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The Polyculture Garden has not been the easiest to figure out how to manage. And it is only since we have started using a clustered planting approach, that the garden has been more successful. But figuring out appropriate plant densities has not been so straight forward.
0:00 Figuring Out Plant Densities
1:00 Between Random And Order
2:25 One Plant Per Cluster
2:23 Several Clusters Per Plant
6:26 Three Or More Per Cluster
8:35 Broadcast and Thin
10:24 Broadcast And Cut
11:50 Density vs Resources
13:32 More Intuition Than Data
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@timprice1742
@timprice1742 Год назад
I truly appreciate your logical approach to try to maximize the results from this garden in an environmentally friendly way, especially since, as you've indicated many times, gardening is as much an art as it is a science. Your videos are always interesting and thoughtful.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Thank you. Glad you appreciate my videos!
@thedude7319
@thedude7319 Год назад
Love the continueing project but especially that calm voice
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@StSdijle
@StSdijle Год назад
Great flick again. In particular, I really appreciate how you try to cut to the factual core of your topics, avoiding to repeat unsupported beliefs.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@justpyrite591
@justpyrite591 Год назад
This is my favorite gardening video! I need to plant a polyculture garden, because I have so little space and sun issues. This was very inspirational and I will watch it many times.
@dennistaylor3796
@dennistaylor3796 Год назад
I ended up with a poly culture garden but it wasn't planned. We had leftover plant starts that would have been thrown away, so we planted next to a crop about ready to come out. They didn't grow much above ground until we cut the other veggies out , but usually we did well. The soil was clay originally but we added a semi load of composted leaves to 1/4 acre. The soil turned black and dried out easily. We also foliar fed the crowded plants and when the old plants were cut out
@tobruz
@tobruz Год назад
Another good one!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@jeffmartin693
@jeffmartin693 Год назад
Thanks always leave me thinking.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@raphaelvulfs5467
@raphaelvulfs5467 Год назад
Hello, I rarely take the time to like or comment but I wanted to say that I really like all of your video. Your honesty and cartesian approach are great. Thank you for your work!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Thanks for the comment! Good to hear feedback like that.
@bobaloo2012
@bobaloo2012 Год назад
This seems line an interesting system for a small garden, but I can't imagine the management headaches for any size. The most I do is interplant to take advantage of space and/or time. One example that works well for me is a row of artichoke plants down the middle of a bed, about 1.5m apart, then squash or melon plants down the middle of the bed, with a row of head lettuce along each side of the bed. A 15m bed gives me about 100 heads of lettuce in about 6 weeks, about the time squash or melon plants are starting to impinge on them, and the tall artichoke plants never notice the squash plants crawling around under them, or vice versa. I also plant a lot of quick growing or small crops along the edges of beds of other crops, such as a row of onions, lettuce or other greens that get in and out quickly.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Yeah, it starts to get tough as the size increases. Sounds like a good strategy you have developed, starting with key crops and infilling with intercropping. Do you have any sense on the possible increase in yield, or issues with fertility competition?
@anniegaddis5240
@anniegaddis5240 Год назад
Double cover everything tonight! Going to be ccccold!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
It was quite warm here last night, but the night before was cold!
@anniegaddis5240
@anniegaddis5240 Год назад
@@REDGardens all my primroses are laying on the ground. I hope they "wake up" again!
@MATFarm22
@MATFarm22 Год назад
I must thank you once again for explaining everything to the ground! Polyculture gardening is indeed fascinating and definitely most suitable for people, whose gardens are small or not well-run yet. I personally prefer the simple garden method, but the polyculture garden is the one I'll definitely give a go this season!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
The comparison between the Simple and Polyculture Gardens is so interesting, both offer interesting but very different opportunities to learn.
@writethisthat3613
@writethisthat3613 Год назад
Great video/channel. I like the "let's see what happens" approach.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 8 месяцев назад
🙂
@scottbaruth9041
@scottbaruth9041 Год назад
I have to admit I'm hooked on the looks of a monoculture vs. polyculture. Even to the point of finishing out a row to look "good." Even if I'm positive, I can't sell that much. My compost pile is my friend.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I Also really like the order of a monocrop! But the polycrop beds, when they are growing well are really beautiful as well.
@enigma1487
@enigma1487 Год назад
Excellent video, very informative ❤
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Thanks!
@mysticmoontree
@mysticmoontree Год назад
I applaud you for trying new things, even if they are less organized & different than what you are used to.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Thanks!
@sheliadean9548
@sheliadean9548 Год назад
Thank you for sharing this information with us
@sharonknorr1106
@sharonknorr1106 Год назад
Stumbled across your vlog and this was so perfect for me! Have always grown polyculture gardens (vegies, herbs,flowers) even before it became "cool", but have struggled with some of the same problems and it is so great to see that articulated - so often, in books and even videos it is made to seem so easy. Have been doing this for many years and have learned some stuff, for sure, but still experimenting especially now that we moved and are gardening mostly in stock tanks rather than in the ground. I am a scientist and it is maddening sometimes that there are so many variables in gardening that make it difficult to evaluate data. Dont' know if you will see this post, but have you seen a decrease in insect pressure with polyculture? I do think that I do, but still my kale will be overrun with aphids to a disgusting degree even with spraying them off daily. It is discouraging sometimes.
@karlbe8414
@karlbe8414 Год назад
Strongly suggest you find the perfect hat and wear it all the time. Nice friable looking soil!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I have a good hat, but usually take it off while filming.
@josephsaid6922
@josephsaid6922 Год назад
I enjoy your gardening style
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@kegelcompare
@kegelcompare Год назад
getting the right plant density without having to spend a lot of energy on thinning is something I am always trying to figure out. Integrating perennials is my favorite way to polyculture. This seems to work the best for me with clusters of perennials like thyme, rosemary, sage, tarragon, garlic chives, walking onions, lovage, tree collards. Any spaces left over I try to get a few lettuces or chard to fill in, slowly the perennials take over.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I really need to start introducing herbs like that.
@kegelcompare
@kegelcompare Год назад
@@REDGardens nice thing about it is that you almost have to keep dividing the herbs every few years. Then you can transplant down the line and start another cluster somewhere else. I try to add 4 or 5 new perennials each year. This year I'm doing stinging nettle, a biennial green called ashitaba, a chinese medicinal called deng shen, and pleurisy root. One way to do little polycultures like this is to start them at the end of beds. They attract beneficial insects and pollinators. There are farms in my area I know of that do this, as well as planting hundreds of feet rows of these type of plants. Once again, it's back to the question of how to utilize the space best based on your needs. Thanks for all your thoughtful content!
@sjsmith9637
@sjsmith9637 Год назад
I'm surprised to hear this as a new gardener. Mainly because it seems like most thinned plants can be harvested as an edible plant rather than a waste product. I guess to me it's not a problem as much as it is an extremely early spring food source. Even those carrot tops pictured could be a salad green.
@kegelcompare
@kegelcompare Год назад
lol, noob... stay surprised
@littlehomesteadbythebeach
@littlehomesteadbythebeach Год назад
So much information in your videos. Thank you very much!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Glad you like them!
@musicteacher29
@musicteacher29 Год назад
I use poly culture in my little yard and get very nice harvest but I put my large bigger crops towards the center of my square foot plan and the use scaffolding of some sort to make sure they stay vertical. This has worked great but does take a decent amount of material. My zone is 7b so I am fairly close to your environment.
@growingaHome
@growingaHome Год назад
This is incredible helpful for my garden. Thank you!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I'm so glad!
@brianbalog5345
@brianbalog5345 Год назад
Great video. Since moving to this new management style for this garden, have you seen improvements in pest prevention I.e., less carrot root fly problems ?
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I have worse carrot fly problems in this garden, mainly because I can't cover the carrot patches with a netting like in the other gardens. I haven't had any success with interplanting with onions and garlic, but am trying a few other options this season.
@ThatBritishHomestead
@ThatBritishHomestead Год назад
I have some multi sown leeks this year, I am very excited about having lots of leeks thisi year. I love making broth and love having leeks for it. I cant wait to have the garden full of life and booming
@wdsp69
@wdsp69 Год назад
Interesting as always. Thanks.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@glassbackdiy3949
@glassbackdiy3949 Год назад
Facinating insight, I can imagine it would take me days to do a similar analysis for my garden, I could give myself a headache just thinking about it! Much appreciated!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@lyndarobinson2853
@lyndarobinson2853 Год назад
That was so useful. I have had to reduce the size if my growing space and this could be a way I could get more from my plot. Looking forward to trying it. Thank you for the inspiration.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@hilaryfaul
@hilaryfaul Год назад
Thanks for another great video! I would be really interested to learn how you manage your time and tasks in the garden. It seems like you achieve so much, you must have to be organised.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Ah, task management is a big part of it! I have big spreadsheets that I use for each garden, with a visual marker for all the tasks. I think I might make a video about it soon.
@damien884
@damien884 Год назад
Very well broken down. I’ll be avoiding polyculture. Reliable square meters of monocrops seems more maintainable
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Thanks. I think that it you look at it from the standpoint of a particular crop, monocropping and control is likely more reliable. I think with the Polyculture method I need to look at it from the whole, where individual crops many be suffering or not do as well as hoped, but overall the garden is possibly producing a lot more.
@damien884
@damien884 Год назад
@@REDGardens agreed and my day job requires that it’s as efficient as possible. It’s why this year I automated all the irrigation zones. That way my critical job can be identifying potential nutritional dificincies and decease in the grouped crop. Deal with it and move on. Monocroping per sq meter also, I found, lends its way to larger yields because intercropping can be better planned in a simpler way prior to the harvest and as such can be more intensively pushed :)
@EmilinaKuhinja
@EmilinaKuhinja Год назад
NEW FRIEND.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
🙂
@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329
I can see this polyculture garden style garden being very hard to manage for the average person. You need a pretty decent understanding of each plant's needs, growing habits, and harvest times. Plus, you need to be on top of any mistakes early, as they will affect so many other plants around them. That's no reason not to have a polyculture bed. Most salad crop beds already lean that way, with a mix of fast-growing crops. The trick would be to mix in some slower growing crop, and transition the bed over the year from salad to more autumn/winter crops. It's an interesting idea, and we all want to grow more verities than we can dedicate a bed to. So going with this concept in one bed will let you branch out a little. Whilst still getting a dependable crop from your other more conventional beds.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Good points. Starting in one bed makes sense. I also think that it is possible to just try out a lot of things, to use this type of gardening management as a learning process, but we need to be able to accept failure and a lot of things not going well. But if we stick with it, and are at least observant if not attentive, a polyculture approach can really speed up the learning and exploration process.
@lljl5310
@lljl5310 Год назад
SUBSCRIBED!!! 👍
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Thanks!
@thornhedge9639
@thornhedge9639 Год назад
How's the pest damage in the poly culture beds compared to the mono culture beds?
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I haven't noticed any significant improvement in the polyculture, and worse in some cases. We still get some caterpillars in the polyculture garden on the beds that we were not able to cover with the netting, and the flea beetle seems to be as bad as in the other gardens, but we did plant a lot of brassicas in these beds. The carrot fly was worse in the polyculture garden, even among the onions and garlic, as we were not able to cover the patches with netting like in the other gardens. Still working on pest issues.
@thornhedge9639
@thornhedge9639 Год назад
@@REDGardens Thank you.
@trenomas1
@trenomas1 Год назад
Squash grows well with beans and corn. Look up three sisters and give it a try this season!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Planning to try that the year, though none of this plants grow well in the Irish climate, so not sure how successful they will be.
@trenomas1
@trenomas1 Год назад
@@REDGardens look at Joseph Lofthouses landrace varieties of corn and squash. They're not consistent colors, but he has developed his varieties in a very short season environment.
@OrtoInScatola
@OrtoInScatola Год назад
Of your gardens this is the one the most closely resembles my raised bed garden, where essentially I have 20 beds, each 120x80cm, where I plant at high density inter planted crops. It’s challenging to keep up with this type of garden, especially if you have little time, and you need a lot of planning on available resources, such as light and water. It also makes it harder to plan any sort of irrigation system and forces me to hand water everything every day in the mid of summer especially here in Italy with the heat we have been having over the last few years
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
The hand watering is a tough one, especially with that many beds in Italy. We are going to install drip line pipes in the gardens this year, which will make managing some of the plantings more difficult, but will at least make the watering easier.
@scootertasmania6619
@scootertasmania6619 Год назад
I noticed a white butterfly in your clip...we have trouble with them in Tasmania Australia. I wish i had soil like what you've got. Your garden looks really good. Good effort.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Yes, the cabbage butterfly. We use netting over most of the crops to keep them off the brassica plants. We are fortunate with our soil here, fairly free draining, but still reasonable fertility folding capacity.
@Tomhohenadel
@Tomhohenadel Год назад
Bruce, where did you learn all this garden info. College, university or learning as you go experience. Always interesting info. Thanks
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Learned from a lot of books and videos, and from my own experience, with my failures being the best teachers. No formal training in horticulture or agriculture. (My only credentialed training is in Architecture!)
@sjsmith9637
@sjsmith9637 Год назад
I think I'm going to try this this year. I have the time but not a lot of space and I plan to plant in this space year after year. I would hope this method will help with the pests that can build over years because I won't be able to rotate plants very far from where they were planted last year. It sounds like the only real draw back is attention time but if space is limited I feel like I have more time than I have space to garden so it's a great trade off.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I think this type of gardening can work quite well in a small space, or if you have more time than space.
@martinengelbrecht5384
@martinengelbrecht5384 Год назад
I think the time of the year also makes a difference, lettuce can be closer together when it's warmer and there is more light and plants are growing faster.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Good point.
@kveale17
@kveale17 Год назад
Do you grow pickling onions? They could be a good crop for this system.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I use to, but you are right that I should include them in this systems
@martinengelbrecht5384
@martinengelbrecht5384 Год назад
I need to be more structured and decisive, if an area is not yeilding by pulling up and replanting. You need to have a planting regime every two weeks.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Yeah, my main struggle with this garden has been trying to plan everything in advance, which just isn't possible. I think it requires more structured observation and reaction, probably at least once a week.
@partminepartmine5000
@partminepartmine5000 Год назад
Brassicas don’t fit in this system because of moths. Nettings are too much effort if everything needs a net.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Yeah, we cover a few of the beds with netting to protect against caterpillars, but the ones we didn't got a bit damaged.
@JordansEcoGarden
@JordansEcoGarden Год назад
Poly cultures are beautiful. I started our family garden this way, and actually came to the same conclusion. . . its just not practical for someone with limited time who needs to feed their family.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
They are beautiful, and I think they can be really beneficial if people ave more time than space, or can afford to only harvest what does well.
@LittlePetieWheat
@LittlePetieWheat Год назад
Interesting design breakthrough. Is weeding challenging?
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Thanks. I think so as well.
@Christian-jx3nx
@Christian-jx3nx Год назад
Hi! Can you describe how to make your fertilizer mix? Thank you.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I use different mixes in different gardens. In this polyculture garden I have used good quality compost, charged biochar and occasionally some chicken manure pellets.
@gregbluefinstudios4658
@gregbluefinstudios4658 Год назад
I wonder what it is, about growing some of the squashes and such for you? About Carrot. Why do we plant about 3 or 4 cm apart but rows about 30cm? Why not the same distance in each dimension? Most carrot root is so narrow, straight taproot. As opposed to the veggies the branch wildly
@gregbluefinstudios4658
@gregbluefinstudios4658 Год назад
for mine, since I am growing in smaller areas, I think it is easier for me to keep my regimen for Fertilizer for Carrot.
@bobaloo2012
@bobaloo2012 Год назад
I've always grown carrots in "strips", rather than rows. So I have a strip of carrots perhaps 5-6" wide, with carrots all through it perhaps an inch apart, then those strips separated by 8" or so. It really increases the yields from a given area and the carrots size up just fine. I grow mine much more crowded but I'm going more for 6" long salad or fresh eating carrots, not those big storage carrots.
@gregbluefinstudios4658
@gregbluefinstudios4658 Год назад
@@bobaloo2012 makes sense to me. I plant gazillions in a 25 gallon grow bag. As they start getting bigger, I take the tiny ones, and thin them, using them for cooking and letting the others grow bigger.
@nickthegardener.1120
@nickthegardener.1120 Год назад
Because of they shade each other out. In rows 30cm apart they get more sun.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I think the main reason for the rows is that is how it is done on the farms, to give space to allow the hoe or tractor implement to keep the sections in between the rows clear of weeds. And this has transferred to people with large allotments or gardens, where a we can walk between the rows and deal with most of the weeds fairly easily. In a smaller space, rows don't make as much sense.
@bluemoon8268
@bluemoon8268 Год назад
… there seems to be a very successful trend with growing squashes vertically (lots of RU-vid videos available on it) … maybe that technique would work in your polyculture bed better than letting it sprawl …
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
That would be interesting to try. One key factor I would need to deal with is the higher winds we can get on this site. Any structure to support the squash would need to be quite strong.
@bluemoon8268
@bluemoon8268 Год назад
@@REDGardens … a rebar rod or t-post would work …
@jasonxkillyou
@jasonxkillyou Год назад
this might be off topic but... curious what pants you are wearing and what kind of tool belt are you carrying. what do you carry in it? garden work is dirty, muddy, and we need easy cloths to jump in and get work done. can you recommend a gardening "load out?" for all the work done, what tools and equipment do you use and recommend? i would love to have a video run down of what you carry. Thanks!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
They are just some builder's pants, like what a carpenter or trades person would wear on a building site. Great for the wear and tear, and loads of useful pockets, but not great for the cold and wind.
@rephaelreyes8552
@rephaelreyes8552 Год назад
I think polyculture works better with interplanting. The idea is the mature plant provides shade and moisture for a seedling. The seedling can quickly establish a relationship with microbes and fungi that's been nurtured by the mature plant.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I am not sure that works here in temperate/cool Ireland. But I haven't really explored that kind of nurse plant approach.
@doinacampean9132
@doinacampean9132 Год назад
Also, maybe combine plants where roots don't inhabit the same space?
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
That would be a good option.
@ceselb
@ceselb Год назад
I would argue that a polyculture garen should be maybe 25% of your garden space, just to roll with the punches of a bad year and still get some yield in bad years. This would require a more hands on approach or at least being in close proximity for observation and directional nudges through the season. I think it's particularly ill suited to your situation with limited focus.
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
I agree.
@doinacampean9132
@doinacampean9132 Год назад
Why not interplant carrots and radishes? When the thinning time comes, you'll simply harvest the radishes. And I can't believe you didn't try the 3 sisters with the squash :)
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Corn doesn't grow well here outside, and neither do most beans, and squash really struggle, so the 3 sisters is not going to be very successful here in the Irish climate. But I am working on that.
@lizxu322
@lizxu322 8 месяцев назад
Unrelated but i wonder why you keep using dead dry plants in thr background when you're talking...i know you definitely have beautiful green lush plants why why not stand in front of them? Sorry, just a small stylistic choice
@REDGardens
@REDGardens 8 месяцев назад
I need to film in the polytunnel to avoid the wind, and I kind of liked the background.
@lizxu322
@lizxu322 8 месяцев назад
@@REDGardens haha that's fair
@jellojoe00
@jellojoe00 Год назад
Hey Bruce!
@REDGardens
@REDGardens Год назад
Hey Jeff!
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