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@carminered 3 года назад

Hmmm forced induction 4 seater versus a dedicated sports car chassis with an NA 6... what a mystery.

@TheEpyonz 3 года назад

GT4 all day every day over the bimmer

@Hapkin Год назад

I just drove both hard in the canyons in CA. I still maintain the M2CS puts the power down better than the GT4 on back roads with better suspension compliance, more fun engine. On the up hills I dropped the GT4 to the top of our mountain run because M2CS has way more torque, right out of the gate in slow speed corners.

@M3_86 3 года назад

That CS is so good looking

@user-xl7yf7pc7k 3 года назад

The answer is simple, one of each. DCT M2 CS for the daily commute and a manual GT4 for weekend blasts...if only, hey.

@mannysingh6618 3 года назад

Naa, take a NA engine any day, so it'd be the GTS 4.0 as a daily please.

@chadconnolly1138 3 года назад

Manual m2cs for daily hooning, pdk gt4 for track work

@curvetrcalinga 3 года назад

Even if it gets pitted with a Cayman S, I will chose the mid engine flat six because the center of gravity is spot on.

@asimmalik6378 3 года назад

Cayman S is a 4 pot. Only the GTS and GT4 are a flat 6 now

@Scorpio1075 3 года назад

@@asimmalik6378 I think that was his point... even the Cayman S is a better driver's car than the BMW CS, that's how I took his comment.

@oliverradcliffe7974 3 года назад

I would too.. Cayman S is so, so good

@agroves72 3 года назад

"A marginal gain for a lot more money": the official slogan of the CS trim level.

@dafrasier1 3 года назад

I drove my M2 Comp on the Ring. It needed sports suspension. 4000 euro at shop close to Ring., KW brand. Several M2 Comp owners had modified them with sports suspension. I did not have the time in Europe to do that. My Boxster which I also drove on the Ring, did not need different suspension. Porsche = street legal race car. BMW M2 = good performance car, but not a race car. "08.08.19 Spin" 46 second video, "23.07.2017 Nordschleife 718 Boxster S" my best lap

@Khan0098assasin 3 года назад

@@dafrasier1 wow

@gigiilmilionario2 3 года назад

It's hard to decide, the cayman is more sporty but the bmw is more comfy in every day use (4 seats and a good trunk)

@garethholden301 3 года назад

M2 comp and £2k worth of suspension, job jobbed

@ricardorodrigues3508 3 года назад

2k?? where are you getting suspension, wish.com?

@ilya4759 3 года назад

The CS will make up for it in resale value. There are a lot of stupid people who will pay extra for anything that has limited production.

@Mac_F87 Год назад

@@ricardorodrigues3508 Bilstien B16 or KW Variant 3 are more than good enough to transform the M2 chassis. Both cost around 2k. No need for likes of the KW Clubsport or Nitron R1 or R3 unless you are doing a full track build.

@RicardoR5 Год назад

@@Mac_F87 those prices must be in germany because of vat 19 and less transport costs, those are not 2k in portugal

@Mac_F87 Год назад

@@RicardoR5 in the UK. £2200 for Bilstein and £2500 for KW. Both were around £1800 before Brexit. Most places have the Bilstein at £1750 just now on sale.

@-DC- 3 года назад

Quality of these reviews deserves so many more viewer's Dan is killing it 💪

@seanoconnor8135 3 года назад

The S55 still sounds horrendous too. Give me the Porsche every day of the week

@sanzserif 3 года назад

Eh the new gt4 doesn't sound as good as it used to due to the new emissions regulations. The 981 platform is the sweet spot for exhaust sound on these cars.

@peterhammer6915 3 года назад

the porsches sound is really disappointing for me, so much worse than they used to be, big letdown

@seanoconnor8135 3 года назад

@@sanzserif I agree. The exhaust particulate filters do muffle the sound a bit, but it still sounds 10x better than the M2. The 981 sound was perfection

@sanzserif 3 года назад

@@seanoconnor8135 100% agree. Even the US spec (without the particulate filters) has a new exhaust system that doesnt wail like the previous cars.

@krasnaludek298 3 года назад

If you think a Porsche sounds good, then have your hearing checked or your man card revoked. No third option - Ferrari, Dodge Hellcat, Ford GT 500, or Maserati sounds good, but most every Porsche sounds like a lawn mower.

@Breadfan00 3 года назад

I'd choose the Porsche in a heartbeat. It's a real race car. The BMW seems more like a standard coupe with is tuned to the limit.

@Hapkin Год назад

Drive them both. They are both special. M2CS is more fun on almost all roads, particularly if it's bumpy or uphill.

@StakedWealth369 3 года назад

Great review! Very underrated channel

@j.3854 3 года назад

Oh boy a “lightweight” BMW. Errr. Wait it’s still 3500 lbs.

@supposedly6991 3 года назад

*3400 *lbs

@CASILLAS521 3 года назад

I prefer the Porsche Cayman GT4 engine, gearbox and interior, But.. its hard to resist that BMW M2CS specially in Black with Gold wheels it just works 🇩🇪

@ldhumph70 3 года назад

718 GTS 4.0 please..

@NFiltr8Red 3 года назад

I love the M2 CS wheels, that’s about it.

@snake3276120 3 года назад

I'm surprised they cost the same in UK. Here in Canada the GT4 is much more expensive.

@adamkelsall3942 3 года назад

Nice one Dan. It's all about the damping. I'm thinking M2 Competition with a set of Ohlins R&T Dampers, camber plates, Michelin PS4S tyres and a geo to give it a really precise front end. And save £35k over a CS.

@Wallstreetavarice 3 года назад

I can't imagine what head trauma would have to occur for anyone to ever pick that BMW over a GT4. Looks, quality, sound, performance, depreciation, the BMW loses at everything.

@thisisrob8750 2 года назад

you are wrong . M2 CS going up in value. Future collectable. Every reviewer praises it

@thomasmrozovich7631 3 года назад

Is that a lighter than usual yellow, or is the blue filter messing with my eyes? The Porsche looks amazing.

@billymania11 3 года назад

They are both fine cars. No losers here. I prefer the practicality of the BMW (I own a 2018 M2), and if I see a GT4 at the stoplight, I'll tip my hat.

@swanblake 3 года назад

I would go 981 GT4 personally. Id get it with Sharkwerks gearing.as well. The BMW is too heavy for going wothout an armrest and for that price.

@yetidh9 3 года назад

Sharkwerks only re gear 3-6th, as do Hollinger. I would go with a new crown wheel and pinion to shorten all 6 years, and maybe add a longer 6th for cruising.

@gb6281 3 года назад

Ya. If I had a 981 GT4 I'd get the Fabspeed GT420 package for about 10k. Either way, you can't lose

@mohammedseedat4453 3 года назад

Awesome review, very well said!!!

@timmietz 3 года назад

Thank you very much for this video. Really enjoyed it. I do not however agree with the choice of the competitor out of the Porsche lineup for this comparison test. It should’ve been the 4.0 GTS. Here in the US, the M2CS with carbon ceramic brakes is $27,000 cheaper than the GT4 with the carbon ceramic brakes and a few other options. 4.0 GTS is spot on pricewise though.

@smilepermile8165 3 года назад

In the UK, the M2CS costs nearly identical to the 718 Cayman GT4, regardless if you tick the carbon ceramic brake option or not.

@timmietz 3 года назад

@@smilepermile8165 that’s weird. I just ordered a PDK GT4 and nicely optioned it cam to $131K (including PCCBs). That’s almost $40K more than my M2CS that has all options except for the DCT.

@smilepermile8165 3 года назад

@@timmietz Yes its very strange how certain markets price their cars completely differently from others. I'm not kidding- in the UK, the M2 CS begins from £72,600, whereas the 718 Cayman GT4 starts from £75,780. Thats why they compared the two cars together in this test. Obviously, the Porsche will come with expensive options though. It all depends on your priorities - if you want a car that's more practical (because you only have one parking space), then the M2 CS is the better compromise but if you want the car that is better dynamically as its based on an inherently superior midengined chassis, the 718 GT4 is the way to go.

@ajunta2270 3 года назад

@@smilepermile8165 You're totally right but I just want to add that the Porsche isn't better than the BMW just because it's based on an inherently superior platform. It has better damping as well as a better engine, too. If these were DCTs, the Porsche would win that contest as well.

@smilepermile8165 3 года назад

@@ajunta2270 Oh yes for sure, I'm not saying that its solely on the mid engined layout that makes the Cayman superior to the 2 series based car. Suspension damping quality as you say, aerodynamics, throttle response, steering feel etc play their part too.

@TheKitchenTechnician 3 года назад

This isn’t even a contest. No one in their right mind would take the BMW over the Cayman.

@Hapkin 3 года назад

I did...I had a manual 911 Targa 4s, have driven multi generational Cayman S, GTS's, GT4's, loved them all. But they were too perfect, too anodyne, too German. You have to get to a track to really enjoy that sweet top end of the GT4. in the mountain twisties , the M2 CS is just more fun. More mid range usable power. No doubt, it's not a value proposition kind of car but if you can afford it, it's great. Plus my wife, kid and dog fit. Instant win.

@Radiation580 2 года назад

I choose m2cs over cayman

@yetidh9 3 года назад

An M2 comp with Ohlins Road and Track would see off an M2 CS.

@cthis4786 3 года назад

Ohlins are the best! Makes any car sharper but more engaging as well.

@mikewils3376 3 года назад

Porsche all day long, interior is a lot nicer and the looks are amazing compared to the M2

@888mf4 3 года назад

Good review Dan. Agree that the steering wheel on the M2 CS is too chunky and that they should have kept the arm rests. However don't think it's fair to compare these two based on price. The M2 CS is not as good as a GT4 for lots of reasons, but its also not competing in that space. People buying the M2 CS need 4 seats and a boot, and even at £75000 there's not a lot of cars that offer a dynamic driving style at that price point. The M3, M3 and possibly M2 Competition are probably its biggest rivals. Remember that all M2 CS sold out, so there is big demand for this type of car. The only other car that has German build quality and 4 seats that comes to mind is the Mercedes C63S Coupe.

@jackflash6657 3 года назад

BMW's cs pricing invited this comparo. If practicality is the goal, just buy an M2comp for < $60k

@darkblueturbo 3 года назад

Can I have both. I suspect they both respond well to different moods. The Cayman for a full on ‘drive’ and the M2 for a hairy chested attack of a road.

@davidemery429 2 года назад

The thing is, I’ve had both the GT4 and the M2CS and the M2 is better fir about 95% of the time. The GT4 is the car you go for on a weekend and drive the legs of it because it just feels totally wasted and uncomfortable driving around town so, if you have the money to have a car you drive only at the weekends then the GT4 is it, but if you want a car that is brilliant at everything it does then the M2CS is that car - I also think the extra money for the M2CS is worth it as I’ve never lost any money on the m2 and I lost loads in the GT4.

@cwpf8752 3 года назад

You failed to account for the limited production when comparing m2cs and the Competition. Taking this into account and the chance of the CS becoming an M Classic car, it is basically cheaper than the comp. it won‘t depreciate in value as much if at all.

@ricardorodrigues3508 3 года назад

I buy cars to drive them, who cares about having a garage queen, why spend 80k+ on a car, not drive it, then when day you die and the new owner goes "man this classic is hadly driven, the precious owner never got it out for a drive"

@Rickrg95 2 года назад

only if you don't drive the car. And there are far better "investments" than a m2cs

@marklynn6907 3 года назад

Great video. One call out. In what world do these vehicles cost the same??? Even a low spec GT4 will run $115,000 US. The M2 can be had for $88,000. The CS is a phenomenal car and if you have kids the best options for a weekend warrior. But the GT4 is the top of the food chain. Mid engine, Porsche build quality. Anxious to see the numbers on a PDK equipped GT4 vs it’s 911 brethren....

@RaymondLo84 Год назад

It is UK there

@webxdesign 3 года назад

I have a M2 but to be honest, the Gt4 is the much better sportscar. The M2 CS sounds bad and the first M2 N55 feels much more like a sportscar.

@prageethathapaththu8090 3 года назад

BMW M2 CS ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@gobinduppal4429 3 года назад

Awesome Dan. I gotta say man, their is something very addicting about your character/persona on camera. Maybe its that you're being yourself. Idk. But it works!

@mrnicktoyou 3 года назад

If the BMW had a naturally aspirated 4.0 litre inline 6 it would be a lot more appealing.

@gtsspeed2619 3 года назад

A,ways enjoy your reviews Dan. Great channel.

@albertogonzalez5707 3 года назад

i never understand why people compare a front engine coupe to a mid engine sports car. especially when the M2 CS is still based on a car chassis from a base 2 series and the Cayman is a pure bred sports car from the ground up

@CIREM3 3 года назад

E46 ///M3 FTW!!!

@Scorpio1075 3 года назад

The pinnacle of M, it did it's intended function as well as any M car before or after it.

@shin-eisato5788 3 года назад

only they are too expensive.. the world of compact sports cars are very luxury now.. understand they are also premium & rare but wish it was more available with a reasonable effort, not a super car level..

@gregs8685 3 года назад

Shocking to see the prices in the UK are essentially the same. In the US the BMW is $16k cheaper (16%) than a GT4 and $3k cheaper than the Cayman GTS 4.0.

@joncamilleri2172 Год назад

Great review..

@DexxonGamer77 3 года назад

Id the the M2cs anyday! Its so good. Looks epic, feels more fun, and has a much better engine.

@ryanb8736 2 года назад

Better engine than GT4? Not even close!

@DexxonGamer77 2 года назад

@@ryanb8736 OK fine better engine was a lie. But I'd still take an M2cs. I just prefer it's looks, and how it's less race car and more playful. I just like that front engine couple bodyshape more.

@pigeonpoo1823 3 года назад

So, for me the Porsche gearing is a deal breaker. And the M2 makes more sense in 50k guise. In which case, I'd compare M2 to A110 and see which made me laugh the most

@Timboo1971 3 года назад

Have you driven a 2019/20 GT4? I think you'll find there's plenty of torque to eliminate the tall, track focused gearing. Even if the gearing was marginally shorter you would perhaps get one more gear change in, driving at nine tenths, before immediately blowing through the maximum speed laws in the UK (70mph)… I think the gearing issue is highlighting a much smaller fly in the ointment than it actually is and only focused on due to lack of other things to nit pick…

@pigeonpoo1823 3 года назад

You're right, but 6 cylinder engines (can) sound glorious and I'd want to rev them.... hard.... which would mean speeds beyond my skill level.

@ApothecaryTerry 3 года назад

My 981S tops out at 75 in 2nd gear, it's really not an issue since they have plenty of torque and sound great at anything past 2k RPM. You can cruise around happily 6th in a manual or 7th in a PDK at about 45mph and only drop 1 gear to accelerate (not going to overtake without dropping to at least 3rd of course).

@MD-qp8gj 3 года назад

Ive owned a GT4 for 2 years now and I think you’re missing out. It’s a fantastic car and is made to drive at 5500 rpm and above. It is a very fast car on the track. Not trying to justify myself just my opinion.

@pigeonpoo1823 3 года назад

It's good to hear from people who actually live with the cars being reviewed. I hope you guys hurt your tyres every trip (ie have fun), otherwise buy a bus pass

@bshulman5113 3 года назад

Excellent review sir!

@limpunsing224 3 года назад

Top notch video review Keep it up guys

@kreasenchetty 3 года назад

As a long time bmw owner and fanatic, I can say that porsche has always been that bit better where it counts. Its not that porsche are trying to be better than the rest, its just that they are always trying to better than their previous model... which was the best. It makes me a little jealous to say that a great bmw is one that drives like a porsche...

@hazardeur 3 года назад

well, BMW always has the "burden" to be a bit more daily compatibel than a Porsche. While some can, most people won't daily a Porsche (2 seats, looks, cargo space, drive feeling) and Porsche knows that so they can concentrate more on being a sports car. BMW usually just needs to please a much more varied audience, even with the M line so of course they will have to sacrifice some of that sportyness. Most people I know with M cars just have that one car and no dedicated car for fun and daily. Given these facts, I think the M is as competitive as it gets. If Porsche had the same audience, they would make the same sacrifices I'm sure. Let's see somebody with kids, a regular job and daily duties but the need for a sporty car make the comparison/review. I'm sure the M will get picked most of the time.

@kunalmore5212 Год назад

@@hazardeur very well said my friend. I cannot agree more with you. The Porsche audience will always pick a Porsche sports car for fun but bmw M cars have to do both. Now if we bring the Porsche’s “practical” models into the picture let’s say the panamera or cayenne macan etc.. then BMW M cars have it! These practical Porsches don’t stand a chance around M cars !

@hazardeur Год назад

@@kunalmore5212 you just get more for less. it's just a shame the new M's are so freaking ugly. Porsche's first Panamera looked ugly as hell but they fixed it. I don't have high hopes BMW will do the same

@kunalmore5212 Год назад

@@hazardeur door be so harsh on bmw the m5 and m8 look so beautiful! I like the new m3/4 as well To be honest

@hazardeur Год назад

@@kunalmore5212 5 and 8 look great, jep. the 3 and 4 however....not so much. also, the rest of their lineup....man. just a week ago i saw a new BMW with a grill so stupidly big and hideous, a couple of years ago you could have troll posted it on the internet and not a soul would have believed you.

@MrJdp1968 3 года назад

Superb stuff from Dan, that GT4 is a great car

@wesbuck339 Месяц назад

I dont agreee! I have a M2 CS and once you push it. It buckles down and performance is better than any other car i have driven. You just need to push it Harder!!!!

@kevinoshaughnessy2752 3 года назад

Class Dan great Video

@johncrazy8756 3 года назад

M2 CS 83k usd (if you can get one) vs 100k usd in the US. interesting price difference between countries.

@2120marcelo 3 года назад

M2 CS hands down

@atlasrex 3 года назад

BMW versus GT 4 Porsche? Compare the resale in 12 months and the BMW will have dropped by tens of thousands while the GT4 will hardly have devalued….

@moneyparhar 3 года назад

No brainer GT4👍

@digitalskala 3 года назад

So what about the Cayman GTS 4.0 vs the GT4? Why only focus on the price diff between Competition vs CS?

@markrhoden68 3 года назад

As a fan and owner of BMW I find myself wondering who would buy the a BMW over the Porsche unless the BMW was so much better than the Porsche

@hazarddavid6987 3 года назад

At your request Dan, i humbly subscribed...

@bobstarr 3 года назад

Did Porsche magically fix the gear ratios?

@markcompton6750 3 года назад

An Alpine 110s maybe?

@gb6281 3 года назад

Can anyone please explain how these two cars cost are the same ?

@Ansmo87 3 года назад

I made a similar comment on Car magazine’s review but as a 2019 M2C owner... I’m not so sure I’m missing out on the M2 CS even if it looks brilliant. The GT4 looks ace but for the same reasons, why wouldn’t you look at a GTS 4.0 first?

@GethinJames Год назад

You cant really compare the two. 4 seater sedan vs true sportscar.

@mlukubone7134 3 года назад

M2 Comp and save lots of money

@vladipp2850 3 года назад

excellent review

@ShamanWS6 3 года назад

This is easy. The M2 isn't a sports car. It's a sedan. It has seating for 4 and a chassis built for it. Whether or not it's fast isn't the issue.

@creatineenjoyer7345 3 года назад

Not comparable really. The Porsche is a pure sports car. The bimmer can carry 5 people and carry some nice luggage in the trunk and still goes very fast

@MadelnMachines 2 года назад

Is the Porsche less fun and exciting due to the high levels of grip and lack of oversteer?

@mrt.789 3 года назад

Hey Dan, your EVO colleagues gave the CS the title of “car of the year”. Since you were a evo writer too, why do you think there is such a gap between reviews ? For you and others the cs is not that special, for most of evo crew it’s one of the best driver car lately. I think too that if someone loves driving precision and balance the 718 has more edge..they highlited also that tyres temperature can be a big factor on the cs, turning it in a very unpleasant car if cold. What do you guys think? Thanks

@ryanb8736 2 года назад

GT4 all day!

@algt4521 Год назад

If someone could afford either or, not sure why anyone would even consider the m2cs.

@Khan0098assasin 3 года назад

Every guys say and choose gt4🤔I dont know gt4 this series ,always see only TV or instagram,always gt3rs and gt2rs🤔... i choose evry time mercedes or bmw😌but this porsche manual and this is amazing

@shaheenevans 3 года назад

Maybe cayman gts 4.0 pdk v m2 Cs pdk next team ?

@lordmaster5522 3 года назад

You mean this? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yl8e9ReWRJ8.html

@ApothecaryTerry 3 года назад

BMW: the ultimate driving machine. Also, their best driving machine is definitely worse than another car. I feel like that slogan needs updating to "the ultimate driving machine, as long as you can't have 2 seats, can't afford a 911 GT3, have massive hands, etc...". A CS should be much more extreme I think- take the rear seats out, slap a rollcage in there and dump 200kg of weight.

@mohamedmayet4522 3 года назад

Simple and to the point. Great review 😎

@julianadams2206 3 года назад

Great review. I just hate the Custard yellow colour of the GT4.

@easyrider7021 3 года назад

Its not mustard yellow.

@julianadams2206 3 года назад

@@easyrider7021 Whether it’s Mustard or Custard yellow or is an awesome Porsche and definitely one of my current favourites. 👍

@muhamadaiman8683 3 года назад

Gt4 way to expensive ! But i love it . Alrdy hve m4 for daily drive . And gonna consider a used gt4 for track, weeknd or car met . Idk is it worth it or not 😐

@papajimg9238 3 года назад

Excellent... Answers the only question worth mentioning

@cib2413 3 года назад

When are you getting to test drive a Yaris? Neither the Porsche or BMW is worth it anymore when you can buy a GR Yaris for less than half price and be quicker on a wet b road! Spend the money saved on loads of track days and mods!

@ApothecaryTerry 3 года назад

Porsche vs Yaris is a very different experience. Everyone who isn't a car person still knows what a Porsche is and is impressed (arguably more impressed than the cars deserve) whereas lots of people won't know what the Yaris is and it certainly won't draw the same kind of attention. I've "only" got a 981 Cayman S, admittedly in a flashy spec, but it's impossible to avoid attention. Also Porsches hold their value ridiculously well, which you have to consider when deciding if something is "worth" it, since the long term costs really aren't that high. That said, I am hugely excited by the Yaris, that thing looks like a load of fun and when Toyota get a car right they seem to absolutely nail it.

@global_nomad. 3 года назад

no..its not....great summary...so the 718 plus a used quadrifoglio for your carrying needs

@stephaneasselin3359 3 года назад

Now the same question should be ask for the Cayman? GTS 4.0 vs. GT4 worth it?

@ApothecaryTerry 3 года назад

Either vs a 981 GT4...

@lordmaster5522 3 года назад

Or simply vs. a used 991 GT3 for around the same price?

@Rossboe1 2 года назад

Can you turn the rev match off? Thats cheating, people who want manual want total control over the car, not computers helping you drive.

@adamkelsall3942 3 года назад

This is funny.......people arguing over which car is best and arguing with Dan Prosser's verdict despite them having never driven either car and probably never will. Keyboard Road Testers.

@highgate14 3 года назад

GT4 looks much more special but the M2 has the edge as you can actually buy one.

@lbarbato6425 2 года назад

Same price, try 100k more drive away in Aus for the gt4.

@user-wf2wi5wc2k 3 года назад

Can someone confirm if the Club Sport pack includes the roll cage? Asking for Porsche Centre Hull.

@adamkelsall3942 3 года назад

Yes it does

@williamwong6133 3 года назад

Don't forget to press the Auto ON/OFF button too.

@gusking3628 3 года назад

718 gt4 for £75k? Off your head if you think you’re getting one for that 🤣

@adrianarchie 3 года назад

both

@rxhawk75 3 года назад

LOL “it only has two seats”....yea it’s called a sports car.

@sixpotshot 3 года назад

You said it all

@stefanmolnar4345 3 года назад

M2 CS great sports car fo every day, Porsche GT4 is a bargain track car, and weekend fun. So no they are not in the same league :)

@peterhammer6915 3 года назад

M2CS every day for me, as a daily its miles better

@omegapsi847 3 года назад

I remember your review of the Giulia Quadrifoglio being one of the most, if not the most fun car to drive. How is it compared to the GT4? Would you rather take the Porsche or the Alfa when it comes to just pure fun? I know both cars cant be really compared to each other, but I am astonished about so many reviews claiming that the Giulia QV is one of the most fun driver cars - which to this point I thought was the Mid-Engine based GT4. What is your opinion Dan?