POF Rogue Review 2023 - The little Battle Rifle that can?

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Is the POF Rogue a 308 platform AR that’s worth owning? Does it still compete years after its release? Find out in the POF Rogue Review 2023 - The little battle rifle that can?
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@Highpowered12 10 месяцев назад

First time at range this rifle functioned outstanding. I put 150 rds. through it. No malfunction. But again, bought it factory new.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Glad it’s working great out of the box!

@ducatiluvr 6 месяцев назад

I have a 12.5 1200 ish downrange. Other than a hydraulic buffer it's bone stock. So far it has run like a sewing machine with zero failures. I have gotten sub moa with 168smk and 175 elr. With 147 it shoots right around 2-2.5 moa. With a Burris 1-6 areo mount sling and streamlight it weighs about 7 pounds 5 oz with out mag. It is truly amazing how little recoil it has. Originally I did have some swiping until I installed the hydraulic buffer. I absolutely love it.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 6 месяцев назад

Right on, thanks for sharing your experience with accuracy! Sometimes it’s just the right load that’ll do it! I love how light the gun is and when it’s tuned it shoots super smooth. POF announced the Rogue 13.75” with the dictator installed along with the dead air brake on it. I use a nomad-30 so that looks like a solid out of the box setup. Definitely gonna lose some velocity with the shorter barrel but I’m willing to try that one out. I want to give the gun another fair shake. I feel that would be the ticket hog rifle to replace my PA-10 that I modified heavily.

@ducatiluvr 6 месяцев назад

@@SabertoothDefenseSystems 2-3 moa ain't bad for a 7.5 " battle" pistol. Not super accurate with everything but extraordinarily effective with anything. Especially at the 150 meters or less for the 99.9 percent of my use.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 6 месяцев назад

@@ducatiluvr Sure, as stated in the video as a battle rifle averaging about 2 inches is just fine for that use case! Im a hunter and at least 1.5” average is what I’m looking for. It’s what POF marketed this gun as, but I wholeheartedly agree with you that as a battle rifle it does the job very well and that accuracy is just fine. Glad you like yours! I still think it’s a neat gun regardless of its shortcomings!

@Impossibly-Possible 4 месяца назад

when did you buy it and what version is it>? I think they have fixed the issues but have not said anything publicly or put a new name on the new versions.

@joshuab.gardner1479 3 месяца назад

@ducatiluvr did you go with a jp silent capture spring?

@rgochina 10 месяцев назад

Good to see you back! Brazil send you regards. Well, after all, I think we should undestand that semi autos in general does 2 moa's groups, and that it is not bad at all. One moa or sub moa perfection is a mission to quality bold guns.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Yep I’m perfectly happy with a gas gun shooting 2MOA consistently. It is nice though when I can at least get 1.5”🤔 Yes, the bolt guns are just inherently more accurate. My Ruger American 308 shoots .75” easily and with the right load I’ve shot .49”. Thanks for tuning back in!

@jakehorvath9001 21 день назад

I think all of the negatives are worth it for hunting or carrying around for long periods of time. That 6 pound rifle becomes a perfectly balanced 8.5 pound rifle with a suppressor and scope.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 21 день назад

I would say so too. For hunting this shines if you keep it between 0-300 yard hunting

@pcpolice7937 Месяц назад

My SFAR is100% reliable with the few types of ammo I have tried. The Federal 150 gr and 180 gr soft point and Lake City 7.62 x51 XM80C all fired great

@SabertoothDefenseSystems Месяц назад

Good to know! When did you buy yours?

@marcosablan Месяц назад

I have a SFAR which I love but I'm definitely look to get this for a DMR set up

@SabertoothDefenseSystems Месяц назад

@@marcosablan is look into the 13.7” version of the rogue if I were you. Shorter barrel, but comes with a keymo compatible suppressor ready muzzle brake, and already comes with the dictator gas block installed. But honestly I might wait a bit longer, cuz at a local trade show, POF was showing off a version of the rogue with a carbon fiber barrel.. very interesting and SUPER lightweight! I don’t have any release info but I was definitely intrigued!

@BlackSheep_7.3 9 часов назад

I wish my SFAR was reliable

@danielwebster4878 8 месяцев назад

I have a Ruger sfar and was having feeding issues after about 80 rounds on setting 2. Contacted Ruger customer service, Deborah I believe was her name, and advised of my situation. She knew immediately where I was going with this and got my mailing information and advised that the new gas block would be sent out the next day. Once I received and changed out the new gas block, along with a h3 buffer fro Odin, I have not had any problems with feeding issues on my sfar. With the heavier buffer, it is a lot easier to shoot and don’t kick like a mule. Great video.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 8 месяцев назад

Good to hear you’ve got that fixed now! Thanks for watching!

@robertgoodrich8953 3 месяца назад

Ruger SFAR is no comparison to the POF, especially with the Dictator. If you put them side by side the Ruger is cheaply made with cheap parts. Had mine for about a year. Stock spring and properly adjusted gas block and it's completely reliable with multiple types and weights of ammo.

@inversiondefense 5 месяцев назад

Great review and good shooting. I saw you went hog hunting and it's where this rifle shines. I made sure I got the 12.5" 1-8 twist for hunting with supers and some subs. Yes, there are few changes with the Rogue. The 1-10 twist was made to make the rifle more reliable supposedly. Now, POF made the Rogue 13.75" 1-10 with the dictator gas block that will pretty much fix all the issues, but now that model can't stabilize 210gr+ bullets as good.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for checking out the review! This thing really shines with 0-300 yard hunting, especially hog hunting, I think this thing is the ticket. I love the idea of the 13.75 rogue. It would be great with a suppressor, keeping the overall length down!

@robertgoodrich8953 Месяц назад

I have had my Rogue almost a year. I had a few reliability until I got the Dictator gas block. Since that time some ammo has to be adjusted on the block to function correctly. Once adjusted it has been 100 per cent! My accuracy is also in the 2’s, which is fine for me. Hornady Black is relatively cheap and is accurate and has good results in gel. I am very happy to have this lightweight .308. If I have to Bugout because I have no choice, this is the one coming with me!

@SabertoothDefenseSystems Месяц назад

It’s a great lightweight battle rifle!

@DTreatz Месяц назад

I assume after Frank died the QC of POF seems to be all over the place, which is a shame since they have very innovative and unique guns that are pretty damn quality.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems Месяц назад

I completely agree. It seems that is the case, and it’s a shame.

@warwickg8263 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for your detailed and analysis and testing. Great insight into what to expect with this firearm, and what might be "best application".

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it! My goal with this channel is to provide thorough amounts of data, rather than the “reviews” of people just saying, “I like the way it looks and it shot a good group”. I detest that sort of thing. Money is much tighter nowadays so it’s only fair to get the best data possible to make a better informed decision as far as where your money goes! For what it’s worth, while I think this platform lacks in certain areas, I think for the proper application of a lightweight battle rifle or a lightweight 0-300 hunting rig, this thing really shines!

@righteousone8454 3 месяца назад

3 rifles I tried even before firing a round, bound right side bolt release button, 1 had to be RMA'd from store level even before a purchase, 2 others were binding pretty hard, but not as bad as 3rd. Check in the store bolt catch and release, by pulling charging handle and locking bolt with all ambi controls, then test bolt release on the right side. If it's binding, then you will have same issues as me. POF was top notch quality before owner has passed away. His children are running a company now, and they clearly don't care about QC, this was told to me by the dealer that sells this gun.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 3 месяца назад

Ive definitely seen a shift in QC since the passing of Frank DeSomma.

@markanderson9857 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for doing a video. I have been using mine for several years now. And haven't had any problems. They have gone up a little since I bought mine. Unfortunately you are right about parts swapping. I have wanted to change mine to a 8.6 blackout. But cant find a barrel. POF said they aren't interested in that clambering. Faxton has never gotten back to me. I know that the first Q simi auto 8.6 was built on a POF Rogue. I really like the platform. The weight is great! It's super lightweight. I don't expect minute of the angle out of it. But i would really like it if POF would have better customer support for parts like barrels, barrel extensions or at least make those parts available to someone like Faxton. If anyone has insiders info to help with my project..

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 6 месяцев назад

Agreed! It’s a very handy and lightweight rifle, which I love! I just wish it could average out to about 1.5” groups rather than averaging around 2” groups. Just to further justify the price they demand. But yes I also agree, I wish there were more accessories or aftermarket support for this rifle! And yes! Especially in 8.6 blackout! I’d love to give that caliber a whirl!

@michaelbarfield528 10 месяцев назад

Great review! As for manufacturers not informing firearms owners that their product has an issue such as the Ruger SFAR (as Turkey Opinion and other SFAR owners have discovered) this seem to be just policy for some companies (SA and their Prodigy...." Yikes!", S&W and their shotguns........"Recalled" after intro to the public, Ruger SFAR issues.....etc.) We firearm owners have become product testers for the firearms industry......🤔

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Yup, you’re spot on. While the manufacturer will always learn more about a product over a long period of hard use by a customer and continually make improvements, it’s evident that many products are released “half baked” for us to iron out the wrinkles, utilizing the “Lifetime Warranty” they give us🙄😂 While I appreciate a manufacturer resolving a problem, I don’t want a problem in the first place🤷🏻‍♂️

@michaelbarfield528 10 месяцев назад

@@SabertoothDefenseSystems So true!!!!😃

@Rogue-7.62 10 месяцев назад

Mine functioned fine out of the box new. The only thing I did was replaced the buffer and spring with a Geisslle set with the proper sizes of course. Super reliable, but parts interchangeability is the biggest major issue. My accuracy is just at and sometimes bellow 1.5" at 100 yards using Federal 175gr., with 165gr it opens up to about 2.0". It's extremely finicky about the ammo weight and type, so with the twist of 1 in 8 don't bother with anything below 165gr.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah your accuracy sounds right on point with mine in this gun. Definitely ammo picky from what I’ve seen.

@22swroberts 9 месяцев назад

Which spring and buffer did you use do you have the part number?

@Rogue-7.62 9 месяцев назад

@22swroberts Geissele Super 42 Rifle Length Spring 04-308-F Geissele Super 42 H3 Carbine Length Buffer You will need to contact Geissele to buy the Carbine Length H3 Buffer by itself. They did sell them separately, but now only as a kit. Or you can just stick with the default PoF buffer.

@nolanballard9126 10 месяцев назад

I have a rogue. I have run about 1000 rounds through with no issues besides running a hollow point that got snaged during feeding. It has been a reliable rifle with for me with the standard gas block. I am adding a suppressor and a dictator gas block to run on it, and we will see if I have any changes in reliability.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Good to hear that the reliability has been good! Once I got the proper part in and adjusted the gas block this thing has been solid. How’s the accuracy been?

@cantgetright3657 7 месяцев назад

So you can run the dictator on the rogue - good to know! Thanks! Just got mine last week but it was manufactured in June of 2022 (not sure why it didn’t sell before I bought it but got a great deal on it)

@cantgetright3657 7 месяцев назад

One last question which is in order to run the suppressor is it necessary to switch the Dictator gas block because I didn’t think it should.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 7 месяцев назад

@@cantgetright3657 Nice! Yes you certainly can run the dictator on the Rogue. As of ShotShow 2024, the Rogue 13.75” model will come standard with the dictator.. which is an excellent addition!

@cantgetright3657 7 месяцев назад

Thanks and is it a problem to run a suppressor on the stock fixed gasblock? I read a review where it said the fixed gas block could pose a problem for a suppressor but it didn’t elaborate why,

@tehflemin 10 месяцев назад

My rogue came with a regular spring, not flat, bought it about a year and a half ago

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Good to know! I thought it was probably just mine but wanted to be sure!

@CaptGus 4 месяца назад

Palmetto state armory in Summerville, South Carolina has the rogue pistols for sale ! So that’ll probably be your last chance to get one of these. Is not and will not be listed on the website. You have to physically call that store. Today is April 2, 2024.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 4 месяца назад

👍

@andrewfernandez8330 10 месяцев назад

I mean 150gr SP is actually a fantastic defensive/hunting round, kind of lucked out on that one. Im surprised that the heavier projos arent getting better performance with that twist.

@andrewfernandez8330 10 месяцев назад

Winchester 7.62x51mm NATO Ammo 135 Grain Sierra Hollow Point (AU762135) for sale at Bereli at a very good price, I would dry those out and see how well they do. Maybe Ill send you a box if you ask nice ;)

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

No doubt, that’s one of my favorite hunting rounds, so thankfully it shot ok! I’ve taken a few sheep with it and it smacks them really well. They never run more than about 25 yards before they quit. Never heard of that round! I’ll have to check it out! All donations are accepted lol😉

@tomubl2655 4 месяца назад

if you are at that cost point , why not go to the revolution DI that has gone through a series of iterations seems to be more sound................as you said ruger sfar is pooping itself............seems that taking on the weight and keeping the ar10 platform is the go to for now....yes you are right ruger does fix their issues, reference the mini 14....i would really like a light weight, i just am not convinced to pull the trigger

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 4 месяца назад

Absolutely, I think many are better served with the Revolution DI variant. Completely agree with you, I don’t think the small frame AR10 platforms are quite there yet. Definitely innovative though

@stephanarizona9094 4 месяца назад

Sexy gun but no idea why they left the barrel unfinished, currently looking at buying one and the first thing I need to do Day 1 is paint of cerakote the barrel FDE or Black.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 4 месяца назад

I’m gonna agree with you there! Wish it came cerakoted!

@FC2ESWS 10 месяцев назад

I'm seeing a $140 between the Rogue and Prescott. The Prescott comes in 6mm and 6.5 Creedmoor along with the dictator block. It's only a pound heavier, so I'm thinking that might be a better choice.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Honestly if it comes with the Dictator then I’d go that direction. The extra weight is most likely due to the longer barrel. Hope it works out for ya. I love the principle of the Rouge and Prescott. Would be a joy to carry on a hunt, being so light with the capability they sport!

@Impossibly-Possible 4 месяца назад

this rifle has many more reviews that are super negative than positive, actually I havent seen a single review that is positive, that goes for videos and sales reviews on 3 different sites, all of them are horror stories

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 4 месяца назад

Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be the case. That’s one of the reasons I had to put that in the end of the video talking about how the reviews are literally all over the place and that there isn’t a great track record with this thing. Shame cuz it very well could be an excellent product. My sample was flawless after adding the dictator gas block and actually putting in the correct buffer parts lol (again mine was a used gun). But I shouldn’t have to buy a $200 upgrade to make this thing functional.

@Impossibly-Possible 4 месяца назад

@@SabertoothDefenseSystems all the reviews I have seen are 3-4 years old, I think they have fixed the issues but have not publicly said anything about it, that makes new buyers not want to buy but also doesnt admit there was a problem in the past to previous buyers, I really want a rogue if they have fixed the issues, I am looking at SFAR and ROGUE for weight maybe the REVOLUTION but I want reliability over weight, with that being said I am looking at DDM5 v4, PSA Sabre and a few other brands that are all heavier but reliable. I so badly would like a lightweight .308 but I need this for protection and it cant be unreliable, I would rather carry a heavy reliable weapon than a unreliable feather.

@Impossibly-Possible 4 месяца назад

@@SabertoothDefenseSystems After reading about the owners and them being for 2A and put money and energy into helping defend us in court. I also spoke to God and asked for a sign if I should get this or a Sfar as I need a rifle made by a good Godly man whos savior is Jesus Christ so my rifle will be true and keep me safe being reliable and accurate as the Lord needs it to be for putting food on the table and protecting Gods children. as I went to remove it form my cart and keep the Sfar, a bird slammed into the window as I went to remove it scaring me and i did not click the remove tab. I believe this was a sign for me to get that one.

@joshuab.gardner1479 3 месяца назад

Have you tried any 185s bc my rogue is a 1:8 twist so feeding heavier should help, in theory!

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 3 месяца назад

Tried Norma bondstrike 180’s and it printed 2” groups consistently. Unfortunately I feel like the barrel was an afterthought on this rifle

@joshuab.gardner1479 3 месяца назад

I've been using Berger 185 Juggernauts and had extremely consistent results as well as my best grouping. For being a battle rifle I feel like 1moa shouldn't be an issue. I've only used mine for hogs so distance hasn't been an issue.

@OnTheScout 6 месяцев назад

This POF ROGUE 1-8 barrel hates plinker grade and ball ammo sadly.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 6 месяцев назад

To be honest it didn’t seem to like anything I put through it🤷🏻‍♂️ never got better than 1.75”MOA consistently

@OnTheScout 6 месяцев назад

My POF Rogue gets 3-4MOA groups with plinker grade and 1.5moa with match and premium hunting ammo too.

@DavidRodriguez-oc1eh 9 месяцев назад

Finally a legit review for the Rogue…I recently picked one up at an estate auction ($1000 🤌🏻) haven’t been able to get to range yet but I’ve been researching like crazy and there is very little info. Several of the reviews I’ve seen aren’t great especially cause they are running cans and such. I join pof-usa fan group on FB and asked around, everyone gave it the thumbs up but we’ll see. I’d be more concerned if it wasn’t for the fact that I got it for a ridiculous deal. Should be able to get out to range soon. Thanx for the more legit in depth review, if I do have issues I’ll be sure to use the tips you gave

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 9 месяцев назад

For what it is, I really like the gun. I just wish it was a tad more accurate with the loads I tried! That being said, there’s a ton of 308 loads out there to try. So maybe something will shoot at 1”. Otherwise the lightweight gun is a great choice for something you’ll be using on a hike or hunt. Hope it works out for ya, and glad the Review was helpful!

@etch2546 10 месяцев назад

I’ve put 380 rounds in my rogue and then the last 40 rounds I’ve had ejection issues where a casing would get stuck in ejection port just like yours did. Also just about every time I fire my gun my charging handle comes back.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Sorry to hear all that. I’m assuming yours doesn’t have the dictator adjustable gas block, just a standard one?

@etch2546 10 месяцев назад

@@SabertoothDefenseSystems yes sir, I bought it brand new as well. I bought mine in Prescott Valley in Arizona.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

@@etch2546Gotcha. Yeah man the Dictator gas block is pretty much a necessity for the gun to run reliably. POF has been at a few local range days in Phoenix and even their demo Rogue has a dictator on it. Just don’t understand why it wasn’t standard if were already paying a high price. If you can dial down the gas, your issues will most likely be remedied. Bummer though, I wish we didn’t have to pay that kind of money for something that barely functions

@TheGoodguy68 9 месяцев назад

Are you shooting 150's or 168's?

@123gggyyy 2 месяца назад

what's the effective range ? and how about the recoil

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 2 месяца назад

Recoil is like any other AR10, maybe a bit snappier due to its lightweight. Effective range is like any other 308 with a 16 inch barrel. Depends on what you want to do with it, and I can’t answer that

@jb7393 9 месяцев назад

Have you thought about changing the barrel to a revolution barrel?

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 9 месяцев назад

I wish it were as simple as that, but you can’t buy Revolution/Rouge POF barrels by themselves. They’re proprietary too so I couldn’t swap them out with an LR308 pattern barrel either. I could get a POF Revolution complete upper, but at that point you’re no longer reviewing the Rogue, you’re essentially reviewing the Revolution

@MarkDeane-r7p 21 час назад

Verla Point

@sabertoothduck 6 месяцев назад

LOL crazy name there for the channel

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 6 месяцев назад

@sabertoothduck 6 месяцев назад

The name SABERTOOTHDUCK. Did you not notice the similarities

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 6 месяцев назад

@@sabertoothduckahhhh haha, gotcha. That one went over my head obviously. I get a lot of comments so I didn’t see that! Cheers!

@juanthelawnmowerthief1641 10 месяцев назад

It’s my understanding that the Revolution was meant to be a light weight battle rifle and the 308 Rogue was meant to be a lightweight hunting rifle using heavier ammo. This makes sense since it has a stainless barrel and a 1/8 twist instead of a 1/0 traditionally used for 150 nato ammo.

@SabertoothDefenseSystems 10 месяцев назад

Yeah the twist rate makes sense to me, especially if it was marketed towards hunters! Hope to find a heavier load it shoots well!

@FC2ESWS 10 месяцев назад

Man with a 10 twist you can run up to 200 grain bullets, so I'm not sure wth they were thinking.

@OnTheScout 6 месяцев назад

POF still trying to tout the line that you need a 1-8 twist to shoot 175 and 178gr 308 is laughable.