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The orre region...a desolate wasteland where no wild pokemon roam. That means you're stuck with whatever garbage you can snag from the locals, and man does this trash REEK. Worst roster in the history of the series! Hopefully we'll be able to be more analytical than just, "This doesn't evolve....? This thing's HORRIBLE!"
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00:00 Intro
01:20 Colosseum Mechanics
09:01 Colosseum Mini Review
13:40 Tiering Criteria PLS WATCH
22:00 Espeon
24:36 Umbreon
27:10 Makuhita
28:53 Bayleef
33:12 Quilava
34:49 Croconaw
36:14 Slugma
38:17 Noctowl
39:31 Flaaffy
41:44 Skiploom
44:31 Quagsire
46:14 Misdrevous
49:01 Furret
50:54 Yanma
54:55 Mantine
56:06 Qwilfish
57:25 Meditite
58:43 Dunsparce
1:00:14 Swablu
1:01:22 Sudowoodo
1:02:10 Plusle
1:04:11 Hitmontop
1:05:32 Entei
1:06:42 Ledian
1:08:26 Suicune
1:09:45 Johto Hall of Lame
1:20:27 Forretress
1:22:55 Ariados
1:23:44 Granbull
1:24:30 Vibrava
1:25:30 Raikou
1:26:19 Sunflora
1:29:35 Delibird
1:30:28 FINAL (SHADOW) RUSH
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@ImportedCheese Год назад

Correction Post?! - Don't say I recycled the HORRIBLE joke, we added Qwilfish and Stantler!!!!!!!!! - AKSHUALLY THEY'RE LEGENDARY "BEASTS" - In gen 3 double battes, if a pokemon is KOd its replacement is sent out during the same turn, so you can potentially knock out FOUR pokemon in a turn!!!!! Probably not tho.

@NoShotTwoKill Год назад

I mean there was a challenge where you had to kill a bunch of shedinjas in a specified amount of turns in either coliseum or XD

@TheRamblemanWhoSings Год назад

jokes get better & funnier the more times they're used

@dungeonpastor Год назад

Slugma isn't gen 3

@stagelights_ Год назад

you kept mentioning how surf does half damage and i was like "that can't be right, spread moves do 75% in doubles", then i looked it up and you were right, the 75% thing wasn't until gen 4

@ImportedCheese Год назад

@@stagelights_ yah we spent serveral minutes live double and triple checking spread moves

@Tama-Hero Год назад

This video was a cathartic experience.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I was getting so many comments telling me this game is actually good, I was starting to doubt myself. Now I've been V I N D I C A T E D! ...This game's horrible

@crenando288 Год назад

two of my favorite PokeTubers in the same place, Both of your Colosseum videos are excellent

@MrCrossmoss Год назад

Bruh.

@anonanonymous9670 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese Yeah The game is horrible I've tried playing it 5 different times over like 3-4 years and have never beaten it because I always get bored quickly

@0_asis Год назад

@Anon Anonymous grand colosseum or xg next gen. Both rom hacks 100% better because the obtainable pokemonnare better and the enemy's teams are enhanced.

@smergthedargon8974 Год назад

If these videos have taught me anything, it's that gen 4 redeemed half the gen 2 mons.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

The gen 2 evos is the best part of gen 4

@troykv96 Год назад

I wonder if Gen 9 is gonna do the same with the other half.

@jesusramirezromo2037 Год назад

and Arceus saved the other half

@latrodectusmactans7592 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese Not wrong. God Gen 4 is boring.

@spindash64 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese Hey, that’s not fair! There’s also the Gen 2 remakes! Okay, yeah, base DP is poopie tho.

@Ironwill3004 Год назад

I’m sure that hyper mode will finally bring out the hidden potential of grass Onix himself - Tropius! The plant power!

@Lumix_Corrupt Год назад

*does he know?*

@ImportedCheese Год назад

he doesn't know

@user-do1gm9qg7n Год назад

Should we tell him?

@Empostir Год назад

@timrc417 8 месяцев назад

56:12 How CONVENIENT that Qwilfish is now the channel mascot

@abbieburton2794 Год назад

Really enjoyed cheese improving his jokes and adapting, it’s really cool to se- Wait this guy doesn’t evolve? Oh my god this guy is HORRIBLE hehehehe (fun vid as usual)

@ImportedCheese Год назад

If I use the same joke enough times I'll get a STAB bonus!!

@nicocchi Год назад

@@ImportedCheese honestly you should update your commedy repertoire and find better jo-- wait this guy's humor doesn't evolve? oh my GOD THIS GUY IS HORRIBLE -real talk keep doing the doesn't evolve joke it doesn't get old. Unlike those powercrept NFE mons. Doing it in japanese was brilliant lol-

@honeycrisp808 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese Better be holding a metronome!

@M3rtyville Год назад

@@ImportedCheese You should wear a Choice Specs to get 50% increase justifying the over use everytime you switch in.

@ItsAZues Год назад

So that's why this is the hardest Pokemon game. 90% of the rooster of Pokemon to catch are all from Johto.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

A fate worse than death

@ultimapower6950 Год назад

And another 7% are johto mons disguised as mons from other regions

@tupacshakur5868 Год назад

i know this is a joke to just roast johto mons, but this game isnt hard 10 y/o me just brutforced the entire game with umbreon and espeon: Even as a nuzlocke, its pretty chill

@tupacshakur5868 Год назад

@Ya Mum gale of darkness nuzlocke is quite challenging

@dse763 10 месяцев назад

The funny thing is that you start probably with the best Johto has to offer.

@EZog58 Год назад

It's very telling how much Genius Sonority learned about Pokemon mechanics between Colosseum and XD; the Battle Sims in XD are like a tutorial to advanced battle mechanics.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I imagine they had much more time to work on the game itself in XD since the pokemon were already animated

@Robeebert Год назад

Here's a pro for Bayleaf: Bayleaf appears early alphabetically, so in some very uncommon scenarios you would be able to release it earlier.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

It's also the closest to the catching tutorial, so you can speedrun the catch and release!!

@inkubus6192 Год назад

I feel like all this hype is one big, elaborate set-up to dunk on Meganium again.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I'd never clickbait with a grass type in the thumbnail!

@orangesilver8 Год назад

I saw you about to put misdreavus into johto's finest and I started typing my comment about how just being a ghost type means the enemy will constantly waste their turns on it. Very glad you mentioned that. This is the kind of thing you need real game experience to know. I know from watching Chuggaaconroy's lets play of Colosseum where he kept it on his team because of how often the enemies would waste their move on it.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

We did a playthrough before this list!!! We're C O M P R E H E N S I V E

@aprinnyonbreak1290 Год назад

I think it's being a little underestimated here, ENTIRELY because of the Entei Admin guy. That fight is actually genuinely hard, and just having Misdreavus on the team means his aoe field nukes stop making him gain pokemon advantage every time he uses one. Go ahead and box it after that fight, but Misdreavus single handedly makes that fight significantly easier just by existing.

@nessleepk Год назад

Shuckle in the post-game is very worth beating the whole game, just look at those adorable Shuckle animations

@ImportedCheese Год назад

True! SKY HIGH defense and cute animations, must be good!

@zesnow3918 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese the sky high defenses mean we get to look at shuckle more

@sakuraflares7054 Год назад

You conveniently glossed over a huge upside for Ledian's viability. Using it will cause you to black out at lightning speed, allowing you to stop playing this game sooner

@ImportedCheese Год назад

The hidden tech?! :SmolBug:

@moleyface Год назад

Re: Jumpluff's glitched shadow, I think I actually know why it does that and it's pretty interesting (to me anyway)! For older games, rendering actually smooth spheres is HARD. So it was more common to emulate true spheres by putting a spherical texture on a flat plane and angling it to always face the camera. It's less common nowadays as game systems get more computing power, but it was very much a thing in the N64/GCN era. But the thing is, a lot of 3D software will treat the alpha maps for actual objects and object shadows differently. Usually, a shadow will assume an object is opaque unless told otherwise. So what probably happened with Jumpluff is that the shadow shader wasn't told it has a transparent texture, ergo, you get cubes.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

A real explanation from the scientists at Cipher?! ...Or is this just grass propaganda in disguise?! Cool trivia, I didn't know this

@Gigadweeb 9 месяцев назад

>Qwilfish? Who cares? If only we knew... the convenience is overflowing off the charts!

@ImportedCheese 9 месяцев назад

This was before we knew

@borby4584 Год назад

I’ll argue that Taunt has ONE niche: the AI in this game knows when you’re going to heal status ailments with an item. So it’s VERY possible for you to use a paralysis heal on a Pokémon, only for the AI to immediately use Stun Spore on the same turn that you do. Taunt prevents that

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Psychic strat counter?!

@inkubus6192 5 месяцев назад

If you were to heal a status at the start of a turn, then Taunt with your other Pokemon, would the AI read both actions before their turn and just use an attack? Or would they try to status you again and waste a turn because of the taunt?

@borby4584 5 месяцев назад

@@inkubus6192 From my own experience, it's the latter. They only read the items, not the attacks, so they waste their turn

@eduardoftb Год назад

This game really was just "Pay us 50$ so you can complete your pokedex"

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I want a refund

@redflare4423 Год назад

Love this man, has a radio voice and good comedic timing. Really reminded me just how limited the roster really seems.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

The jokes write theselves....ledian....pls...

@ElekktrOde Год назад

@@ImportedCheese U have to do pokemon XD gale of darkness next! great vid :D

@blazie42069 Год назад

Espeon is probably one of the best pokemon in this game and that says something! Also MANTINE IS ACTUALLY KINDA GOOD IN THIS GAME!

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I dunno mantine's still kinda bad

@censoredterminalautism4073 Год назад

"Legendary dogs" Lions and saber-tooth tigers are my favorite dog breeds.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I prefer cats

@richardqustmrk Год назад

@@ImportedCheese cats are better Except Skitty

@Begeru Год назад

I forgot that Colosseum is like 90% Johto Pokémon. Make sense because lots of Johto Pokémon were hard to get or just missing from the GBA Gen 3 games. That was the main reason I liked this game. And yes the music is the best part!! Shame the gameplay is so boring. It definitely was a slog in the second half.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

It was all a racket, the original dexit just to seel you this game!!

@dootsouls 10 месяцев назад

Y'know, Dudunsparce is a pretty good Pokemon. It's got pretty good bulk, and has good attacking stats, and can make good use of serene grace heatbutt- Wait, Dunsparce doesn't evolve? Oh my god this THING IS HORRIBLE

@ImportedCheese 10 месяцев назад

what a shame

@marum3565 Год назад

Personally what sells me on this game looking back on it is the limited roster, too many of the main line games offer way better pokemon leaving many non optimal pokemon overlooked. No one would probably ever use yanma, but when yanma is what you have it gets used leading to interesting non optimal strategies. I really wish more games either official or fan really use the essence of non optimal/underused team composition like this game does

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Yanma is unusable even among this crew of crap

@jazzercise300 8 месяцев назад

I think that's what makes UU and RU smogon tiers so fun

@cadencenavigator958 Год назад

I think the entire reason someone was like "grass as coverage is good" is because water is a really good type. The super effective swindle.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Everyone falls for it

@765craven4 Год назад

In PvP if your Pokemon hard loses to any Water/Ground or Water/Rock Types that happen to be common in whatever meta you're playing in and your Pokemon gets a solid Grass move it can be alright. Crobat with Giga Drain, for example, can catch Mega Swampert users off guard sometimes.

@cryptwalker2439 Год назад

hypothetically if jellicent was in colosseum it could have energy ball as coverage

@pazu9190 Год назад

I think Mantine should be higher because it hard counters Dakim because he just spams earthquake even against Mantine then hit them with super effective attacks. It lets you use earthquake without wasting a turn to protect.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Mantine is OK against Dakim...Mantine kinda sucks at dealing damage tho, don't fall for the super effective swindle

@Pichu441 Год назад

playing this primarily to get a Ho-Oh in Gen 3, the Tyranitardy tier ended up being pretty good for the 100 battle challenge to get it.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

true!! wish it were a bit faster

@StarlightMagician Год назад

Funny how half of the mons you can get in this game are in the "Would be good if it's evolution existed at this point!" Category (Aside from Weavile bc of Ice/Dark being special). Also, out of all the E-Reader Shadows, Scizor is arguably the only one that isn't redundant (the other two are a Shadow Togepi and Mareep, both of whom's evos are already obtainable anyway), though I wish it got better STAB options at the time. Speaking of which, you While it wouldn't matter in a Casual Playthrough anyway, Shadow Togetic has yet ANOTHER thing going against it. It's owned by the Wes Imposter who uses Mons in the Late 60s to early 70s. What level is Togetic at? 20. Fucking 20.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Just gotta wait one gen for Togekiss and two after that for Fairy typing...

@moeeyeguy531 Год назад

His appreciation of Jumpluff does bring a tear to my eye. This is his first step in turning to the grass side 😈

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Not gonna happen

@topichu970 Год назад

hey, just wanted to let you know these videos are perfect to have running in the background over and over while doing chores :^)

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I7d rather do chores than plan this game again

@mushroomdude123 Год назад

So I actually replayed Colosseum a month ago and even though the game was kinda boring, I think I built a good team despite what I was using. -Meganium: Sunny Day/Solarbeam/Synthesis/Light Screen I had to grind so much to get the Solarbeam TM, but it’s basically mandatory to use Meganium. It’s best as a tank to not get OKHOd by stronger Shadow Pokemon. I think it almost solo’d the Raikou fight because I forgot to heal the rest of the team. -Magcargo: Flamethrower/Rock Slide/Yawn/Protect I’m going to be honest, this pokemon is mostly just bait to block strong attacks. You get the Protect TM decently early (and you can buy more!) and it makes unwinnable matchups doable. Sun + Light Screen makes Water attacks easy to tank. -Plusle: Thunder/Helping Hand/Thunder Wave/Fake Tears Unironically the MVP of the team. I was shocked at how easy it was to OHKO opponents with Thunder. -Mantine: Bubblebeam/Confuse Ray/Wing Attack/Rain Dance Solid tank, Water Absorb has great synergy with Mag. Unfortunately Wing Attack is physical and Bubblebeam is 60 power. Gen 3 movesets are so painful to work with. -Furret: Strength/Iron Tail/ Helping Hand/Follow Me Furret jusy kinda showed up and did damage. There’s not much else to it. -Medicham: High Jump Kick/Reversal/Detect/Confusion Originally this was a Hitmontop, but I was so disappointed by how Triple Kick was it’s only usable move that I had to replace it later. Medicham isn’t that much better but at least HJK does good damage.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Truly a colosseum moment

@spindash64 Год назад

I went with Typhlosion, Espeon, Qwilfish, Flygon, Murkrow, Ampharos, and Furret in a bit of a rotation. Follow Me is pretty dang helpful, and so is STAB Sludge Bomb

@joeschof_95 Год назад

Love watching you stream this and can’t wait to watch the tier list!

@ImportedCheese Год назад

It's been edited for B R E V I T Y (still and hour and a half...)

@AniGaAG Год назад

Oh, love the new visuals. The Pokémon icons work really well for this.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

The icons are only here because I had them for the Snag Swap Challenge, but I might use them again. They're a real pain to download...

@topichu970 Год назад

was about to defend qwilfish, but turns out intimidate is its hidden ability

@ImportedCheese Год назад

It would still be awful even with intimidate, SAD

@armythecat Год назад

Really, how do you have such a good voice? It is just a perfect voice for someone narrating stuff or just kinda monologuing, like you do in your videos

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Thank you!! Very useful for being a keyboard warrior

@ImPyroChad Год назад

Lowkey I think the bulkier pokemon actually are a lot more useful here than you normally give them credit, especially with how barely anything in this game is strong enough to OHKO at all💀

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Most certainly not, bulky pokemon are worthless. Even saying they're useful for walling while tossing pokeballs is too much credit

@inkubus6192 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese I don’t think the “dead pokemon don’t do damage”, extreme MONKE style of play works when _this_ is the roster you’re given, Cheeseman. “Why would you be taking damage?” Because your best damage dealers are Espeon, who fails to OHKO things consistently, and Makuhita, who hits after everything else on the field. Love your analysis, but that contradiction is glaring.

@patathatapon Год назад

Over the years I've learned to dig in my heels on General Amelia. Mostly because, thematically, I like the idea of a little girl in a giant suit of armor. Also, I feel like Umbreon would have been better if it was given Reflect instead of Espeon. Then umbreon could just go full support at the start while Espeon just kills literally everything.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

General Amelia is hilarious, and with Seth to pick up the slack you can do whatever you want lol

@patathatapon Год назад

@@ImportedCheese My favorite Sacred Stones run to date was a no Seth hard mode run. I allowed grinding specifically for Amelia, and Ross to a lesser extent. Once Amelia hit general, I'd throw her into a group of enemies (I gave her my free boots because I enjoy the salt from the tears of others) and she'd just wipe out the board because she doubled everything. Go little girl, kill your former countrymen! We're the good guys! We brainwash little girls into genocide machines!

@TheAxeLord47911 Год назад

My man knows what's up! It's such a cool character arc in that regard. :D

@Rubner5 Год назад

Yes, Remoraid is an absolute pain to grind but (in my experience because I've used it in my first playthrough) I don't think it is the worst pokémon in the game as when it evolves into Octillery it does good damage and has a great movepool, making it actually usable in the mid to late game despite its lack of speed unlike stuff like Yanma who can never become usable no matter what, so it has an edge based on that alone. I'd move it up a tier at least.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

base level 20 is SO AWFUL...I will not allow remoraid propaganda :FlameThrower:

@athath2010 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese to be fair, you DID allow plusle propaganda

@Canyoutakeitallaway Год назад

@@athath2010 Can confirm that Plusle is absolutely bout that life in Colosseum. Give it a chance. I'm gonna try it with Remoraid next lol

@TheSandwhichman108 Год назад

I wouldn’t feel too bad using the pokeball glitch in this game. Mainly cause this game is absolutely brutal. Screw honor and screw dignity your ass just needs to survive.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Well...you do play as a thief lol

@ceciunni Год назад

great video, i always die at "horrible stats! horrible typing! horrible movepool! this thing's horrible!"

@ImportedCheese Год назад

you'll never hear it this many times in another list again, at least I hope not

@CyraxxLotion Год назад

Greatest thing about Colsseum was the intro, how the main character has an ambigious motive and cool backstory, and that rocking banger of a soundtrack

@ImportedCheese Год назад

It's all a trick!! the coolness only lasts for the intro

@CyraxxLotion Год назад

@@ImportedCheese We NEED a remake including the QOL stuff from XD on top of new stuff. I'd pay at most $90 to have remakes of the Orre duology

@borby4584 Год назад

Hey man, in retrospect, I think you were too hard on Dunsparce. Sure it’s not the best, but when it evolves into Dudunsparce, while it’s slow, it still can hit fairly hard and- …wait. You mean Dudunsparce was literally only added in Gen 9? It doesn’t evolve at all until Scarlet and Violet? …seriously?! … Okay yeah no you were right. This mon is TERRIBLE!

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Recorded before the discovery of Dudunsparce! ...at least they added Sunflourish, right...?

@redjirachi1 2 месяца назад

@@ImportedCheese If they actually give Sunflora some justice with an evo, make it a Grass/Fire type like a literal sun flower. I call it Sunflorist

@veraxiana9993 Год назад

I only caught a handful of the livestreams during the playthrough but my dude i see how many countless hours you're putting into your content and it's very well appreciated!💜

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Thank you! This list was R E S E A R C H E D

@veraxiana9993 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese oh god i just saw the ending too and LMAO you can't make that up that's comical timing at its finest

@TheEeveeKing Год назад

Thoughts on Colosseum: It's a solid enough battle simulator with a story, but the content in it lacks something to be desires. The real draw to this game is that it's all double battles, making it a perfect introduction as to why double battles are good. It's a step or two up difficulty wise compared to most Pokémon games, there are a couple of fights you can lose if you don't come prepared. (Yes, online battling is harder by a significant degree, but what game's single-player is harder then the online?) The Pokémon available in this game are pretty laughable, but it's still better then looking for Kanto Pokémon the player's used since gen 1 to sweep the game, even if the selection does take a few years off my lifespan.

@TheWrathAbove Год назад

I'd argue that it's main issue is that it's largely just outclassed by XD which does everything it does but way better.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I'd argue that it's main issue is that it's largely just outclassed by XD which does everything it does but way better. Let's Snagging comments!

@verymelonman12 Год назад

@@TheWrathAbove The official sequel SHOULD be better so that's not much of an argument. Granted, XD is completely outclassed by Pokemon XG: NeXt Gen but that's a romhack.

@alicevioleta3184 10 месяцев назад

basically yeah, the limited roster is weak but it makes you use your head. pokemon but difficult is cool. doubles are cool. story kicks ass, soundtrack SLAPS. amazing game.

@SomeGalwithaYTaccount Год назад

Can't believe that furret was the highest normal type for once

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Only in the Colosseum!!

@marcoasturias8520 Год назад

Hey, it is the best pokemon for a walk

@b6oy1004 Год назад

great video, was both really informative and entertaining and the editing is amazing too in retrospect it makes sense why everyone seems to play through this with nearly identical teams because what the hell are you gonna do with like three quarters of these chucklefucks

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Just pick quilava and have him cook!

@christiandevey3898 Год назад

Misdrevous: "Don't cry for me, I'm already dead."

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Good type tho

@Skawo 3 месяца назад

Rewatching this, the "Ho-Ho-Horrible" got me

@ImportedCheese 3 месяца назад

Christmas is cancelled

@arcuscotangens Год назад

Let's be honest, this game was just a way to make Pokemon available after the shifting cave or whatever it was called didn't work out.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Gen 3 was the original dexit

@arcuscotangens Год назад

@@ImportedCheese Unironically yes. I actually quit the franchise over that.

@pengoschwortz4734 Год назад

Just found this video today and I’m for sure watching more, loved your humor/commentary Keep it up

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Let's commentating!

@beaksters Год назад

That one shiny scizor with every ribbon would like to talk to you

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I saw that thumbnail! Not the video tho

@troykv96 Год назад

General Amelia is suboptimal, but at least isn't an active liability like to use a Grass Type in one of the worst games to be a Grass Type. There isn't enemy Swamperts as far as I remember, so using Grass attacks most of the time is just using poor man water attacks that is resisted for half of the types in the game.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Sounds about right

@ihaveapersonaaddiction Год назад

I love Wes's goofy smile in the intro, it's so stupid

@ImportedCheese Год назад

He's in the wrong game if he wants to smile

@solarstorm5242 Год назад

This is going to be glorious… Son, bring me my bike… We’re going on a trip through the sands of time themselves! Also, Chadbreon… Funny. I’m waiting to see how long you’ll take to put it in the C tier for its availability only, since its offenses and even supportive capabilities are terrible.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

There is no C tier. This game is too awful

@A_dem 7 месяцев назад

i'm surprised coming back to this just how much sunflourish actually looks like what scovillain ended up being

@ImportedCheese 7 месяцев назад

That's because they STOLE my OC!!!!

@Lumix_Corrupt Год назад

1:26:25 brother that is just scovillain, you literally just predicted scovillain

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Psychic type?!

@GustavoSantos-rv1om Год назад

man, I really like your videos... keep up with the great work

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Thank you for watching

@LordRemiem Год назад

I want you to keep the THIS THING IS HORRIBLE joke! It's a meme and memes make a channel famous!

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Uh only if the pokemon are actually horrible tho

@EZog58 Год назад

Espeon is definitely top tier, Umbreon probably B or so? Being bulky and low power may sound bad, but helping hand can support your damage dealers and sometimes it's better to face tank shadow rushes when snagging is your top priority. I remember doing a pure Umbreon Espeon playthrough years ago and it was notable that Umbreon's primary moves were Return and Toxic lol.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Wish it actually had helping hand...

@EZog58 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese Wait, it doesn't? Swore it did! Yeah, that's not great for Umbreon at all.

@Mr._Ultracool Год назад

Umbreon can still be pretty solid, though. If you teach it Moonlight, it heals a ton of HP which, coupled with its amazing bulk, makes it pretty hard to actually kill and thus a great choice for capturing an opponent's 'mon

@Samo-ju7hk Год назад

Tbh I do feel you're undermining Surf a bit in this game, might be half power being a spread move and all, but Helping Hand is a thing in this game (you get it right away with Espeon) which boosts it back to normal 95 power. Plus with Stab and the Mystic Water you're most likely going to KO both mons you're fighting at the same time with any of the water types you get it with (even Quagsire), since enemy teams suck lol. It makes grind sessions in the colosseums way faster, and the entire Mt.Battle section with the Cipher Admin Entei guy a complete non issue since most trainers there has rock and ground mons. Quagsire in particular also gets Yawn which helps with catching, honestly a really good strategy with this game is spamming Helping Hand Surf or Protect Earthquake with Espeon and Quagsire and then Reflect Yawn for stalling catches (most shadow mons have physical attacks). I do think overall Quilava Espeon is probably the better duo since you're probably gonna be KO'ing everything turn 1 but the water types are definitely a good alternative for an Espeon team mate. Dunno how I feel with Umbreon and Skiploom above Quagsire, Skiploom is faster but it's only big niche is sleep powder and not much else, good for catching but not so much for damage. Umbreon is kinda in the same boat but worse I feel, good for taking hits but what is it gonna do after? 60 power Bite or Faint Attack? Doesn't have any moves that can sleep or paralysis to make it really good for catching, it kinda has a similar role to Bayleef in that it does medicore damage and that's it. Meanwhile Quagsire has sleep for catches and Stab Surf and Earthquake, only real thing holding it back is it's speed which is why I wouldn't put it higher then anything above Meditite. Good tier list though otherwise! A lot of the mons in this game wish this was a gen 4 game lmao, no physical/special split, no gen 4 evolutions and gen 3 learnsets kill a lot of them.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

You can definitely stack multipliers to make surf good. Water types can't keep getting away with it

@JacobMcBaggins Год назад

Still v proud of coming up with that Sunflourish pun

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Thank you for your contribution!!

@orangesilver8 Год назад

Alright up next it's time for gale of darkness ratings. I don't remember this one well enough to be confident that it was good but Gale of Darkness was good and I will fight you over it.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

You won't have to fight me because I agree with you!

@bananaspice1967 Год назад

My father, I require content now

@ImportedCheese Год назад

You must wait. You have two days to R I P E N

@bananaspice1967 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese *dies of death*

@deltaquarayza Год назад

I have never heard a roster of...well, anything described as anaemic. 10/10 commentary as per usual, sir!

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I lost a lot of blood trying to survive thos game

@Leafsw0rd Год назад

You know, according to rumours Dunsparce will soon join the Johjoke squad.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I can't trust a leafblade knock off!!

@crisnopacote4384 Год назад

If triple kick had triple Axel base power could be good, a 120 base power stab could be pretty good

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Technician triple kick finally viable?!

@ostint912 5 месяцев назад

I thought Yanma evolved in gen 3 so in Leafgreen I trained one up to level 80 before I finally realized he was stuck being Johto’s finest.

@ImportedCheese 5 месяцев назад

Dunsparce got me back in the day in gen 2

@Sintra4 Год назад

Good video. I actually joined your discord so that I could request this exact video (I didn't because I always feel like a dick for making requests of content creators). I hope you end up making a video about XD, too. I remember liking it a fair bit more than Colosseum as a kid, mainly because the Pokemon you get access to are a lot better. Also, I like that they give you an Eevee at the start of XD, and then allow you to choose which evolution you want for it fairly early on. If they ever make a follow-up to these games (unlikely, but one can hope), I hope they do that again.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

We'll do XD someday

@darthmaul5413 Год назад

jolteon in xd is s tier Vaporeon in xd is a tier Espeon in xd is s tier Flareon is b tier Umbreon in xd is b tier

@windwaker0rules Год назад

Vaporeon is worse than Umbreon because no surf, it's best move is water gun until hydro pump which is unreliable

@ImportedCheese Год назад

uh are you lost

@darthmaul5413 Год назад

@@windwaker0rules Vaporeon gets Water Pulse by tm at Area 2 of Mt. Battle

@windwaker0rules Год назад

@@darthmaul5413 that still not very good, you have less offensive presence then seel and shellder. And lack even the bulky defensive utility of Umbreon just spamming helping hand

@Nauriek Год назад

You know what this video made me want to see in a Imported, Premium-Quality Cheesy edition? A Pokemon Stadium tier list! Like, seriously, if there's one game with a more garbage roster than Colloseum, it *has* to be Stadium's rental roster. And i really want to see you put it on Blast Burn!

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Uh maybe...no promises tho

@aprinnyonbreak1290 Год назад

I feel like Misdreavus is being sold a bit short. The Entei Admin is actually a genuinely hard fight, that "just kill them" doesn't work for. Quilava literally just dies, and your other good choices are slim. Misdreavus is immune to both his field nukes, it is prone to making him kill HIS OWN pokemon more than yours, it is perfect for just sitting there, not dying as you hose down the other pokemon in Potions. I would 100% agree if it weren't for this fight. It AT LEAST has similar energy to gen 1 Butterfree. Great for the first real roadblock, then who cares, you just got an Entei to replace it with.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

We just beat Dakim with some real trash (had to use Hitmontop/Sudowoodo) and earthquake spam sounds scary, but as with all trainers his AI is wonky and his pokemon are all slow and (specially) frail - Typhlosion and Espeon can easily take them all out (Except for entei, who you want to catch anyway.) I think we gave Misdrevous enough credit, it exploits the AI well, but its base stats are just....too gen 2

@doshbee567 Год назад

nice vid as always and really liked the pokemon tcg cards as visual aids

@ImportedCheese Год назад

the cards are really pretty!

@bluegum6438 Год назад

This was my first Pokemon game, ended up with Bayleef I think because Ash had one. I remember playing the game a lot (I used only Meganium and Altaria and grinded them both up to Lv. 100) but don't think I ever finished it somehow. When I got Ruby later on it was like eating restaurant ramen after only having packet ramen all my life, "ohh, this is what it's actually supposed to be like?"

@ImportedCheese Год назад

yeah...barren game Thematic to a desert region!

@jacobhollo5329 9 месяцев назад

Despite your warning, You inspired me to play through the entire game again😂 Have you considered making a video like this for the sequel to this game, “XD: gale of darkness”? There is a more expansive roster, more expressive characters (imo), and although you usually don’t cover this in your videos, it features possibly the most challenging post-game AI battles in any Pokémon game, featuring competitive gen 3 doubles teams (in smogon’s words). Love your videos they always make me laugh!

@ImportedCheese 9 месяцев назад

We'll probably play it this weekend

@heroicvileplume7184 Год назад

"Is it the Dawn Brigade?" "No, it's just Murkrow"

@ImportedCheese Год назад

You'll like the next upload

@alexshafer7374 Год назад

Please try out some romhacks sometime! I would like to hear your thoughts on an in-game tier list for Pokemon Fools-gold, in particular.That game re-arranges every pokemon to be a different type with new movesets as well.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Pokemblem will probably be the first rom hack we do a list for

@AL-nv4gk Год назад

Hyper mode should be reimagined as something more useful like if you achieve hyper mode that's when Mega's Dyna's and Z moves become available just don't make it cheap. Should make if feel skill based and rewarding to activate.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I dunno the hyper mode mechanics, but I think a hack called XG makes shadow pokemon actual killing machines, Cipher still hasn't worked out the kinks

@GodzillaCO Год назад

1:26:46 this man predicted Scovillain

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Psychic type?!

@draconichero3474 Год назад

Would love to see you do this for XD Gale of Darkness

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Uh maybe someday, we'd have to do a playthrough first

@draconichero3474 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese Can't be any worse than what you just did for Colosseum, right? I mean, at least from what I remember you can purify much earlier in the game and you get 6 different typed Pokemon (including Hondour if memory serves) (looks it up) Yup. I was right. Plus, you can evolve your starting Eevee into whatever you want of your choosing, so I'm sure you'll have comments for that. Regardless of how long it takes, you always find a way to make things entertaining. You have a wonderful brand of unapologetic humor and I salute you for it XD

@TheCottonCandie Год назад

i will say, when it comes to tank pokemon, a good case can be made for having it as your side pokemon while you spam earthquake or magnitude if you don't have a flying type or w/e [good example: umbreon can take a couple before you need to swap]

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Just protect with a good pokemon!!

@redrazorx-23 Год назад

Something i find funny is that when i faced Evice as a kid he was damn near impossible(mostly because i was underleveled and half my team sucked but hey this is colosseum)but as an adult i faced him again and my Hitmontop demolished half his team by himself…it actually had an adamant nature which was the only reason I decided to use it.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

triple kick gaming?!

@redrazorx-23 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese nah i gave it Brick Break

@ralpbeez8414 Год назад

45:00 Dying laughing at this Quagsire part, great edits in this video. Sometimes its nice to have someone rip the nostalgia bandaid off a game you love...although to be fair, it's not Colosseum's fault Johto pokemon (in gen 3) are so terrible.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

At least quagsire is legit good in compeitive where offense isn't everything

@dany_fg Год назад

Nintendo: "make a Pokémon game" developer A: "sure, what is a Pokémon?" developer B: "Done" developer A: "wait wha-" Nintendo: "thanks"

@ImportedCheese Год назад

They did their best

@redjirachi1 2 месяца назад

Colosseum reinforces my belief that Gen 2 had the worst overall selection of new Pokemon in the franchise

@ImportedCheese 2 месяца назад

Hey that's not fair! You could use the Kanto pokemon in Johto

@redjirachi1 2 месяца назад

@@ImportedCheese Fixed the typo

@DHeart006 Год назад

I love this game and always will but respect others opinions even if I disagree. I really enjoy the tier lists content so thanks cheese for the awesome video!! Looking forward to the next tier list like maybe the xd tier list!? 🧐

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Uh after we do an XD playthrough! So uh...a while away. Much better roster

@stagelights_ Год назад

looked up yanmas stats, i literally felt sick to my stomach after seeing them.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Disgusting

@marcoasturias8520 Год назад

Funnily enough, if weavile was in Colosseum it'd be awful, since there's no physical stab for em

@ImportedCheese Год назад

It at least has better stats

@foggernaut8876 Год назад

Personally I think Croc belongs in Es tier, it was the original starter in the speed run of the game. It wasn't until manipulation that Quilava became faster.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Yeah it could be. Fire type favoritism?!

@formy52 Год назад

That Jehovah's Witness pamphlet at the end broke me, that was so funny, and the Hymn of the Faith playing in the background, priceless. Not sure if you've played Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but if you have, it'd be cool to get an in-game tier list of one or two games from that series. There's a good variety of pokemon, mechanics that are different and interesting, and it's the sort of game that would be hard for people to know 'what's good' unless they've ran through PMD a couple times.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I played PMD once, I'd probably have to again to make a list.The preamble would also be like......an hour long

@formy52 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese hmm, yeah, it probably would be a lot of effort. We'll, I'm sure it'll come round between now and the end of the time. I'll just bide my time until the inevitable Pokemon Conquest tier list.

@genesis7838 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese also, at least in explorers, you can't bring extra party members for most story missions and every other mission is easy so the list would basically be "this is the starter you want to reset for"

@athath2010 Год назад

@@genesis7838 which could be fine for a shorter video! maybe the pt. 2 could (only) cover the 3rd/4th wheels who're actually worth getting, with the others not even being tiered.

@ultimapower6950 Год назад

@@formy52 Yoshimoto is Johto’s finest Warlord in most circumstances

@vgpharaoh1344 9 месяцев назад

Wow this was a really good one! It felt at times just like what I'd imagine an iono stream would look like and it was really fun! The voice actress for her killed it too! Shame iono can't swap she could've won some of those if she could but fair's fair... she doesn't swap so gotta play as she does it

@ImportedCheese 9 месяцев назад

Thank you! Don't worry, I fixed Iono for GameFreak! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YKmGSkkj6Ug.html

@topichu970 Год назад

sorry but 90 base attack pre-nerf explosion that hits both opponents with no damage reduction is absolutely not johtos finest edit: okay, MAYBE considering how late it is it might be johtos finest

@ImportedCheese Год назад

bruh explosion kills you, seems kinda bad for actually playing through the game (also your forettress doesn't start with explosion)

@mantis9858 11 месяцев назад

All I really came out of this video with was a craving for lemonade.

@ImportedCheese 11 месяцев назад

Cost efficient!!

@bethany5882 Год назад

I can't believe you'd say these hurtful things about Bayleef unsubscribing

@ImportedCheese Год назад

No room for you on my team anyway!!

@rapidriver Год назад

the mix of Japanese language jokes with fire emblem references is such a perfect formula for me personally, very funny viddeo

@ImportedCheese Год назад

All of my videos are like that!

@humu936 Месяц назад

im having a hard time deciding which fighting type to choose between medicham and hariyama for my playthrough. which one would be better? my current team is: espeon quilava flaffy quagsire vibrava (i will catch it when i get to this point)

@ImportedCheese Месяц назад

I suggest playing a different game Hariyama I guess

@humu936 Месяц назад

@@ImportedCheese wdym play a different game? is it that bad? lol

@kevingudelj8616 Год назад

"Quagsire stats are...hopeless, they're so mad" actually killed me 🤣

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Quagsire is like Clefable where everything is great except its stats

@joshtheryuk 10 месяцев назад

@@ImportedCheese To be fair if we got Min-Maxed Clefable i think it might be a bit broken lol

@logans.7932 Год назад

Here’s what I’ll say to keep Dunsparce out of Johto’s Finest: please don’t be mean to him he’s just a baby :(

@ImportedCheese Год назад

He gets to be onscreen the entire time! He's the heart of the Orre-boros!

@M3rtyville Год назад

I honestly wouldn't even recommend playing the game for the models Pokemon and their animation because you get them in Pokemon XD as well and XD is just fun to play even if the setting feels more light hearted. Also XD fixes some animation like for Crunch and Fire Blast that took forever to execute. The only thing I liked about Colosseum is when Fire Blast DAIMONZU hits, it sounds satisfying. Otherwise it is the only mean to get Ho-Oh in Gen 3 without glitching to Navelrock in Gen 3. And if you want to use Gen 2 Pokemon in your Gen 3 playthrough and Legendary Beasts that don't run away all the time. And it is the only way to get Gen 2 roamers without them being affected by the roaming glitch. Because FRLG beasts will always come with crap ivs... kinda like my Latias from Sapphire...

@ImportedCheese Год назад

we'll do XD someday

@765craven4 Год назад

I haven't played Colosseum in years but I've always felt XD was just a better game. Longer, more content and a better story. Better Pokemon selection by a fairly wide margin (and it honestly still isn't great). One thing I greatly appreciate about these games is that the boss fights are genuinely hard enough that they often require planning, which is more than most official Pokemon games. I've been playing a hack of XD called XG Next Gen that's been genuinely pretty good so far, and very challenging. Edit: Grass can be useful in this game mostly because of Status moves, which can help with catch rates and to potentially prevent them from KOing themselves with recoil. Edit 2: Made the 1st edit before the Skiploom section

@costby1105 Год назад

Many pokemon have higher catch rates in this game anyways. only Skarmory(45 - 15), Tropius(200 - 45), Tryanitar(45 - 10) and Togetic(75 - 45) have lower catch rates. Everything else has either the same or higher catch rate including entei, Suicune, Raikou and Metagross which all have a catch rate of 15. Throwing a pokeball at a fully health shadow Entei, will give you the same chance to catch as an ultra ball against a one hp Regular Entei.

@765craven4 Год назад

@@costby1105 Very true. But if you're stuck in a fight against a Shadow Pokemon and you wanna maximize your chance at getting a catch before it KOs your team or itself it's handy to be able to sleep it

@costby1105 Год назад

@@765craven4 Of course, but in tougher fights you might want a stronger pokemon. So thunder wave may be good enough.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

I dunno anyone who thinks XD is worse than colosseum

@765craven4 Год назад

@@ImportedCheese I think that's just because XD is pretty much an objectively better game.

@incineroar9933 Год назад

You know who needs a grass/fire form or Evo? Tropius. Tropical plants need additional heat to survive in colder climates like the one I live in. Also being quad weak to ice in a colder region/area would be a death sentence.

@ImportedCheese Год назад

Just give Tropius something, man