Pokémon Went TOO FAR? 

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I would like to point out in US and UM Lusamine calmed down after seeing the might of Necrozma but when you enter the room to fight Giovanni in the after story ( where you fought Lusamine ) all the Pokémon are still frozen soooo….. yeah.😂

I like the detail during the Mother Beast fight that all of Lusamine’s Pokémon have recovery moves. Clefable’s got Moonlight, I think Milotic had Aqua Ring or Recover, and the others had similar moves. It’s meant to evoke this idea of perpetuation; that she doesn’t want the high from Nihilego’s toxins and her studies of the Ultra Beasts to end. If it ends, then she feels like she’ll lose the last connection she has to her late husband, Mohn.

Dang no one ever mentioned how good the story was and the animation is really good

The fact Lusamine doesn't care if she abandoned her children, Doesn't care if Nebby dies l, just for the sakes of opening a ultra wormhole. Leave me wondering that this woman is beyond psychopath

Lusamine is such an interesting character and one of the best executed antagonists in the series in my opinion. I'm really, really enjoying these introspections you've started doing for the villainous characters, I'd absolutely be down to see more of them. Love your editing, too (never has Zekrom looked this terrifying before, oml)!

I quite enjoyed the post-game Team Rainbow Rocket plotline in Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon, but I wonder if there was one thing that may have been missing. I mean, imagine a surprise twist where Lusamine from the Sun & Moon timeline (or rather from an alt timeline of the original Sun & Moon where she had won) was now secretly working closely alongside Rainbow Rocket's Giovanni and was the actual final boss following Giovanni's battle and her other, (perhaps less malevolent & less crazy) self from the Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon timeline meet and is disgusted by her evil other-self from that timeline...? (Now imagine what would happen if Nihilego attached itself to... Nemona from Scarlet & Violet..!?, lol)

I truly LOVED experiencing Pokemon Sun. It was my gateway back into Pokemon after leaving it off with Black. The story was very well done, the animation was impressive, the concept of Ultra Beasts is still to this day very interesting, and Mimikyu exists! Definitely a 9/10 game overall!

To this very day, Nihilego’s cry puts me into fight-or-flight mode. Since Pokémon Sun was my first ever Pokémon game, the story still sticks with me, and I tend to come back to it and think about it a lot.

This is really well written Pokemon antagonist. It starts with personal tragedy, and then it leads further into the darkness (I don't think that even Pokemon Special manga was so bold with her). In case of her final form the game devs did take some inspiration from the Pokemon Reburst manga (it's not very popular take on pokemon, but personally I like it). PS. The fandom really did make a lot of crazy fanart of Lumine and Nihilego.

There is always one messed up thing in a Pokemon game. In Kanto you have Lavender Town. In Johto, Raikou Entei and Suicune were apparently reincarnated by Ho-oh. In Hoeen, the teams went from just stealing Pokemon to wanting to cause a flood/drought of the entire region. In Sinnoh, you are trying to stop time and space from collapsing. In Kalos, you literally had a World War Pokemon WHERE YOU VISIT THEIR GRAVES!

She’s literally a PG version of Ragyo from Kill La Kill. I hear her villain theme every time Lusamine appears on screen

Lusamine is very different in USUM, and SM and in the anime. In the anime she is a caring mother that eventually falls to Nihiliego but the Type Null situation was done only by one of her subordinates. In USUM, I believe she is a still caring mother, but since Necrozma might destroy Alola, for fear off losing more people beloved to her, she takes the villain's route, she not exactly evil but she takes the whole burden for herself. Guzma is not hired but actually respects her. I have not played SM, I only have seen parts of the story, but having such a great detail in analyzing the character is very cool. Lusamine is so different in both games. This is a person that lost her marbles because of a toxin, and people could not stop her until MC arrives. I personally like USUM more. Although SM Lusamine can be a great villain and a great analyzation of ID, Super Ego and Ego, Lusamine is not the only character that takes most of the development or has to run the whole plot o revolve around it. Guzma and team skull are not just some gang, they are a group of rejects whom Guzma give a place to belong. Lilie becomes more courageous and you can see to the point of challenging you as one of the possible trainers when you defend your title as a Champion. Lusamine does not have to be evil or have lost her mind, she can still have her mental faculty, and her goals have a lot of bias of her taking over everything because of the loss of her husband. Also, Necrozma lore and story are very interesting. A being that provided light but was so abused because of its power it became too hurt that it lost its original form. Because of such action, it wants to steal all the light and attack anyone to prevent it to lose its form again. When I fight it, it felt more like a beast that could not trust humanity again. So it not only t felt like I was attacking a monster with all my might, but this monster was doing the same. A lot of characters get developed in USUM, even many members of Team Skull. And I really like that. And once again, I like that Necrozma was not some big bad, it was fighting us at its best because of trauma, rage, and also fear of losing its form once again. Although the frozen Pokemon in USUM...it kind of makes sense now. Given how they play Lusamine throughout the story in USUM, the frozen Pokemon did not make sense to me. I was always confused about it and how they gloss over it and no one mentions it ever again or Lusamine does not show such hobbies again or says she stop doing that. I see this as a leftover from SM. A cool scene that took some time to make in the battle before she goes in the Wormhole with Guzma to defeat Necrozma and save Alola. I think they just though it took more effort to take away, and it could be a nice Easter egg from SM. I will say it, SM's Lusamine character does sound like a great trip, and at the same time one of the great differences in story and character. Even in Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum did not had such a great change in story and characters in the third version. I say characters because Guzma is not just some underling. He respects and admires Lusamine, and wants to save Alola with her. Since I did not play SM and only saw parts of the story, besides Lusamine, I cannot say if SM, has the exact way as the characters play out. For one I do not think SM Guzma and USM Guzma are the same. Hau and Gladion I do not think they change that much. I think Lillie becomes more courageous in my opinion that is clouded by not having played the first game. Pretty much the majority of the characters with the exception of some team Skull members, Guzma, and Lusamine are the same (from the ones that SM and USUM share).

Lusamine is by far the Most terrifying villain in pokemon. Nothing is more dangerous than an angered mother. She still gives me chills

I think it’s fitting that she has a bewear on her team. IT’s described in the Pokédex as being strong enough to break people’s spines with hugs. Like Lusamine, their “love” destroys all they care about.

A small detail in Lusime's last battle, all of her pokemon look angry, except for Bewear

I wished Lusamine would have been in the Master’s 8 Tournament, I would have love to see a match beteeen her and Cinthia or Diantha.

I actually appreciated the darkness covered in the series.

I loved how Pokémon tried radically insane villains, starting off slow with Archie and Maxie, then moving to Cyrus whose goals slowly became more outlandish, to Ghetsis who was the classical manipulator and lying villain who just wants to watch the world burn, then Lysandre who had so much wasted potential but essentially wanted to nuke a city to preserve its beauty (stupid thought process ik), but Lusamine really filled in where Lysandre failed showing valid motivation for her actions. I hope Pokémon does better than their most recent villains because apart from Sada/Turo, their recent team leaders and antagonists have been underwhelming and ün intimidating compared to past villains.

I was really disappointed they removed some of her development in USUM

The end gave me chills, absolutely LOVED this video essay!!

The story is definitely amazing!! Thank you for another great video Charles!! ❤🎉 I look forward to your next one!! I love all your videos! I hope you’re doing well

truly one of the insane pokemon moments of all time

You know what, I will like to see a more "grown-up" take on Pokémon as a show and or game. All of them aside, you did a really good job, with this video..

I loved the SoLuna games and after playing both Sun and Ultra Sun, I get the vibes that SoLuna and Ultra Soluna were Bad End and Good End, respectively, for Lusamine. For me, it would explain why the gameplay and events were almost identical with few differences here and there between the games.

So the true meaning of the sun and moon storyline is that even saints can be sick at their core when you remove their inhibitions...a good lesson, but a dark one gamefreak. Thank goodness we have those inhibitions.

Arvin to Lillie and Gladion: dw guys i have a great therapist

What you say about Lusamine reminds me of the series .Hack G.U. Those infected by AIDA You might want to check that out if you want Here’s some info from the wiki “AIDA are drawn to human emotions, and frequently attach themselves to the PC bodies of players in The World R:2.” From tv tropes “Emotion Bomb: AIDA's effect on people. AIDA is curious about human emotion, so it bonds itself to people's consciousnesses to experiment with it. It often amplifies those emotions in the process, to disastrous levels.” “The Corruption: AIDA are this to humans, but humans are also this to AIDA. An AIDA without a host is basically harmless.”

I'm excited to see what may be announced tomorrow for Pokemon day and especially for DLC for S/V. I mean if what so many think is true and the third legend we know is out there really is evil or the big end fight it would be interesting to see what you think. I mean in a main line game there hasn't really been a evil pokemon villain. Maybe Necrozma or Eternatus but they seem to be more just following what they are. It's their nature. Most of the time pokemon are controlled or being forced to do bad by humans. a pokemon who is just evil and actually uses humans would be crazy to see. I think the xy anime did a bit of that with Malimar but more would be cool

There is reason why I’m the Lillie who more Lusamine.

I am appreciating Charles for covering both the games and the anime aspects these days.

Lillie and Lusamine would have to be my favorite character out of all the pokemon series. This is why. Lillie sweetness and how sinister Lusamine can be. Here’s a pun now, Lus-a-mine Lu-sa-me Lus-mind Also what do you think of this dress? Do you think I should go with another one? ------------------- I see myself slowly becoming like Lusamine. I see myself becoming a role model to others and my desire is growing within myself and other accelerating. I attempt to create beauty. I wearing nihilego went, Commenting to now creating. I have plummeted into my own madness but I’m lucky that people were to help save myself from going too far from the abyss alot. I see the warning, Now I embrace both sides. Lillie and Lusamine, that why I’m Lusallie.

the way you were so real in this video lol

I'm disappointed that my first experience with Gen 7 was with Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. While the gameplay and pacing was overall improved, I feel like the whole Lusamine arc was undercut and severely toned down, leading to an unsatisfying experience.

I like how Pokémon has these really elaborate plot devices and half the villains wouldn't be out of place from something like Jojo, and then it's completely juxtaposed by them being clapped by a mere chipmunk faced child, in a child's hobby.

It's like Lusamine saw herself as the "Aether" Paradise Protection Protocol...

Losing yourself is perhaps one of the most terrifying things that could happen to anyone.

I prefer replaying USUM, but I really wish they wouldn't have changed Lusamine's story so much. They could have built on the story as a whole and truly made it the definitive versions.

lol, it's funny because you've made that video wile i was busy drawing that Nihilego form but with Volo instead of Lusamine, i just thaught it would be fun to do and it was, plus they have the same colors palette and that reminded me of a theory by Bird keeper Toby 🤔😁

Not only is Lusamine dark in the story but also the rule 34 fandom is also rather dark

I’m glad people are still talking about Sun and Moon all these years later. I was bored with it at first honestly and only pretty recently finished it. The story is great, the postgame is great, and I love shiny hunting in these games. Can’t wait to give USUM a try soon as well 😊 Edit for a small P.S.: Lusamine is exactly who I think of when I hear the term “toxic feminity.” She’s like the picture of it, her whole thing is overprotective mother cranked up to 11. And it’s not without reason; Lusamine herself is likely also traumatized by the sudden loss of her husband.

The original Sun and Moon’s story is so much better than Ultra Sun/Moon’s story.

Lusamine in Anime:I care about pokemon and my children but I got abducted by a alien pokemon Lusamine in games:I DONT CARE ABOUT MY CHILDREN OR POKÉMON I JUST CARE ABOUT MY SWEET SWEET NINHELIGO AAAAAAAA

7:17 just the pikachu alone proves she's heartless😡🔪

The biggest misstep of Sun/Moon is that GF was too afraid to not make a player insert and just make Lily the MC of the game.

oh my god I've only watched the sun and moon anime I didn't know lucamine freaking DIED

This was my favorite pokemon storyline, and I was pissed when I played through UsUm and found out they butchered it

Nando home ? You told Noone why please save ne

truly one of the insane pokemon moments ever

I feel like Lusamine peaked at the original SM games. USUM kinda softened her character and made her palatable, almost as if she gets a pass for being the only woman supervillain in Pokémon at that point thus far. But if there's any takeaway from USUM that I actually really loved, it's Mohn showing up in Aether Foundation, not knowing who Lusamine is and Lusamine deciding to let Mohn go. That scene broke my heart into millions of pieces.

Nihilego actually reminds me of human 'parasites', they create a sense of dependency and cause erosion in their target's relationships. They do so by causing them to believe everyone is betraying them, isolating them from other people (Gladios and Lily). They then provide 'support and caring' once their victim is feeling betrayed and inferior and make it so that they are the only one their victim can rely on. Lusamine was the opposite of 'freed', her dependency is akin to stockholm syndrome.

9:20- 10:04 Mega props for creating all of this 👏 did you do like a study or something?

There's actually more to Lusamine having "no ego;" Freud based the triad of superego, ego, and id, off of older philosophical beliefs of the human person being made up of the mind, will and body, these beliefs go back all the way to at least Egypt probably even farther. In these ancient traditions view the mind/superego as symbolized by the head, the body/id as symbolized by the bowels or guts, and the will/ego as symbolized by the heart. In other words, Lusamine is heartless.

12:39 No. Not merely several. All those squares lining up the walls in the background? Those are all the same containers with cryo-preserved pokemon. Personally, I like to think, aside from the horror factor, that it was a slight jab at players with Living-dex collections in their PC boxes or Pokebank. Either way, realization of that hit me hard.

That thumbnail is giving me Persona 5 vibes! New subscriber!

And those kicks are straight dad approved!!

Never got to play this, Didn't think it would ruin the story because I played Ultra Moon, BUT DANG DID ULTRA MOON AND SUN butcher this story, I never got to see the extreme of her mom! She doesn't merge with anything in Ultra Moon... WOW Now I get why they say The story is 10x better in sun and moon

I'll say it right here, Lusamine may very well be the best villain in all of pokemon

You knocked this out of the park!

Great analysis 👍🏾

I still love Anime Lusamine while she still has her..goals and well thoughts she’s not as insane as her Game counterpart she cares and loves her kids and they come first to her before anything else.

I was never able to play the sun and moon games because i didn't have smth thats compatible in the game And this looks amazing! :D And it was hilarious when u called gladion an angsty boi with french fries strapped on his head XD 4:07 Reminds me of anya face is this where she got it- At least in the pokemon sun and moon anime she is different and kinder

lusamine in the sun and moon games was such a good villain i wish we had more villains that were actually insane instead of being just normal people who occasionally do something slightly wrong

we're waiting... for Pokemon Masters' Alola Villain Arc.... MC&Solgaleo for EX soon huhu.... I am waiting for Lusamine&Nihilego :O

Well done!

Holy cow I never played usum but I can't imagine the trauma on Lillie

the french fries😂😂

I miss those 3DS pkmn games, they were amazing!

Wow, no wonder much of this was retconned in USUM.

One of the best stories and they had the gall to tone it down in USUM. Shame

Lusamine was so hardcore that the franchise tried to retroactively make her a good guy, which ironically ruined her entire story.

Yeah this is really different to the vilains we have in pokemon now...

I headcanon that lusamine is another descendant of volo just makes sense to me (like I said it's just a headcanon it's not Canon as far as I'm aware)

Those shoes vessi look solid

Sun and Moon anime Lusamine is a saint compared to her game counterpart.

all this insanity from the first sun and moon game, a shame it got ultra nerfed in the ultra games and the anime..... of course scarlet and violet would show us what'd happen to Lusamine if she did go even further than she did in the original, unimpeded by kids: she'd probably be as dead as Sada and Turo! in a sense, the 3 are pretty similar, the only difference is Lusamine got interferred with in time, while no one was there to stop either Sada or Turo from going into the deep, and in the end they technically died alone when their paradox lizards fought each other and killed the professors by accident....

Id say Pokémon needs to evolve no pun intended, in its story and characters. And other aspects. We need more stories like this one and sv .

French fries strapped to his head… bro. You make life better

3:55 look behind the text

I never play sun and moon, but i watched they gane play, and when lusamine appeared, i thought she would be an Allied, but they twist that she was they villan, came as a shock.

Man this description of toxins and inhibitions. I’m struggling atm with alcoholism.

hopefully we can get a remake (not counting ultra sun/moon) I miss poke pelago and the small customization options characters ah nastolgia

I want a Pokémon game focused on the villains

And this isn't even mentioning how she took advantage of a broken man and manipulated him into doing her bidding. She even bought him a damn boat, which I forgot about before seeing it in this video. It was so much more than just 'hiring' him and his gang. Simply hiring him wouldn't have been enough to make anyone jump through a wormhole after her into an unknown alien dimension. There's obviously so much more going on under the surface of that toxic relationship that I would just love to see unpacked.

You leave Mr. Mime out of this

FINALLY SOMEONES TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT THE STORY IS FOR THIS GAME IS. S/M is my favorite game for just that alone. ((Also ultra beasts))

Wait, striping someone of their ego and super ego is still SOMETHING

Wonder what humanity would do with Nihilego?

A dream that took over you're life so badly, you nearly lost your entire family.

I think it would be a good new step to make pokemon lore and scenarios evolve in an interesting manner. I mean, all fans toddlers of the franchise have grown up since the first versions. It's time to be less naive about illegal animal fight

I wonder, is anime Lusamine as crazy as her Game counterpart I think no the Anime version seems to care about Lillie and when fused with Nhilego it seems to more on the UB then her.

Geebus I completely forgot how this story went..guess that means I need to replay Sun and US

So are you gonna do one for every game now lol

personally id love a qraphics reboot for the switch on this game

That game was the best - haven't played any new ones

Lusamine is my favorite pokemon villain, but favorite evil team is team galactic

I actually hate how they changed lusamines character in addition to a few of the others between s/m and us/um

Would you fuse with a Diglett or a Dugtrio?

Now imagine if we actually battle mother beast lusamine the normal way or possibly if mother beast get a spin off series. 😏

Atleast Lusamine in the Anime is not a sicko, psycopath, evil