I think they have a rule that Decidueye is never allowed to be unique in any game he appears in. He has to share the Ghost/Grass niche with Dhelmise in his opening games, and then here in Legends Arceus he has to share the Grass/Fighting role with Hisuian Liligant. And arguably he gets beaten in both roles.
@@ImportedCheese It's better for getting through the main game cause it's faster, but in competitive Dhelmise being able to keep any opponent from switching with Anchor Shot, having a strong Gyro Ball, and getting the Steel Worker bonus on those moves, as well as being very good in Trick Room makes Dhelmise much stronger.
8:12 You should have seen the look on my face when a lvl 4 Drifloon survived an Energy Ball from my lvl 70 Roserade. That's when your point here really sunk in for me.
Gotta love the starters; Samurott, Typhlosion and Lilligant. Great trio. Anyways, regularly I tend to defend Avalugg (at least in competitive) for reasons that don’t really apply to this video, but I won’t defend the Hisuian form. The few things it had are all gone with that rock type. Look how they massacred my boy…
Okay. I need to make one massive correction to make. Blissey is good. Really good. Stupid good. Survived multiple distortion without needing a potion good. Literally soloed both forms of Giratina without items good. Thanks to the lack of EVs and odd stat scaling, Blisseys Special Attack isn’t bad either. Also, it’s low speed is actually not awful. The time it takes for status effects to wear off is based on your own turns, not your opponents, so it’s Calm Mind lasts forever relative to your opponent. With a moveset of Tri Attack, Softboiled, Calm Mind, and Shadow Ball, Blissey was by far my best team member.
I soloed the whole game with blissey and thought that bulk was OP, it felt like I played a different game based on what I'm hearing everywhere. I stumbled into the superboss half health and no items and soloed it with blissey... it was a monster
Pokemon go into "Speed Tiers" based on their Speed stat. The Speed Tier determines the Pokemon's Action Speed "countdown." The game then ticks down all Pokemons' countdowns until one hits 0. That Pokemon gets a turn, then its countdown resets. If two Pokemon would get a turn simultaneously (which is highly likely if you're appropriately leveled), the faster Pokemon goes first. Using an Agile move will either artificially reduce your next move's countdown, or add a "penalty" to the opponent's countdown. Using a Strong move will do the opposite. Moves that were priority moves or speed-boosting moves in the main games now cut your next move's countdown. Moves that were flinch moves or cut the opponent's Speed stat now give your opponent a penalty. Also, stat-boosting moves cut your next move's cooldown as well. If you're using fast "sweeper" Pokemon and always going first anyway, then Agile Style will feel like it never does anything, while Strong always makes you lose a turn. But if you go second, or stack Agile Style with a priority/flinch/speed-altering move on an already-fast Pokemon, you're fairly likely to get to move twice.
With that, Lopunny (with two priority moves), Jolteon and Zoroark are broken. Especially Jolteon can kill Arceus with just Quick Attack. If you can attack twice, use Quick Attack regularly, if you can only attack once, use Quick Attack in Agile Style, so you will be able to attack twice again. If you use Quick Attack regularly, you are likely to be able to attack twice again. Lopunny has both Quick Attack and Mach Punch, it's just not as fast as Jolteon. Zoroark has Shadow Sneak for it. In the end, that strategy works with almost all Pokémon that are fast enough and have at least one priority move. You can test it out at some of the alphas on mount corenet.
So this is a system that prioritizes status and chance flinches over strength and speed (mostly speed) Interesting. Feels more strategic if you know what’s up behind-the-scenes
@@frownyclowny6955 Well, flinch doesn't exist anymore - it's been replaced with the "countdown penalty." And it is fairly strategic in terms of using Agile/Strong style (or boosting/priority moves, or Hyper Beam/Giga Impact) in response to the turn order and the opponent's action. Also, there's more strategy in terms of your choice of Pokemon to send out when yours is KO'ed, because you can easily give your next Pokemon a double turn. However, I think more strategy has been lost in that the game is now a sequential-move game instead of a simultaneous-move game. (Meaning, when you pick your action, you know it's your turn - both players do not pick their action simultaneously, as in the main series games.) The only strategy that this really adds is the usefulness of "parting shots" - not the move, but the idea of "going out with a bang." Suppose you have a Pokemon out against the opponent, and yours is about to get KO'ed, and you get to choose a move (or switching). Since you know it's your turn, you know you're going to get your move off, so you can freely use moves that pay off now for a drawback later with effectively zero drawback. (Strong Style, Hyper Beam / Giga Impact, and other moves that give you a countdown penalty)
Something that makes Alakazam and co. a lot better this time around is that trade evos just evolve with an item now. Just link cable is all you need to get Gengar, Machamp, Golem, etc. This makes it where you don’t need someone else to trade with you to unlock very powerful Pokémon.
Good god that Avalugg. Does GF seriously not know how bad that combo is? Like they do terrible type combos this often enough that it can't be an accident.
I caught a shiny kricketune in my first 2 hours of playing the game and the grit system allowed it to be at least semi-useful for the entire game, I think it was actually the one to kill giratina with night slash. I also use the shiny mantyke I caught from the coastlands the rest of the game and it ended up being pretty useful too. That's why I love grit because it allows you to actually use Pokemon that aren't that good normally
What really pisses me off about Decidueye’s treatment by GF since Sun and Moon was just; Why is it so slow!?!! It’s an agile archer owl Pokémon - all things screaming high speed stat, but no. And then when there was a glimmer of hope with its Hisuian form, THEY MADE HIM SLOWER! What do they have against my boy!? 😭😭
And for a random reason, I will tell you my personal Decidueye experience. I didnt pick him on moon, but for ultra sun I was going to pick him as rowlett, box him, and transfer a squirtle and use him as a starter instead. A friend stopped me, she said she would pick that Rowlett and made him strong, and take me down with it someday. Kinda like with Paul and Infernape. Time went by, and our teams clashed. Blastoise and Decidueye faced each other quiet early on... And Decidueye would just die to dark pulse. Time and time again. Tbf, Mega Launcher was quiet a strong advabtage, however the fact that Mega Blastoise would just outspeed Decidueye everytime, was just... welp, no comment. That Decidueye never did anything remarkable... That would not be the end of this Blastoise vs Decidueye feud however. Years later we both got into Pokken on switch. Now in a fighting game, and a whole different gameplay, maybe Decidueye would get to win? Yes, and no. She may have won maybe a few rounds with its easy and spammable combo atacks. But once I learned how to counter it (water gun + dragon pulse spam), she could not win even a round. But now you may ask, what about actual good decidueye players? Welp, Im no great or anything, but I did beat a pretty cocky decidueye guy on a tier up match. Pretty epic finale. We both were at like 10 hp and I won with the burst atack. And now in Legends, my team included both Typloshion and Samurott (the perfect stats one from Home), and instead of Decidueye, Liligant. I didnt even knew Liligant was that great, she just looked more appealing to me. And so my experience with Decidueye has been welp, I just see it as a joke...
i love how the useful tier has more negative space in terms of the artwork, which implies that the pokemon in it are skinnier/spindlier, which itself suggests a greater speed stat... which matches up perfectly with your criteria
Something that I noticed is that agile style doesn't raise your action speed. It lowers your opponent's. This makes it absolutely worthless in multi-battles because you are actively making your offensive opportunity significantly worse to make one opponent move later one time. Meanwhile the other 4 pokemon are just gonna 4 make you faint before your next turn anyway, so why bother. However, on faster pokemon with priority it can be downright stupid in single battles. In the final battle my underleveled hisuian zoroark got like 5 turns in a row between shadow sneak, agile style, and kos.
I think sneasler is also super good for catching since it’s probably the most effective false swipe user in the game, plus crush claw has a decent chance of inflicting status
@@ImportedCheese I never changed my mind about buying a pokemon game from leaks before LoA. Sneasler and enamorous convinced me to not buy it until I saw the full release
This game made me love crobat. The good attack stat and the speed is just too useful in Arceus, plus it gets a little bit of sustain with leech life, for what that's worth. The only bad part is that air slash is its best flying stab, which is mediocre because 70 SpA. But you can pump it full of rocks to mitigate that anyway so eh.
At first I thought you were using the models from sword and shield on the list, then I noticed it was you blurring them to avoid spoiling the end list I noticed because they look better blurred than they do in Sword and shield
@@ImportedCheese well the most profitable franchise failed to make the work of art I saw an indie RU-vid channel make out of legends arceus clan leaders and their legendaries, although a bit... Bizarre
Honestly, if they made H-Avalugg's speed lower and Sp Def higher, it probably would be better than normal Avalugg in Doubles. Better Trick Room speed, weakness to Bulldoze for Weakness Policy memes, stab Stone Edge/Rock Slide, Mountain Gale's usable, make it less paper specially, etc.
honestly would have rather just given it an actually good defensive type combo.Case and point being ice/ground since its honestly very similar to ice/rock but its an actually good defensive typing at least compared to mono ice and ice rock.And its an insane offensive type which helps give it every little bit of viability.Avalugg is one of my favorite ice types so seeing it get nerfed even more was such a punch in the gut
@@ImportedCheese tyranitar works since sand giving it a special defense boost means it effectively has base 150 special defense.rock dark is an absoultely horrible type combo but ttar gets hard carried by its great stats and pretty good movepool.Hell its not even THAT slow at 61 and if you REALLY want you can give it dragon dance to make it faster but yeah basically ttar has good stats avalugg does not
@@noishfanboy1141 You're right about the sandstorm mechanic but remember that the stat change multiplier doesn't affect the base stats of a pokemon but rather its actual stat so it's a little bit trickier to calculate if you don't know the exact number behind the stat
There is one useful case for using Pokémon to catch things: Distortions. Try throwing globs and/or using Smoke Bombs to sneak without getting ganked and KOed by some Eevee you couldn’t see. It’s just safer to battle.
Regarding agile style: infernape can do ridiculous amounts of damage by spamming agile mach punch and normal mach punch and then when you run out of guaranteed extra turns, go in for the kill with close combat
I think the two Basculegion forms are closer than you give them credit for, due to movepool. It has *no* physical Ghost moves, so you almost have to be some kind of mixed attacker to use both STABs, and Shadow Ball has higher base power and no recoil in comparison to Wave Crash, and 100 accuracy in comparison to Aqua Tail (it's "average power" is higher; 85 power and 90 accuracy mean you average 76.5). It's Ice and Psychic coverage options are both better off of special as well; Ice Beam is stronger than Ice Fang and Psychic, once again, has 100 accuracy to Zen Headbutt's 90. (Crunch is worthless because Dark and Ghost have basically the same coverage, and STAB makes Shadow Ball still stronger on male Basculegion). Aqua Jet is physical of course, which does favor male. Taking move power times attacking stat for a mix of moves, assuming Wave Crash + Shadow Ball + coverage: Female is like 95% as strong with Shadow Ball as male is with Wave Crash (and again, no recoil), they're respective strongest moves, due to the higher base power. Female is stronger with Ice Beam than male is with Ice Fang (male is weaker with Ice Beam than with Ice Fang) The 'total' of move power x attack/special attack x STAB for both STAB moves plus ice coverage is actually higher for female, and it's even more favorable if you also take your Psychic coverage move. tl;dr male Basculegion is 5% stronger when using your strongest STAB move (male Wave Crash is 5% stronger than female Shadow Ball), while female Basculegion is ~10% stronger with it's Ice coverage move and ~8% stronger with it's weaker STAB move (female Wave Crash is 8% stronger than male Shadow Ball). So yeah, I think they're equally 'good', female just trades a small amount of power when spamming one STAB for much better "average" power when using your other STAB *and* Ice coverage. I think the later situations will come up enough that the better 'average' power is desirable, or at minimum makes the two a tossup. I think female can oneshot *more* stuff due to better 'average' coverage (between dual STABs and Ice Beam) than male can.
Good list, and great PREMIUM edit. I've heard a lot of people argue that the Legends Arceus is universally better then then the mainline games, and I think those people aren't a big fan of the combat in pokemon since I found Legends Arceus's combat to be a big step down in everything but speed. Either way I hope they clear up a lot of the issues with the system in a hypothetical sequel to Legends Arceus. Maybe they could give slow bulky pokemon a reason to exist, since as is they're just miserable.
It's a serious problem with a ton of games really. In a turn based game having more turns is such a gigantic advantage, I have no idea how they could balance it with pokemon's mechanics.
@@yoso378 Yeah I think they really backed themselves into a corner. Typically in an rpg with turn order you have ways to make the AI focus on your bulky dude while the rest of your guys go to town, making the fact that the bulky dudes are so slow not really matter since their purpose is just kinda to sit there anyways. Pokemon's Dragon Quest 1 approach to combat obviously means this isn't really an option though :/.
I personally just liked how different the game felt especially after sword and shield being in my opinion the most bland and repetitive pokemon games to date.
@@smollmoth6376 Oh, make no mistake. I very much enjoy the gameplay of Legends Arceus and think it works great for it. I really enjoyed the change of pace, however I enjoy the core battle mechanics of the mainline games and think there's a lot gamefreak could do to shake up the formula without so drastically altering the battle system. (The gamecube games alone are a good example)
hisuian lilligant was sort of my ace on my team when it came to combat, and even solo'd you-know-who's garchomp, since despite a fairly meh defensive type, it was so fast that it often had 3 moves back to back, and had access to recover and status moves, making it nigh unkillable unless it was OHKO'd. without it (and heavy use of the EV items to prevent having to grind 10 extra levels on every team member), I likely would not have finished the postgame. probably one of my favorite regional forms because of that. (For the record my team was Typhlosion, Walrein, Gardevoir, Lilligant, Magnezone, and Overqwil. The team was selected before playing the game because I wanted a mix of old and new pokemon, and all of them were pokemon I've never used on a team before. It's probably my favorite playthrough team I've had in any game.)
Just because something’s slow doesn’t mean it’s not useful. Goodra, Snorlax and Golem carried me through most of the game because they’re so tanky and get so many good coverage moves. Because attacks are so buffed in this game, having a tanky pokémon is just as important as having a speedy glass cannon.
To defend rapidash, hypnosis is sooooo useful and it has decent attack / spec attack that It actually gets the moveset to use. It gets good coverage with poison jab, high horse power, iron head, and wild charge. I used the free shiny on my main team bc it looks cool but it was surprisingly good throughout the game
your right that the current way to pronounce arceus in english is "arc ee is" but the original cannon english pronunciation would be (doing it the "friendly" way) "RC is" as that is how it was in the first movie arceus was in as well as a few other movies after to my knowledge but only around when the official pokedex "app" for the 3ds came out was it officially changed to "arc ee is"
Hisuian Lilligant is my top favorite Pokémon, tied with Garbodor, and I am so happy with how strong it is. Even though it was resisted by the Giratina fight at the end, mine still managed to take it on due to just how strong it is. Really hope it’ll be available in some way in Scarlet/Violet.
@@ImportedCheese not only grit but also i got in so many distortions and maybe was grinding a bit just so I could take Eevee with me :') (his name is Steevee and I love him)
going back and watching this a couple years later and confused. luxray: 70 base speed, 120 base attack, best stab move has recoil, gets crunch and t-wave jolteon: 130 base speed, 110 base sp.atk, best stab move is t-bolt, gets shadow ball and calm mind is the difference in ranking down to acquisition difficulty? Am I overlooking something? EDIT: raichu: 110 base speed, 90 base atk/spatk, best stab move is t-bolt, gets play rough and t-wave, also requires a thunderstone jolteon is definitely at least useful for combat if we're including raichu as useful for catching imo
3 Grass types in the top tier? Does this mean grass type supremacy!!? Oh I’m sorry what? Oh they would be better if they weren’t grass type ok that makes sense 😭
The only negative to H-Typhlosion is that it renders every other fire and ghost type in the game redundant to catch, which is actually a positive for it so #winning
I was going to ignore this game, but I loved platinum so much. To see my Gen 4 staples such as Gallade, Roserade and Staraptor so high on the tier list makes me wanna play.
something odd here. There is no Charizard on the list. Is this really a Game Freak Game? Typhlosion looks like it smoked lots of grass types. Literally. Kinda odd seeing Raichu above Jolteon. What is the reason? Doesn't Jolteon get T-Wave anymore? Lilligant being a CHAD in in-game as always. That Regigigas attack animation looked like it throws dirt or something smelly at its opponent.
Love all your tier list! Any chance at doing Gen 6,7,8? (Just the new additions from each) Possibly ORAS and Let’s Go if you feeling spicy! Keep up the good work.
1:36:15 It's called Lumineon, Phinneon is it's pre-evolution and yeah it has no saving grace both LA and in mainline games. It doesn't even learn any real moves in the main games, at least they gave it hydro pump in LA :^)
Cheese: "Scyther's one of the earliest pokemon with a 500 base stat total" Every single Eeveelution sitting there with 525 BST: "Am I a joke to you?" Like, Umbreon and Vaporeon have an unfortunate focus, Glaceon is Ice type (but is just Special Scizor in offense and speed), but Jolteon is a 525 BST pokemon with 110 base SpAtk, 130 base speed that's available from the very beginning of the game and he just getting some mad disrespect. Could also make cases for Leafeon and Flareon, but at least Jolteon should join his brothers Sylveon and Espeon.
I'm not impressed! Eevee is very annoying rare spawn without space time distortions and evo stones are mining RNG - Scyther is a very reliable catch and every single one of Scyther / Scizor / Cleavor are better than any of the filthy pure type eeveelutions
@@ImportedCheese Scizor and Kleavor need fussy items too but you're right that Scyther is good to go from the start that's fair. I dunno why people think Eevee is hard to catch I found him accidentally and then a Shiny the second time I checked. =p Just a bit odd in a game where we so Speed focused the Speed Eevelution gets ignored. But like you said, easy game is easy, there's like four fights that matter, lol.
It's never going to stop making me laugh that everybody says "Obama-snow" even though it's "Aboma" snow, as in Abominable Snowman. The joke is just too easy and so much more enjoyable than the actual name.
I wasn’t a fan of Samurotts design so I never evolved my Dewott, and I played the game so much on the first day that I had a dewott fighting Kleavor. I had a full level 100 team including my dewott and two random shinies (Dwayne the golem and JayZ the staraptor which I caught flying around) before avalug. Giratina didn’t stand a chance
This list just proves how fundamentally flawed the battle system is in legends, like it was an interesting idea in theory, but they completely botched the execution. This honestly just screams rushed development, they spent the majority of their dev time on the catching mechanics and very little time on anything else.
"I'm assuming you're a filthy casual who's actually trying to have fun!" And since this is Legends: Arceus... you're actually right, because I actually can! Hallelujah!
Say what you want about Blissey, but mine had over 800 HP and singlehandedly beat Giratina with just Draining Kiss, which basically makes it the new devil.
Arceus is the strongest, not because of Judgement, not by being all the types, but by the sheer fact it saw what Volo was doing and rather than deal with it himself-sent you…and then you do it.
I honestly really love what Legends: Arceus did with the combat. It took out the arbitrarily "complicated" stuff layered on top that rarely mattered for ingame playthroughs anyway, and instead made the core combat system _itself_ a bit more involved and interesting. I mean, that's the philosophy of the whole game, if you think about it! Weed out nonsense, make systems more involved and interesting. ... Now watch Game Freak abandon all of it for gen 9. _Watch._
@@ImportedCheese Oh yes, I really miss all that movepool bloat that Pokémon never ever at all had any remote need for. :p As for abilities... meh. Take it or leave it. I never cared that much about them; whenever they truly feel like they matter in a tangible, palpable way, they always tend to just feel _too_ good - and most other times it's more like they don't exist anyway. Especially not in a playthrough.
Me, with my finneon and Lumineon Desk Buddy Plushes at 1:36:00 : =( (But fair. Theyre just like. The most Fish Pokemon Fish Pokemon to ever Fish Pokemon. I wish they became water/fairy or something to at least have something?)
Before seeing any placements the ones that ended strongest for me were Gliscor and Blissey. With Blissey I soloed both the secret final boss and Dialga and Palkia in the 2V1 at the end of the battle tower. my move set was call mind draining kiss Ice Beam recover.
@@ImportedCheese Oh for sure I get that. Although I will say that Blissey Wrecks Arceus with Draining Kiss. He just spams Judgement Fighting and becomes weakk to draining Kiss, so just make sure the Calm Mind is up and he actually can't win, since Blissey's Sp.Def is so obnoxious and now we are healing for super effective deeps
As terrible as ice and rock are together, I would love to see a very fast ice/rock type with technician and both ice shard and accelrock or no guard with icicle crash and stone edge. Defensively, this is absolutely one of the worst types but pretty strong offensively. Just look at weavile and terrakion. It certainly wouldn’t be top tier but I like how GF takes mediocre things and makes them great with a little things like having quiver dance or a strong ability
I did enjoy this game but holy cats the enemy being able to gang up on you and beat you up sucks so bad. They looked at Final Fantasy games, saw the cool CTB from FFX, saw that a bunch of enemies could attack you instead of just 1 and that is all they took. they didn't look at how it worked or anything. I guess I played hard mode cos i never once used grit 😹😹 Obviously they were new at the time so I just assumed the whole EV thing still existed and that grit was like the vitamins.
If you max it's Spd grit and give it a nature like Naive then open with Nasty Plot, it can actually wreck shop with Dark Pulse, Psychic and Shadow Ball. The issue is that you can do the exact same thing with other pokemon and save the Nasty Plot move slot. But, to be fair, it's so cute so it's worth it.
This was the first game that I actually completed the pokedex on official hardware. I definitely leant into this one and played "as intended" i.e. like a filthy casual. It's really fun and fixed a lot of the heartbreak X and Sun gave me. Edit: also, i never played BW or B2W2 so using Samurott was fun!
Lilligant finally getting some goddamn respect. Thanks for the video, finally watched it after finishing PLA myself! Also, please please please can we have a skit of some kind with Obamasnow? Maybe appearing alongside Gumshoos...
I actually think the whole stuff you say about turn order being unfair... I mean, I disagree? Why would it tell you _before the opponent's move_ how their move will influence the turn order? That'd just be cheating. It's your job to _account_ for the opponent possibly having a move that might throw you back - the combat system in Legends: Arceus actually wants you to _think_ for once in this darn franchise. I am _not_ gonna complain about that. xD
@@ImportedCheese Agile Style isn't useless. You just can't spam it as a solution to everything. If you use it in the right situation, it can win you battles you wouldn't have won otherwise. Have solved numerous things with Agile to get double -> Normal or Strong.
You should make a tier list for those that want to beat Arceus on the Eternal Battle Reverie. Is kind of a cool challenge. I managed to beat it some weeks ago. (Spoiler alert: Liligant is still best pokemon.)
I would stick Dusknoir in the why bother tier tbh. That man's movepool is Rapidash shit. A complete dysfunctional mess. And with his low speed and awful base hp, he's not really much of a tank either. I had a shiny one and he got his ass kicked constantly. I got so fed up of him I booted him out into SV... and he's crap there too. You need to catch at least one but there's no reason to ever bring it to a fight.
If only I was there to give you my opinions in _real time,_ but alas, I was not, so I'm just gonna have to give them after the fact. I think you forgot that Alakazam gets hypnosis because it should be way higher. It has a super fast hypnosis, great offensive power with a pretty wide movepool, and calm mind is an option too if you care about wasting a turn to boost stats. Easily one of the best Pokemon in the game, especially because you can catch such a high level alpha super early on. If you've been taking your time getting research points, you can grab this thing pretty early and have it absolutely destroy the rest of the game for you while having great capture utility with hypnosis. I'd honestly consider placing it as _the_ most useful Pokemon in the game with how great it is in pretty much every situation, the fact that you can get the alpha so early, and that even if you are slacking with research points, it still has great availability as Kadabra. -Also, Togekiss gets thunder wave, so it should probably be higher up on useful in my opinion.- Oop, you're right, I'm dumb
Ok this wasn't a horrid tier list but there were some... MASSIVE issues with certain mons. first off, jolteon has the same speed as crobat. while it lacks t wave, it gets quick attack and actually is so fast you can endlessly loop things w/ quick attack. you can also use calm mind with your absurd speed and still attack quite often, which can help him serve the coup de grace w/ a boosted thunderbolt after. Now jolteon DOES have dogshit physical attack but attacking stats aren't AS important in this game as most of your actual damage comes from level vs the actual stat. now espeon can more or less do the same deal as it hits the same speed tier to pull it off long as you got a +speed nature on it. even leafeon could i believe do the same thing. While umbreon isn't as good as it could be, it isn't horrid and w/ calm mind can be very bulky to the point it will take the hits well. due to the aforementioned quirk of attack being less valuable in this game, calm mind blissey also has the same thing but absurd hp. now you'll ofc take a lot from physical moves still, but I think blissey and umbreon are being rather undersold. flareon isn't so hot and neither is glaceon but i feel vaporeon could pull things off similarly to umbreon and due to the whole "offensive stats aren't as important to actual damage" deal, aqua tail and dark pulse on them isn't the worst thing in the world. in fact dark pulse reduces a foe's speed so umbreon isn't AS slow as it'd appear since you can debuff the foe's speed w/ dark pulse effectively. porygon z is amazing but i can understand the placement less for its power (thing has amazing moves, gets t wave, gets recover, has awesome stats overall) but more for how annoying it is to actually GET one in game but it's an excellent pokemon. Now I'm sure you're wondering... "why would recover help?" well... if you hit a mon in the back but instead of attacking recover you can heal on the field and porygon has the attack to kill said random mon next turn before it goes so it gets free heals. you can do a similar tactic w/ rest on some bulky pokemon so they won't eat your supplies as much at all between battles too! Theres a lot of tactics you can use to make pokemon good though. but give some of those mons a chance they're actually pretty good if used right!
Vaporeon was actually so good in my playthrough, because while it is kinda slow, in battles where the thing was going to be fast anyways, it takes hits like a hoss and can do good damage, even though water pulse kinda sucks
@@ImportedCheese that's fair, but in Arceus sometimes you don't get a choice since the turn system is so wonky. It was also something I could reliably switch in if I had no cover moves to handle something
Espeon is still a gigachad in competitive singles. Magic bounce+350 speed+359 sp atk is insane on psyspam teams. Especially with terrain+expanding force. Niche for sure, but my god is it secretly strong AF.
@@ImportedCheese so on a mono psychic or mostly fast psyspam team, defog and spin aren't guaranteed. It isn't a *common* set, but expanding force+shadow ball+grass knot+zap cannon gets niche use on teams from ru up to Ubers that really have no other hazard control options. Since the set runs zap cannon it's obviously not good, but I'm always shocked by the damage output, 130 special attack is insane, and your heatran taking 45% and getting paralyzed from something it allegedly counters is annoying.
hisuian electrodes Chloroblast is INSANE. sneasler is god tier, long sneasel is best sneasel. rampardos wasnt that hard to find, i get alot of cranidos, got like 500+ attack post level 85 with grit hisu braviary is like, crappy offbrand lugia *they fixed the cresselia bug actually* , and shes really op ingo has harder fights past arceus if you wanna challenge some of your teams sky shaymin loses form at night, same as cherrims forms speaking of updates, they added new outbreaks to the game and some other stuff, check it out.
I disagree about the importance you give to speed, mostly because you aren’t guaranteed to never get hit in this games speed mechanics, so speed on a frail is much worse than it usually is because it is considerably harder to sweep. I found alakazam to be really shit because it couldn’t switch in, and died immediately. It’s strong hits didn’t matter because it was going to get hit. Also surprised you didn’t mention that normal types can get giga impact and hyper beam with no draw back and that gives normal types the highest BP move in the game. Works pretty well during the early/mid game
I think speed is super-duper important, more turns means more...whatever you want to do It also looks like giga impact / hyper beam despite having no recharge have really low move speed...wish they told us move speeds somewhere
Ya ursaluna is not surprising how good it is. It’s got the same base stat total as urshifu but better attack and defenses. One of if not the only Pokémon that actually makes up for its low speed in this game.
This is the one time in Pokémon that the relatively low difficulty didn't bother me, because... well, the game has some actual damn meat on its bones - again, for once in this franchise. Just actually something to be engaged with and _literally DO_ that makes me not mind the comparative lack of raw challenge. (Btw, nothing to do with the Pokémon? You use them all the time for literally everything...)
@@ImportedCheese I mean... if you completely rush through the game like a maniac doing nothing but progressing as fast as humanly possible while avoiding anything else, then sure. But at that point, why play _anything_ not explicitly built for speedrunning?
I wonder what cheeses opinion on arcues is. As someone who doesn't really care about competitive, it was a very refreshing diversion, but not really anything compared to the best od the main games.
usum, bdsp: kricketune gets sing by level up legends: gf removes sing from kricketune me: bruh edit 1: I am actually a Finneon and Lumineon fan, like, I am not kidding. If you guys don't know, there is something called PokeMMO, which is basically advanced difficulty of every pokemon games up to gen 5. My Jetwing the Lumineon is my MVP throughout my Platinum run in MMO. It even nearly one shot Cynthia's Garchomp and KO it with non-stab Ice Beam, which says things because Garchomp is decently bulky. Also with just 69 SpA and one shot bulky boss mon is underrated for Lumie. But yeah, I do wish that Lumineon and especially Finneon is stronger in one of its attacking stats, that is generally better, Lumie's (referring to Lumineon) stats are spreads out too thin. Pretty wish it had the buffs from Renegade Platinum (Higher speed, SpA and Hurricane TM). One shot things can be easier with a good attacking stat for significantly weaker neutral moves. edit 2: yeah bruh, you just said it yourself, 80 speed is not even not that bad on Mamoswine. Yeah, well Lumineon has 91 speed bro. (Note: sorry, I got very defensive in the original comment with Lumineon, bcuz it is my favorite evolution line on par with Torterra, and that says things bcuz Torterra is a starter.)
Hisiuan Goodra is slow and gets triple attacked consistently. I love the design/the concept, but I found it very underwhelming in my play through. If you don’t google where the alpha is at, evolving it is a hassle. Setting up with its signature move is okay, but it’ll still take a handful of hits cause of the bad speed.
Honestly I stomped this game... I beat Giratina and friends with 2 Pokemon, and they were not lvl 100. And I abused the shit out of the turn order. With specific moves and fast Pokemon you can even stack up to 3 turns. I don't think I ever hit 4
@@ImportedCheese I honestly didn't share a lot of your issues with the styles. The turn order system is almost 1:1 a version of Final Fantasy X's turn system. It also would trick you with your opponents gaining turns that previously weren't there because of decisions the ai made. I thought of it more like a challenge, trying to gauge what the ai would do, just like battling a real person. It honestly added some much needed randomness to PvE in my opinion. To be fair though, I was generally getting 2 or 3 turns in a row on the first turn of battle.. lmao. Volo was a challenge, but I stomped him good. I had more trouble with Arceus's cheese than Volo lmao, and I normally play action oriented games.
