Hey dude, I'd love to come on your channel and talk about things! I think you made some valid points here, but also some points that aren't entirely accurate. But I'm definitely down for a conversation :) Love the channel!
If you guys are going to be boxing, I'd like to offer my services as a boxing coach. It won't be boxing advice, per say, but I'll teach you guys how to do it. Anyway, I enjoyed the vid. You're 100% right and 100% wrong. Keep punching.
yea that's why everything just keep going up. Investors selling to other investors right? You're right though how many pokemon sets from years past have actually ever gone up in value? Probably a very low % of them. The last era of Sword and Shield are probably still cheep as hell. I do like evolving skies though. Maybe ill go buy some cause its probably so cheep still. This stuff is fun to open but imagine thinking it can go up in value? lol all these investors are probably underwater.
@@WeyHighDesigns I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or what but evolving skies is not cheap buddy and the reprints are done for it. They might print more in a celebration or anniversary set but evolving skies along with every other sword and shield is only going up from here on out.
Yea this makes sense, same thing that’s happening in the finance community. People make their money on giving advice, not using it. With how financially charged Pokémon cards and collectibles are this all makes sense though. I tested market content but didn’t like it. Feels cheap with 0 value for the viewer.
Indeed. I was thinking about that when you said you were going to give out your toilet paper drawings. I bet at least one of them ends up on eBay. It's inevitable. 😂
At the end of the day, 99% of all Pokémon cards/TCG products go up in value over time. It really doesn’t matter what you “invest” in if your end goal is to make money in 5-10 years. Sure some sets out perform others, but it’s quite obvious which of those sets it’ll be. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist tell 151 will out perform sv base. And it surely doesn’t take a 20 minute video to get this point across either 😂 poke investors are actually more in it for the content. The mask their investment knowledge with general hobby knowledge to elongate watch time. Thank you for tuning into my Ted talk
I agree, thats why someone like Rudy only posts a video like once a month on pokemon cause thats all the updates it really needs. The pokemon investment channels just make weekly vids to make more money so they can put it back into/pay off pokemon boxes. But JLUV's vid is saying that pokemon boxes arent even investable at all lmao. Nostalgia nomics clearly disproved this in his video response to him.
Ya this guy ending it with calling Pokemon "unpredictable" kinda voided everything he raised prior, as the numbers he chooses to ignore will tell you just how predictable it actually is. I think it just bothers him more that its a silly reality, but still a reality nonetheless.
The South Park prime drink episode reminds me of this. Insider trading, parasocial craziness, talking like ppl are 10 year olds and ppl commenting just for a chance at free cards. Thank you for saying this.
A lot of respect for posting this. Basically every other RU-vidr I watch wouldn't dare talk shit about Poke Investing. Can we just go back to collecting and trading cards for fun like when we were kids?
The great thing about this hobby is the freedom to collect whatever piques your interest. Be it a specific Pokemon, Master Sets or even sealed boxes. Although in my opinion, boxes are meant to be ripped open so you can enjoy the cards inside but I understand the perspective of collectors who prefer to keep them sealed. Don't misunderstand me; I am aware that many of my cards will likely appreciate in value over time; it's just the nature of the hobby. But stuff like that really doesn't matter to me since I won't be selling them anyways.
I was expecting a lot worse from what I'd heard about this video. Turns out I agree with most of your concerns. I enjoy speculating in Pokémon but the risks are rarely talked about by these channels. The only one I see consistently talking about risk is PokeOz but he's an anomaly.
Hey mate, I really enjoyed the video and seeing your view on things. It would be amazing to join you in a live stream I can put the kettle on, sit down and just have a good chat. Also could give a different view on things from a UK perspective. Big Fan of the channel and keep doing what you doing!
@@zacharyking9850 can you do me a favour? can you look above your comment, read it out loud, record yourself reading it and then send it to okJLUV on Instagram? that way i know 100% that you read it. thanks man
Honestly, most of these people just aren’t patient enough. The price of your precious set is down? Ok, then wait until it gets back up to a price you’d be ok selling it at. Running out of storage? Try selling some other kind of item or get a storage unit. If your main goal is making money, you also have to be prepared to lose money, the best way to counter that is if you simply wait a couple of years. This will most likely make money - whether that be a $5 profit or a $50000 dollar profit. Just don’t forget, this is a children’s card game, it’s not meant to be that serious, have fun first and foremost and everything else will follow.
5:11 it's illegal to give financial advice in the USA w/o being a practicing licensed financial advisor. Financial folk say 'not financial advice' to save their ass in the event that someone with more money than them sues them for losses due to their advice. but back to Pokemon,
I’m over the whole investing craze bs. They’re shiny paper cards, I buy and own them because I enjoy looking at them. Not as a future retirement fund, not to stash in a closet for decades on end, but to again, ENJOY them. When RU-vidrs are opening Base Set Charizards and their reaction is “oh, cool…” they’ve lost the plot, great video man 🤙
I'm not an investor but I do think there is at least SOME predictability with prices in terms of longterm investing (5+ years) because prices will always go up once a set is out of rotation and out of print. Definitely right now the price of 151 is hard to predict but in 2-3 years I dont think it will be. Pokemon very rarely if ever reprints sets that have gone out of rotation. Sure there was a brief period where random XY or SM sets were put into SwSh era products but those were probably one offs of old stock that they were just trying to get rid of or maybe were used as a last resort with the supply chain issues during the pandemic. We haven't seen anything like that at all in SV products.
@@monkey39128 I think they are like 106/106 on going up after 5 years...booster boxes that is... no there are no guarantees but true data show its safer than most.
@@monkey39128 Fair point. But even the most unpopular sets from earlier gens have gone up, albeit a lot less than others. Like even a pack of the hated Steam Siege is going for 2x MSRP these days.
Life’s a gamble …there will always be winners and losers, how much do you want to win and how much will you lose depends on how much you’re willing to risk. I started investing in pokemon after I paid off my properties, prior to that I only had a small collection of vintage cards, and now I’m sitting on a healthy amount of sealed products. If it all turns to 💩 tomorrow I’ll only lose what I’ve spent, and nothing more. My tip is spend what you can afford to lose, and don’t try catching ships that have already set sail.
That last part is the bit that's worrying. People buying into Evolving Skies at current prices are taking on way more risk than the guys that bought at retail.
@@monkey39128 …Yes, no matter what price you’re paying there’s always an element of risk involved, the greater the risk is more about whether you can afford that price without impacting your livelihood, because someone can even go broke at retail prices if they’re careless with their money.
That isn't life, that's called being a slave to a exploitive ideology that you always lose in, unless you know how to cheat the system. How you think rich people are made? They sure don't work for their money I will tell you that rn.
Companies can also always issue more shares, crypto coin can also create more “coins” you’re comparing something tangible to data and numbers. Yes the Pokémon company can run reprints but are they? Especially after rotation? It’s not random when it’s all been the same way for the last 25+ years.
What people don't understand is that the mere demand is driven by speculation. So the initial sales of 151 is driven largely by an investment interest rather than a genuine interest. When the interest in accumulating more than one needs fades there is no real strength in any of these sets. It is only the desire to ACCUMULATE that drives the market. There is enough for everyone but the people want more and more and to hoard it all! Lol People on RU-vid just don't get that. The investment nonsense has to stop.
The bottom will fall out eventually. Doubt it'll happen soon but it'll be interesting to see what happens in 10-15 years when everyone plans to unload.
Yeah remember when TAG TEAM GX: Tag All Stars was cheap and nobody wanted to buy it? There were so many boxes out there. It was released like 2019, right? Who is gonna buy them in 5 years when there're so many of them, right? LMAO.
@@toolshed0513 im still glad to see so much fear and fud out here. It makes me feel even more bullish on my sealed .i only started since december and was advised to go heavily into swsh alt arts and booster boxes of fusion strike and LO. i picked them up for under msrp. the only asset I have that has outperformed that is bitcoin.
I think that some RU-vidrs like PokeOz believe in what they’re talking about. Repetitive messages like only invest no more than 5% of your total investment portfolio in the ‘fun’ investment (collectable fun), try to never stress about it and it’s all about supply and demand even though Pokemon rules for printing to demand (no trampling over fellow Pokemon shoppers needed). Along with Twice Baked Jake, I think they’ve posted their collections on tracking apps for the public to roast and they’ve done well but it’s not like a gold mine that many investment RU-vidrs may be spruiking.
I still haven't opened any 151 packs just because of how crazy it got. I missed the MTO and now I keep missing the drops on amazon and PCJ. It's annoying because I want to open them, compared to most people who are buying the stocks out who only want to "invest" or resell
Pokémon releases a set like Temporal Forces that is first set post-rotation, primarily geared towards players, and then investors are scratching their heads on "how do I get collectors to fomo on a set primarily aimed towards players?". As a player the real stonks imo are in figuring out what $1-2 bulk V/Vstar/ex card is going to become meta and 3x-10x in value after becoming meta relevant like entei v did a few months back or dialga v/vstar did recently.
I think alot of your points paint a pretty narrow picture of why people are speaking to certain cards/events in the market and you assume somewhat nefarious or harmfully selfish motivations from several the content creators you showed as examples. So imo you raise some good points for discussion but overall are misrepresenting the Pokemon Investing Community (which overlaps dramatically with the collecting community, unsurprisingly). Id love to see a conversation between you and PokeOz whos content is genuinely positive, helpful and community conscious. I see the PokeOffice also commented and would like to collaborate. Please do pursue that. I would also encourage (and i think the community would appreciate) a broader discussion between you and NostalgiaNomics. He already made a response video to this post so the cross jab sort of video back at video format is already happening and leading to a lesser discussion than could be had if you actually got on a stream together. But in fairness your video was the first shot so i think it all would be better handled moving forward if y'all just had a discussion and didnt publicly question each others motivation/morals while assuming (and if not assuming, heavily implying) malintent. Anyways tho I'm looking forward to the hopefully constructive conversation all this should elicit. Keep it coming.
A company can always issue more shares. To be clear I'm not the one that make the comparison between stocks and pokemon cards. But yeah even with like gold and most other assets the supply keeps growing. Demand is generally more important than additional supply in all these cases.
exactly!!! Companies just selling more stocks or splitting shares is one of the main reasons I cashed out of the stock market. Its 100% more risky than any hard asset investment you can make. Seen $10k worth of stock plummet to 3k in a day because they sold more than half their current cap as extra additional shares for much less than market was at that time. Literally saying F U to investors. You can't compare the 2 at all. It's like comparing stocks to investing in land. They aren't the same and only commonalities are that they both cost money.
Long-time viewer here, been subbed on my alt account for a while and always try to catch the streams. Like you, I love picking up older Japanese cards of my favorite artists for the collection. My Aya Kusube binder is one of my most cherished items. I was surprised to see some of my thumbnails and even one of my clips in this video. Feel flattered, I guess lol. I wanted to write this comment because I hope I'm not being grouped with the typical investor bro channels. My channel has always been about collecting first, and recently, I started to talk about the "investing" side simply because I am interested in it and want to help people make better-educated purchases. I never outright tell people to buy something, emphasize not overspending, and reiterate that nobody knows what will happen in the future. For example, I made a video about Masterballs last year that got me quite a bit of negative feedback because I cautioned people not to buy them due to reprints... If only one person didn't overspend on Masterballs because of my video, I feel like I've achieved my goal. I also try to give people information as someone who sees what's happening on the ground in Japan, which most often results in me trying to cool people's FOMO. I even stopped opening the new sets last July when everything was going crazy because I didn't want to feed the hype. I announced that in a video where I talked about hype and FOMO. Nowadays, I feel comfortable publicly discussing prices, opening sets, and showing modern cards because cards and boxes are finally affordable again. Sorry for the long comment, but I just felt like I needed to explain this in hopes that people who see my name in your video would not misunderstand what my content is about. Either way, great video with a lot of important information! Thanks for making it.
Ppl saying unbreon V was pumped by Rev aren't looking at evolving skies as a whole. All the prices have been going up. I personally love the fact that I can buy Japanese boxes at just about msrp again. I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
People want to believe the nonsense rather than simple truth. Hence the popularity of conspiracy theories, "pumping", "market manipulation", "scalpers" etc. They want to believe fairytale and act like they're way smarter than kid next block.
I think it’s a little disappointing to say these people don’t enjoy the thing they spend hours talking about, and that they don’t believe in what they say. I think it’s also a little disingenuous to talk about the over saturation of these creators when you yourself fill that trope of a clickbait title/thumbnail like “THIS PERSON DID THIS!” With a big arrow pointing to something and your face looking surprised. I also fundamentally disagree with you saying that “anything” can be reprinted and send it crashing down. That’s not true at all. Just because a quarter was minted in 2024 doesn’t mean it will undermine the value of a quarter from like 1900. Likewise, after a certain point, there IS a finite amount of cards once sets have permanent stopped printing, like vintage, mid eras and stuff like Sun and Moon. Also Bitcoin doesn’t have a finite amount…. Ever heard of mining? And to say that there is 0 predictability is flat out WRONG. If a card is impossible to pull, of course it will be worth more and more. Think of the Umbreon. If you actually were to watch people like Poke Office and PokeOz, you would see them talking about the NEGATIVE parts of people creating artificial hype, creating videos specifically to manipulate etc. They enjoy collecting just as much as anyone. To paint them in a negative light and use their names and videos is a bit sad.
@@iMixMaSteR1 Bro any stock can have more shares issued. It’s LITERALLY CALLED STOCK DILUTION. Google it. “Stock dilution happens when additional shares of a company's stock become available to investors.” If you’re going to act educated on a subject, at least do some homework. Literally just Google “can companies create more stock” This applies to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is able to be mined until approximately 2140. So while there is a “finite” supply, it’s not in the way you’re saying. Everything is finite to some extent but again, saying that no bitcoins can be made/mined is just flat wrong. You can even hire blockchain development companies to create a new coin or token. You must think that the USA has a finite amount of money 😂
Great Video! Someone needed to say that. Thanks. Of course everybody is talking about „Don‘t Fomo“ on their investing Channel, what‘s happening next? The viewers are mostly thinking about missing out and have Fomo 😂 classic. I think way to many investing Channels are trying to predict something out of mostly nothing. I love the collecting part and of course I am happy when the card or box is holding or even rising in value. But thats not the main reason. Having fun ripping packs and trying to get my personal chase card. So again for all of you out there, don‘t fomo on Sword and Shield 😉
Your thinkings a little skewed man. There are reprint windows that's a well acknowledged inherent risk, but Pokemons not gonna just go back and straight up reprint older sets 1:1 because that would damage their branding. They may create newer sets with reprinted old cards but thats been proven in many different TCGs to not really affect the original values much if at all. I believe the latest reprint we received on a set was with Hidden Fates and that was what 3 years after release? So yeah still very modern.
yeah it's just like stocks you can't all in on one stock or say if you're in US you have to diversify and add foreign mutual funds to your retirement portfolio. reduces risk. people are going to learn the hard way of course. just remember buy low sell high, going to profit off my english alt arts and buy more japanese alt arts i like for super cheap.
Thanks for this. If anything, the past 4 years laid bare the wild volatility of this whole thing. Also, anyone 'investing' in cardboard has to warehouse and store the product for however many years, in a finished portion of their home or a storage unit; everything has a cost. Always seemed wild to me.
@@XingCollectables I guess this starts an internet argument, but with all due respect, I have the room to store and the money to invest but we don’t invest in commodities.
Also you have to remember a lot of these influencers are sponsored by the Pokémon company, they get free cards and perks from the company directly so they will shill for the company on certain things. Especially when the stolen alt art cards incident happened many influencers went hard in the paint saying that it didn’t effect pull rates. We all know it did
I mean you're right its become overblown and over-talked about. But there is something to sealed booster boxes rising in value over time. You do see it happen over and over again and some sets feel like they are obvious, others are not so obvious. While there may be a ton of 151 printed, there is also a ton of people who love the set and would love to open multiple booster boxes. I've only opened a single box of 151 because the prices have been so high. But now that the prices have dropped, I plan to open more. I think a large chunk of the supply will just get opened and absorbed. I actually do think a set as special and well loved as 151 is a good investment if you have a longterm view (3-10+ years). If you are counting on it making your rich in the next couple of years you will likely be disappointed. But if you sit on a few boxes, it would not surprise me if they slowly go up for the years in value. Seems like a valid investment. And then you can roll that money into other parts of the hobby. Just my $0.02
Very valid points, and sober thoughts from someone who isnt immersed in the subject matter have inherent value. That said, in a business thats driven by the psychology of a fandom, being a fan, bring immersed and understanding that psychology pays off. And the human behavior leavs a trail of data. The shiny object syndrome is real, but one can tell whats shiny and guess closely or exactly whats next in line
I have about 20% of my capital in Pokemon (my career is a developer in real estate) and it’s served me well year after year. You can’t fight statistics and data.
It’s funny how there’s so many ppl making these videos about sealed product buying it how your gonna miss out if you don’t get in don’t buy singles meanwhile they’re buying all the singles and by the time the singles are double in price a month later they’re like you all missed out.
You sound upset that you dont understand pokemon investing. The you tubers you are calling out are at least nice people. Did someone hurt your feelings?
u investor guys are made out of tissue paper. someone says maybe it’s not a great idea to tell ppl to invest in pokemon cards and you all come crying to my comments. it’s beautiful really
Your replies show how you feel. It's pokemon. Humans shouldn't be acting the way you are. It shows huge insecurities when you call people out then hide. You should look in the mirror and figure out what actually happened I your life to make you this angry. It will all be ok🫂
I want to buy the Japanese 151 for my own collection, but I’m not going to drop $100+ for it. I will however buy the new sets for $40 and under because why not? Japanese booster boxes have better quality cards and are fun to open when you have a guarantee hit.
If anyone is thinking of making a RU-vid Channel, please showcase your collection or cards that mean a lot to you. We have enough people make silly investment videos. 🙏🏾
I have to disagree with you on several of your points @okjluv no one that I'm aware of in the "investing" niche is telling viewers to go all in on any given product. There's a bunch more I disagree with but I'll make a video pointing each out
When I can't sell a LO Master set with all promos for 1k NZD you know the prices have tanked hard. Sealed is the only place investing matters but yeah hard pass.
@@DegenCollector i am "stupid and irresponsible" because i've suggested people don't take the advice of youtubers when it comes to investments. OK. you can argue that people shouldn't heed my advice advising that, but 1 of those 2 is guaranteed to save them money. so how exactly am i being irresponsible?
@@okJLUVyou should read this in front of the mirror. Doesn't really make sense. It shows how triggered you were by the comment. You are posting publicly if you didn't realize... Not looking too intelligent with this, little buddy.
In 2020 not only did lots of original pokemon fans return to the hobby but many people trying to take advantage of others and only seeing the product as a means to make financial gain. I enjoy watching trade show videos and such but sometimes I wonder if anybody actually intends to keep their cards as a prized possession or just see it as a way to make money down the road.
i totally agree. It feels like my feed is pushing me to buy sword and shield boxes or alt arts. Because all those poketubers tell me to buy them now before it's to late. No worries we don't fomo.
You are going to regret not following that advice, yes, Sword & Shields boxes will go up, after next rotation there will be no box under 200. Do not buy if you do not want, but do not cry later, when you be in a position looking for that box or product and can not buy it anymore, because it is too expensive.
just bc alot of youtube is trending towards investing, but i dont even think thats true. its mostly openings. Either way doesnt mean its bad to invest. If anything it means the opposite that more holders are coming in, real long term buyers with nostalgia. Now the part about better places to park your money? I think Alex from Nostalgia destroys your argument to pieces. I prefer a well balanced porfolio. I keep gold/silver, crypto, art, some cash always, stocks and collectibles now makes up a nice chunk. Real estate if the opportnity arises. The returns have already been pretty unreal just over the past 5 months when i entered esp LO and FS BB now irl is it oversaturated? go ask 5000 ppl in the real world if they invest in pokemon much less collect.....go ahead i'll wait. Now go ask 20k ppl. How many do you think willl you find that collect much less invest in pokemon. were talking english not jp or korean and we are talking about Booster boxes in english. Not tins, or other garbage
So I think you make some good points in this video, but from a very short term view. I agree that while short term investing in Pokémon is random and unpredictable, you can still treat holding sealed product as investment. Much like stocks in a way - Pokémon sealed product has a historical trend of growing in value over time. A Booster Box of XY Base set 10 years ago went for $140 MSRP (with some LGS’s selling them for $80-$100) and today they are worth $1200 a box. And that’s not even a popular set. Flash Fire is $3500 a box and that was the set right after. I think treating this hobby as a fun card collecting game, but taking a minute to hold some sealed product LONG TERM is the way to go. So maybe that’s the information you were missing in this discussion. Just my two cents.
Who tf is buying those at those prices. Barely anyone. The biggest difference now is that everyone is hoarding boxes thinking those price will hit. And even if they go to 400 a box the liquify just won’t be there to offload that much supply. The boxes will go up but 1) not as much as people believe and 2) all of this is only going to lead to a massive liquidity problem later on or 3) everyone finally says it’s time to unload and the prices go back down anyways because pretty much everyone has the inventory of a small lgs stashed away of swsh booster boxes
@@MatchesPeaches even with 1% of the “hobby” investing in sealed that still an absurd amount of product. So when it comes time to sell it will not be as liquid as people believe. People think oh I’m just going to buy X amount of cases of this and it is going to hit 500 a booster box and I’m going to sell and get my money. It’s most likely going to be 1 booster box sold a month or the market just becomes flooded again and prices tank.
Thank you Jluv! There is always a lot of Fomo and pumping going on, but people should stop chasing every hype just for the opportunity of some quick cash. ._.
Your comments about property and its historical data being more solid is interesting, suggesting that this is an asset that one can inadvertently not realise the inherent risks when something only goes up in value. Consider the full history of property in Japan, Germany, the US and many other smart countries, halving and decade(s) of stagnant property prices. The argument is not that property won’t always go up in value, but that many people have been burned by jumping on the property train because of this argument. Australia is unique, but as you say, until the train reaches that later station. Surely we must be closer to that station given that people are expected to now tip their super into paying off their mortgage just before retirement. The argument that you can benefit from the shelter of property as the reason why it will always go up doesn’t explain why if the next day, everyone just agreed that property was double the value, it would be! Yet the intrinsic value has not changed. Australia is unique in that economic prosperity is population growth. No need for innovation. Just keep being good at dogging things up from the ground unlike the innovators in Japan, Germany and the US. Certainly, this has to be a train that has stops too, but maybe that doesn’t matter if it’s not in our lifetime. Interesting how a main pint you’re raising can be applied to such an elephant around us, namely Australian property.
Many significant events permanently changed the price of property at the expense of those buying later getting arguably burned. Women in the workforce means that parents miss seeing their kids as much as both have to go to work. Sure, an example not unique to Australia, but it reveals a not so good reason why the appreciation of property can be hyped by the historical data.
Is the market really down? Isn t it kinda like it was before eevee heros? I remember buying sky legends for 3800yen and gg end for 3600yen in 2020. Silver lance for 4000yen in 2022. And now we are back to normal with sets at around 4000yen. Vmax climax for 4500yen...It s just the normal buisness (hype) circle. Having a set thats in print for 2x msrp is still way more than we ever had no? Sure it crashed but there is still a lot of room to fall.
i dont invest in the boxes for money, I invest in the happiness it will get me in a few years when the boxes arent as cheap as they are now, being able to open those boxes at a reasonable price. Thats what pokemon investing is to me
I have the same mindset however if the boxes go up a lot happy days, I will sell, if they don't I'll have fun opening my favourite sets. Problem is people put money in which they can't really afford, very silly.
Whenever making money is involved it feels like we've lost the plot... Collect for the fun of it and if you are in a financial situation to "invest" then make the decision yourself... 🤣
