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I changed the method used to manage the Polyculture Garden, and so far it has been much more successful, in this context at least, and it has a lot in common with a method I rejected a few years ago.
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@PaleGhost69
@PaleGhost69 2 года назад
I've been waiting for this year's polyculture review! It's been looking so good!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thanks! Feels good to have some decent success with it.
@Pixieworksstudio
@Pixieworksstudio 2 года назад
Mixed growing is absolutely fascinating. It happened in my small garden by accident as some things failed, and gaps opened up from harvesting. However, I found that much more satisfying, and a far better use of space. I just need constant spares to pop in... something to happily get used to. Your garden looks fabulous, thank you for the video, and especially the comparisons.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thanks! It is fascinating, and it does really benefit from having 'constant spares' to plant in. That is something that I have not been good at doing, and have plans to regularise that for next season.
@Pixieworksstudio
@Pixieworksstudio 2 года назад
@@REDGardens Yes, me too. I have 3 new indoor growing spaces going up this winter which will help with that a great deal. However, I have to remember to plant the spares. It will be a learning curve for sure.
@etiennelouw9244
@etiennelouw9244 2 года назад
I started a veggie garden this year (2021) in Cape Town, South Africa. The veggie part of my garden is tiny, first I dug out the grass as this grass is tough. Then I enclosed the edges with some slabs and bricks I had on hand, then I covered the soil with cardboard. I cut holes in the cardboard and inserted "grow tubes" (cut from soda bottles) and planted my seeds or sprouts inside the grow tubes in a rather mixed up haphazard way. Cape Town almost ran out of water 2 years ago so I only water inside the grow tubes using a large soda bottle with holes drilled in the top. I planted 6 trees taken from cuttings except for the Avo tree that comes from a pip, all in grow tubes, 1 tree died and all are small at the moment. I also intend to dig 2 swales for water catchment.
@petevance422
@petevance422 2 года назад
Thanks for putting such quality content out so often!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Glad you enjoy it!
@garden_geek
@garden_geek 2 года назад
I started out with square foot gardening. It helped me to get a handle on how to space out my plants. Like you my brain prefers things organized together by type. But I’ve learned that my garden does much better if I plant things polyculture style and I’ve even come to find it more beautiful once it’s all grown in when everything is all mixed together. I’m also learning how to time certain plantings so I get more food out of the given space. For example I’m planting radishes and loose leaf lettuce right next to my cauliflowers and cabbage because I will be harvesting them long before they’re shaded out. Another excellent video. You’re a great teacher.
@alexanderpaines1754
@alexanderpaines1754 2 года назад
I have tried something similar before to a certain degree of success. However i find whilst this method can produce a good quantity of veg, the human aspect of it is often overlooked. A well organised garden is at some times more of a benefit for the grower than the plants. Being able to asses your plants at a glance is a major bonus for growing in organised rows. I have found that when i have excessively mixed crops, i often can suffer from blindspots within the bed, and plants go too long unharvested, or pests and diseases creep in more easily. Having to thoroughly search through your plants in order to find each harvestable crops is a big increase in both physical and mental demand. Ive instead gone for the middle ground of sectioning off my rows at a standard interval of 3m, with each section having one main crop, with sometimes a crossover catch crop. This maintains a polyculture and its benefits whilst also giving me ease of mind when doing the regular check-over Whilst you might fit more in a toolshed by playing tetris with your spades, its going to make quickly grabbing the right one that much more difficult.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Those are very good points, and your comparison with the tool shed is spot on! The ability to quickly glance at a row of plants is a definite benefit of some of the other gardens, as I can spot issues and things that need to be harvested very quickly in comparison. A definite downside to the polyculture planting, though with a certain amount of segregation into different beds it does reduce the amount of searching, and possibility of overlooking. My hope is that the increased yields and diversity of cropping that is easier with this cluster method will outweigh the extra effort. And some people prefer the aesthetics of a mixed or polyculture, they feel better about the garden, and will potentially want to spend more time in it. Others find greater satisfaction and comfort in the orderly rows. I think I am somewhere in between.
@heyphilphil
@heyphilphil 2 года назад
I knew a woman who spent 2-3 hours total on her irrigated half acre garden a month. And she had the best gardens....full of all the major varieties. They weren't all tighty in rows. But she was definitely growing 10xs more food I was breaking my back for interning on a row crop farm in Northern California. She did alot of permiculture rules. She was a genius. I'm so glad I don't have to farm the row crop way or square-foot way.
@Go-zi1py
@Go-zi1py 2 года назад
I plant my large plants like broccoli, squash or running plants on the outside edge of the outside rows of my square foot garden starting at the very corner. I then plant the next plant at the farthest border corner of grid 2 once again right next to the border and so on down the line of squares. This allows me to take advantage of the walkway space. Basically I plant in the corner of the bed and then along the edge skipping every other square. I also plant beets, spinach or lettuce around them to be harvested as young leaves until the broccoli crowds them out.
@Galluchh
@Galluchh 2 года назад
awesome! this garden has always interested me the most, cant wait to see how far you can push this one!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thank you! I'm looking forward to seeing where it can go as well. So much to explore and learn!!
@acanocois
@acanocois 2 года назад
Excellent video , as always !
@NinjaNJH
@NinjaNJH 2 года назад
I'd be interested to see a type of planting map for what you chose to put next to each other!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
I am hoping to do a video highlighting a few of the planting plans I tried.
@woutmoerman711
@woutmoerman711 2 года назад
@@REDGardens please do! I will subscribe now so I won't miss it.
@gromlynne3550
@gromlynne3550 2 года назад
@@woutmoerman711 me too!
@jukeseyable
@jukeseyable 2 года назад
You may want to look at Edens poly culture growing. Its much more simple regular and organized than what you are doing. For example in a 2 meter bed you would plant 6 or 7 rows of plants with 3 or 4 different plants, say row of carrots, row of kale, row of cabbage, row of beans, row of leeks, etc but I'm sure you get the point
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
I had seen images of those gardens before, but wasn't sure where they were from, thanks for the pointer. That is an interesting technique, especially beautiful how it curves with the landscape. I can see definite benefits to using that kind of system
@stuartbenzie6115
@stuartbenzie6115 2 года назад
Super interesting. I’ve a large available area so had discounted the square foot method. Your upscaling of the squares s a great idea. The comment about including plant to encourage pollinators is a great inclusion. Good luck and thanks for yet another interesting video. As a patron I’m always please with your work. Thanks.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thank you (for the encouraging comment, and watching, and for continuing to be a Patron!!!) I am quite excited about the possibilities of this quite simple but radically different way or organising the planting of a garden, especially as it opens up so much 'space' to include other things, which still offering a degree of planning and repeatability.
@gledegaardred2194
@gledegaardred2194 2 года назад
I have autism, so I find the entire premise of a polyculture garden very unsettling, chaotic (anarchy), and impossible to monitor empirically. It was difficult to watch, but your alterations were comforting.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
That is interesting! I had not considered it from that perspective, but it makes sense!
@eigleenalegri2664
@eigleenalegri2664 2 месяца назад
Thank you for your video, you explained it very well.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 месяца назад
🙂
@CheeerriOH
@CheeerriOH 2 года назад
I really admire your perseverance. I know that this garden hasn't been your favourite but you're still trying new things to make it work.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thank you!
@TheEmbrio
@TheEmbrio 2 года назад
This is going to be soooo interesting !
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
I think so too!
@TheCountryHomestead
@TheCountryHomestead 2 года назад
Thanks for all your very edcuational videos. In the learning process orcess here before we finally move at a 26acre farm.
@normancoutts
@normancoutts 2 года назад
lots to think about - thanks.
@8Jory
@8Jory 2 года назад
I remember somewhere in the square foot gardening book talking about adapting the method to square metre instead. Probably to smallest size grids I could handle, i get a bit overwhelmed with to many grids to keep track of. I'm really interested in your adapted approach and look forward to your results. Thank you so much
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
I think the general idea for the square foot gardening method is an interesting and appropriate one, a different way of organising the garden. And I think you are right about the getting overwhelmed with too many grids or sections. I quite like the possibilities of a lot of sections, in my case 360 clusters in the garden, as I can fit in a lot of other things. In my other gardens based on rows or beds, this isn't so intuitive or simple - it is easier to plant a full row or bed at a time with a single vegetable.
@8Jory
@8Jory 2 года назад
@@REDGardens Very true. I've just moved and am going to be setting up a new garden. I'm thinking of making row beds one metre wide and ten metres long that can be further subdivided into one metre blocks as needed. I really like your idea of reserving blocks for pollinator plants. Adding in some native flora would likely be a great boon as well as doubling as green manure the following season. I really appreciate your experimental approach to gardening as it gives me new ideas and helps guide my train of thought down paths I may not have taken myself otherwise. Thank you
@sharonmcqueentorres2459
@sharonmcqueentorres2459 2 года назад
Wow! Your land n knowledge had really grown. Ha pun. Thank you for sharing yr wisdom. 🌈🙏👍👍👍☮️
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Haha, thanks!
@Melanieallen968
@Melanieallen968 2 года назад
I always cluster plant..it works for me.🙂
@alisonburgess345
@alisonburgess345 2 года назад
This garden would drive me nuts I think! It seems like such a lot of work... I get the theory of it but, wow, it's tricky! Very interesting video..
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thanks, yeah it is tricky, and I have really struggled with different versions of it, but my interest in the way this current method can all fit together will keep me busy exploring, to see how much of a benefit there actually is.
@paolomaggi8188
@paolomaggi8188 2 года назад
In my opinioni one of most interesting videos! Thank you
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Wow, thanks!
@rufia75
@rufia75 2 года назад
How we can know that plants actually want to grow in a varied ecosystem with different types of plants around it is by comparing how monoculture cover crops do vs a cover crop mix. Compare the monoculture to a mix of 5 crops, 7 crops, 11 crops, 15 crops. Compare the biomass, pest problems, disease problems, overall size of plants, growth rate, resistance to climate events (flooding, extreme temperatures, strong winds, drought, etc) and you will be convinced. However, it can take more or perhaps DIFFERENT knowledge, skill, care, and intention to grow, care for, and harvest vegetables grown in a polyculture vs monocultures.
@p0ln
@p0ln 2 года назад
thanks, always insightful, greetings from Cill Dara
@aenorist2431
@aenorist2431 2 года назад
I think for a market garden context, you could simplify it even further and still get some of the same benefits (closer spacing, companion planting). Essentially make rows in a bed, similar to what you did but combining the lengthwise segments. That way you don't really increase the plants of the same variety close to each other (on average), but you get a lot simpler planting plans, which is necessary for production scale. You'd still have (up to) 3 different plants growing next to each other in any section of the bed (looking at the short side). Think that's a good geometric compromise of "count of sections" (simplicity, efficiency) and "species borders" (where polyculture benefits happen). Obviously you have more of the latter, but at a disproportionally greater increase in the former. Tradeoffs, contexts, interesting stuff.
@ardenthebibliophile
@ardenthebibliophile 2 года назад
If you compiled your companion list I would absolutely pay for that
@pinballwizard6906
@pinballwizard6906 2 года назад
Red have you considered growing carrots with radish for example in spirals instead of lines, I find I double the crop in less area
@dickwouters4219
@dickwouters4219 2 года назад
super interesting, I would love to see resent results of your no dig garden. thanks
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thanks. I plan to do a video on that garden soon.
@izabelgoncalves5729
@izabelgoncalves5729 2 года назад
Gosto muito dos seus vídeos. Sou do Brasil , coloque legenda em espanhol ou se puder português
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thanks for watching. I would love to be able to have subtitles in other languages but I only speak English well enough. It is something I will look into.
@anhduong7650
@anhduong7650 2 года назад
Would you consider Ruth Stout method for the empty plot? It is a really laid back method of growing and will provide extra yield of potato or sweet potato.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
I have tried variations of the "Ruth Stout" method (or at least what I am aware of the method attributed to her) and ended up with what seemed to be an ideal breeding ground for slugs, which caused a lot fo damage to the crops. It seems that covering the soil with undecomposed organic material doesn't work well in this climate and context.
@bobwilliams4528
@bobwilliams4528 2 года назад
I admire your enthusiasm to experiment, but I'd rather get kicked in the nuts than deal with a polyculture garden 😉
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Haha, fair enough!
@stubbi
@stubbi 2 года назад
Another great video and approach, Bruce. It's why I love this channel - its the hollistic approach to gardening. I do have a question: Are you still running into the issue of hydrophobe soil? Currently, I have this issue in a couple of spots and I do not know where they came from or how to deal with it.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
Thank you! I still have the issue with the surface of the soil in the one polytunnel being quite hydrophobic, but it is less of an issue with the larger summer plants. I have tried wetting it a bit but given up, accepting that it is a 'dust mulch' that prevents evaporation from the drip line watering that I have been doing. My plan is to use the sprinklers to soak it over time, once the larger plants are out of the tunnel.
@dimitarzlatanski
@dimitarzlatanski 2 года назад
Hey, I am enjoying your videos. Here is a question: is it possible to grow something that gives a decent yield when starting out with no amendments for the soil? Perhaps only a few wheelbarrow loads of half-rotted homemade compost, and that's all. What do you think?
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
I think potatoes might be an option if you are using the half-rotted compost. Or herbs can do quite well in unamended soil. Some of the root vegetables, such as carrots, can do reasonably well with lower fertility, depending on what the subsoil is like, but they usually need soil that is fairly well tilled/clean.
@dimitarzlatanski
@dimitarzlatanski 2 года назад
@@REDGardens Thank you, that will be of help when I am choosing what to plant. I am not quite sure what the subsoil is like in our polytunnel, but as far as I can remember it is quite stony. Besides, what kind of ammendments for fertility do you use, other than compost, for soil that has just been a pasture? I mean basic additives without having to do a soil test, or is compost enough to start with?
@tnason04
@tnason04 Год назад
How do you keep track of your grid? Even with beds and paths I struggle with a tendency for the growing spaces to drift. (But if I don't provide some definition, everything gets trampled on, especially when it is small, and doubly with kids involved.)
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I have been using sticks to mark out the corners of all the clusters. I find old raspberry canes are useful for this. It is a lot of work, but helps in the long run, and when some get trampled or go missing, it is fairly easy to position the replacements based on any that remain in the grid.
@Abbe1234
@Abbe1234 2 года назад
I’m confused looking at the companion species chart. I heard that strawberries and garlic go well together?
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 2 года назад
I think the companion planting issue is a real mix of sometimes conflicting recommendations, and I feel that very little of it has actually been tested in any kind of scientific or holistic way.
@grahamarnold4823
@grahamarnold4823 2 года назад
I seem to always get problems with aphid in autumn, what do you use to deter them ?
@gwenscoble6229
@gwenscoble6229 2 года назад
I thought square foot gardening was designed for people with small spaces, eg a flat with a balcony. A 3ft square divided into 9 square feet sections, is supposed to give a good amount of food for 1 or 2 people. The crops are quick maturing and potentially cut and come again. So, different lettuce at different stages of growth, spinach, radish, baby carrots, turnip, celery etc. Aiming for 1 or 2 portions of salad per day. I don't think it was ever intended for cabbage, climbing beans or sweetcorn, if you don't like salad, think again! I think it is totally impractical for a market garden. It is hard to get crop protection in wider than 2.4ms, ideal for rows but beds containing carrots and tall brassicas, you would need to get the sowing machine out. I have 4 raised beds 6ftx3ft. I use scaffold netting or enviromesh on 2 and leave the other 2 open for pollinators. Crops from flowers, go in those, brassicas in the others with carrots, chard, beets, leeks etc. Then overwinter, start planting spring cabbage where flowering plants have been, and broad beans etc between the brussel sprouts etc. Theoretically a 2 year rotation but my block of sweetcorn are not in the same place every 2 years. Practical for a market garden, probably not, but it suits me and my local weather. The Red Gardens are on a much larger scale and managed by only 1 or 2 people. Efficiency must be a priority. Harvesting for a single portion for each meal is a different aim, to harvesting, what is ready and distributing it between many households. Yes not very cold, not very hot, not very dry, west Wales. I can harvest something all year round, so long as I can protect it from pests. Midnight mollusc hunts are possible, only taking 15 minutes, no chance in the Red Gardens! Ah you have provoked my thoughts again! Thanks
@sharonmcqueentorres2459
@sharonmcqueentorres2459 2 года назад
What do you do to repel rodents??
@oscarherrera9049
@oscarherrera9049 2 года назад
Density: A full row of...
@PaleGhost69
@PaleGhost69 2 года назад
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