POTENCY VS TENACITY Explained star wars galaxy of heroes swgoh 

lol all you guys that still don't comprehend: three seperate doors to represent three different checks. There is no addition or subtraction of probabilities between doors.

Its a good video but u should mention/explain the most important thing about potency vs tenacity - Rancor raid (and the numbers for tenacity up/down. )

Well done, finally a solid explanation from someone after 2 years, great video, I am sick to death of people leaving comments every where saying that potency, and ESPECIALLY tenacity mods are absolutely useless and a waste of time.

Watch at 1.5x speed. 16m spent on something a picture could have illustrated. Edit - tl;dw: There are three requirements for a debuff to be successful. All three have to be fulfilled in this sequence: 1. The toon has some chance of applying the debuff (see ability description). If this chance is not 100% then there is some RNG at play. 2. The next chance is 100% + toon potency% - enemy tenacity%. This is usually a gimme in PVP except for CLS, GAT, and Wampa. Some enemy bosses have really high tenacity. 3. There is a 15% chance of failure. RNG determines this and some debuff abilities circumvent it. From the video, 15% seems to be hardcoded. It was unclear to me from the video how this interacts with a toon's resistance or evasion chance.

Nice vid man, i would like to see an explanation about defense vs offense and how that translate into damage. For example, is it better to mod a tank with a defense set, so he receives less damage, or health set, so he can survive more damage? What's the formula?

Great video Warrior! Explain a lot and it's almost TMI at the same time :)

Thanks for the video. I recall an earlier datamine that also said that level differential was a factor. This doesn't affect most folks, but there are times it might when leveling as well as when you have decided not to max a toon to 85 if conserving credits.

My misconception was that if an ability had a 70% chance, potency mods improved those odds. I had thought that the formula was Ability's Chance % + Character's Potency (including mods) - Opponent's Tenacity. So if the ability was 70% and the character had 100% potency add (natural plus mods), I would have thought the ability was now at 140% (not 170% as 100% of 70% is still 70%, so it would be 70%*2), then it would subtract the opponents tenacity, which if that was at 50%, would put my overall potency rat back to 70% (knocking 50% off of 140% means 70% chance to hit). Hearing that there are three doors and the ability's 70% chance is not to actually land, but merely to get past the first check, and that percentage never changes is depressing. They way they advertise it is misleading IMO. It reminds me of how "rate up" in the Fate/Grand Order game is done. FGO will advertise that the rate is up to get a certain 5* Servant when you use crystals to summon. In reality, the 5* summon percentage stays at 1%, but if you get that 1%, then a second check is done on which Servant you'll get, where the "rate up" Servants have a high percent chance of showing up. Thanks for clearing everything up.

Thank you so much .last week I jus play this game

You should've added the tenacy up/down buff pair, to let us know how much difference that make effectivly in the gameplay. As i see, rex's tenacy up make you resist basicaly everything...but would be good to know the facts.

Took a couple of views to fully sink in. Still blown away by the disparity between the two stats. Thanks though, it makes perfect sense. Now. :-)

What about kanan when he taunts? He gians 100% tenacity

Thanks for the video, Warrior! I appreciate when you do in-depth guides like this. Also, I found something pretty interesting I want to show you on the SWGOH Reddit. A topic by the name of All Characters (Including Unreleased) started by the user FamousVQ. It shows you all the characters currently in the game and those that have been datamined in an Excel document. Something else to note is that this list includes PVE characters who according to a response by DEV Event Designer Capgasp "are rather unlikely to ever be released as player obtainable units" like the Cartel units. Just something that I thought you would like to see.

Thank you, that was a great explaination. There was only one thing I was left confused on, which was a door 2 mechanic. I felt like you were saying you needed 140% tenacity to stop 140% potency. While technically true that it requires at least that much to guarantee a stop, any tenacity from 41-139% tenacity is still useful as it offers a chance to resist. The only reason I pointed out my confusion was so anyone else in the same boat could get clarification by reading this. Again, great video and thank you.

oh thanks a lot! I wondred how should i mod my Rex - better with speed or tenacity up. Now I understand - my way is speed to apply tenacity up buff that makes 99999 tenacity as much faster is better that trying to evade negative effects and then trying cleans them and make all buddies with tenacity.

I enjoyed the way you broke it down into a step by step basis and feel your videos have good information to provide to community. I would be very interested in a video of how damage is evaluated/calculated👍🏻

Love this video. Very helpful! Appreciate all the hard work Warrior.

Warrior, I've been thinking, and it would seem that if Potency was not a base 100%, it would mostly never apply. So, that might have been the idea behind the mechanics implemented. I do think that you could still clarify a couple of concepts, specially by putting names under the three doors, like: Chance, Resist and Evade. This is specially important, because, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Evasion is a thing with some leaders, like zMaul and Old Ben. And then you have the infamous Accuracy arrow, which would apply to that third door, right? Because you put that 15%-RNG, but you didn't explained that component very much. Another point that I think would be important to make, is that the Resist door takes into consideration the attacker and defender "level difference". If you have a lvl 75 against a lvl 85, you are not going to pass that door much. As you get to lvl 85, everything is as you said. But it is important to understand this for people leveling up toons.

This would explain why my Jyn with like 500%+ with a tenacity down Rancor gets resisted so much!

He put a high potency ad on this

Nicely stated. Basically, we can use tenacity on certain toons effectively in Raids and light side/dark side battles but tenacity mods are mostly a waste in arena. I guess one could load Thrawn up with tenacity mods, but when you look at other factors like speed, potency, crit chance/damage, you have to contemplate what you lose just to gain that amount of tenacity.

Great informative video Warrior! Just one question, where do abilities that apply "Tenacity up" like Rex and Chirrut apply into this equation?

Great explanation of Potency vs. Tenacity, thanks for getting those fine details from the devs to thoroughly explain this for everyone.

Hi, Warrior! Next time you speak with the devs ask them about that tenacity up buff. When chars have 20% tenacity and Rex or Chirrut puts the tenacity up buff on them so how much tenacity will they have? I never get through this buff. I mean no one of my characters could apply any debuffs to the character with tenacity up buff from Rex or Chirrut. I tried to make as much potency as possible and sometimes it was was more then 100% (200% totally if those 100% basic which you are speaking in you video are thrue) and could not apply any debuffs or turn meter reducing to those with tenacity up buff. Looks like a bug.

Nice description with the doors! good video :)

MISTAKE from a great video. Door three should be defined as D2 as D3 usurps D2 rules. Other wise spot on sir.

Warrior Presents Hey man, great video! So to cut to the chase just for the lame minded like myself haha basically the more potency you put on your character from mods the higher chance there is to land the debuff? Thanks for replying, if you do :)

Thanks for the explanation! I had no idea about the +100% potency modifier in "door #2". Just lost respect for leadership abilities with potency or tenacity...its just rarely makes the difference in PvP

Another great video. Thanks! Does the three door mechanics apply to Target Lock during ship battles?

nice vid Warrior. thanks for the explanation.

On AhnaldT101 latest video "Imperial Probe Droid is Emperor Palpatine's Secret Weapon for Arena | Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes" at 12:03 you notice Darth Vader not landing an ability block on GK, even with the non evade/resist text on his basic. I have also experienced this, and I'm wondering... is this a bug or a misconception of the text interpretation?

Great video man! love the breakdown for all to understand. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the video - great explanation. Going to rip out Rex's tenacity mods now. When you talk about Thrawn, I think it should be mentioned that the +100% tenacity from Ebb and Flow only applies while an enemy is fractured. So a lot of the time tenacity mods on him will be useless, right?

Good video but I am 99% sure you have the 15% base resist wrong. Devs have said this is the minimum resist chance, your video implies it is added after the tenacity check. Also tenacity-potency is the same as 100+potency-tenacity with fewer elements :)

have you gotten any insight from the devs on how the tenacity up and down buffs differ from strait tenacity and potency ratings. because it seems that tenacity up stops any and all debuffs from landing while Potency up does not cause any and all debuffs to land.

I wish you would go over examples a little more. Like the 80% you spoke of, which is the first door, then what percentage would it be affective (doesn't have to be precise) if someone had 50% potency from mods, excluding door #3? Or Idk, a similar example. Thank you though for the explanation!

Great video!! Can you ask the developers how much tenacity the HAAT tank has? Also how does dodge/deflection chance play into this? Is that an extra door you have to go through?

@Warrior Presents Does potency/tenacity applies for the Turn Meter reduction ? I've read some things on forums saying so, but not sure this is true...

Thanks for explaining door number 3

Thanks for this great explanation. I was completely wrong on how this worked. Keep this great videos coming.

Nice breakdown.

good explanation, thanks a lot Warrior

I think there's something missing when you're talking about door 2. Yes, the ability starts at 100% potency. But if you have an ability at 177% potency, like Captain Han in your example, you don't need 177% tenacity to stop them from getting through door 2. So long as you can get the potency - tenacity < 100%, then they have a chance of not getting through door 2. So, someone with 100% tenacity will stop you 23% of the time at door 2. If they actually got 177% tenacity, that would mean they will resist the effect 100% of the time, but you don't need a 100% resist chance for tenacity to be valuable. Therefore, tenacity and potency are very much relevant in PvP.

Oh thank God someone has explained Potency and Tenacity, I've been playing this game for over a year now and am even constantly in the top 20 in ship battles while even holding the number 1 spot 3 times but yet i still haven't god a bloody clue as to the benefits of Potency and Tenacity, the game just doesn't explain it properly!!

Good video warrior

since I have my 100 or 106 potency on darth Vader is having tenacity mods good on him. Since I have mods of my stats at good numbers ? If u like I can explain why I’m asking about tenacity for him

This helps a lot. So does that mean Zader leadership tm removal chance and Jyn's leadership expose chance essentially bypass the first two doors and get checked at the third door OR are those just flat chance % left to the RNG gods that completely ignore the three doors?

Was looking for info on cls and while you mention him you don’t explain it When he has +100% tenacity does that mean if he has 50% base that it’s doubled to 100%? If so is that 100% from the attacking toons potency eg attacker has 140% potency - 100% there is 40% chance or is it 100% tenacity nothing lands?

I have to ask again. If potency all ways starts at 100. Doesn't that mean, that a debuff like old Ben's min tricks allways applies, except for the 15% chance of hardwired block? So let's say old ben has 1 potency and the opponent hast 99 tenacity. Would that mean 100+1-99 = 2 . So the debuff would go through door 2?

So after watching this i have some insight on this. Death trooper sits at 70% potency. Now i can raise it to 95% but i lose 6% offense. I think that straight 6% damage is worth more than me have 95% potency with the 15% chance they can resist or dodge mo matter my potency

What about the bonus tenacity for the level gap is that in door 2 or does it add directly to resist in door 3?

does this play into dispell as well? ie - is there ever a chance that NS zombie can resist/evade a dispell to retain her taunt ..or that a dispell from the other team can fail at door 3?

my head is spinning

Been waiting for that!!!!

Epic video!!! god like. Will you do a video with the value difference of getting defense/offence as a percentage and defense as a number on a mod. Example two gold mods drop both are identical except one has defense as a percent the other as a number. After upgrade both improve there defense 4 times. Toon A equp. one with a starting defense of 0% and then the other and you see that the one with the percentage on average is X weak then the one that started with a non percent. Also the differance in expected value between hp/protection as a percent and as a number starting on a mod.

@warrior does that mean you don't suggest using tenacity in secondaries of mods cause on my baze most mods I have on have 5% or higher tenacity secondaries

I'm using Zinn lead resistance team with bb8 in Haat phase 2. All my characters have 50% plus potency, a thing I don't understand is that when bb8 puts tenacity down on the fallen tank the exposes hits significantly less. Few of my alliance members noticed the same, am I missing something?

Thanks for this!

I have two questions warrior: 1- I heard once that the level difference between the characters changes the equation, like the rancor who’s lvl 90 or for the non 85 pvp. Is this true? 2 - The tenacity down debuff seems to apply always with my KRU. And it doesn’t say that it can’t be resisted. It even applies on enemies with that tenacity up buff from Rex and chirrut. Is the tenacity down buff an exception?

Great video! What about the Nihilus ability drain force? It doesn't seen to have doors number 2 and 3, but there's no text about it.

So, a question that has been bugging me for ages, Dooku under a Nihilus lead...better with potency or tenacity? Current lvls are 94% potency (19.05 from mods) and 31% tenacity (2.5 from mods)

Was wondering if you're planning on doing a video of how you would change your modding strategy now that you have this information. For example I stack a ton of potency on my resistance team Right now, but am noticing not much of a difference in being able to apply expose than before in pve, basically I used to be in the 40s and now in the 70s potency on everyone. For example even with over 70 percent potency on the big three, they were almost unable too land debuffs on mobs in the Ground War event.

Do you think tenacity could have a place if a Grand Master Yoda Meta ever develops. I can dream right ...

If I got it right potency means for a debuff to work, and tenacity means to be able to stop it?

great explanation!

Here is a 5 second explanation: tenacity is for resisting debuffs and potency is for the debuff to occur

How much tenacity does tenacity up provide so that everything resists? Eleventy billion???

due to this video should i change the fact that on most characters that apply more debufs I put potency and on tanks/other characters I put tenacity? what if they only really apply one debuf like ability block like snowtrooper? Should i mod for potency then?

I think I got it. For example my K-2S0 has 40 potency and 75 tenacity after mods. If I tried to apply its daze to itself there would be 65% chance it gets through door 2(140-75) and a 50% chance it gets through door 3. So 32.5% of the time it would apply?

Great stuff man

So if characters like Tarkin have an ability which has a 100% chance of happening, what is the point in missing for Potency?

So thrawn or any empire will always be affected by the debuffs of disabling shot?

Hey Warrior. Good video. I would have just gone all the way with a few examples and done the math, multiplying out the three doors. E.g. 70% ability x 90%net pot x 85% = 54% chance to apply debuff... etc. But good job.

What does that 3+ mean next to the characters? My son doesn't know.... Thx

I think this explanation makes things much more difficult than it really is. The chance to resist is simply Tenacity - Potency, with a minimum of 15%. So, if you have 50% potency, the enemy has 50% tenacity, you have a 15% chance to be resisted (and thereby, an 85% chance to land your debuff).

Some abilities cannot be resisted, some abilities cannot be evaded, and some are both. What difference is between resisting and evading then? How are they computed?

Does potency up overwrite tenacity up and if it does, by a percent?

How does DN work ? When he increases cool downs, is that a debuff ?

thanks for confirming what we knew all along. in PvP tenacity is hot trash

Great stuff bro! Explain a lot of confusion

Hi warrior or anyone else in the comments...does ship potency tenacity work the same way?

What about Bastila 150 percent tenacity zeta how does her ability effect tanks with additional tenacity.

On the second is there zero % rng?..... Ie is it simply whoever has the higher number that passes?

If the developers know tenacity is crap, why give Rolo tenacity up on her leadership?

Omg how complicated someone could explain such a simple thing! I think the most people just want to know if it make sense to stack potency for Arena and the answer is no! A simple example: Chirrut has 50% tenacity, so how much potency does my old ben for example need to get the highest chance in pvp to apply a debuff on Chirrut? The answer is 35% potency! So its so simple, just check the tenacity of your enemy and subtract 15% and you have the potency value for the max chance to apply a debuff :)

I've always said time and time again this dude is the only source for useful honest information..Now if you could only explain how turn meter works 😅😅

I like the video but I still dont understand what potency and tenacity is

i wish I would have known this before I bothered to give my GK 90% tenacity >

So what does potency do? Also what does tenacity do? How do they relate to eacother? I watched this video three times but at no point do you talk about what tenacity/potency are or do? I think I can infer that you need tenacity to overcome the target's potency? Maybe? This video is all over the place and doesn't really answer the question.

How much tenacity do the heroic raids have?

Wow this is kind of bad game design. At high level PvP the gap in tenacity and potency is so big the entire mechanic doesn't even matter. All the mods, tenacity down, potency up buffs just get chucked out the window and all that matters is 15% rng dice roll...

How do I get back to my old guild, any ideas... Please...

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Guys what does tenacity and potency actually do

Is ther not a 15% Hardwired sucess to?

The more I listen here.... the more confused I am becoming.

so can someone explain foresight to me

120%x potency -23% Tenacity+2vader& one banana##/**skywalker^$@₩÷12,563 = Chuck Norris

well this is the video that will get 100k views

To many adds in your video tone it down plz