It helped them do their job. Their job is to do whatever they can to secure a conviction. This is superb police work. I mean, the guy didn't even do it and got a confession. Constitutional rights are a subscription service and cops know it.
@@phlodeltheir job is to make an innocent man nuts. Yeah I don't think that's exactly what you meant to say. It's OK to convict someone who didn't commit a crime because they made him say he did. Wow.
The taxpayers are the ones harmed, until these penalties come out of their own pockets and the union pension fund this will continue and get worse. Cops need required personal liability insurance, bad cops get priced out of the market like bad doctors
Until QI is stripped and they have to pay settlements from their own pockets this will get worse. Cops need $1M mandated personal liability insurance, bad cops get priced out
When a police officer at the station threatened me with 10 days in jail without seeing a judge to confess to his assumptions, I knew my cat would starve to death alone in my home. He knew I had a cat and he knew I live alone. When I told him that my cat would starve, he just smiled at me. It should be illegal for police to hold the life of a dependent as a bargaining chip.
As someone who does a lot of traveling with my dog during the camping season one of my biggest fears is that I somehow end up getting arrested while I'm driving with my dog and something happening to him. He is family and he knows it. He sleeps with me in bed, I cook real food for him, if I sit down anywhere he is next to me. He is a rescue that was abandoned as a puppy and I can't imagine the terror he would feel to be separated from me and tossed into a shelter. I'm honestly tearing up typing this comment. The indifference shown by many police officers is disgusting! Despite coming from a family that has good trusting views of law enforcement I wouldn't trust them farther than I could throw them. Stories everywhere of DUI arrests of sober people, destroying people's homes then saying, oops, wrong house, I saw a video of them arresting a handicapped person for parking in a handicapped parking spot. I'm not a criminal, I don't do drugs, and I don't drink, but I could still be arrested, or even killed by a rouge cop on a power trip over something totally stupid like touching the white line once. I just hope that if I'm ever the victim of a rouge cop my dog isn't with me at the time.
@@GrundyMcCall-1701D I'm unsure why you felt the need to post this, Mr. Data. The poster said 10 days. That's a week longer than 3 days without water.
@@Vazzini42 Indeed, like everyone who was convicted or pleaded out should demand new trials, and introduce what the cops did to that guy -- because this is *at best* endemic in that department, plausibly systemic.
Police officers should have to carry malpractice insurance. If there is a private corporation having to pay up you can bet your ass they are going to impose mandatory training requirements, tracking of police behavior, jacking up rates for departments which have systemic issues, and eventually just unwilling to insure certain officers.
They also should have to be heavily bonded because they will never have enough assets to cover a lawsuit loss. There also needs to be a national registry for cops that can be subpoenaed for court cases to see if they have done it before.
@@ObIitus How do you identify someone as a DEI hire? Like, what are the criteria? Is it any minority who is bad at their job or just any employed minority at all? Is it possible for a minority to have a job without being a DEI hire?
True, except by the time they learned he was alive, they had already turned him over to a mental hospital and figured they’d just let him “stew” for a while.
The "let the courts sort it out" mentality of police needs to stop. So you're willing to bankrupt a person and potentially have them falsely imprisoned because you're too lazy to do your job?
@@zang9147 Sorta how the Westboro Church started protesting the LGBTQ+ community in Topeka, KS. Fred Phelps was always an angry man. Took out his anger on clients and co-workers until he was disbarred for it in Kansas. Then he took his wrath to the LGBTQ+ community.
What's worse is it's already been shown qualified immunity isn't an actual law. It was a courtesy invented by a judge's opinion and the other courts started following it as procedure. The DA's either don't press charges or the judges drop the charges. There's actually no law on the books that tells them to act that way. It's just corrupt people protecting each other. Judges aren't supposed to invent laws, that's for Congress and then the judges are to follow or interpret those laws if they aren't clear. Qualified immunity was invented at the judicial level and would be illegal if anyone was actually able to appeal it, but the judges just ignore the appeals and no one in power above them does anything about it. There's literally no law to over turn, because it was never a law to begin with. Just a broad range of corruption protecting themselves.
Even when qualified immunity is denied for LEO's, they still receive indemnity. Meaning individual LEO's never pay a cent for lawsuits. Not lawyer fees, not court costs, not judgements, nothing. Tax payers are always on the hook while government officials have practically zero consequences or accountability. Aboloshing QI isn't a silver bullet, the "justice" system is just completely corrupt and broken.
@@CeanStraussI hate to say this, but you're wrong in this case if you can break qualified immunity the individual pigs can't get immunity, however if the city agrees to pay the bill then they don't have to pay.
After they found his dad, they still obtained a search warrant to search his home for evidence of assault of an "unknown victim". When he was released from the psych hold, he tracked his dog's implanted chip to the Riverside County Animal Services and retrieved his dog. He wasn't paid enough IMO.
@Foolish188 I agree that threatening a man or his loved one in any capacity like that ought to be illegal (and arguably is tough they'd never get prosecute for it), but how can lying that they found your missing father's dead body not bother you? That's horrible.
I agree in principle but at the same time the detectives were doing the cities work, however horrific it was. It was on the supervisor to watch the detectives, the govt to watch the supervisor and the tax payers to watch the council. Not one check in place after 17 hours? Kinda is the cities fault to let two detectives have the ability to do this.
I'm nuerodivergent. I don't display emotions in the same way an allistic person would _and_ I have an extremely difficult time interpreting social cues. If I was brought in for some routine questioning, I now have to worry about making someone suspicious because I act "weird" and "detached", leading to something insane like this. Qualified Immunity is a cancer eating at our rights.
Especially under your circumstances, remember this phrase: "I want my lawyer." Once you say that, all questioning must stop until you have a lawyer present. Requesting a lawyer might itself look suspicious to the police (he must be guilty if he wants a lawyer) at least from that point forward, you have an advocate with you l.
@@meatonnthe moment the cops approach you, they already set on making you guilty. It doesn't matter if asking that make you looks suspicious, for the cops, you are already guilty anyway.
This is what drives me nuts, if they would police their own the population would support them 10x over current levels. But protecting these animals just leads to no trust in the “system.”
@@Playlist-yz8deas a veteran i used to be a big supporter of law enforcement but with as many videos Ive seen over the last few years, of cops blatantly violating people’s rights with contempt, any respect or admiration i had is gone .
🚩FACT🚩This is typical practice in all authoritarian regimes 🤦♀️ Detectives there get more money (promotions) when they close cases so fast. The system itself encourages closing cases asap even by scapegoating innocent people in order to appear as if the regime can catch criminals early (of course, without much care about the truth)🤏
There are several cases of false confessions on crimes that never happened already out there unfortunately. And people still believe that people would never admit to something they didn't do. We also have executed innocent people who DNA evidence cleared but the justice system refused to release.
Cops: "We will kill your dog if you don't confess" City: "That's fine, y'all can still be detectives, we will just pay a $900,000 out of the public pocket and this will all go away"
Gotta love that particular episode of STNG - and Jean Luc's determination to keep his sh*t together. I don't think I'd be able to stand such torture. I'd have folded pretty fast!
@@valarianne2284 IKR! I would not able to withstand stand Torture either! That’s why I had to walk away from Star Trek completely after the Torture of what is Modern Trek. 😢 It’s hard to look back and realize that we will never have Great Thought Provoking Stories and Moral Lessons like in“Chain of Command”, “The Drum Head”, or even “Darmok” again…. at least not anywhere in the near future…😫 *_”Shaka, when the walls fell.”_* 😣
@@valarianne2284 I would have folded the first time he told me to say there were 5 lights. People have this funny thing with "pride". Pride is worthless and holds no value at all. It only leads to destruction. I know there are 4 lights but if saying 5 stops the torture... I am going to choose to stop the torture. Now... to get me to confess to a crime I did not commit... that one is a little bit different. If I was falsely accused of speeding I would just pay the fine and go. But for murder... I would fight it. Which brings us to another problem in the American "legal" system... prosecutors threatening people with years of jail time and overzealous prosecution if they don't do quick and simple plea bargains giving DA's easy wins. Corruption is just a casual word to describe the US legal system... it is rotten to the core evil now!
NEVER CALL POLICE !!! On 2 occasions over a 15 year time period, I called police to ask about accident reports, because I was worried about my wife (at the time), as I could not reach her by phone after a long period of time. In both cases, the police showed up to my home uninvited to bang on my door and to verbally harass me about her disappearance. Thankfully she showed up in both cases. Otherwise I believe they would have arrested me. Note I have no record and am totally clean, no arrests and no convictions. NEVER TRUST THE POLICE
🚩FACT🚩This is typical practice in all authoritarian regimes 🤦♀️ Detectives there get more money (promotions) when they close cases so fast. The system itself encourages closing cases asap even by scapegoating innocent people in order to appear as if the regime can catch criminals early (of course, without much care about the truth)🤏
It's like they did it for laughs and kicks. It makes me wonder if law enforcement paid any attention in history class and the lessons on tyrannical governments. If they did pay attention do they somehow conclude the lessons were pro tyrannical governments
Typical for mindless demon possessed zombies. I am aware that this phenomenon has been highly marketed after the fact. This is training gone very very wrong and not apart of public service whatsoever. 😨
That would be doing your job. You don't expect that? You have to think how many other investigations where legit with these officers. How many other people they set up.
Cops need their "right to lie" revoked. If I lie to a cop that's a crime, as such if a cop lies to me that too should be a crime. Police officers should be considered "under oath" at all times while on duty.
I disagree. I've seen little lies have helped in interigations vids, but it should be limited. Besides, I don't think lying is the issue here. Isn't the police not bothering to do their job and denying a guy his medication.
@@onba7726 Even if it works, in the same situation with an innocent person they are going to think the police have evidence that they do not, which will inevitably gaslight the subject into thinking that they have lost their grip on reality. Also, knowing that they are allowed to lie, even a little means that you Can Not trust them in an interview whether you're innocent or not. They could still gather evidence and ask leading questions that could reveal knowledge of the crime but even this can be abused if they indirectly give out the information they want from you, so layers should be mandatory.
This is EXACTLY why if arrested you ask for a lawyer then tell them you intend to exercise your 5th Amendment, shut up and nap if you have to. Repeat you want a lawyer if they persist. NEVER believe them.
Fontana has never have very good school scores it wouldn't surprise me to find out they're teaching flat earth alongside abstinence. It's shameful what San Bernardino County has turned into.
Ya I can see the sick bastards going around the detective office we got an innocent man to confess to something he didn’t do or for a crime that never even happened. Man you guys are master interrogators
@@Srode1999, given promotions with well deserved increases in wages and benefits. Accolades on the local TV stations. Glowing articles in the local newspapers. Certificates of Appreciation from the City! Given a parade in their honor, attended by the entire Police Force (on overtime) and all City employees!! A grand time was celebrated by all!!! 🤗 😵💫 😳 🤪 😜 It's the American Way!! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
The police likely didn't bother to inform him that his father was alive because they were still debating the possibility of charging him with criminal obstruction of justice for falsely confessing to a crime that didn't occur.
Something similar happened to a fellow who was accused of killing a little girl. They couldn't get him on the murder so they got him for perjury. He spent 2 years in prison. When they found the real killer, cops tried everything to get the killer to implicate the man, but even the killer had more integrity than the cops. He refused. This is why you never ever talk to cops.
I think we can all agree that the man was guilty of something. What that something is, is really the question. I think we need the dog to snitch on him before continuing.
That's because politicians didn't have to worry about looking "soft on crime" when they made the military follow those rules. Pass laws to afford American citizens those same protections and those politicians would be voted out in a heartbeat.
I enlisted in the 70s. One of the first classes we had in Basic was on what constitutes following a lawful order and what constitutes a war crime. I'm pretty sure that this class was mandated in light of a well-known massacre that had recently occurred. Unfortunately, the US government now uses loopholes in the law to routinely torture federal detainees. The police do this too, only on a somewhat lesser scale. "Pain compliance" walks a fine line between a legitimate policing technique and torture. You can inflict mental anguish as well as physical pain.
Or allow them to be recalled like the military can. Hey you know that retirement and pension...well we are recalling you to for you and take it away. I would love to make that phone call
I'd like to know why the DA is not pressing charges against the officers involved. Just because the victim accepted a settlement for his civil case does not preclude criminal charges.
Any attorney who has had someone convicted based on the men’s (not officers, they have no right to the title) testimony should immediately ask for a mistrial.
@@avi8r66 I disagree. The is literally Torture, a Violation of your Constitutional rights. Even if you did MASS MURDER, if they got a confession from you this way, you should be FULLY PARDEN and never allied to be charged for that crime again as punishment to the police and government for how badly they fucked up
The mind blowing thing about this story is not what the cops did because sadly that is the state of our judicial system but the fact that these 4 officers are allowed to remain on the job for what they have done and for the taxpayers to pay for it.
@@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes Really? Why are Communists always denied credit? Their damage dwarfs the destruction by national socialists by orders of magnitude.
Look up a psychologist called Joost Meerloo. He wrote the seminal work on the mind-game tactics used by both those regimes at their height and how they operated. It's fascinating, grim, but worth the read. Title is "The (R-word) of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing" (replace the R-word with a 4-letter word YT doesn't like)
Yes, this is classic totalitarian / authoritarian behavior. Watch out for politicians who undercut judges and juries★, who, in the end, are our only protection. ★ including false accusations of corruption
@@markmixon1121 No it is not. I live in a city of about 300,000. Our police are fabulous, we pay a lot more than neighboring towns, but we get what we pay for. There is a waiting list to apply for a job here. I live in a low income mixed race neighborhood and have had the opportunity to see my police in action. I came home from work about 11 PM and their was a drunk minority man laying half in the street and half in my drive. It is not a busy street so I called the non emergency number to report it because the temperature outside was about 10 degrees F. I had room to drive around him safely and go in my house. I then went into an upstairs closet where I am in complete darkness and can open the window and evesdrop. In 3 or 4 minutes a patrol car came. One officer went over to the man and said " Mr so and so you seem to be having some trouble. How can we help you? The Drunk said I keep falling down and am getting cold." The officer would you like us to help you up and take you to the shelter where you live? The man said yes sir that would be very very nice. thank you" The 2 officers gently helped him up and into the back of the car. Another time I came home in middle of afternoon. 6 or 7 of my older or disabled neighbors were sitting on a wall across the street and there were 6 police cars. They had stopped a car with 4 non white young men, and an officer had then spread them out on both sides of the street and they were quietly questing them individually. After about 5 minutes the officers had a brief conference. 2 of the men were arrested and 2 walked to the bus stop around the corner, All the people on the wall clapped for the police for doing a good job. Turned out driver had a warrent, 2nd guy had a fairly large bag of pot fall out of his pants when he walked across street. The other 2 men were not wanted and behaved respectfully to the police they went home. Our police have been trained to be polite and respectful to everyone. To avoid escalating a situation. They have invested in themselves by getting a 4 year police science college degree. These include courses in social work, psychology, and other important courses for the police job. The police department then trains them on shooting, safely tackling someone. etc. When needed they know we have enough people to give them backup. Our swat team sniper got 1st place in the regional skills competition. If force is needed they are ready and able to use it.. But they are paid and treated like skilled professional people should be. They know the general public likes and appreciates them for the hard job they have chosen to do.
the man had to recover his dog from a rescue shelter that saved it from being euthanised. the dog had a microchip. the police literally tried to have his dog put down.
Thanks for the additional detail. I am wondering about the dad going to the airport without his wallet. I'm sure an id is required to travel. Anything explaining that?
@@CalPil0t Starting May 2025, you will need a passport or Real ID-enabled driver's license to travel by air. But the original deadline was 2023 - they've delayed it twice. Because of the frequent ad campaigns about this, a lot of people already began traveling by air with their passport. Him not taking his cell phone is more suspicious. But depending how old the dad was, it may not be that big a deal. Older people aren't as beholden to their phones as younger people.
The same cops will obey unconstitutional laws when tyrants crack down.
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"Nobody needs to fear the police if they haven't done anything wrong." Cases like this one (and there are many more) make me so angry I'd like to make a book out of all these cases and then bash the people who put forth the BS above with this book.
I would guess he took that lowball offer to prove he wasn't in it for the money. I wish it'd been taken before a jury 'cuz it would've been a hell of a lot more!
End qualified immunity, If cops had to pay for actions like this they wouldn't do it. Also they should never be allowed to just switch departments when they screw up. It should cost them there Certs.
@@jimdavis1566 it's definitely 100% totally the first time those cops (or any cops) have done this. it definitely doesn't sound like a routine thing for these cops. at all.
@@scslre No it isn't. This is NOT the first time. They do this EVERY single time. There are literally videos released on youtube about this, there are DOCUMENTARIES about this. For fucks sake Steve HIMSELF talks about a story of this happening to a TEENAGE in this video!
Most cops and lawyers don't care who's guilty or innocent, they just want to "solve" or win a case at Any cost... actually at any body's cost. Disgusting !!
When I started studying law, i was listening to an audio tape...between 4 and 8(I forget now), mixed sheriff local PD stormed a house w/o warrant and held his wife in separate room while they ransacked his house and two of them beat him and threatened him coercion style to sign a consent of search waiver, unknowingly he had seen them amassing outside and setup a surveillance camera on a bookshelf and recorded the whole incident. Two were fired, three were sentenced to 3-6 years prison, and he won suit for mega millions. This was twenty years back, and look whats changed, absolutely nothing!! Come'on people, stop accepting government 'gimmees' and help stop this shit!!!
This is a legitimate threat they make. It happened to me when I reported a coworker for permanently damaging my property. It would have cost thousands to repair and when I went in to interview with the cops, they threatened to charge me with filling false charges. Never give in to these scum if you're innocent.
This is far more common than people realize. When faced with the choice of confessing to a crime you didn't do in exchange for a fine or probation, or spending your life savings and your retirement to fight in court and have years in prison if you lose the rational choice for many people is to plead guilty to a crime you didn't commit.
Since a settlement was reached, they're not. Had it gone to trial, there's a significantly non-zero probability that a morally bankrupt judge would be like "sure you can have qualified immunity".
Officers David Janusz, Jeremy Hale, Ronald Koval, Robert Miller and Joanna Piña. Anybody, who has ever been arrested by any of these officers, get a lawyer.
The interrogating officers should be on the hook for the settlement (and it should have been 10 times what it was). Every case this police department got a confession in needs to be re-tried.
I agree with you, but I think that policing has always been broken and the reason it looks so bad today is because of the use of cell phones and police body cams. JMHO.
@@Al-Fiallos You're mostly right; policing has always relied on abusing the vulnerable, but the scale of the abuse has skyrocketed with the drug war and the rise of the prison industrial complex. It started the way it was designed, targeting those with high melanin and other "undesirables", but as pocket filled it quickly quit caring who filled them as long as beds kept getting filled. At this point where these human warehouses are popping up like mushrooms across the country, we get to share witness with our cameras what the recruiters are willing to do to stay employed filling them.
I keep thinking, "Now I've heard it all; there can't be anything worse than this." Then, the next worse thing comes along. Now I'm thinking, "Now I've heard it all....Please don't let there be anything worse!"
They DON'T have the authority to do what they did. They have power just like every other criminal. Authority comes from the constitution/law which they shredded.
Psychological torture is a real and terrifying thing that happens to many people for all kinds of reasons. It's inhumane and horrific and disgusting and terrifying to live through.
I was waiting for the twist to follow. The father came home, couldn't find his son, called the police for his son , accused of killing his son, coerce confession, wash, rinse, repeat.
This has been standard practice for at least 30 years. A friend of mine confessed to 3 crimes in 1994 after being interrogated for 16 hours. He was held in lockdown and not allowed to sleep, have any food for 10 hours before his interrogation. His confession was eventually thrown out, as were the charges. He was awarded attorneys fees, and $15,000 in a settlement, but NOBODY was held accountable for the false imprisonment, coercion or false arrest. Nothing changed. Fast forward to now....same practices
@@kurtwetzel154 LEO testimony and reports in court are believed in court as if they are omnipotent by juries and judges all the time. An FBI analyst had literally ALL of his forensic work thrown out for around 40 cases because he "decided" those being investigated should be in jail. Look it up! At the time I was dating a person in the County forensic lab, and she didn't even know what a double blind test was. Law enforcement just trust them because they are "career" employees
Besides the evil that the LEOs did, there is what they did NOT do- 1. The father may have been legitimately missing, with fewer resources spent looking for him 2. What actual crimes were not investigated while they went after this?
"There is no human situation so miserable that it cannot be made worse by the presence of the police." --Brendan Behan Dad goes missing, son seeks police help, police torture son. Yeah, we live in an amazing time.
