Polygamy in Canada?

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A recent CBC Fifth Estate episode about polygamy has sparked debate amongst Muslims. The investigative report featured an imam who officiates marriages for men who want to have a second wife. Some of these marriages are kept secret from the first wife. Because the marriages are not recognized or registered under Canadian law, the women in these relationships forgo their legal rights and are often treated unjustly by their husbands. So now we have to ask: Why was the practice of polygamy permitted according to the Quran and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad? And should polygamy be practiced in Canada?
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@JaneyImaaniEmotionalAwareness 5 лет назад

I love how clearly he breaks down the subject!

@faraqkul 5 лет назад

I guess u would allow your husband to marry 2 nd wife

@muhammadmafaz8530 3 года назад

But he's emotional not teaching the truth.

@fidelcatsro6948 5 лет назад

Great episode!

@ALIBHAI-em1ip 4 года назад

Asslamu'alikum wr'wb Thanks Sir very beautiful explanation jazakAllah hu khairan

@ikoutou5382 5 лет назад

Thank you Doctor... To summarise, if I understood well: the principle is monogamy; Polygamy is allowed exceptionally when that brings justice where strict and rigid monogamy rule would bring cruel injustice. The objective is therefore JUSTICE, not satisfaction of men's lust; Quran says it clearly. Monogamy is indeed the principle according to the Quran; because: 1. Quran says God created a couple of one man and one woman to start with (Bible and Hadith name them Adam and Hawa). God could have created one Adam and many Hawa's, or one Hawa and many Adams, but he did not. 2. Nature (God's creation) also points to parity of sexes (therefore to monogamy) according to demographic statistics; except where disequilibrium has been brought about by catastrophes (natural or caused by human). 3. Let us also take into account the instinctive dislike of polygyny among all women; and the instinctive dislike of polyandry among all men, except when they objectively see it as a remedy to an unjust situation they dislike even more and want to correct... Men and Women, also God's creation Therefore, Nature and our Inner instinctive feeling agree here to prove what Quran meant on this subject, as per Verse 41:53 (fussilat) [we shall show them in Nature and in themselves our signs (the same that are mentioned in Quran) until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth, etc.] ------- God never contradicts himself! (a) Nature, (b) our natural unbiased instinctive feelings and (c) Quran, all coming from the same God (the One, Unique and Universal God), they cannot contradict each other.

@Muslimah1987 5 лет назад

It seems you have a good grasp of this. Would you be able to shed any light on my questions above- I'll copy/paste my comment here: "So what is the conclusion on the practice of polygamy itself? If the Quran lays down explicit conditions for it's practice, then doesn't it follow that its practice outside those conditions is forbidden? If so, how do we reconcile this with the Prophet's polygamous marriages which did not always meet those requirements? Why should a believing woman feel such a sense of hurt as to prevent her husband from a practice that God has allowed him? Moreover, why should this be sufficient reason for him to actually refrain from the practice? I just can't get behind the idea of forbidding something purely because it hurts someone's feelings - while emotion has it's place, laws are supposed to be based primarily on reason and logic. I was under the impression that monogamy is the prevailing norm because it's the stronger institution and therefore produces a more stable and prosperous society. Polygamy creates a social imbalance wherein men with more resources 'hog' young (mostly virgin) women which creates a deficit of eligible brides for the men with fewer to no resources. This in turn creates a discontent male underclass which in turn breeds many social ills including more violence and generally less safe environment. Not to mention the plethora of other issues including mental health problems amongst the women; developmental problems in the children resulting to some extent from the part-time fatherhood that comes with polygamy. It would be great to see a more in-depth and comprehensive analysis of this (and other) hot button subject that addresses the points above."

@siddiqui4564 5 лет назад

@@Muslimah1987According to ISLAM, marriage is a contract between a man and a woman. So woman have right to prevent her husband to get married again. You're not buying a woman as your permanent partner. Marriage is just a contract that depends upon mutual faithfulness,love and respect. So if any partner go against this contract and don't take spouse opinion that Means you're not following ISLAM. The same reason Prophet Muhammad didn't allow his son in law to get married. Prophet said that my Fatima will get hurted. Don't give excuse man to fulfill your lust. Don't defame ISLAM.

@jasondelong1 5 лет назад

Siddiqui 456 the contract of marriage was only interpolated recently as a state use to control population. So what about women who may initially be hurt but quickly come to terms and be receptive of their circumstances that would allow the women to take care of each other under one or two roofs? Then that contract is obsolete. When people can actually apply reason and logic without emotion then we could be more progressive about the concept to where we could improve and reestablish community life.

@xadam1964 5 лет назад

Why the prophet of Allah practiced polygamy then??

@ikoutou5382 5 лет назад

@@xadam1964 I suppose because it brought more justice than rigid monogamy in the circumstances that prevailed then. Polygamy is allowed as an exception when circumstances are such that imposing monogamy would be crual injustice. Also, from the little I know he married his women before receiving the revelation about marriage rules.

@amanmalik2003 3 года назад

its clearly illegal in canada and the U.S so how do you go around that?

@Dr.JudeAEMasonMD 2 года назад

The second (third, and fourth) wives are only married Islamically by way of nikkah but are not granted legal marriage status Canada or the US. Lots of potential issues with this…

@shdurani 5 лет назад

Some good thoughts and points shared, however I feel because host and guest were daughter and father, talking on this issue might have limited them in sharing thoughts.

@digitalmadrasa4219 4 года назад

Is it biological father and daughter or just a spiritual?

@Dr.JudeAEMasonMD 2 года назад

@@digitalmadrasa4219 There are no spiritual fathers in Islam. Just brothers and sisters in the faith. This is her dad.

@Magic818100 5 лет назад

Why would somebody want to have more than one wife adjust really troubles my mind. As a man I prefer just one but that's me, everyone has their own opinion

@elisalopezdelacruz3563 5 лет назад

Tentative Russell but now there is more men the women and many men are wifeless brother. What should be the solution for that?

@elisalopezdelacruz3563 5 лет назад

Tentative Russell my question was not if it was permissible or not. The question is what would be the solution for the wifeless brother?

@dariusi6222 5 лет назад

Polygamy is not allowed so men can chase their sexual fantasies, watch sam gerran's video he explains perfectly: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dmZRkQREVvg.html

@s2_9_azzahra77 3 года назад

@@elisalopezdelacruz3563 Polygamy only applies to widows with lots of orphans as the qur’an says. And no,the amount of men and women are roughly the same..even in some country there are more men and women..and Not everyone has to get married..what about people who died before they got married? And what about poor men who cant afford his daily needs let alone other women’s needs? And what about rich people who are majority more evil and arrogant who cant even do enough good islamic deeds yet?!

@elisalopezdelacruz3563 3 года назад

@@s2_9_azzahra77 then the narrative of “there is more women then men” does not apply to either gender. And according of many polygyny is allow even when woman is not a widow... most of men does not want to care for the seed of other. 🤨 so, is Islam inherently misogynistic or is only the Muslims?

@brucesims3228 5 лет назад

IMHO a line needs to be drawn between polygamy and polyamory Parading as polygamy. Polygamy is an institution.....a form of marriage....in which Al. Parties are apprised, have input and come to an acceptable resolution.If some one is playing "I gotta secret" ,that's not marriage. I dont mean to offend, but I do want to say that I am increasingly dismayed at the co stant reports of malfeasance conducted in the name of Marriage. What gives these people the right to play fast and loose with the rules?

@Magic818100 5 лет назад

You know I looking at the comments that people are posting and one person is right there is so many unanswered questions ???. There is one thing people got understand to when the books were written whether you want to call it the Bible or the Koran no matter what holy book remember times were different we didn't even have the technology that we have today when these people wrote these books they wrote according to what was happening in their tim. This is why many words that you see written in the books if they were to be written today people will use the events that we have today to describe. you know you have to remember they don't carry the world in the time was going to continue the same way as long as man exists but the reality is the world has changed culture has change technology has changed the world you know you see things written where people described by writing and they use the horses because in that time there was no such a thing as automobile there were no planes so people use different terms of words that they knew that they can use in their time to write the Books. if these books will be to be written today they'll probably use airplanes, automobile or whatever technology we have today I know this is very hard for so many to swallow. this is why I tell people don't get caught up with the books don't misunderstand me what I'm saying it is important to books but you must get caught up with the god the Creator Allah or whatever name you use in your language. some will say elohim. it is more important to have a relationship with God because that's the source. You remove yourself from that source and you will lose your connection to to the one that give life. Ahadumiliah

@Muslimah1987 5 лет назад

So what is the conclusion on the practice of polygamy itself? If the Quran lays down explicit conditions for it's practice, then doesn't it follow that its practice outside those conditions is forbidden? If so, how do we reconcile this with the Prophet's polygamous marriages which did not always meet those requirements? Why should a believing woman feel such a sense of hurt as to prevent her husband from a practice that God has allowed him? Moreover, why should this be sufficient reason for him to actually refrain from the practice? I just can't get behind the idea of forbidding something purely because it hurts someone's feelings - while individual preference has its place, the religious law should already be safeguarding our emotional wellbeing. Therefore legally allowing unconditional polygamy and relying purely on men's benevolence/social pressure to regulate it, seems an atrociously unfair thing. I was under the impression that monogamy is the prevailing norm because it's the stronger institution and therefore produces a more stable and prosperous society. Polygamy creates a social imbalance wherein men with more resources 'hog' young (mostly virgin) women which creates a deficit of eligible brides for the men with fewer to no resources. This in turn creates a discontent male underclass which in turn breeds many social ills including more violence and generally less safe environment. Not to mention the plethora of other issues including mental health problems amongst the women; developmental problems in the children resulting to some extent from the part-time fatherhood that comes with polygamy. It would be great to see a more in-depth and comprehensive analysis of this (and other) hot button subject that addresses the points above.

@Muslimah1987 5 лет назад

@Meshari It's more about being as faithful as possible to the intended meaning of the verse.

@siddiqui4564 5 лет назад

@@Muslimah1987 if Muhammad's daughter Fatima can't tolerate her husband to get married again, then why you're expecting from normal women. First go and ask why Muhammad didn't allow Ali to get married again and again. Why Ali have only one wife Fatima. Prophet wants that Ali shouldn't practice best sunnah (polygyny). A lot of injustice and nonsense rules and regulations in Islam. Now I understood why people with good understanding leaves ISLAM. It's just because ISLAM makes no sense. Dr Shabir Ally is just defending Islam unsuccessfully.

@Muslimah1987 5 лет назад

@@siddiqui4564 You may have a point. Which is exactly why Dr Ally and others need to cut the apologia out and focus only on being entirely faithful to God's word alone. Watering things down for PR purposes helps no one and is only driving people away who feel confused and eventually disillusioned by all these contradictory ideas.

@ahkidsshow7533 5 лет назад

you mentioned "issues including mental health problems amongst the women; developmental problems in the children resulting to some extent from the part-time fatherhood that comes with polygamy" In the Quraan it says "if you are able" Any notable scholar will take some time to really explain this in depth. My understanding(to simplify it) is Financial and Emotional/Mental ability. With that being said if a person is making around 300k per year with minimal work(business owner) invested and is a practicing Muslim. What would prevent said individual from doing justice between wives and children? IF the man and both women were truly righteous they would assist each other to raise the children in the most respectable way islamically. Another point I would like to mention is Aisha(R) was the most jealous mother we had, and married the youngest at 9 years old. She should have been the most exposed to mental instability, especially because of her age. But no, rather, she was the most learned scholar among the sahaba kareem, because of her, we have over 2000 authentic hadith which was only with her. Subhan'Allah. Not only that she was the commander and leader on the battle of the Camel. I also understand the examples you and I mentioned are exceptions, and we don't base rules and laws on exceptions. Allah'hu alim. Allah will judge every individual accordingly. and polygamous relations are extremely difficult. I myself would prefer not to enter into a polygamous relationship, as my wife and 2 children take up all my time. I have very little time to read and gain knowledge. BUT if a situation occurs where it would be the best course of action to take. My wife and I both say: If it is Qadr of Allah the we accept the extra members to our family. Especially if there are orphans to take care of. Jazak'Allah for reading Salam'alaikum.

@abdurrazzaq4040 4 года назад

Shabbir Ali is playing in the bush. The answer could be much more straight forward and bold. His interpretation of polygamy is wrong as well.

@azimhashmi6694 5 лет назад

sister you should proud of your father Dr. Shabir Ali. InshAllah Allah gives him alot more islamic knowledge..

@mamamarianovits9029 3 года назад

This knowledge is free to all who seek it out, especially in our day of unprecedented access to information via the technology we possess. The qur'an can be read in any language alongside the Arabic version, and available in more versions than just the 1924 canonized qur'an edition most commonly used today, as are all the haddiths~though I personally only study the sahih class haddiths. There is no great mystery in studying islam, it merely takes time and patience to work out the abrogations and striking inconsistencies.

@imanaibai8641 2 года назад

Dr Shabir is truly a blessing

@Dr.JudeAEMasonMD 2 года назад

This was a fascinating conversation. As a Christian revert to Islam, the correlation between what the prophet does and what is prescribed in the Holy book sometimes differs. Biblical accounts say that Jesus the Christ (pbuh) never married but that clearly is neither the practical nor moral standard for those who followed his teachings. I humbly submit that the same may also apply to the prophet Mohammed, pbuh.

@neonred869 2 года назад

This man doesn't teach classical teachings of Islam. To be honest he is giving his own opinion not the classical teachings. He told many contradictory things in the past but this discussion doesn't seem to do that. It's your life and your feelings are more important than your spouse's and you should respect what your spouses think.

@dianehansma1725 Год назад

Just don’t live off hard working taxpayers money! Where is your pride? Get a job….for those who want to get free money from taxpayers and have many kids! Child cheques in the mail should go to ONE family, that’s it!!!! Canada has laws and they are not applied…shame on the judicial system..it’s a joke!

@mikea.312 2 года назад

Why aren’t women NOT allowed to have multiple husbands

@muhammadmafaz8530 3 года назад

Doctor fear to Allah you are giving misinterpretation. Obviously women get offended but she has to fear Allah rather than following her ego.

@AllTheNations2819 5 лет назад

Dr. Shabir is refusing to directly answer the question. He's trying to respond from his cultural context, that is, presupposing Western norms in his reading of the Quran. Find one Muslim scholar not from or living in the West that answers this question as Shabir does?

@ahkidsshow7533 5 лет назад

We wont find any scholars that answer like Dr. Shabir because they will speak with evidence. The evidence presented by Dr. Shabir is amazingly biased. Like you mentioned it, its the western ideologies mixed up with his readings of Islam. Im very disheartened Dr. Shabir would scoop to this level. P.S I have 1 wife and I'm good. I don't believe I can do justice with another one.

@mooseknuckle8334 5 лет назад

When in Rome.

@mooseknuckle8334 3 года назад

@Mr. Anderson When in Rome..............

@elisalopezdelacruz3563 5 лет назад

Mashallah thank you, finally someone bring the fact that there is more man than women in the world (thanks to Muslim country actually).

@tanjavankessel2548 5 лет назад

Elisa Lopez De la Cruz In China they have a large surplus of young men as a result of decades of one-child policy, where many people had a preference for a boy

@elisalopezdelacruz3563 5 лет назад

Tanja Van Kessel you right I meant was Asians country 😂

@manimarank7893 2 года назад

Muslim must or have to follow the Quran by Nabi Muhammad teaching.

@nerogreco993 4 года назад

Muslims are already practicing polygamy in Canada and on a larger scale than they would be able to in their countries of origin given that Canadian welfare pays for their lifestyle choice. DNA testing to verify who the father of the child is not a pressing matter. The stock answer is ... ''It was just one night- I don't know his name'' and they get a nice home for cheap rent while 'The Man' goes back and forth, switching women and sometimes convinently in the same ethnic-cylo-public-housing-complex to breed to his heart content while John and Jane que public got to work, struggle to support one child and pay down a mortgage and paying out a heavy tax load.

@mizgenius3363 7 месяцев назад

Secret marriages should be illegal! Clearly such marriages lead to major sins in Islam. Idk why it’s so difficult for scholars to declare them as a sin.

@balochistannews4042 Год назад

In canadin law men can register his two wife s

@auwaltahir7391 Год назад

They allow homosexuals, lesbians And transgenders. It’s allowed to have multiple side chick’s, infidelity and so on. But taking a second wife and having a second wife isn’t allowed. Utter hypocrisy

@dariusi6222 5 лет назад

You cant marry another woman without firsts wife's permission

@dariusi6222 5 лет назад

@Meshari What evidence? Quran aims for 'justice' which means your first wife must be okay with the idea, what are you trying to do mate? set fire on your house? lol

@learnzz9255 5 лет назад

Why are they blaming the man ? It takes another woman to do this. It is their right to get married and enjoy each other even thou you hate it.

@xadam1964 5 лет назад

The reason prophet Muhammad didn't get married on his first wife Kahdjah, first of all she proposed to him because she was wealthy women and the prophet was her employee, now you tell me how come you think she will allowed him to bring another women? not possible. That is what kept the prophet from marrying 2nd wife, but as soon as Kahdijah died he started marrying women not only 4 but many of them,plus the women who gave themselves( sleep with him) with out getting married to the prophet. So Dr. Shabir not telling the truth and he know it.

@xadam1964 5 лет назад

@@user-ue2ck5gm8w really? 50% of the practice you do is from the hadith and the suna you don't even know it. My sources are the hadith, Quran and sirah. Now if you telling me you don't believe in the hadith and suna that means you are not practicing Islam.

@aamrakamran7275 5 лет назад

Respect secular law.

@pam4840 4 года назад

Everywhere in the world the book and the law of the land are at logger heads. Muslims needs to be self critical and understand that in modern age these sorts of archaic laws have no place.As the other imam said if you find it hard to follow Canadian polygamy laws then leave for other countries that allow it. Best I have heard from the conservative Muslim clergy.

@khadijabenassou8996 5 лет назад

Polygamie is haraaaaam. You misunderstood The Word of Allaah❤❤❤, The Almighty. Woooo you. This is SHIRK.

@xadam1964 5 лет назад

Who said it is haram? Why prophet Muhammad married 11 women plus.. are you accusing prophet Muhammad of doing Haram??

@khadijabenassou8996 5 лет назад

@@xadam1964 He is a prophet. This is what Allaah❤❤❤ made him do. With a messanger. Only The prophet. Allaah❤❤❤ is The Most Just. Man are not more than women. Think. Woh they think they are????

@xadam1964 5 лет назад

@@khadijabenassou8996 so if polygamy is bad for society why Allah/ God want his prophet to be bad example for the people? Or Allah he wants his prophet to be pleasured by multiple women?