Porsche Panamera First Drive | Future of Suspension Tech 

Thank god i wasnt the only one who had to go fact check that lol. after he said 228 my jaw dropped like "what could be over 100k different from a 4 to a 4s" haha

It's Jack! You get to be my brother now since my brother Jack passed. Do you know if it is a tint, anti-glare coating, or something else that makes the windshield on this car and other luxury cars look purple?

@@wccrispy my condolences. Its due to a combo of factors. Our polarization on the lens we are shooting on, and the tint + uv coating on the cars glass

@@jackholmes8105 It's all good brother. He was a good man that went way sooner than he should have. Thanks for the clarification on the windshield. Did you notice when Zack said, "Thanks, Mark!" in the Vantage video? 🤣

@@wccrispy yeah, it was a joke from our old nismo z video

😂

He’s thinking this is his version of the titan submersible

He’s raising him right then

His long-winded color commentary reminded me of the color guy in the booth with Uecker during the movie Major League 🤣🤣🤣

That actually his son?

more like how smooth the roads are.

Yeah I estimate that the part cost for those shocks is probably 2k a corner.

This is why I opted for no PAR in my build.

@@chriselliott8567 Congrats on missing the entire point of the car

@@chriselliott8567Why even buy it at that point?

@@neofaktion if your desire to buy (or not buy) this car is solely based on PAR then I don’t think we’ll see eye-to-eye :) I personally prefer the more ‘grounded’ feel of the drive without such smooth buffering. PAR is an amazing engineering feat regardless (and I almost bought it for sheer parlor tricks) but it’s not my personal preference for drive style and therefore not worth the extra potential maintenance complication/cost

Don't forget Audi S7s... they seem to always sneak up on me when I have to cross country my Wife's Ford S-Max when on Urlaub...

I thought it pulled like a Golf GTI / R, the impressive part is not the accelaration but the NVH. You could still have normal conversations at 250km/h without raising your voice, that is nuts.

@@robertvandeveer1846 yeah, even a A6/A7 50TDI will probably keep up with this...

@@2failepic yeah any 280-300hp hot hatch will probably keep up with it.

There will always be someone faster. Getting tailgated shouldn't be your problem ;)

you Americans are so spoiled its unreal , not only do you have higher income per capita you also cry about marginally lower car prices than almost anywhere in the world.

Wagon was cancelled for North America to my knowledge sadly.

The next gen turbo gt is gonna go crazy

So the Cayenne's lead in the luxury SUV market will widen with this suspension. I'm not sure the Purosangue competes as an SUV, tbh. It's in another catagory.

You spelled Morning constipation wrong

My morning consisted of a flat tire with a 4-in nail in it. And this was after getting new tires and oil change the day before. It is plugged now. Happy Friday 😂

@@wccrispylol it can hopefully only get better from there…

@@alexsystems2001 It's all good broski. It's Friday. I've got the weekend to look forward to with my lady and I'm also leaving work early today. The universe can suck it. 🤣

Do that on company time

Thats probably ideal for Porsche. You want continuous customers and how better to than needing a lifeline to keep your car capable

Porsche isn't a Toyota

Durability doesnt sell

@@junyaiwase except for Toyota, the largest car company in the world. oops

Porsche has 15 years of warranty

Even on less busy highways, the older buyers are always just gliding in the middle lane doing 60mph.

Move to Florida and I promise you when doing 75 you’ll be the slowest on the road by far 😂

it depends pretty much on the exact Autobahn... many, frequently used by trucks parts, are rather miserable... Going tomorrow for ~600miles trip over Autobahn, less then 50% is that smooth

​@@d.k.7710there is no comparison. The worst part of the Autobahn is better than the best paved highways in the US

@@davidzebar6876 Which Autobahn? That word just means highway and not all of them are free of speed restrictions or are well maintained.

@@JollyGiant19 any of them. Yes you've got speed restrictions and construction zones but I've never seen the ridiculous pot holes we have here that you could bend a wheel on. Even the construction zones have payment as smooth as a baby's ass

@@davidzebar6876 your country is also half the size of california, settle down. its easy to keep your roads in good shape in a country where everyone takes the bus or the train.

I'd have it in a second. I can only imagine the ride quality. Besides, it's no more overkill than a V12 and people love big Lambos and Ferraris

what are you even talking about ? how can a remarkable suspension be overkill ? that's like complaining about having too much money what are you even on about there's no such thing as too much of a good thing

If you have the means to purchase one of these new, service costs are of little consequence. That said, I have to wonder what kind of financial and mechanical nightmare these will be in 5-10 years!

@@StevenLastname probably not dissimilar to air suspension. Lifespan of 60,000 miles and a 5 figure repair cost if you don't address leaks immediately.

I have a 2023 Panamera, when it’s time for a new one, I can’t wait for that suspension option

This technology is outsourced. It’s shared with China’s Nio EV. It’s supplied by a third party called ClearMotion. Mostly Chinese tech

Aint even an opinion porsche has always been a tier above bmw audi and merc

Yet still worse than Lexus

@@V8Brah when that guy no cares about gives an opinion 😂

​​@@user-my4xu4gf1z still kinda right though.

@@V8Brah in a porche/bmw/merc conversation lmao

People who have "hated" the first Panamera version from 2009 are just DUMB and having not fu...ing clue! The Panamera is a perfect 4 door Porsche. It just works and it looks like a daily usable four door/four seater Porsche. Some id...iots always expected the Panamera being kind of a "big 911", but have always forgotten that this isn't possible. Because four people must have enough interior space in such a vehicle.

Where do you get the $500-600/mo figure?

@@chriselliott8567 I myself have been doing preliminary research on these cars to make sure I'm in a great spot to buy one. I drive around 20k miles a year which is what I based it on, nothing wild for a commute and am not a believer in 10k mile service intervals along with my driving style. A standard oil service on this car is over $300 at my local dealer, they need a major service at 40k which is usually in the 2k ballpark if it's a V8 even more. The wheels are staggered so it will burn through back tires every year at the 20k-25k miles a year, and a full set the N spec Michelin AS are over $2k for a full set plus mount and balance and alignment here and there along with the uncharge if you have the drivers assist means an alignment is very close to a grand on it. So yeah for basic maintenance it's around there or more, not including the multi thousand dollar brakes between 40k-80k miles. In my experience dealer cost vary area to area also, German cars have become very expensive to not only buy but also maintain especially due to the expanding use of staggered wheels and weird tire sizes limiting tire options.

@@chriselliott8567 Out of his ass

Right that’s what I heard

100%

My maid’s brother in law’s son has 2 gt4’s he said he likes the gt3 more

Wide wide (echoes)

Engineering wise yes they are objectively way above

That title belongs to Toyota

@@chabweezy9905the title of we can’t build our own sports car, so we’ll have BMW do it? That Toyota?

@@ryanturnerboles the title of most successful car maker ever. That Toyota.

@@chabweezy9905 title of the most boring car maker.

I left PAR out of my build. Porsche’s PASM is good enough and likely more reliable since tech is more mature

Very "important".... Wow! Just go to the doctor, dude! The Panamera dashboard is simply a piece of art, it's pure and simple "straight".... and it's PERFECT!

Agreed, gray is the most boring color you can get

I think that grey paint trend will be very short lived. At least, I hope so.

🎶Gray is the loneliest color that I ever knew.🎶

Shaved!

Yes

@@savagegeese yesss! Love from a 2023 Elantra N 6mt owner! I was hesitating around EN and GRC circuit edition as my first manual car after driving 1 year of 6at gr86 (not fl5 because the markup makes it out of reach). And I soon make my decision after that 1hr comparison video. So far I believe I made a right choice. Really appreciate that🙌

So we have something to complain about, of course.

Well, the 2nd generation looks great as well. 1st was a complete shit though))

The 2023 panamera looked great. Idk what ur talking about.

This looks much uglier tbh

What the FUCK do you mean "its not ugly anymore"?!?!?! Its ugly NOW THIS LOOKS FUCKING ATROCIOUS COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS GENERATION

This car looks much worse than the previous gen

You are high if you think your Subaru is reliable.

@@LARSENBISQUITS Yep... Owned 3 so far, not a single major issue. And if i did have a major issue... it probably would cost what a 12 month service costs on this thing. I am not saying its not an amazing technology demonstrator... but this Porsche is for 3 year "business" leases... not long term ownership. And Panamaras depreciate like a stone.

Rich

July I think

I think God would be serving you up a nice helping of just desserts, imo. First generation new tech from the German's, what could possibly go wrong?

While Germany has nice places to visit, if it's about hammering a car and speeding, going on a track day is less costly and more safe. Do both if you can!

@@_Makanko_ True, but for me it's as much about the (to us Americans) mythical locations as the driving experiences themselves. Call it a "ticking-off the bucket list"' kinda thing. But track days are definitely something I want to do as well.

Then option the carbon fiber trim brokey

@@user-my4xu4gf1z 🤣🤣🤣

​@@user-my4xu4gf1z doesn't get rid of the awful sea of piano black on the center console, unfortunately. Would be nice if they gave you that choice - maybe through the "Special Wishes" program??

@@aprtur oh no piana black on my center console.. what am I going to do 😢

@@user-my4xu4gf1z it's not that big of a deal, but it is annoying at the price point. I have something similar in my Lexus right now, and you always feel like you're going to scratch it, even just wiping dust off of it. Porsche has some great material options - they could do better here.

Because it's designed to use the hybrid battery pack.

@@RahulShah87 Most active hydraulic suspensions don't require a heavy battery pack. Therefore they can utilize bigger engines.

mercedes never had a hydraulic+air suspension. It now is the first german brand to rank worse than land rover according to several reliability rankings. mercedes owners dont need luck, they have more money than sense

The same can’t be said for Mercedes in terms of repair costs? Pathetic fanboy lol

@@Spartan168 I didn't say Mercedes was any better. The point is that hydraulic suspension is amazing but will be costly to maintain once the warranty ends. Nothing in my comment is in support of any brand. Try projecting your fragile masculinity a little less

Get over yourself.. Not knowing why doesn’t justify the tone. One guess - could be operating the drones or outside camera work while Jack’s driving. Or vice versa

This reads like a bot comment

@@ADUSN lol

@@ADUSN it's true what do you want me to say?

@@ADUSNyou go through life as a bot

​@@computercracksomething more interesting and original.

The “buyers” of this car only care whether it will work during the duration of their lease.

It's a Porsche, even old 911 are expensive.

@@ghoulbuster1 I don’t disagree. But old 911s can be worked on by ANYONE with basic tools so that makes them very economical and able to run forever as opposed to this turd that probably won’t be around 15 years from now. I just did a 15,000 mile service on my ‘87 911. Took an afternoon. There are many aftermarket parts as good as or better than the Porsche-branded ones. Example: a new set of Porsche-branded ignition wires for my 3.2 engine is $1,100 on Pelican Parts (utterly ridiculous). A set of Clewett ignition wires was $235 and they’re better quality. If you took your air cooled 911 to the dealer for this service, with parts I have to assume it would have been over $3000. I did the whole service for under $600 - the largest expense is the 11 liters of oil and 4 liters of gearbox oil.

Anywhere you don’t see a state trooper in the USA is effectively the American autobahn. Germany has speed cameras.

@@reneed.1648 LMAO

My understanding is that in Germany to get a driver's license costs about $3,000 (in 2019 dollars) and 6 months of serious and demanding driver training (similar to race track driving schools here, learning how to handle high speed maneuvers at the limit). Do you think that would ever happen in the U.S? Here we want any idiot, with not a lot of money, to be able to buy and drive a car. That's why no autobahn here. Would you want idiots, with no training, driving at 150 mph on our freeways? ... I know I don't.

@@gregbischoff2668 That is the most logical explanation bout this.

There are also regularly scheduled stringent vehicle inspections in Germany that a very high percentage of vehicles on U.S. roads couldn't come close to passing. And most vehicles on U.S. roads weren't designed to meet tougher EC safety standards. As it is, the traffic fatality rate per mile/km travelled is within a hair of being twice as high in the U.S. as it is in Germany.