Jesus Ian, when you said it comes with 'a bunch of stuff' you weren't kidding! If you buy this gun, you also get: >Complete repair kit >Anti-air tripod >Four spare barrels >Two spare bolts >Flash hider >Magazine loader, which you will need to load the >FORTY EIGHT magazines, which you can carry in the >Three ammo cans and >Six magazine pouches >And a sling to top it all off This isn't a machine gun, it's a complete machine gunner's kit. If you get the chance, it would be awesome to see a video of all the extra bits.
@@samiam619 I was going to go look it up, but I can't find the listing on Rock Island's website anymore. Maybe it got pulled? Wikipedia says that's the right caliber, though.
Just a bit of information regarding this weapon in Portugal. After Germany created the MG-34, they no longer had the need for the MG-13. By the end of the 1930s, Portugal bought most of the MG-13, becoming it's main user. In Portugal it had the designation of "Metralhadora Dreyse m/938". Metralhadora = Machine-gun. This weapon became the official light machine-gun por Portugal's Infantry Army, up until the 1960 and was used during the Portuguese Colonial War. After that, it was replaced by the MG-42, and later on, by the HK-21. This gun did use 25 round magazines, but it could also use a double drum magazine, with 75 rounds. The weapon also had a standard carry strap for transportation.
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I worked with a man who was in the Portuguese Navy, he was a submarine crew member and they had a pet monkey on board during missions.
Theres old Polish joke from commie times First secretary of communist party visits sewing machine factory and asks one of the workers what she'd want to get for her efficient work: -id like sewing machine. -you work at sewing machine factory you could have stolen parts and build one. -i did and now i have three AKs at home but still no sewing machine!
I was about to make the same joke. But with more bad German accent! Well played sir! In my version it was a nail gun. We're pretty much all on the same page though.
Like with wife: U have new dress? nooo it is old, was lying in the closet werry long time. WIth germany: U have new MG? nooo it is old, was lying in boxes all time...
it is, And a good showing of how the needs of war sometimes push out the more refined building methods. there was plenty of time for machining and then the drums of war sound and now you need 1,000,000+ guns so fire up the stamping mills.
I inspected several hundred MG13's in Portugal back around 1982-3 for a surplus arms dealer I worked for back then. Many were like new in the transit boxes literally 'drowned' in cosmoline! I ruined all the clothes I was wearing going through them and used boiling water to completely clean one or two for photographs.... most went as surplus to the USA as parts kits. A year later I did the same trip and we bought hundreds of Portugese contract MG34's.... that was on a Portugese Air Force base and in a storage hanger guarded by a soldier armed with an AR10.... wish camcorders were around back then! The company was A J Budge!
No luck searching the interweb for an firearms importer A J Budge. I would think this company is long out of business. Could you provide more information about this company? What did they import, quantity of items etc. Just curious. Thanks
Are you sure it wasn't A F Budge based in Retford, Nottinghamshire, UK? The owner had a vast collection of military vehicles and even had a Scud missile launcher.
@@dr_dr Hi David, yes you are correct. It was 33 years ago and time dulls the brain😁 Tony Budge had bought out my good friends business (Pat Walker Guns) to get into the surplus smallarms business. A guy called Bob Fleming got Tony into surplus vehicles and AFV's. Sadly the collection was sold off in or around 1996 when Barclays Bank forced the company into receivership... sadly Tony passed away in 2010 well after the business closed. I was in Retford in 2017 at Pat Walkers funeral, the old Budge site (Rope Works) is just opposite the railway station but alas not full of tanks as it was back in the day☹
Drop the bass while kicking ass. Which to be fair I would not be surprised if there is an iDevice mount for guns today given all the other "tacticool" stuff sold. But yes I heard ipod too.
i think someone at the first presentation of that gun and its barrel change mechanism pinched his fingers so bad that this lever came as a afterward change :D *insert wild german curses here*
Versailles Official: “You know what this is.” German Armorer: “I know what this is. This is an expresso machine. No, no, no it’s a snow cone maker, that’s what it is.” Versailles Official angrily moves closer German Armorer: “Is it a water heater?”
Having just learned in the Q&A video about how out of sequence videos videos are uploaded, if he ever, in a moment of insanity decides to change his facial hair or hair cut, the continuity is going to be an absolute nightmare. Also great video 👍
hello firstable i apologie my English thank you for yours videos specially this one. i am portugues and i live in france. i am listen at the NRA in usa.. and i love guns. yours videos are very cool. thank you
As so often with Ian McCollum this manages to be genuinely rigorous, balanced, well paced and entertaining as well. Thank you Ian, and congratulations on continuing the consistently high standard, we do appreciate it.
If you ever run across a Solothurn S-100 in your travels please present it as well! It seems to be similar to the MG-13 but with a roller locking bolt. Great presentation, as usual!
I'm Portuguese so its very nice to see you do a clip about a Portuguese weapon, there aren't many of them... I would refer you to Arquivo Nacional Torre do Tombo for more information on that thing, if there is any i bet you can find it there.
Actually the designation might have been a PR thing to keep the Versailles supervision comittees out of the loop, but this weapon was indeed based on 1910s water cooled machinegun designs. At least the action is very similar to that of some Schmeisser designs dating of that time. To which point the MG13 was actually one of those weapons, just changed from water cooled to air cooled, or received further design work or refinement, it's as Ian stated, quite hazy...but for once the Germans didn't **totally** cheat the Versailles treaty with this weapon. They just...let's say...bend the rules XD
Here I am minding my own business and enjoying my favorite gun channel and out of the blue I get additional infos from the man RAMJB himself :) (Long ago I enjoyed your WT videos and forum posts).
@@Guhonter Heheh heya ;). As you can see this is my favorite gun channel aswell (hmmm ok, it's rather a tie with C&Arsenal)...what am I going to do, I enjoy excellent historical information too! :D
"Caralho" eh o mastro no qual ficavam os marinheiros vigilantes dos perigos no mar, p isso a expressao:vou te mandar à casa do caralho em bom e velho portugues lusofono.
@@ricardosousa7150 o sufixo 'Eiro'' como em :"macumbeiro, maconheiro, Cachaceiro, cangaceiro " e por ai vai varias palavras Como criolou e rapariga dos lusos TB sao tidas Como ofensivas.
My Grandpa used this gun during his service in Angola. He served from 69-71. He did basic training with the Mauser but this was his main gun as he was a Radio operator.
Simson? That's very very interesting! My mokick/moped is made by them i didn't know they got an exception to build guns back in 1918/1919 But they went into Cars/Motorcycles during WWII according to wikipedia.
The terms of the Treaty of Versailles created monopolies on war materiel production. Spandau arsenal was demilitarized. Simson got the rights to make small arms. Dynamit-Nobel at Werk Reinsdorf got the rights to make explosives and propellants, SKD (Selve-Kronbiegel-Dornheim A.-G.) got the rights to make primers, and Polte got the rights to make bullets and cartridge cases. The Weimar government used contractor codes to cover up how much material they were actually making. The "P-codes" were supposed to be contract numbers for Polte ammunition and the "Rdf. codes" were supposed to be contracts for propellants for Werk Reinsdorf. The later letter codes were an attempt to hide the locations of their foreign suppliers like Sweden and Austria. Hitler's anti-communist government just expanded the Weimar government's covert rearmament programs.
About 200 of these were used in Spain as squad LMGs and mounted on tripods, plus the ones used in Panzer Is, each having a pair of MG-13s. In Spain they are frequently referred to as "Dreyse" machine guns.
Wow, even in today's modern firearms the mechanisms to fire said weapon are so simple, I always thought it was much more complicated inside but it's not the gun itself that makes those rounds effective, that's due to the primer and powder in the round itself, this channel is so neat!
If it is indeed the same gun you're referring to, C&Rsenal has a great episode on the Vergueiro. Their episodes are much less frequent but much more in-depth than Forgotten Weapons.
The "disconnector" in German parlance was called the auto sear, and only functions in full auto fire(kinda functions as an in battery check, but the weapon will function properly semi auto without the auto sear installed). The primary sear (central behind the hammer) catches the hammer in semi auto fire, but is too far rearward with the FA pull of the progressive trigger, leaving the auto sear to drop the hammer when in battery. Additionally, the portugese contract mg13's have a viewport on the left side of the reciever just forward of the mag well for checking uf the weapon is in battery. Handy feature that the German mg13's did not have.
I think that little block that comes down from the lever on the left side of the receiver is to provide a leverage point to separate the upper and lower receivers. It also provides a good stand to hold it open as a secondary function. Great video!!!
Portuguese guy here... Very interesting channel for weapons history and a little bit of war history as well, instead of just shooting weapons and destroy stuff like others channels do...
Ian, please correct the title. It's spelled "Metralhadora". Thank you for your videos. I'm not into guns, but I love design an engeneering, so I enjoy watching.
Hello. I am Portuguese and i live in Portugal. Metralhadora Ligeira is The correct name. S is Segurança, F is Fogo, A is Automático. Great video, by the way. Huge follower of The channel and Gun entusiast myself.
I have one of those mags in the attic!!!!!!!!!! it was one of my grandpa's old mags I didnt even know where the hell did that come from. given that I live in spain this is totally plausible!!
It probably would only slightly but id imagine its there if you get over powered or under powered ammunition so you would change it if it had underpowered ammunition an its make it easier for the bolt to travel back.
Ian, the RIA page shows it as a pre86 registration but still FFL dealer sample only. Either their page or the video info could use correcting. Great video really neat piece of hardware
When Ian lifted the upper receiver and at 7:53 said "we get a look at a really interesting feature here", I so wanted him to refer to those markings and say "a third set of sights"
According to the 11th revised edition of Small Arms of the World the MG13 was created by converting the Dreyse Model 1918 water-cooled .light machine gun. Work was indeed done by Simson and it was adopted in 1932 in small numbers. A stock of guns was sold to Portugal in 1938 according to SAOTW. Other sources also note some were sold to Spain. According to Wikpedia the gun was used in the PzKpfw I tank. Post-war (seriously) captured examples were modernized and used by the Norwegian police; this assumes it was in use in Norway during WWII. According to Wikpedia in 1907 Louis Schmeisser of Erfurt patented a machinegun named in honor of the inventor of the needle gun by the heads of the factory where it was made which was founded by Dreyse. The Dreyse machinegun was a heavy, usually tripod mounted, belt-fed and water cooled machinegun. The 1907 model was succeeded by the 1912 and later 1918 models. www.bevfitchett.us/machine-gun-v1-repeating-weapons/bergmann-dreyse-nd-mg-machine-guns.html www.bevfitchett.us/machine-gun-v1-repeating-weapons/info-adp.html
This gun, in addition to MANY others of the period, delighted the manufacturers of springs. It (and all the others) must have 30+ freaking springs (all set to go "poing" across the room).
Simson. When I was a kid their mopeds were really popular in my country. Every kid wanted one, mainly because you could easily tweak the carburator to make it go 80 km/h. I had no idea theybeven made guns.
MGs provided with a second barrel designed to drive concrete spikes. Manufacturer recommends attaching this barrel and secondary instructions during shipment and shipping live fire barrels as XXXL tent stakes...
This was the standard machine gun in the Panzer 1 Ausf A. - Germany's first serving interwar tank [notice serving - there were experimental interwar types also]. Panzer 1 were used in both sides of the Spanish Civil War [issued vs captured], so it makes perfect sense that MG-13 were produced for export to Spain among other countries. So, the MG-13 actually had quite a long service life - from at least 1931 to 1941, as it was used extensively in North Africa.
please note according to RIA description: "LIMITED TO USE AS A SALES SAMPLE (Pre-86) and as such can only be purchased by an FFL, with a Class 2 or Class 3 SOT License."
Safety lever + a 2 setting trigger is a configuration that's prettymuch the counterpart to grip safety + auto/semi selector. I actually prefer the latter, but the former is quite interesting. EDIT: Can't find any examples of the latter. Thought the OG Uzi did that, but it actually has SF/SA/FA + a grip safety.
Thanks for not doing a flashlight review Ian. I lost count on how many vid uploads I got through deleting that were flashlight reviews. The companies must be pushing them out to reviewers as a marketing ploy.
I think I've said it before on these videos but I'll say it again. Fan-freaking-tastic!. We'd otherwise almost never have the opportunity to see these guns let alone see them taken apart.
This gun chambered in 8x56R and with a wooden stock was the primary infantry light machinegun of Hungary during WWII under the designation Solothurn 31M Golyószóró (means LMG, translates literally to bullethose i suppose that is an interesting bit of linguistics)
Rheinmetall-Borsig's Louis Stange, who designed the FG42 looked at an MG13 for inspiration. The front sight post is the same. The side magazine well has a similar bolt hold open, similar magazine catch and sort-of similar dust cover. But the FG42 magazine was not close to the MG13, because the ZB24's is used by one of the modern reproduction companies. There are very few new ideas in gun design, only variations and combinations.
Definitely a peace-time gun -beautifully made, milled construction, with lots of beautifully made detail features -stock folding mechanism / pin, hold open etc. I'm intrigued as to why manufacturers were making closed bolt designs in this era though (Browning etc.) -were they looking for first-shot accuracy? -because surely they must have known that it would aggravate cooling issues and risk cook-offs? Or is this a hang-over from water cooled designs? -i'm going to have to re-watch some videos...
@Ian (if you ever read this): I can send you two articles from an old german firearms magazine, one which features a letter from 1925 written by a Dr.Wesemann to a General Wurtzbacher about the "light machine gun issue" of WW1. The name MG13 is not a distraction. The MG13 is a derivative of the WW1-"Dreyse" MG13 by Louis Schmeisser (also known as Bergmann MG15), redesigned by Louis Stange. The Bergmann MG15 nA also was not rejected because of reliablility issues (at least not in the "neue Art"-configuration), but because of conservative thinking.
I have a weird affinity for interwar German stuff; pretty much starting from the double dated 1920 weapons which the Germans chose to keep after the first war stretching up to the late 30's when they were making their nicest work. I specifically love the SS Battalions outfits and equipment, which had an assortment of out of date but high quality guns like the MP28, MP34, Erma EMP, ZK-383, ZB-26 and 30's, MG-13's, MG-15's, MG-30's, old Lugers, C96's, Berretta 38's and Suomi KP31's etc. Pair that with their really nice leather courtesy of Hugo Boss, BMW motorcycles and with the SS branded helmets+goggles... mwah, perfection. Basically the Gucci version of the German army before everything went to ****.
I love these interwar LMGs for all the little fiddly bits they worked in. Especially the Germans, and Suisse. They really had no idea how to just make a Simple machinegun. So, they machined the hell out of them.
That is pretty cool actually and for once, someone thought about the guys who have to clean the thing, work with the thing. Some of your other vids..... not so much. At the same time, I'm wondering if part of the design was to let the magazine capacity control the rate of fire. So you didn't need to replace the barrel, because the effective rate of fire was so slow the barrel wear wasn't so bad. You actually could get it back to camp, the armoury and get the barrel replaced. Though, AA mount? I reckon those double drums found double usage.
