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The Polish-Soviet War was one of the biggest conflicts after the armistice of 1918 and the culmination point of the many sub-conflicts that made up the Western Front of the Russian Civil War. The question about the Polish-Russian border was decided with armored trains, cavalry charges and also on the negotiating table.
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@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 4 года назад
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@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 4 года назад
I've been watching a lot of your video's and although I still have plenty more to watch. I have a question: Why did you never talk about the American Flying Ace of the Great War Eddie Richenbacker. You talked about a lot of other Flying Aces except this guy. Could you please make a video on him. I feel very strongly that he deserves this on your channel.
@ameliaalvarez1079
@ameliaalvarez1079 4 года назад
I think you missed an episode, it was years ago. Try to catch up
@ameliaalvarez1079
@ameliaalvarez1079 4 года назад
Although he deserves a special bio episode, i agree
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 4 года назад
@@ameliaalvarez1079---It's possible I might have missed that episode. I've seen a lot of this channel's video's and a lot that I haven't. Could you please tell me which episode Richenbacker is on so I can see it.
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 4 года назад
@@ameliaalvarez1079---If their really isn't an episode on Richenbacker then this channel should make one. Because I would love to see what this channel has to say about the guy.
@JagerLange
@JagerLange 4 года назад
The channel hasn't missed a beat since going to the quarantine bunker - thank you and hope everyone is doing fine.
@maxmuller8633
@maxmuller8633 4 года назад
This is like if Indy passed out and his son took over his channel
@raymondkisner9240
@raymondkisner9240 4 года назад
Exactly ! Indy other series are doing great too!
@viliussmproductions
@viliussmproductions 4 года назад
There's quite a bit of echo, sadly. Perhaps recording in a different environment for the sections showing map graphics or historical footage?
@ericvantassell6809
@ericvantassell6809 4 года назад
@@viliussmproductions have some cheeze with that whine
@viliussmproductions
@viliussmproductions 4 года назад
@@ericvantassell6809 "Hey, bro, you've got something on your shirt there" "Woah, are you calling him ugly? Wtf, whiner!"
@tomaszbukowski249
@tomaszbukowski249 4 года назад
one of the american pilots on Polish side was Merian Cooper, creator of King Kong.
@Wladyslaw_Raginis
@Wladyslaw_Raginis 4 года назад
Woooow, nice!
@marcinterlecki6021
@marcinterlecki6021 4 года назад
And a father of Maciej Słomczyński aka Joe Alex ...
@BmorePatriot
@BmorePatriot Год назад
Didn’t know that. Nice that the King Kong creator was an Polish - Russian war veteran. Thanks for that cool fact.
@DotepenecPL
@DotepenecPL 4 года назад
Dispute over Vilnius, conflicts with the Germans and Czechoslovakia, wars against Ukrainians and Soviets - there was a joke in 1918/1919: Q: What is the largest country in the world? A: Poland. It has no borders.
@NeveroOn
@NeveroOn 4 года назад
Great :) Sadly for europe, that kind of nationalism lead to tentions and war in europe in the between time of the ww-s.
@DotepenecPL
@DotepenecPL 4 года назад
@@NeveroOn That was more sarcasm than nationalism, nationalistic one goes: "Poland white and red, from the White Sea to the Red Sea". :P PS Or: Q: With whom does Russia have a border? A: With whomever Russia wants. Q: And with whom does it want? A: With nobody.
@stargazer4683
@stargazer4683 4 года назад
lmao
@marcinmalczewski310
@marcinmalczewski310 4 года назад
Thats what happend when you regain your place on the map after 123 years of participations. Its very similiar towards Isrel regain its terytory. They start with enemy fires from all sides.
@OrkosUA
@OrkosUA 4 года назад
@@marcinmalczewski310 I do not recall Israel taking Egypt for long
@calebshonk5838
@calebshonk5838 4 года назад
I love that you guys are covering this and the aftermath of WW1. Here in the US, our history classes generally don't cover anything in Europe between December 1918 and August 1939.
@diarradunlap9337
@diarradunlap9337 4 года назад
Also tends to skip anything in Asia from 1898 to 1941.
@janwojtyna3392
@janwojtyna3392 2 года назад
Unless you take AP history y'all don't even teach US history right way...
@christopherjustice6411
@christopherjustice6411 4 года назад
I’m developing a Call of Cthulhu character who’s background includes service in the Polish Army during the Polish-Soviet War. So this episode was very useful to me.
@christopherjustice6411
@christopherjustice6411 4 года назад
Joshua N. Ajang Actually Call of Cthulhu is the name of a tabletop role playing game based off of Lovecraft’s work. Though it’s often easily confused with “The Call of Cthulhu” which is one of Lovecraft’s short stories.
@schutzemiguel
@schutzemiguel 4 года назад
whose is the correct form :)
@bobbyd.roberson5588
@bobbyd.roberson5588 4 года назад
I was today years old when I learned there was a Polish-American volunteer air division in the Polish-Soviet War.
@gregski4130
@gregski4130 4 года назад
I still can't figure out why Hollywood didn't make move about these guys. You have everything here. War, adventure, love, tragedy, exotic places and it is unknown to the world so completely unexplored subject.
@tomskonieczka2385
@tomskonieczka2385 4 года назад
@@gregski4130 eastern Europe just does not seem to appeal to American audiences. when you mention Poland to most people in the US they think of eternal winters and potatoes.
@kstreet7438
@kstreet7438 4 года назад
@@tomskonieczka2385 not nit picking but isn't Poland central Europe?
@WhiteCamry
@WhiteCamry 4 года назад
@@kstreet7438 That depends on how you look at it.
@kstreet7438
@kstreet7438 4 года назад
@@WhiteCamry seems like before cold war it was central but during and after it seen as eastern now
@ScreenSpectrumFilms
@ScreenSpectrumFilms 4 года назад
The Polish-Soviet war is always fun to learn about for me because some of my ancestors were Bolsheviks and some were Polish.
@OtherM112594
@OtherM112594 4 года назад
Must’ve been some awkward family reunions
@lucidnonsense942
@lucidnonsense942 4 года назад
Yeah, I hear you... My grandfather got sent to Auschwitz for serving in the Polish resistance (survived), his brother (my great uncle) was in the French Foreign Legion, the wrong part that was controlled by Vichy France... whoops... That's before we even start on the Bavarian branch of the family. It was a mess.
@biohyde6039
@biohyde6039 4 года назад
@@OtherM112594 Why Is that? Bolsheviks were not nationalists, they upheld the rights of working people regarding of nationality, while our current governments can't even enforce a livable minimum wage.
@fuhq5121
@fuhq5121 4 года назад
@@biohyde6039 socialism hasn't taught you anything has it.
@biohyde6039
@biohyde6039 4 года назад
@@fuhq5121 I have no idea how you came to such a stupid conclusion.
@dawnandy7777
@dawnandy7777 3 года назад
I particularly like the memoirs. My grandfather fought in these battles. My mother was separated from him as a child when the Soviets occupied eastern Poland. She was sent to one gulag, her father and family to another, never to meet again. She only had vague recollections of family stories. As an adult I realized my grandfather was badly damaged psychologically from from his war experiences, both WWI and the Polish-Soviet war. The memoirs shed light on what he likely lived through. PTSD has generational consequences.
@pablojn4826
@pablojn4826 Год назад
Source? Name? City of birth? Certificates? Nothing?
@manfredvonrichthofen2673
@manfredvonrichthofen2673 4 года назад
Damn it is going to take a miracle to save the Poles.
@noobster4779
@noobster4779 4 года назад
Well, this time it is truly their onw fault.
@brendo1143
@brendo1143 4 года назад
Noobster I think you didn’t get a joke
@robertsantuzs7119
@robertsantuzs7119 4 года назад
Definitely. I sure hope it also takes place near a river.
@Angmir
@Angmir 4 года назад
@@brendo1143 Plus he seems clueless of the actual outcome of the war.
@manfredvonrichthofen2673
@manfredvonrichthofen2673 4 года назад
Noobster I am sure there is no way the Russians army could be effectively destroyed at the Vistula.
@delusionnnnn
@delusionnnnn 4 года назад
Norman Davies is more of a specialist when it comes to Poland and eastern Europe, but when it comes to Europe as a whole, he tends to write more for general audiences. His book "Europe: A History" is enormous yet very accessible. I cannot recommend it enough. I've bought the book four times (three times used) because I've given it away to friends three times. I also bought it recently on Audible a week or so ago but haven't started it yet, it's next in the queue. His book "The Isles: A History" about the British Isles is similarly huge and yet accessible.
@yarpen26
@yarpen26 4 года назад
Davies is a bit too biased in favor of Poland though. Something many foreigners that get infatuated with a particular country tend to do.
@delusionnnnn
@delusionnnnn 4 года назад
@@yarpen26 Many of his more narrowly-focused books are about Poland, or northeastern Europe. I would have to say that "Europe: A History" does not suffer from this, however. I really enjoyed it.
@bartomiejszumski4185
@bartomiejszumski4185 4 года назад
He wrote entire book about this war,it's "White eagle, Red star".
@jasse803
@jasse803 4 года назад
Absolutely awesome. I applaud your knowledge and the way you share it with all of us. It is very, well, emotional. Thanx!
@d0nutwaffle
@d0nutwaffle 4 года назад
I find it amusing that the Leage of Nations in 1919 were calling the happenings in current day Belarus as Central Europe, whereas today people seem to call even the western/central Poland as "Eastern Europe"
@P9124
@P9124 4 года назад
East\West divide is result of political simplification not geography. Most people are simply very slow to catch on.
@kalabancjusz
@kalabancjusz 4 года назад
@@P9124 yes, almost 30 after the fall of Warsaw Pact many people still view this region eastern block - c'mon it existed only 45 years while some its nations for over millenium
@specialnewb9821
@specialnewb9821 4 года назад
@@kalabancjusz Even in Germany there is a noticeable economic divide between west and east today. Yes the Warsaw Pact/Soviet Bloc whatever lasted a relatively short time, but the effects persist. Until that fades more that viewpoint is going to persist. I'm sure as more people who grew up thinking of Poland as a Soviet Satellite pass on it will fade too.
@blase777
@blase777 4 года назад
It's kinda amusing to see some people considering modern Poland as a part of Eastern Europe, while at the same time they think that Germany is in the Western Europe (although 1/3 of Poland's postwar territory belonged to the Germans, so... the East/West distinction applies only to certain countries/nations?)
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 года назад
Most people still think of the East/West divide in Cold War terms, even though most of the countries in the former Soviet bloc are now members of the EU. I wonder whether that's a permanent cultural shift or future political developments will make it change...
@MorrowMatty
@MorrowMatty 4 года назад
Poland withdraws from Kiev Kiev: "Ah shit, here we go again."
@pacthug4life
@pacthug4life 4 года назад
The situation in the region considering all aspects was very complicated. When we look at the ethnic situation in Galicia for example we'll see that Western Galicia was ethnically Polish, Eastern was mixed. According to polish census from 1921 in Lwów Voivodeship, 1 537 986 (56,58%) citizens declared to be Polish and 975 268 (35,88%) to be Ukrainian, in Tarnopol Voivodeship 642 546 (44,98%) declared to be Polish and 714 031 (49,98%) to be Ukrainian. Only province of east Galicia with clear Ukrainian majority was the Stanisławów Voivodeship where Polish population was at the level of 20% with 299 033 inhabitants claiming to be Polish and 941 335 (69,8%) to be Ukrainian. If you add all those number up, you will get 2 479 565 Poles and 2 630 634 Ukrainians. It would be very hard to draw borders based on ethnicity
@thezeitos469
@thezeitos469 3 года назад
That is nothing unusual. In border regions ethnicities often mix to varying degrees, especially when historicly borders of nations shift.
@pacthug4life
@pacthug4life 3 года назад
@Semper Fidelis It's true. Austrians used divide and rule in Galicia, sometimes giving power to Ukrainians, sometimes to Poles to create animosity
@paratatruc
@paratatruc 2 года назад
I had liked to see the source for these numbers. Poles were around 20% of the population in eastern Galicia. And I think you may have forgotten in your calculation a third ethnicity in eastern Galicia, although it represented in this period a sixth of the population...
@pacthug4life
@pacthug4life 2 года назад
@@paratatruc Is reading with understanding really that difficult?
@paratatruc
@paratatruc 2 года назад
@@pacthug4life Yeah what did I misread? And what are your sources?
@jimmusser5340
@jimmusser5340 4 года назад
This was an excellent lecture. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 4 года назад
Great job, Jesse and Flo. Liked and shared.
@ZeitgeistGaming69
@ZeitgeistGaming69 4 года назад
This is one of the coolest channels on RU-vid.
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
Fact! ;)
@AzherMirzaBaig
@AzherMirzaBaig Год назад
stopped, more like invaded the soviet union to take territory where predominately non polish people lived who didn't wish to be ruled by the imperial polish nobles who started taking land and persecuting the non polish indigenous population. This wasn't a defensive attack, it was an invasion of the soviet union which was a continuation of other invasions of the soviet union starting from 1918. these are facts.
@MZ-nj1hs
@MZ-nj1hs 9 дней назад
Seems like they were just too weak and disorganised to create their own country. Should have been thankful they were on the polish side of the border
@paititi
@paititi 2 года назад
All "The Great War" episodes are wonderfully done, and much appreciated!
@victorbruant389
@victorbruant389 4 года назад
I've been a fan of The Great War since October 23rd 2077.
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 4 года назад
Bruh same!
@walidhousni3186
@walidhousni3186 4 года назад
Ah yes me too I remember that at this time they already finish the 1973 Arab Israeli war, day by day 100 years ago And they were preparing for a new season about the Soviet Afghan war
@janwacawik7432
@janwacawik7432 4 года назад
I presume the one thing your learnt here is that war... war never changes.
@brianoneil9662
@brianoneil9662 4 года назад
Do you know James Cole?
@victorbruant389
@victorbruant389 4 года назад
@@brianoneil9662 No, why?
@MrQmicic
@MrQmicic 4 года назад
You totally misunderstand words of Adam Mickiewicz. When he wrote "Lithuania, my Home!" He was referring to north eastern part of Commonwealth not Lithuania as a country. Commonwealth consisted of three main regions before 1792 - Crown, Lithuania and Ukraine.
@grigol101
@grigol101 3 года назад
Don't be silly. There was no Ukraine. The Commonwealth was divided into Greater Poland, Lesser Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Some more territories were under the protectorate of the Commonwealth. The captured Russian lands in Lesser Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were called Rus, but not Ukraine.
@oblakaniec
@oblakaniec 2 года назад
He just translated "Litwo, Ojczyzno moja" to the audience and rightly pointed out that the identities could be very different back then, and the words like "Lithuania/Litwa" could have a completely different meaning. A person like Mickiewicz (even if not Mickiewicz himself) could be Polish by culture, mostly Belarusian by blood and call himself Lithuanian.
@mareksicinski3726
@mareksicinski3726 2 года назад
@@grigol101 Greater Poland and lesser poland are two regions of poland, not all Ukraine was part of GDL but got moved to Poland as an extension of lesser Poland partly There was mazovia, Prussia, part of Pomerania
@mareksicinski3726
@mareksicinski3726 2 года назад
@Semper Fidelis he had a slightly different idea of Poland too tho
@mareksicinski3726
@mareksicinski3726 2 года назад
Yea this is a pretty unstudied misreading
@pbart7474
@pbart7474 4 года назад
I can see you're posing to be objective, but you're forgetting to give a full picture why Adam Mickiewicz was saying that Luthuania is his motherland, but still considered himself to be Polish. It's enough to look at the map of europe from XIV-XVIII century and everything will be clear. Despite of such obvius thing you simply "forget" to mention that fact.
@remymargotton2774
@remymargotton2774 Месяц назад
Cuuuz it's.. not... really... important... dude. A XVIII n century map doesn't necessearly fit with the material demographic reality of the 1-2 following one's 🤷‍♂️...
@markyapp
@markyapp 3 года назад
Major props for pronunciation of some of the hardest words to speak in any language. Excellent series with deep insight and unknown (or unwanted) history
@mikemancuso2526
@mikemancuso2526 3 года назад
Thank you Poland for 1920! Dziekuje Polska dla 1920! Greetings from Canada.
@yakovfillin1931
@yakovfillin1931 3 года назад
There 's nothing to greet them about.
@mikemancuso2526
@mikemancuso2526 2 года назад
@for business GUILAG!?!? What's that??
@CC-8891
@CC-8891 2 года назад
@@yakovfillin1931 go back to Russia loser.
@niepowaznyczlowiek
@niepowaznyczlowiek 2 года назад
@@yakovfillin1931 Oh there is, it saved Europe from a lot of bad
@maximkretsch7134
@maximkretsch7134 Год назад
​@@niepowaznyczlowiekNo, it just saved itself, after having started a war against Soviet Russia.
@cookingonthecheapcheap6921
@cookingonthecheapcheap6921 4 года назад
Thank you for the videos guys, I supported the Berlin special and have ear marked a day to watch the whole thing. Love the channel, thank you guys.
@OchotaJack
@OchotaJack 4 года назад
Also it would be interesting to hear some more on this famous Lord Curzon, all knowing geographer of nations worldwide with no hesitation to decifer borders from Indian Ocean to Baltic, uninvited and elected by nobody to draw lines on maps shaping nations, frontlines and local antagonism till present day.
@Valdagast
@Valdagast 4 года назад
To be fair, there was no way to draw lines on maps that wouldn't have created lasting antagonism and war. Trying to force through ethnic independency in Central and Eastern Europe is an exercise in futility.
@OchotaJack
@OchotaJack 4 года назад
@@Valdagast I completely agree with You. One may even say that humanity worldwide was completely unprapared to somewhat suprising gifts of enlighted modernity called nations, national borders and idenities . It is pnly nowadays assumed to be obvious and ever present. For millenia backward driven individuals and whole comunities in very unresponsible way settled around the world with no respect to the 'inevitable laws of progress in history' brought by all courzons big and small. ;) sorry for sarcasm;) I dont argue with You that task was impossible to accomplish. At least in any way concerning very basic rights of individuals. I dont even consider Curzon to do particularry bad in comparison to future executors of this bright ideas under svastika and red star. However I would feel very inopportunate if I were to go tell e.g. Tutsi and Hutu, or Sunni and Shias if I had this magic pencil to shape heir communities while sitting comfortably by the desk in some mansion on the other side of the world. Even if I were extremely well informed and educated about this peoples social, economic, historic and all other contexts. basically I have no respect for such approaches. Look at the Berlin conference not very long before described events. Look at those fat thugs drawing straight lines across Africa and all the consequences..
@silverdeathgamer2907
@silverdeathgamer2907 4 года назад
@poewhite Globalism and an authoritarian regime are not the only options, being influenced and controlled by powerful economies is probably better than being subjugated by an oppressive state.
@zoperxplex
@zoperxplex 4 года назад
Lord Curzon simply applied the Prussian and Austrian borders with Russia following the Third Partition of Poland.
@silverdeathgamer2907
@silverdeathgamer2907 4 года назад
@poewhite Yes that is true however nationality and the nation is deeply ingrained in many places today and would be difficult to displace, that will limit integration at a point and may be enough to prevent borderless states. There will always be a decent chunk of a nation's population resistant to change. Also populism seems to be on the rise around the world and coronavirus has weakened fate in current supply chains so we will see if things continue as they had previously.
@filipkopec525
@filipkopec525 4 года назад
In defense of Poland, I must to say that Vilno, the capital of Lithuania by the time, was majority Polish. That is one example as to why Poland did not want a curzon line as its border.
@OrkosUA
@OrkosUA 4 года назад
It was still a lithuanian city by the same way Germans later would demand Danzig. Why would their claim would be denied by you then?
@filipkopec525
@filipkopec525 4 года назад
@@OrkosUA I do not understand you. Maybe try simplifying your sentence.
@filipkopec525
@filipkopec525 4 года назад
@zero signal You may be a pole, but not a historian. Poland was not fighting for Danzig. Poland did not have Danzig. Poland gained so called Polish Cirridor in the treaty of versalies, without the fight. If you are a pole, why are you writing Lwów so weird.
@HerrRelke
@HerrRelke 4 года назад
@@OrkosUA Lithuanians population in Vilno was about 2%.
@Wladyslaw_Raginis
@Wladyslaw_Raginis 4 года назад
@zero signal That may be true but remember two things: 1. Gdańsk was a strategic point for Poles to get into the Baltic sea. 2. Hitler wouldn't stop invading if they would've gotten democratically Gdańsk. We've seen what happened with Czechoslovakia...
@PacificFrontUntold
@PacificFrontUntold 2 года назад
This is presumably the most professional and impressive history documentary ever posted on RU-vid. Congratulations to the whole team at RTH. Luminous achievement!
@Custerd1
@Custerd1 4 года назад
Another stellar presentation. Kudos!
@ivanstrydom8417
@ivanstrydom8417 3 года назад
I love Poland so much, it's culture, it's history and its people. I do hope that once this pandemic has abated , to go visit the spectacularly beautiful country again. From an admiring South African.
@JurateRimkute
@JurateRimkute Год назад
The thing I don’t like about Poland is their xenophobia, homophobia and abortion prohibition.
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 4 года назад
This was a very interesting video. Always nice to know about little known events in world history and this war sure is one of them.
@Macqucz
@Macqucz 4 года назад
What is the source of the claim of Pilsudski's antisemitism (6:20)? Curious because general sentiment towards him in that matter is quite the opposite
@martinledermann1862
@martinledermann1862 4 года назад
Exactly! As a Jew I can confirm that this allegation is very odd indeed... Please check out my other comment for the sources I cite which go against that baseless allegation. I hope Jesse will be able to see it. It's too bad when contra-factual claims are smuggled in an otherwise well-researched video.
@tomskonieczka2385
@tomskonieczka2385 4 года назад
@@martinledermann1862 PIlsudski was extremely tolerant of minorities and religious groups.
@martinledermann1862
@martinledermann1862 4 года назад
@@tomskonieczka2385 I know, that's what I was saying - the claim made in this video is incorrect.
@tomskonieczka2385
@tomskonieczka2385 4 года назад
@@martinledermann1862 this channel has made repeated anti-polish comments. They insist on spreading anti-polish propaganda.
@peterc.1419
@peterc.1419 3 года назад
This channel is not historically accurate. They should be reported to RU-vid Trust and Safety for spreading hate towards minorities - Poles.
@LitD
@LitD 4 года назад
On the subject of Poland's search for allies its worth adding: Станіслаў Булак-Балаховіч (Stanisłaŭ Bułak-Bałachovič did create a Belarussian army in alliance with Poland but it was even weaker than that of Petluras Ukrainians (at its peak it consisted of 1 cavalry and 4 infantry regiments). Latvia, though grateful for Polish help in pushing the Bolsheviks out of Latvia in the winter of 1920 (the operation, notabene, was commanded by the same Rydz-Śmigły who later commanded the Kiev offensive) were uninterested in further conflict and signed a separate peace treaty. Attempts at reaching an agreement with Denekin's White Russian's almost immediately collapsed due to the later's hostility to any prospect of change to Russia's 1914 borders, though he was begrudgingly willing to accept a Polish-Russian border on the Bug river it was too little, too late. Notabene this is also the reason why essentially nobody in the region was willing to help the White Russians, it's hard to expect allies if your starting point in negotiations is "We do not accept your nations independence".
@yarpen26
@yarpen26 4 года назад
I guess Denikin simply felt bound by a 19th century officer's honor not to lie to his allies about his intentions. Stalin or Churchill would have simply said "sure guys, no prob, I promise you're gonna get anything you want" and then simply defaulted on this citing some lame excuse. Some among the Tzarist officers during and after the war would shoot themselves upon being defeated not for fear of punishment or capture but simply because they felt they had failed their ruler.
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
Poor Bu-Ba got cut from this episode, it was getting too long...
@LitD
@LitD 4 года назад
@@jessealexander2695 Is there a chance of him appearing in a future episode?
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
@@LitD Yes, there is a chance.
@alexlehrersh9951
@alexlehrersh9951 Год назад
Nope it because most od those western independence fighters were leftist so they wanted to habe an red russia.
@1.99happymealwithfries7
@1.99happymealwithfries7 4 года назад
I hope in 2120 somebody creates holographic history of the 2020's this detailed.
@Septimus_ii
@Septimus_ii 4 года назад
'The 2019 Coronovirus' would make quite an interesting documentary with enough hindsight
@ingolfleiblle6661
@ingolfleiblle6661 4 года назад
Just wait 100 years. They might to get sense about it, but don`t hold your breath until then.
@matijas9989
@matijas9989 4 года назад
Litwo, Ojczyzno moja! ty jesteś jak zdrowie; Ile cię trzeba cenić, ten tylko się dowie, Kto cię stracił. Dziś piękność twą w całej ozdobie Widzę i opisuję, bo tęsknię po tobie. Panno święta, co Jasnej bronisz Częstochowy I w Ostrej świecisz Bramie! Ty, co gród zamkowy Nowogródzki ochraniasz z jego wiernym ludem! Jak mnie dziecko do zdrowia powróciłaś cudem Gdy od płaczącej matki, pod Twoją opiekę Ofiarowany martwą podniosłem powiekę; I zaraz mogłem pieszo, do Twych świątyń progu Iść za wrócone życie podziękować Bogu Tak nas powrócisz cudem na Ojczyzny łono!... Tymczasem, przenoś moją duszę utęsknioną Do tych pagórków leśnych, do tych łąk zielonych, Szeroko nad błękitnym Niemnem rozciągnionych , Do tych pól malowanych zbożem rozmaitem, Wyzłacanych pszenicą, posrebrzanych żytem; Gdzie bursztynowy świerzop, gryka jak śnieg biała, Gdzie panieńskim rumieńcem dzięcielina pała, A wszystko przepasane jakby wstęgą, miedzą Zieloną, na niej zrzadka ciche grusze siedzą.
@albinkohls888
@albinkohls888 4 года назад
Dziekuje.
@rinyc9100
@rinyc9100 4 года назад
I can kinda read it as a Russian
@jakehammond7491
@jakehammond7491 4 года назад
This should've been a dlc for bf1 instead of bfv.
@SAGENT50
@SAGENT50 4 года назад
I mean, they did “in the name of the tsar”, I’ve much better have a Far East operation based on the Japanese invasion of Tsingtao or an expansion in the German African colonies. More variety
@kamilszadkowski8864
@kamilszadkowski8864 4 года назад
Yeah, I was literally commenting the same back when we still were getting more DLCs for bf1
@jakehammond7491
@jakehammond7491 4 года назад
@@kamilszadkowski8864 hmm maybe a libyian front? I'm surprised we didn't see Serbia or Romania tbh
@CzitusCraft
@CzitusCraft 4 года назад
Oh boy, can't wait for the best part!
@jacobborders1359
@jacobborders1359 4 года назад
If there was another movie made about Battle of Warsaw it would be called: The Day the Sun Stood Still
@ThomasTHEONEANDONLY
@ThomasTHEONEANDONLY 4 года назад
Jacob Borders, How about ‘The Day Lenin Cried’
@jacobborders1359
@jacobborders1359 4 года назад
That’s a great one
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 4 года назад
@Jacob Borders when Stalin didn’t follow orders and the Soviets went home
@jacobborders1359
@jacobborders1359 4 года назад
Stalin was crazy anyways
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 4 года назад
@Jacob Borders the NKVD disagrees...
@Aeyekay0
@Aeyekay0 4 года назад
Great video as usual. This might be a big ask, but do you think it could be possible for you guys to take the weekly episodes from 1914-1918 and condense them into monthly videos? I love watching the channel and learning about WW1 but there’s so many videos
@PolishSoldier1939
@PolishSoldier1939 4 года назад
Fun fact about Kiev Operation, there was no operational plans. Only first phase of operation was planned by Piłsudski's loyal officers: Stachewicz, Wieniawa and Radziwiłł, no one of them had an operational education and experience on this planning level. When Polish Army started quickly advantage on big chunk of territory in 2-3 days, later the army was standing for one week becouse there was no orders, no one planned what's next...
@thpnob8419
@thpnob8419 4 года назад
I’ve been looking forward to this!
@YouTubeIsCriminal
@YouTubeIsCriminal 4 года назад
10:31 Whoah. That mustache ain't playin. 😯
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 года назад
The Polish forces had, on the whole, clearly superior mustaches. I'm surprised that the video fails to mention it.
@MarekUtd
@MarekUtd 4 года назад
Awesome video and great pronunciation of the Polish names. This channel is great!!!
@larrygonzalez4375
@larrygonzalez4375 3 года назад
Greetings from Vilnius-Vilna
@JamesRodriguez-en1pm
@JamesRodriguez-en1pm 4 года назад
Happy 100th year anniversary of the miracle of the Vistula everyone!
@stalgn
@stalgn 4 года назад
Could you give a source for argument that "Piłsudski held antisemitic views"?
@Eric123456355
@Eric123456355 3 года назад
Is bs he didn’t quite opposite
@jaku5796
@jaku5796 3 года назад
I think it won't be possible. Most of the time, if antisemitic riots starts, Piłsudski called to stop it. He wasn't an antisemite, nor was he a philosemite. But maybe this second is now consider as being antisemite ;]
@sharischoll9411
@sharischoll9411 3 года назад
I heard Jesus was an antisemite and they wanted to put a warning on the Bible.
@cookingonthecheapcheap6921
@cookingonthecheapcheap6921 4 года назад
Funny, Jessie looks 10 years younger with the new cam lol. Thanks again everyone, love the content you produce.
@kunalns
@kunalns 4 года назад
This episode covers Polish-Soviet Wars: A New 'Kraine and Polish-Soviet Wars: The First Cavalry Army Strikes Back. Tune in next time for Polish-Soviet Wars: The Return of Pilsudski
@kunalns
@kunalns 4 года назад
@Fabian Kirchgessner There is also a prequel trilogy: The Khmelnytsky Menace, Attack of the Cossacks and Revenge of the Romanovs
@YurManDavid
@YurManDavid 4 года назад
Poland is one of the most metal countries out there
@kstreet7438
@kstreet7438 4 года назад
i'd love to go but Warsaw is like 5,000 miles away.
@ahernandez50
@ahernandez50 4 года назад
Great documentary guys. You just got yourself a new fan (that would be me)
@kalabancjusz
@kalabancjusz 4 года назад
Very good video and the pronunciation of Rydz-Śmigły... and smart tactic to encourage commenting ;) I've never heard thought about Piłsudski's antisemitism - could you elaborate more on that?
@mixererunio1757
@mixererunio1757 4 года назад
There was no such thing. Nor Dmowski was antisemitic. After he left his own party it turned antisemitic but Dmowski himself wasn't antisemitic.
@benselectionforcasting4172
@benselectionforcasting4172 4 года назад
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła
@MS-gr2nv
@MS-gr2nv 4 года назад
Is that eat polish its not rotten?
@benselectionforcasting4172
@benselectionforcasting4172 4 года назад
@@MS-gr2nv nope, "Poland has not yet Perished."
@ripasso27554
@ripasso27554 3 года назад
Я така сама хуйня, тільки ще не вмерли
@maximkretsch7134
@maximkretsch7134 Год назад
Nie jeszcze.
@vattghern257
@vattghern257 4 года назад
14:50 WOOOW you correctly pronounce he's name respect from the Pole.
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
I got a Polish friend to help me out...
@sahteekrem
@sahteekrem 4 года назад
@@jessealexander2695 Then, a small remark: the name "Chicherin" has its stress on the second-to-last syllable: "ChichErin". And Stalin is "Stalin", not "Shtalin". (But that is definitely not smth. of major importance, of course.)
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
@@sahteekrem Yeah, Russian stresses are so unpredictable, and I forgot to look Chicherin up before filming! Stalin was a slip of the tongue from speaking German so often. :)
@dclark142002
@dclark142002 4 года назад
Indeed. I've always wondered how to properly pronounce his name. Now I know. THANK YOU
@sahteekrem
@sahteekrem 4 года назад
@@jessealexander2695 Indeed, our stresses are a nightmare for foreigners. :-D The logic behind the Russian stress pattern has only relatively recently been cracked down... ;-)
@renfors3931
@renfors3931 4 года назад
I have waited for this for a long time
@luisacelaya4362
@luisacelaya4362 4 года назад
Please, talk about Sinkiang during the Russian Civil War!!
@ГригорийГ-ч4н
@ГригорийГ-ч4н 4 года назад
Didn't chineese had their own civil war in the same time...? Also tbh i would like to learn something about it.
@cactus3404
@cactus3404 4 года назад
Chinese* go to school.
@JohnSmith-ts3dt
@JohnSmith-ts3dt 4 года назад
I remember that it was a base for some Whites, and that was it.
@luisacelaya4362
@luisacelaya4362 4 года назад
Smith anda then why kt ended as a Comintern country? (Like Tannu Tuva)
@danielivanov131313
@danielivanov131313 4 года назад
Long life polish brothers!
@wisnia367
@wisnia367 21 день назад
❤️
@Gew219
@Gew219 4 года назад
I think the fact that Poles never even tried to establish any civilian administration east of Zbruch and shifted much of the troops from Kyiv to Belarus proves they were sincere about supporting the creation of independent Ukraine.
@Radonatorr
@Radonatorr 4 года назад
@@doggo5577 Both land in the west and Ukraine as a buffor state between Poland and the Soviets. Those two are not mutually exclusive
@gregski4130
@gregski4130 4 года назад
Problem that there were practically nobody to hand over power. Unfortunately Petlura wasn't able to create Ukrainian state. That was big blow to Piłsudski's ideas. About land, note that during Riga talks Polish limited their demands. Beaten Bolsheviks were ready to give up much more land. The Riga border was practically sanctioned front line.
@yarpen26
@yarpen26 4 года назад
Problem is, Piłsudski was far from being the one decisive voice when it came to distributing the Eastern territories among Poland and its neighbors. It's very likely that even a successful rump Ukrainian state between Poland and Soviet Russia would have soon been annexed by Poland. The same scenario played out in Lithuania: Piłsudski secretly commissioned his loyal troops to take over the Vilnius region and then established a Republic of Central Lithuania, for Catholic Slavic Lithuanians, basically Poles. He hoped then to carve out a Western Lithuania (with its capital in Kaunas, for Baltic Lithuanians) and Eastern Lithuania (with its capital in Minsk, for Orthodox Slavic Lithuanians, basically Belarusians) and then have this tripartite entity be joined with Poland via some sort of federation with basically self-governance except in foreign policy. But then his right-wing opponents in the Sejm gained a majority and voted for annexing Central Lithuania into Poland as another voivodeship. The rump buffer state was gone. To be fair, this federation thing would very likely have failed in its infancy, the same way the Habsburg Empire did. But still, I don't think that Lithuanian historiography is right in painting Piłsudski as this staple Polish villain-he was fairly amicable towards the "small" neighbors of Poland and Russia, even if much of this attiitude was more or less patronizing. But he was not one to opress other cultures and pursue rampant Polonization; that was the policy of his nationalist opponents and even his own successors in the late '30s.
@biohyde6039
@biohyde6039 4 года назад
Problem is that the local people wanted equality, justice, development, and therefore did not support bourgeoisie nationalists. It is sad how modern times humanity once again became polarized dividing into nations rather than working together for a great future.
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 4 года назад
Thanks for the great informative video. Inspires me to research more into this time period
@emilianoconde9647
@emilianoconde9647 4 года назад
Such an interesting subject, I didn’t know anything about it! Thank you, it was very clear. I laughed hard at the very end!!
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
Thanks!
@volkhen0
@volkhen0 4 года назад
Pity that Ukraine didn’t create Ukrainian state. I can understand that they didn’t trust Piłsudski intentions. It was in Poland’s interest to have strong Ukraine as a buffer from Soviet Russia. The biggest issue was the of course land disputes because many lands had mixed population. Anyway I think if Ukrainians would choose to cooperate with Poland they would most likely avoid the Great Holodomor in 30s.
@bingobongo1615
@bingobongo1615 4 года назад
Mariusz Kozłowski If the Poles didn’t attack them maybe the Ukrainians wouldn’t have collapsed so easily under the Soviet attacks...
@Poctyk
@Poctyk 4 года назад
@@bingobongo1615 Nah, internal instability and the inability of governments to solve the painful land ownership question, doomed young Ukrainian republic even before 1920. Between 1917 and 1920 Ukraine had not one, not two but 3 (three) distinct governments.
@satanbrony9235
@satanbrony9235 4 года назад
@@Poctyk Do you take Machno's territory as one of those?:
@Poctyk
@Poctyk 4 года назад
@@satanbrony9235 nah, that's not even an internationally recognized government. If we go this way, I should also add 2-4 (I am too lazy to count now) 100% legit totally not Moscow puppets created by Bolsheviks.
@filipkopec525
@filipkopec525 4 года назад
@@bingobongo1615 Poland fought with a different Ukraine bro
@Scrat335
@Scrat335 3 года назад
Excellent work. Stellar.
@OchotaJack
@OchotaJack 4 года назад
Thank You for reasonably balanced and unprejudiced summary of this conflict, most often even professional historians treated it with handy set of misinformation, ignoration, bias and propaganda templates mixed with ignorance about complexity of relation in intermarium region. Nevertheless I wonder what is the source to claims of Pilsudski antisemitic opinions. One important characteristic of First Marshall was his notoriously harsh and obscenic language often insulting whomever he was presently angry at with worst language. But this opinions was most often directed to Polish Elites, Poles and close circle of his. On the other hand in most of his books, speaches You find really flattering opinions on Jews and Jewish nation. You may also find numerous relation of Jewish authors regarding his warm opinion and deeds to Isrealites. I studied this period quite intensively and regard him as an ancestor to best traditions of Polish Commonwealth tollerance and self government. So would You kindly reveal sources of those antisemitic aspects of his biography Jessie? Another remark is that however I understand the need for simplification, it seems from your relation as if it was kind of borderland with mixed population but otherwise uniform lands. On the contrary it consisted of greatest in europe marches and ancient woods aside most developed and fertile lands, industrial and cultural centers of Vilnius Kiev Lvov neighbouring most unattended pathless regions inhabited by some awkward sectarians and nearly medieval style populations. complete patchwork of nations, believs, social and cultural conditions...
@alexanderter-gabrielyan3183
@alexanderter-gabrielyan3183 4 года назад
Hello Jacek, I agree in general with your request for stressing issues of culture, nation and belief. But could you let us know more about Polish traditions of self-government? Thank you in advance.
@BeingFireRetardant
@BeingFireRetardant 4 года назад
Great comment/query.
@MahsaKaerra
@MahsaKaerra 4 года назад
"I wonder what is the source to claims of Pilsudski antisemitic opinions." Probably didn't hold any himself, but didn't care enough to oppose the antisemitic opinions of people around him. Is being "neutral" in the face of another's bigotry itself also a form of bigotry?
@Angmir
@Angmir 4 года назад
Part of the problem is aplying modern day standards to what was happening over 100 years ago. By modern day letist standards all men back then were sexist, rasists and rapers. Pilsudski back in those days definetly represented more progressive Western outlook, although he gotten more traditionalist with age obviously - as everyone does.
@BeingFireRetardant
@BeingFireRetardant 4 года назад
@@Angmir Agreed. It's hard to fathom what view people a century from now might hold of us, people who neither know us, lived in our culture, or have more than tangential information regarding our way of life... Consider how very little we know of the ancient world. Sure, we can glean much from the writings of Homer, Josephus, and Bacon, but how precisely folks lived, (and more to the point) how they felt and thought is extremely hard to extrapolate. Correlation is not causation. To claim someone felt a certain way about a certain social group, writing fragments notwithstanding, seems dubious at best. Have you ever changed your mind on an issue? How often have you ever bothered to record that change for posterity? It seems we infer too much from scant evidence. And to what end? To say someone did or did not have anti-Semitic views is to apply a precariously founded judgement on social norms we neither lived through nor fully comprehend. And ultimately, what difference does it make? Many historical figures in leadership roles had flaws which modern historians completely overlook, gloss over, or minimize. Are they still noteworthy and influential? Yes. But never forget the human element. The extremes of hero worship, and demonization, are both equally inaccurate.
@JapanatWar
@JapanatWar 4 года назад
Very happy to see you guys cover this subject!
@rodwoodsman2828
@rodwoodsman2828 4 года назад
Isaac Babel reminds me of George Costanza From Seinfeld.
@salvino6699
@salvino6699 4 года назад
great video ,the final quotes even better!
@juliusbarzdziukas7777
@juliusbarzdziukas7777 4 года назад
There are several historical mistakes in this documentary that have a history of many hundreds of years and did have tragic outcome: 1. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was something between federation and confederation where Lithuania had it's own separate parliament, budget, army, Statute Law. Polish couldn't even have real-estate within old Lithuanian borders (includes modern Belarus). A big portion of lands Poland was going into weren't historical Polish lands when looking from modern perspective. 2. Poland started a war against Lithuania in 1919 which undermined mutual defense initiative (treaty) against Bolsheviks between Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia (and possibly other countries). This new war made a weak point from where came the need to relocate forces from south. 3. Poland was disarming local population which could have formed a resistance against Bolsheviks. It happened in Vilnius region few days before Bolsheviks were allowed a free pass into the city. Similar things had big influence across the region. 4. Nobility and identity. It's a more complicated topic even starting with J.Pilsudski himself (he was also Lithuanian). Hundreds of years of power and influence struggle between families with "strategic marriages" (also overcoming nationality-based real-estate barrier at the time) made significant part of nobility with several national identities and their emphasis on national identity (according to modern understanding) weaker. At the time understanding of national identity was completely different from modern times. Lithuania had both Lithuanian and Ruthenian parts of country, so this process was hundreds of years older. Union with Poland and at some point in history weakened Lithuanian nobility made Polish language as dominant official language among nobility. After WWI there was still an influential group which wanted to make one country, recreate an empire in a new age where independent nationality-based countries were rising.
@RickJohnyALL-PROProcue
@RickJohnyALL-PROProcue 2 года назад
Lithuanian cope LOL
@happy-go-commie
@happy-go-commie 4 года назад
The only RU-vid history channel that would consult notes on camera rather than edit it in post-production. (Not really a bad thing, has a video chat feel to it.)
@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt
@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt 3 года назад
Norman Davies is a legendary historian. His books are so great!
@mp1335
@mp1335 3 года назад
He's a meme historian that punches out books en-masse for selling bait. Some of the stuff he writes about is really poorly researched. Even concrete dates are off by years when he's writing about the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth for example.
@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt
@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt 3 года назад
@@mp1335 Have you read any of his books?
@PolishSoldier1939
@PolishSoldier1939 4 года назад
As for the federal idea, it was not at all Piłsudski's idea. The main author of the federational idea was Leon Wasilewski, and the idea itself was presented at the Paris Congress of Polish Socialists in 1892. Piłsudski slightly modified that idea, and the geopolitical situation was not favourable to its realisation.
@yanbesidski7765
@yanbesidski7765 10 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@kgbfiles5713
@kgbfiles5713 4 года назад
Unfortunately, my native Kyiv 100 years ago could not stay free from the Bolsheviks for a long time.
@jakubcesarzdakos5442
@jakubcesarzdakos5442 4 года назад
Fortunately at least you can see it without Soviet/Russian influence
@JohnDoe-tr4ov
@JohnDoe-tr4ov 4 года назад
Jakub Cesarz Dakos I live in Russia and my country unfortunately still under soviet influence)
@juodaskatinas1
@juodaskatinas1 3 года назад
Very educational. Thank you.
@vonrogovski
@vonrogovski 4 года назад
Loved the clip, though one correction: Pilsudski was not antisemitic - even if some of his aides were after 1920.
@americanexcursions3542
@americanexcursions3542 3 года назад
The guy with the top hat @6:40 is Ignacy Paderewski
@demenok1313
@demenok1313 4 года назад
Hey guys! I have an odd question! The song that plays in the beginning of the episodes of 1920 when the title screen appears, is really good ! Is this just a small part of a bigger song? And who is the composer/who made it? I think it’s a nice bit of music and would like to find the rest of it, if it exists. Also great vids :) ! Thanks to everyone involved for making this awesome series!
@brianoneil9662
@brianoneil9662 4 года назад
It's still odd to see Jessie without braces...
@marcinde1757
@marcinde1757 2 года назад
Był traktat wersalski 1818 i już w 1919 problemy. W 1920 Piłsudski na szczęście problem rozwiązał. Dalej obcy nie rozumieją że Polska Królowa Jadwiga Piast i i Polski Król Władysław Jagiełło władają terytorium 1 RP od 1386 ślub, 1569 unia realna lubelska.
@Paris-xv9sj
@Paris-xv9sj 4 года назад
Can we just look at this Mark V Lego tank? This is very realistic and well realised! intresting video! Thanks 👍🏻
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
Thanks for noticing. :)
@kornelflorez5709
@kornelflorez5709 4 года назад
What do you mean by saying "Pilsudski held antisemitic views"?
@stanandollie7041
@stanandollie7041 4 года назад
Kornel Florez Pilsudski was married to a Jewess
@kornelflorez5709
@kornelflorez5709 4 года назад
@@stanandollie7041what do you mean. He had 2 wives and both of them sound like members of Polish szlachta. Besides it doesnt change the question - why the creators of the video say Pilsudski "held antisemitic views"?
@Adam-rj9wz
@Adam-rj9wz 4 года назад
Kornel Florez - it was Dmowski who had anti Semitic views. They were rivals.
@kornelflorez5709
@kornelflorez5709 4 года назад
@@Adam-rj9wzi know they were rivals. Anyway, Dmowskis 'antisemitism' is actually also debatable, mostly depending on the definition of what antisemitism is. Besides, I read that Dmowski also did point out in his writings to the poor living condtions of small town jewry, then he would help finance some Jewish kids education. But this is side question. What I asked is why Pilsudski was described in the vid as having "held antisemitic views". What does it mean exactly, dear authors?
@anderstopansson
@anderstopansson 4 года назад
You still have one of the nicest intros on ytb
@gregj4564
@gregj4564 4 года назад
Old Polish saying: Fighting with Germans is duty, fighting with Soviets is pure pleasure!
@bringbackmy90s
@bringbackmy90s 4 года назад
Yes that's true, only the soviet bolsheviks are not even a real nation, just a group of world revolutionary fools and utopists
@bringbackmy90s
@bringbackmy90s 4 года назад
@Red Baron yes but only after 70 years of communist rule of mismanagement, slavery and red terrorism
@vuko1234
@vuko1234 4 года назад
@Klaidi Rubiku" capitalism as nail to the coffin" that's funny
@vuko1234
@vuko1234 4 года назад
@Red Baron You said that mass starvation in Ukraine in 1930's, murdering thousands of your own people by government, extreme poverty lack of freadom and gulags were heaven? If you think so I wish you to live in this heaven from bottom of my heart.
@biohyde6039
@biohyde6039 4 года назад
@@vuko1234 Would you like to elaborate what was the cause of that famine? Also, maybe explain why other countries in the region were starving at the same time and how the "democratic" world restricted trade of food stuff with USSR? I guess is all Stalin's fault, you naive fool.
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 4 года назад
Glad we’re still getting The Great War content while quarantined. Also, I’m sure the Soviets will never invade Poland again (cough 1939 cough) or ever become a satellite state (cough post definitely not a Second World War cough)
@ГригорийГ-ч4н
@ГригорийГ-ч4н 4 года назад
Man, even this video quite literally tells that Poles invaded Soviet Russia. That poles were trying to recreate PLC by any means. And they advanced up to, say, Kiev and eastern Belarus. And [after] that Soviets pushed them back up to Warsaw.
@jakubcesarzdakos5442
@jakubcesarzdakos5442 4 года назад
@Fabian Kirchgessner Poles attacked Soviets when they were still busy with Whites. It wasn't something unexpected that Soviets would sooner or later strike Poland, especially as they did not have any set borders (and their potential proposals were unacceptable for the opposing sides). And Poland no u-ed Soviets later too
@Arbiter099
@Arbiter099 4 года назад
I know someone you might be able to telephone about these possibilities
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 4 года назад
Well, the Soviets definitely didn't become a satellite state of Poland ^^
@gregski4130
@gregski4130 4 года назад
@Fabian Kirchgessner Please explain me what Russian city or land has been invaded by Poles?
@wladjarosz345
@wladjarosz345 4 года назад
polish-soviet war without Ukraine and after that german-soviet friendship without Poland
@OrkosUA
@OrkosUA 4 года назад
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@wladjarosz345
@wladjarosz345 4 года назад
@@OrkosUA отож!
@EnigmaEnginseer
@EnigmaEnginseer 3 года назад
@@OrkosUA hehe panzer go vroom
@narvikcollector4973
@narvikcollector4973 4 года назад
Great vid.
@hannahskipper2764
@hannahskipper2764 4 года назад
AND THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!!
@BASSOSOVIETICO1987
@BASSOSOVIETICO1987 4 года назад
This episode was sooo much better and accurate from all sides than the one from Between Two Wars...
@veritasEtjusticia
@veritasEtjusticia 4 года назад
Wow! This is a great series. I wish I had discovered it in 2014. Oh well, I have a lot of binging to do...
@67nairb
@67nairb 2 года назад
Wasn't Kalinin prime minister of the Soviet Union under Stalin?
@marcinterlecki6021
@marcinterlecki6021 4 года назад
I think this video is crucially missing some background on UPR history. Starting from the fact that it had been formed in 1917 and in March 1918 recognized by Bolsheviks as independent country in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, In the same Treaty Bolsheviks renounced any claims for the lands of Ukraine (as well as Baltics and Finland). Thus, their attack on UPR on November 1918 was an act of war. TL:DR - de facto and de iure Poland was not fighting Soviet Russia in 1920, but Red Army scorching Ukraine.
@jessealexander2695
@jessealexander2695 4 года назад
Re: background: we could not squeeze so much into one episode - we talk more about the UPR and WUPR in the episode we did on the Polish-Ukrainian War last summer.
@marcinterlecki6021
@marcinterlecki6021 4 года назад
@@jessealexander2695 I do understand time constraints. Seen you're video on Lemberg (and left some comments there as well ;) ) but still, w/o any context, perceived tag line of this one is "Poland attacked Bolsheviks' Russia". Well, UPR area occupied by Bolsheviks (despite Brest-Litovsk agreements) was not Russia in any sense and neither Polish nor Ukrainian troops crossed the western border of RFSFR.
@GarrettFruge
@GarrettFruge 4 года назад
Fascinating video!
@FortuneZer0
@FortuneZer0 4 года назад
Bij Bolszewika.
@yourlocalcr0w319
@yourlocalcr0w319 4 года назад
I watch this youtube channel to keep me distracted from terrible events in 2020 I hope you are all doing well and stay strong and stay inside to help fight against covid-19!
@zbigniewp1810
@zbigniewp1810 4 года назад
Wonder if part 2 will mention Zaolzie situation - id anything, just to underline how little hope did anyone had for Poland at the turning point. Also - Budionny Konarmy is horribly underrepresented in popular awareness - it would be REALLY nice if you could expand this topic.
@JohnnyAloha69
@JohnnyAloha69 4 года назад
Negotiations with the soviets must have been a surreal process. What value could you assign to soviet border commitments when their prime directive was world conquest?
@32gigs96
@32gigs96 4 года назад
It wasn’t world conquest. It was to establish buffer states to safeguard the homeland. Stalin was very paranoid and liked to hole up and hide as much as he could.
@diarradunlap9337
@diarradunlap9337 4 года назад
@@32gigs96 THAT was post-1924. The video even states that at this time (1920), the Bolsheviks' goal was to push worldwide revolution. It was only after Ulyanov's (Lenin's) death and Brostein's (Trotsky's) eventual ouster in the late 1920s that the Soviet policy became "Socialism in one country" under Djugashvili (Stalin).
@sahteekrem
@sahteekrem 4 года назад
@@diarradunlap9337 Exactly. And Stalin wasn't nearly that influential among Bolsheviks back in 1920. I daresay, Trotsky was much, much more popular, but also he would have been much more aggressive internationally, and definitely more bloodthursty internally than even Uncle Joe turned out to be.
@jangrosek4334
@jangrosek4334 4 года назад
@@diarradunlap9337 I do not believe in the concept of "socialism in one country." Dzhugashvili was the same adherent of the world revolution as Lenin and Trotsky. Socialism in one country began after his death.
@diarradunlap9337
@diarradunlap9337 4 года назад
@@jangrosek4334 Wrong. The video even says that Stalin took up the idea of "Socialism in one country." He did so after he gained power after Lenin's death. He also keet to if until he got together with Hitler to invade Poland in 1939.
@richardsorge2001
@richardsorge2001 Год назад
what I don't get is where is the condemnation of Poland for their invasion? When USSR took back it's territories in 1939 everyone lost their minds.
@KacperRybicki-v7t
@KacperRybicki-v7t Год назад
It was poland that took its lands back those land were taken by russians in 1793
@richardsorge2001
@richardsorge2001 Год назад
@@KacperRybicki-v7t that's what I'm saying. Poles are taking territory they had more than a century ago and it's fine yet when ruskies does the same for the same territory it's the worst thing in the history of mankind.
@DytoxPrime
@DytoxPrime Год назад
​@@richardsorge2001Because Russia took those territories by conquest, they are not rightfully theirs.
@aAverageFan
@aAverageFan 4 месяца назад
​@@DytoxPrime Do you think Ukraine and Belarus should return those lands back to Poland which the USSR had annexed in 1939?
@DytoxPrime
@DytoxPrime 4 месяца назад
​@@aAverageFan No, the lands should remain as they are. Changing lands beetwen hands now would make more trouble than they're worth, not to mention the beurocratic nightmare and instability it would cause. There's plenty to go around, I don't see why anybody is dissatisfied with what they have.
@latebreakfast8911
@latebreakfast8911 2 года назад
Man, I wish there was a separate video about Belarus during this time. After all, this is the time Belarus fought for independence just as much as Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics. I love these videos on the civil war, but it's sad, that I get to learn about everyone in the region except for Belarus.
@michalstolarczykKRK
@michalstolarczykKRK 3 года назад
14:30 to 14:55 Outstanding pronunciation :)
@TheGanimex12
@TheGanimex12 4 года назад
20:55 🤔🤔🤔 “...Gain another Soviet Government in Europe”. That man saw the future.
@biohyde6039
@biohyde6039 4 года назад
Soviet means Council, ruled by a Soviet meant being ruled by a local council, where you can withdraw mandates as soon as the elected candidate goes back on his promises. How does your bourgeoisie democratically elected president work for your interests these days?
@kstreet7438
@kstreet7438 4 года назад
Hi TGW team!
@TheGreatWar
@TheGreatWar 4 года назад
Hallo Ulrich
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