In 1 Cor. 14, Paul states in no uncertain terms that this was a command from God. And since Paul's letters to Timothy were written just before he was martyred, Paul was confident enough as an apostle of God to tell Timothy that he had the authority to enforce the same edict in Ephesus. God gave Paul the authority to enforce that command because it is what He wanted to be done. It was NOT Paul's opinion.

"Who"s will? Read Isaiah 14:12-77 where Lucifer (Satan) said "I WILL" five times. Who's will is being done? MY WILL."

But are Paul's letter actually scripture in the first place? When he said all scripture is ... there was only what we know as the Old Testament. Many of Pauls epistles contradict each other.

@@michaelicornelius 2 Peter 3:15-16 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

@@michaelicornelius I wrote an informal essay on some of Paul's teachings. He doesn't come out well. Free, if anyone wants a study.

So your opinions override the bible and the apostle Paul. The reason Pauline scriptures dont line up exactly with the gospels is that Paul's scriptures are dispensational..Therefore the scriptures do not contradict, they contrast..Toni's husband

@@user-iz8np3vv4i That means nothing. I could write an essay saying that modern evangelicals are the spawn of Roman Catholicism, but that doesn't make it true. Funny, had St. Paul contradicted the other apostles, you would think that the other apostles would have clearly rebuked him. Yet you read nothing about that in either the Scriptures themselves or the early church fathers. Odd indeed...

This is a false analogy. There are solid scriptural arguments for Presbyterian infant baptism (not baptismal regeneration) as analogous to circumcision even if you or I don't agree with them. The scriptures are clear. Women are not to be preachers or hold authority over men in the church or home.

Hi, can I ask what is the difference between infant baptism and Presbyterian infant baptism? Also, do you have a video on infant baptism?

⁠@@willfull1604The NT states that physical circumcision has been replaced by circumcision of the heart, and NOT done with hands, (Romans 2:29, Col 2:11). Unless you baptize yourself, it’s done by human hands. There is no case in the NT of an unbeliever being baptized.

The difference being that the Bible is silent on infant baptism. I am not aware of any example of babies / young children baptized in the Bible, or any stating of it. The examples we do have are adults, or at least people able to understand what they're doing. In contrast, the Bible speaks directly against women being pastors/teachers of men. That is the difference. I would be okay visiting a church that baptizes babies, as long as they make it clear this does not save them. But I could not be a member at such a church. My former church (lost through Covid) baptized babies sometimes. But it wasn't pushed on everyone and it was always clearly stated that it was not for salvation. It wasn't very often, and everything else about the church and its teaching was wonderful. So I was okay with it. In contrast, I could not even visit a church where a woman was preaching. That's outright rebellion.

@@Yesica1993 The problem with that is, there’s forward movement in the New Testament that suggests in other ecclesiastical contexts, women did have prominent ministry roles, such as Romans 16. And in 1 Timothy 2::12-13 notice Paul says I do not permit he didn’t say God did not ever permit a woman to speak or have authority over a man, the reason why Paul did not permit it was because false teachers were coming into the congregations and gaining control over weak willed women who were loaded down with sins. It’s quite possible that if Paul was writing to a church in America today, the question of whether or not a woman can minister for God wouldn’t even come up. We gotta use our heads and not quote texts out of context. So maybe an understanding of the culture and the context might bring clarity on these prohibitions. And if anyone wants to be contentious about this particular exposition, remember that you have to do the same thing if you want to justify infant baptism, there is no specific case in the New Testament where a baby is baptized, you have to look at the forward movement of the New Testament toward the baptizing of households. So there!

And like everything else on YT there are the good, bad and ridiculous - men and women speaking.

Just my two cents, when Josiah inquired of God about the overthrow of Jerusalem because of their sin, the prophet was actually a prophetess. I would consider the issue more about authority than knowledge and instruction.

I realize that I’m not pastor Everhart, but pls bear with me. The text quoted earlier says specifically that she shall not have authority in the church. A RU-vid video or teaching in school is not having authority in church.. the Lord ties this directly elsewhere to Eve being made second and that she sinned first.

Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i why was Deborah a judge? Was it not because the men neglected their duty? A woman could never be a priest. Levites also we’re all men. Deborah was the exception not the rule.

Deborah was a Judge. According to the scriptures in Chronicles, a pastor/shepherd. Also she was married.

Maybe just a different interpretation of scripture?? Not necessarily pride?? Only God knows a female pastors heart.

@@taebrown384 Maybe ❤️

Yes, could it be Pride? NkJV, Micah 6:4, For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. God was saying, I sent you three Leaders. Yes, God sent a woman to lead. Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him. The complementary roles and abilities of males and females bring balance, strength, and help to each another as they fulfill God’s purposes. Women and men (as man) were given the dominion mandate. Males and females (man’s houses) have distinct purposes and designs. Instead of asking if women should be in leadership, we should be asking how they are to exercise their leadership, given their purpose and design. What does the Woman’s purpose and design say about her leadership role? Blessings❤️

@@prayersfordeliverance you wrote: Women and men (as man) are spiritually equal before God and equally as important to Him. There were some gender-specific roles on the Old Covenant, but there are none in the New. I wrote a free poastable essay on Deborah. A Judge could execute a man for his sin. There was no way to appeal or alter a Judge's verdict. This was all settled at about 1100 B.C. but false teachers and false teachings on this matter will not stop. Read time: 12 minutes should you wish a study at some point

I am exactly like you. Painful. Preaching and teaching are my gifts. The Bible does present women leaders: Deborah, a prophetess. Not the only one. Prophetesses preach. Period. And she was a judge. God Himself raised her up to deliver the people from oppression. The fact that Barak is rebuked by God through her for saying that he won’t go to battle without her shows her leadership influence but especially his lack of faith in God. A sin. Men are stronger and made to lead their families and by extension the churches and society. When they greatly fail in their faith and refuse to lead, God sees fit to pick the weaker ones to shame the stronger ones. Jesus said it. This is precisely what happened in this story and it is precisely what is happening today. While very many men are stuck on pornography, video games and have no drive to finish the work, (and many women share in that blame without a doubt), God Himself is calling and equipping… yes, you know what I will say… women.

Paul said 'I do not permit ...' Paul; was a man not God and he did not say God has instructed me to say ...

Thank you. This helps me to better understand the question. You reveal yourself as an intelligent, thoughtful and ardent follower of Jesus; and that alone offers comfort.

Ma’am, God used a donkey to open Baalam’s eyes. He can certainly use a woman that he created to do the same. Please don’t allow this distortion of doctrine to put limits on you that God and even the Bible didn’t. Paul says he didn’t permit women to teach, nowhere else in the Bible did this man point out where God or Jesus said that it was a sin for women to teach. We are reading about a different time and culture and trying to apply their cultural values as well as their religious values. God told us to remember a great many things, none of which was women being unable to teach. Why would there be divinely inspired books of the Bible that use women to teach? It doesn’t make sense for God to be confused as to which women can teach from His Word and others can’t because Paul. I have seen so many people broken by doctrine devoid of common sense and the Love of God. The limits we put on God should be seen as a sin of the highest order. Denying His power. I think that was right under Blasphemy. But, forgive my rant. This subject offends me and that people perpetuate this and have so much support astounds me.

@@RShaunBeautiful…

Good point.

Female pastor -> Homosexuality -> Apostasy ie. PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc. Symptom or no, sometimes the slope is indeed slippery. Mandate female pastors, like the above denominations do and the rest are almost sure to follow. As far as I know right now there is still the possibility of a moral exemption from female ordination at the presbytery level in the EPC not so sure about the ECO. I can't think of a single mainline denomination that would allow me to be an elder and take a personal exemption from the ordination of women. Definitely not PCUSA, Episcopal, UMC, ELCA, etc. How could someone be a member under such strictures, there is no chance to change presbytery or denominational views because you have no official voice to change polity if they won't even ordain/appoint you as an elder without compromising your morality. Best bet is getting as many lay people on your side and then funneling them out as quickly as possible.

I attended an ECO church with my wife for a while because it was the church she was part of when I met her. (First Presbyterian Colorado Springs) There is a lot of bad theology going down there. Especially when the women preachers get up to preach. Denying the authority of Scripture is denying the authority of Scripture, and it always leads to more and more errors and heresies. I can tell you scary stories!!!

God's light yet - but Paul says 'I do not permit ...' so it isn't God's word here but Pauls. As for the downward trend, in the mid 1800s Spurgeon said the downgrade of Christianity had already begun. He of course was a calvanist and that teaching was highly speculative.

Has the Christian and Missionary Alliance also turned against wives submitting to their husbands?

@@michaelicornelius It seems every generation has points of conflict between the body of Christ and the culture. I am sure Spurgeon was correct in that day just as we are seeing all things gender as the tip of the spear culture is attempting to skewer the body of Christ with. Thanks for seeing that this is not new. The issue about Holy Scripture is very important. How we view God's word says a lot about how we trust the power of God.

@@conceptualclarity An answer to this question is as difficult to give as the question is to analyze. On the surface I have never heard a word spoken about it. That may be an answer in itself. I do recall a message I heard at least 10 years ago on the love & respect passages. The sermon was time weighted about 80/20 toward love. I can construe all sorts of meaning about the importance of instructing men to, and how to, love their wives. It is true, I need to hear and do it myself. But there is a clear message in the missing weight in the message. I give the benefit of the doubt to the weight of responsibility and leadership. Yet don't the "love & respect" passages and the "no male or female" both show that we all need instruction and grace?

@@michaelicornelius it is God's word. I Cor. 14:37

Curious how you limit baptism from the bible.

@@philagon Fair question. 1. Jesus got baptized as an adult. 2. All baptisms in Scripture are of adults. 3. A baby cannot choose anything so what is the point? 4. When Jesus gave instructions for baptism He said "Teach, baptize, teach". You can't teach a baby. 5. Infant baptism, baptism by sprinkling etc... were all brought in much later in Christian history when the church was well off the rails.

​@@danwilsonpastorCalvin, Luther, Knox, etc., accepted infant baptism... Were they wrong, or are you wrong?

​@@j.v.2064 no Scripture? Your argument is to deflect away from Scripture and turn to men who are supposedly more credible than I am? This has nothing to do with me or Calvin. You are supporting what Jesus warned about - teaching as doctrine things you can only prop up from men.

@@j.v.2064They were wrong. The followed Augustine who was wrong. FWIW Augustine's bible was the Latin Vulgate which was put together from loose pile of manuscripts by Jerome. Problem is the Greek manuscripts were in error. FWIW v.2 Latin Vulgate was the bible of Jean Cauvin man in Geneva

None of us can actually live up to the Bible's standards 100%. If the man is not qualified, then he should not be teaching.

@@user-mj9ti4zz8c And what are the qualifications for 'father'? Be careful of the teachings of Paul. ________________________________________________________ For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus

We rejoice with you. Phil 1:18

I used to believe everything by Paul, but those days are gone. Paul ordered/approved of a man's execution before Paul was saved, and another man's after Paul received salvation. Paul, repeatedly stated he was a 'father' that gave birth to Christians. Paul, wrote that Christian men that were uncircumcised upon salvation shouldn't be circumcised, yet ordered/instructed Timothy to be circumcised. etc. etc. etc. I wrote a short free essay on some of Paul's teachings. Some parts are about women, but not all. Be careful of the teachings of Paul. Very careful.

I trust your studies include Luke 10:19 (with context), and Mark 16:15-18. ............ BTW, in Mark 16:17, the KJV has "devils", but the underying Greek word it is translating, is actually "demons". Here is, right from the Textus Receptus: δαιμονια (demons) εκβαλουσιν (they'll cast out). ............ NOTE: Mark 16:15-20 is part of the Great Commission. It applies to all Christians for as long as the gospel will be preached! :--}>

@@InspiralJez 🍓 Whatever I have said here is all true. Probably, I should have said that I am no longer scared of demons/devils. Anyway, I am not scared of demons/devils whatsoever, because I have known the truth and limitations of what they are allowed to do.

@@genewood9062 🍓 Thank you brother. At first, my siblings, who are also Christians, did not believe what I told was true, but, gradually, in the last 2 years, they started believing what I said was true.

@@InspiralJez 🍓 At the very beginning, I was a bit scared of the demon, for I misunderstood that demons attack humans as they want, but now, I can honestly tell you that I am not scared of demons at all. The only things I am concerned is that I always get attacked for committing sins ignorantly. Anyway, the new attack has started, but not physically this time. Obviously, a part of what I wrote in here must have violated the Scriptures, but I don't know which part, since the whole massage is true. Now, I have to edit my message to make it a very brief message. Anyway, nice talking to you.

In 1 Tim 3:11, the Greek word translated wives could just mean women. Which could mean that Paul is outlining the requirements for female deacons. It would be odd for Paul to include requirements for deacon's wives here but not the elders wives earlier in the chapter. The next verse would then be a prohibition against elders being polygamists'. Also, Paul already acknowledged that their is a female deacon in Rome, in Romans 16:1. He even speaks positively about her.

God's Word is NOT unclear about the issue. The real issue is you're trying to blur the lines on a subject that God says is black and white. The average atheist can read all of the passages and reach the same conclusion. God has never been unclear on doctrinal matters. Ppl simply try to rationalize them as being unclear in order to feign ignorance. When God says women are not to possess ecclesiastical authority, that's exactly what He means.

Amen!

Addendum: Unfortunately, this issue has resulted in such hatred towards women, from supposed Christian men. (At least, that's what I've seen online.) That is the part that caught me off guard. I had no idea so many men in church hated women in general - in other words, hated ME - THAT much.

@@Yesica1993 It is unfortunate that there is that kind of thing. I think some men have gone a bit overboard. I think that the biggest problem is when just believing what scripture says is "hatred towards women" - theres alot of that too.

I do not think men are growing disgruntled with women due to these religious reasons per say. I think the issue is the horrible party and only fans culture that women out themselves in, which hurts young men looking for genuine love. As this culture becomes more and more accepting of casual relations young men are disproportionately affected by these effects like divorce and broken families, which leads to their pain growing to be bitterness towards all women. Seeing women pastors just reminds these men of the pride of the women who are immersed in this casual culture that hurt them @@Yesica1993

​@@brijenell0201I am a man, and even I notice the hatred lately.

I watched a great presentation on this subject recently on RU-vid. It's called "The Age of Things: Does it Matter?" by Kurt Wise

Yes, there are male false teachers, and we should be aware of and flee from them.

By your logic, women would not get communion because the Bible didn't explicitly say they should. We believe in covenant theology. For example, baptism in Hebrews to all the people of Israel escaping Egypt under the Red Sea. Children and infants were in that group. God works covenantly with his people. As a Christian man, who is married to a godly woman. All my children are Christians whether they like it or not. They can fall away, but they are Christians. For example, Jesus cut off all the Jews off the covenantal tree because they denied him. They were still Jewish though.

You know, I don't know how my Christian brothers can read their bible and not see there are 2 gospels..1 for Israel and 1 for gentiles.The lord in the gospels is obviously preaching to Jews and Apostle Paul to the gentiles.Acts 9 explains this clearly as the Lord Jesus speaks to Annanias from heavens glory..The bible is all written for us but not all to us..God bless..Toni's husband

@@leviwilliams9601 thanks for sharing your thoughts. How do you reconcile infant baptism with believing preceding baptism in Mark 16:16?

@@tonimccoy9778 There is only _1_ gospel that is in scripture, and the same gospel was preached to both Israelites and Gentiles.

Paul was a murderer. However, he clearly was a new man. If a similar situation would present itself, the example is clear. The problem is demonstrating/proving such a dynamic change.

If you are in the US, try the OPC or the RPCNA, they both utterly Forbid women from having any rank above Laity, and do not Permit any Celebration of Easter or Christmas at all, as they are Lords Day Only as per the 1648 Westminster Standards and Directives. They might be just who you are looking for. Hope that Helps.

@@simeonyves5940Thanks for your help. I live in Ontario, Canada and although my husband is okay with female pastors, I’m not as I see it as a red flag as to interpreting scripture. I’m praying that we’ll be finding a church soon that we can be members of.😊🙏

@@karendash3274 No Problem. You need to get your Husband to read 1st Timothy Chapter 2 immediately! women Pastors are absolutely Forbidden by Scripture, which means, as all Scripture is given by Inspiration of God (2nd Timothy Chapter 3) , God has forbidden women Pastors. You are 100% Correct that it is a Red Flag. I am ex church of England, and I have seen with my own eyes what happens when women's ordination is allowed, it results, Invariably, without fail, in total Apostasy! the church first stops teaching the 5 Solae, then they stop teaching the 5 Points of Grace, then they start teaching the lies of Rome, then they start permitting Abortion and Homosexuality, then they teach Universalism, and then they go so far as to deny that Christ ever Existed, and Denying the fact that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is explicitly warned against as a mark of an anti-christ by St. John the Apostle. women's ordination is the first step on a very slippery slope! so churches with women in any position above Laity are to be avoided Entirely! they are Disqualified. This is why it is Vital to search for a Church that utterly Forbids women pastors in their Canon Laws. The Church, for its Survival, must be utterly against women's ordination and must make it a hill to literally die upon, they must be able to say, along with the Reverend Brett Murphy of the FCE/REC "a woman will only be ordained in the FCE over my, quite literally Dead!, Dead Body" , it is that Serious. Because it Destroys entire Denominations! if even the church of England can fall, any Denomination can fall! Women Pastors, are, indeed, a massive Red Flag, and it is God Himself who has given you that Discernment through the Holy Ghost. Try the 9 Marks church finder, they cover Presbyterians as well as Confessional Reformed Baptist, so their may be a decent Presbyterian Church on there for you. Hope that Helps.

The idea that women can be pastors/teachers/evangelists is straightforward heresy, and there is no need for a "healthy debate". God says they are not to possess ecclesiastical authority under any circumstances!

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. Read time: 12 minutes, free

The Bible is only inerrant in the original manuscripts which we don't have, is the NIV, Message Bible, KJB etc etc are they all inerrant because they contradict each other. They all choose to translate words/passages based on their doctrinal position.

That passage does not say, despite what Rick Warren wants to say, that women were ordained as leaders in the church then. ALL Christians are filled with the Spirit. ALL Christians are to share God's Word.

Prophesying is not the same thing as teaching and preaching

Generally female preachers/teachers tend to focus on social justice and creating temporal harmony. I have never heard a female teacher with a serious outlook on either doctrine or fighting our true enemies: the world, the flesh and the devil. If you're aware of a female teacher who does these things please let me know.

John Stott was an annihilationist who chose not to sign the Chicago statement on inerrancy in 1979. NT Wright is by my understanding a long way from being theologically conservative, and I'm not basing that primarily on his sex roles view viewpoint