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I wanted to test potential for some time, but it took me a long time to get the brain cells going to come up with a way to tease the info on potential stars out of Football Manager. I am fully aware I get dumped on for not controlling variables so I’ve set out to do that when talking about potential because few things are more important in FM. I mean, what if your wonderkid is not a wonderkid at all? That’s a disaster story that has already befallen me in FM21.
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@Mazzus21 3 года назад

This completely changes my perspective on Youth Intakes. Maybe those "meh, he's gonna be trash or riding the bench forever" 16/17 year olds aren't as bad as we thought and my very good scouting department/Youth Development team doesn't deserve to get fired after all.

@shmet 3 года назад

It's quite realistic. Think of all the failed wonderchilds at 17 or 18 y/o, who play at a mediocre lever 5 years later. Of course you can only have an accurate potential as older the player is

@nikolausryczek 3 года назад

It could also be that the scout wouldn’t want to put their life on them being a world class player since they are so young

@fabio-themisinformed3595 3 года назад

Mastour from AC Milan lmao

@Eibarwoman 3 года назад

Some turn out to be Iker Muniain where injury prevents the Messi like ceiling but still turns out to be a very serviceable player in La Liga at Athletic Club. He isn't world class, but one of the youngest players to ever have 400+ appearances at a club despite the injuries. Edit: Yet others are Jose Baxter, Baxter appeared at Everton at the same age Muniain appeared in Bilbao or Messi became scary. Baxter proved to be durable but never improved after the age of 18 and eventually was in the lower leagues of English football.

@bear1245 3 года назад

Freddy Adu enters chat!

@fisheatsyourhead 3 года назад

maybe it takes into account injuries at a young age being more detrimental to their progress, like on average in 100 simulations if 5 times they get a bad injury they only get to half their potential then it'll bring the average down half a star or something

@Pyrrho66 3 года назад

Basically “every scout can see Mbappe is a beast”, but only the 15-20 can see that a future burnley player is good enough to play for burnley until he signs for them.

@Embetebe 3 года назад

It could be a simple bit of hard coding that 16 year old's potential rating is deliberately made to hit a ceiling in order to stop people buying up all the 16 year old wonderkids. By forcing it so that the true potential is only more visible once they are in their 17s would give other teams a year of opportunity to identify the player and compete with you for the signing. Worth remembering a lot of countries require players to play for 3 years for your team before the age of 20 in order to be considered home grown and hit quotas. Depending on the country, only discovering the wonderkid aspect once they are 17 might disqualify them from gaining the home grown flag.

@peterhoffman6896 3 года назад

I apologize in advance for off-topic but since you've mentioned home grown players I need to ask. In my first season I gained promotion to Finnish Premier League and no decent (I'm saying Finnish league 2.5/5 caliber) home grown player wanted to sign for me. Okay. I just got promoted so it was expected. For some reason board tells me I need to get to playoffs(first 6 teams)? With heavy grinding I get it done, finishing 5th at the end. So logically, now at least decent home grown players from second league will want to play for me, right? Well, couldn't be more wrong. NO ONE home grown with a grade above 9 wants to sign for me (money isn't that big of an issue, they keep complaining about the club). Tons of players from second league refused to talk with me about joining. I have a team full of foreigners now and I need to have 4 home grown on field at all times and 9 home grown in total (7 on bench). To make things absolutely absurd, the board decided that this year I need to qualify for Europe? This is borderline unplayable and I'm considering quitting. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

@DanielKling 3 года назад

Never selling a three star potential 16yo again

@syreacts9895 3 года назад

isak hansen aereon is a perfect exmple at man utd hes 1 yr old with 3 star potential but if u develop him well hes 178 potential

@appetsfranc5342 2 года назад

@@syreacts9895 he’s a 1 yr old?

@duartesantos9559 2 года назад

@@appetsfranc5342 project mbappe is working

@Jack-hz4wz 2 года назад

@@syreacts9895 a 1 year old? This is a whole new level of fm child trafficking!

@roolowe96 3 года назад

My theory, is that all coaches are able to see a potentially all time great player, but the better coaches are able to differentiate between the mid-tier potential players.

@Eibarwoman 3 года назад

I'd also concur. The 5 star guys are likely confirmed to be 5 star prospects barring injury or misuse (ex Iker Muniain for injury and Bojan for misuse). As Muniain in FM caps at about 4 star in game due his development being disrupted by rather severe knee ligament issues missing 4 months in the left knee followed by three years later his right knee had similar issues for a year.

@Jojos25 2 года назад

@@EibarwomanI don't think Muniáin is the most professional player either.

@palambassinaga7869 3 года назад

I only look attributes almost exclusively because even if someone has high potential but abysmal current ability he would not be able to break through any first team soon enough, which would make him never reach his potential in a realistic scenario

@valmeida6846 3 года назад

Well if you loan a player or give plenty of playtime up until he's 23, 28 for goalkeepers, they can realistic reach their full potential. Most South American, Mexican, African and Eastern European leagues have maxed out wonderkids by the age of 20 because they play a lot

@melodic_ez0657 3 года назад

depends of his personality, if he's Professional, Driven or other good ones and if you have good facilities then he can improve a lot

@obscene. 3 года назад

@@valmeida6846 You loan GK until 23? Is this why I can never get my GK past 2.5 stars CA even when they have 5 star PA?

@valmeida6846 3 года назад

@@obscene. it depends. if I have a high potential GK, I don't loan him. He plays cup games, some UCL games and league games. It's important to have nice coaching staff and facilities. People think reserve GKs are just ghosts, some don't even have one on the bench in matchdays. It's important to play them, especially if they are young and promising. But once I had an overload of promising GKs coming through the ranks and I had to loan some. They played in lesser leagues with not so great coaching, didn't develop as much as my reserve keeper.

@BlueWoWTaylan 3 года назад

@@valmeida6846 If you are loaning till 23...you might as well sell that guy at 20 for a buttload of cash and buy a star with that money.

@adrian225 3 года назад

I once had my scouts tell me a 1.5* current ability 19 yr old was had a 4.5* potential Then I entered into the FM Editor: CA: 103 PA: 106 Yeah...

@jucalebre7540 2 года назад

Lmao

@itsjustjoel28 2 года назад

what do ur scouts have? -4 judging player potential?

@adrian225 2 года назад

@@itsjustjoel28 probably negative 56 Seriously tho: the worst part is that most of them had around 15-20 judging player potential

@will.clay. 3 года назад

the little intro skits are my favourite thing on RU-vid

@Peqqy 3 года назад

To be honest i always look at the attributes rather than the stars when it comes to judging how good certain player could become. If certain attributes for their position aren't good enough, it doesn't matter if the coach thinks he has 5 star potential because they'll never reach it. Or if they did, i wouldn't see them as 5 star players.

@xazarl3381 3 года назад

Yeah I remember I had a guy with insane potential a team offered my 110 mill and I couldn't turn it down because his physicals were 14 and his dribbling like 15 I can't see a world where he becomes insane and gets all of those to 18 but he did score me goals but he never did become a superstar its different I think you always need high base stats somewhere for them to hit the potential you imagine. Having something like 20 flair 19 dribbling and 13 physicals gives you so something to work towards.

@Peqqy 3 года назад

@@xazarl3381 You're right. High baseline of stats don't always equal a future star either. Sometimes they just don't develop into that world class player. For example I bought this 18 year old striker from Brazil. He was a wet dream for a player his age 19 dribbling 17 Finishing 19 Flair, had good enough mentals and physicals and was like 6ft2. He even had a professional personality. Only thing he lacked was vision and passing. They were like 11 each. He was a three star player with 5 star potential and i was like okay he could win a ballon d'or someday, but how wrong was i... I've had him for two years now and he has made zero progress to his attributes and he is still a three star player to my coach but now he sees that my player has reached their potential. I've given him first team status since the day he joined and tbf he scores a lot of goals, but just doesn't develop! That annoyed me. I also had to cough up 20m for that guy and i only do that if i see i'm working with a game changing talent. Just goes to show you how you can never know with these wonderkids...

@Peqqy 3 года назад

@@JM-tj5qm Ajax team that won the Champions League that season. But i also thought he would be better than three stars, or that he atleast develops into more than that if not by natural development then his great form, but it didn't happen. No idea where i went wrong with him...

@khemrajbudha7955 26 дней назад

@@PeqqyThere are only 3 things when we sign or consider one will be a world beater, his baseline stats, his pa and his personality. Zeland can make his videos but we have to rely on these four things only. We may be wrong in 1/2 player out of 10 players which is ok. The player's ability is to reach actual potential is the roll of dice!

@vetulani 3 года назад

I received a newgen with three perks over 17, I thought to myself, that I will invest in him against my trainers, and after two seasons his potential prediction improved twice, almost to the max!

@ytvanced7651 3 года назад

I love these tests that you do mate in video format. Its awesome

@gameplaytv1374 3 года назад

I've always signed young players with a potential ability of 3 1/2 stars+ if their current ability or attribute distribution was good. Most of them turned out to be 3-4 star starters in a CL winning side. 5 star wonderkids with bad distribution is more often just an investment to get more money back 2 years later

@jameswithers5527 3 года назад

Attribute distribution is always the main priority for me. No point being 180 CA if they don't fit any role/position well

@tiagomarques8493 3 года назад

HOnestly I feel like personality matters in player ability. Not only about the development but also in player rating.

@samshankar9413 3 года назад

Yep, bought a 5 star potential Brazilian wonder kid, who had unambitious personality. Was always lazy in training, so I sold him for $60M 2 years later and he instantly dropped in form, and was back in Brazil by the age of 27.

@andrewbailey5584 3 года назад

Yeah you’re right. Better personality, more likely to perform in big games and play well throughout the 90. Weak personalities can have dips in form or go missing quite often

@breconcameron732 3 года назад

Yip it's fairly easy to find players good players once you have your scouting network set up, so then all I look at is what hidden attributes my scouts think they have

@gypsyg9612 3 года назад

@@samshankar9413 Those traits behind the scenes can be cruel.. Had something similiar in my games were a supposed superstar just fell flat.. Checken behind the scenes and he truly was a good player like 173 potential. But a superstar with 200 potential with a bad personality never gets close to that potential.. While a different player that only had 146 potential in that same intake grew up to be a great player.. Only difference, one was professional other was unambitious or something Personality combined with playing time seems to be most important to reach the true potential

@of_doom_and_steel477 2 года назад

@@gypsyg9612 It's actually quite quick and easy to change a young player's personality by just sticking him in a mentoring group with a handful of, say, "resolute" veterans.

@esewell 3 года назад

The PA rating dropping when he gets older could that be due to the fact he has less time to improve and realise that potential. Would be interesting to see if you changed him to 23, with 100 CA (instead of 60) and 200 PA if it would adjust the PA rating.

@JLABTV 3 года назад

I learnt something new about who provides the player report, which was nice to know for the future.

@_Oilspill_ 2 года назад

Wow, i always had my speculation something was going on with the scouting but this just proved it to me. Very informative.

@gameplaytv1374 3 года назад

I would assume the 1 JPA/P would need someone with better CA to aknowledge his potential. Realistically, if Zealand (who I say would have low JPA/P in the game) saw a 22 year old with that kind of CA he'd say that guy is bad. But an experienced scout (20 JPP) could maybe see that he only needs to fix minor mistakes to use his ability better and say he has great potential.

@codla796 3 года назад

Yea if this is in real life :D, in real life they dont have fixed pot when the save start :D

@gameplaytv1374 3 года назад

@@codla796 FM tries to be realistic. Theoretically real life players also have fixed pot, just variables decide whether they reach it - the same applies to FM

@codla796 3 года назад

@@gameplaytv1374 Dude come on its a game no simulation in the world dont have that much real life variables, you need quantum computing to simulate that... Ive been playing Football manager games since i was 8 years old so over 20 years now from original sony and championship manager i know what is Manager and what is trying to do but what he wrote up in comment its just not how game calculate things....

@gameplaytv1374 3 года назад

@@codla796 Uhm.... my original comment described the simplification that is supposed to emulate the real life variables in a less complex way. Obviously it's not just like real life, but what I said could still have an influence on how the coaches work in the game. A bad coach can't see potential in a bad player. A good coach can see potential even in a bad player. This part is simple

@codla796 3 года назад

@@gameplaytv1374 If hes a bad player, do you really think he can be good?

@JamieC_94 3 года назад

This is honestly a great video which provides definitive proof that age influences scout reports. Imho, Zealand is the singular best FM RU-vidr; consistently provides amazing content and can has an ability to clearly and concisely explain quite complex game mechanics. But I wonder if CA has an influence on the ability to judge potential too. Just a hunch, but I think that logically it would make sense (at least irl, idk about FM's mechanics). It would be quite difficult to look at a player who is currently not very good and then attempt to accurately determine just how much he can improve. On the other hand, if you have a player in their late-teens / early 20s who already has a CA of (for example) 120-130, I think it would be able to easier say "yeah, this kid is already good and at his age he is only going to get better. He could end up becoming the real deal".

@yashghate5322 3 года назад

Even if/when I start understanding and playing FM at the most detailed level, I'd still watch these videos for the intros. Great work as always!

@Eluarelon 3 года назад

The "it's Hemingway" line made me nearly choking with laughter. Pure Gold :D

@andrewt836 3 года назад

Is it because he meant Melville?

@Eluarelon 3 года назад

@@andrewt836 I just found it funny like hell that he pretended to confuse Melville with Hemingway, when Hemingway actually took the imagery of a single man fighting a huge beast in Melville's Moby Dick for his short novel The old man and the sea. I love nerd humor like that.

@ZealandonYT 3 года назад

Layers to the game

@ytvanced7651 3 года назад

I've been watching all of Zealands video from his first one and have learnt loads

@SirHubbo92 3 года назад

This kind of videos throws away years of Football Manager that I thought were right

@kukacz 3 года назад

Another mindblower: you can use SCROLL to change such things. You don't have to expand the whole list (years in this case). Just put your mouse over an year and scroll up or down :D Works on many options in FM, i.e. money value (contract, offer). I expect you, Zealand, to use it from now on ;)

@jonbone105 3 года назад

This guy makes my day so much better

@Gwynbleidd1724 3 года назад

I had wilfried Gnonto for deportivo and his star rating fluctuated so much during my save. Was potential 5 the 4.5, then 4 then scored 4 in a game and went back to 5.

@WoolavyLeeWilliams 3 года назад

Love that guy, always end up signing him for my Sunderland saves, becomes club top scorer of all time and Kovar becomes most appearances.

@Gwynbleidd1724 3 года назад

3 seasons in with Deportivo, played advance forward in a 4-2-3-1 Gegenpress, shoot on sight and he has scored 106 in 103 league games. Never had a return like that in all the years I’ve played FM

@michaelm.7556 3 года назад

i know that with the star rating for CA their is an element of hype built into the game world. so if a player is having a spell of excellent form their rating can go up by a whole star in a matter of weeks. My theory is, that this also happens with PA stars, as your own staff members and the media get hyped about young players who are on fire

@h3nrymao 3 года назад

He went to a 3.5 potential in my save then back to a 4.5

@valmeida6846 3 года назад

Most likely you had conflicting reports by coachs with better or worse judging potential ability

@Thodoris_Ioannidis 3 года назад

I would like you to make a similar video with scout reports. Sometimes you find a player that you think he's a world beater, and the scout you get is around 60.

@fmyouthdev 3 года назад

The star ratings are against current players in your team eg a youth player at City will be compared to De Bruyne, interesting doing the same experiment at a smaller club, that 200 PA player will likely have the 5 stars.

@mattaquilina1754 3 года назад

Your still alive?....

@callumburke6061 3 года назад

These intros are always the best thing in the video

@shmet 3 года назад

I had a wonderkid with 5 star potential so I signed him up As soon as I signed him up, his potential went town to only 2 stars. Maybe I just have to fire the scouts 😅

@valmeida6846 3 года назад

You must be new at the game 🤣

@darrelldadams 3 года назад

I'd like to see a test that takes a "dream team" and uses intentionally crappy tactics ( like a 5-5-0, or an all wingers formation or whatever). The question being how important 'good' tactics are, vs the quality of the team. I've heard it said that good players are more important than tactics. why not test it out?

@kriscollier5974 3 года назад

nah mate if you play totally awful tactics, the better tactic will win however great players can carry an awful tactic to wins but any 200+ hour fm player can tell when that’s happening

@belagajdan 3 года назад

Its easier to win with an ok tactic and good players, than winning with a good tactic and ok players, but even a team of world class players couldnt carry an awful tactic to victory.

@hanisbasha8562 3 года назад

the intro just summarizes my transfers man... 🥲

@roym2185 2 года назад

Very late to the party here, but agree with those saying this is somewhat realistic. I think this is very useful and as always good content. I remember reading how when Alex Ferguson saw Paul Scholes for the first time, he said: “He’s got no chance, he’s a midget.” Even the best managers and scouts in the world will disagree over the potential of the same player. I get that 20 is top for scouting, but it shouldn't be taken as that means it's a perfect scout. It's the best a human could possibly be at scouting and predicting into the future... which is always going to have massive variance. It'd be more accurate to say there's variability rather than that potential lies to you... it's more like it's tricky to get a specific and fully accurate estimate of potential (or at least the scout's reports should be taken with a grain of salt).

@joshadam3025 3 года назад

Thanks for the feature Zealand lad

@doraigayaragok3693 3 года назад

Hahah no way🤣

@scalenuts9714 3 года назад

@@doraigayaragok3693 new account

@doraigayaragok3693 3 года назад

@@scalenuts9714 not the real Josh Adam? How to find that out?

@azmrhaq7336 3 года назад

@@doraigayaragok3693 lol click his profile and see he joined yt 10 hours ago lol

@savomilosevic96 3 года назад

I've mucked around with the in game editor for a while when adding new players. Along with Potential rating, you need to change the other hidden attributes such as 'consistency, professionalism, pressure' which will help player growth and avoid 'injury, bad tempermant which hinders growth. Also before scouting give it a few weeks on the game as the scouts dont seem to pick up the changes to the player database straight away.

@wigglesft1574 3 года назад

I wonder if the expertise of the coach makes a difference too. If you had two coaches with 20jpa but one has 20def 5atk and the other 20atk 5def would they rate a 16yo striker the same way?

@of_doom_and_steel477 2 года назад

Another interesting thing (that fits with the mysterious aspect of the star rating being revealed at the age of 22): scouts are unable to know whether a player likes/dislikes big matches until the player turns 22, so that any amazing young prospect you have before that age could turn out to dread playing in big matches.

@jonnygriffiths7668 3 года назад

Thanks now I’m going to stock pile even more 16 year olds I get through on my scout reports 😂. Also, would have been good to see how a 20 jpa scout would have judged compared to a coach

@Babbitty81 3 года назад

I wonder if it try’s to be clever enough to factor in that it’s easier to judge a really good player than an average player. Ie. I’m pretty sure if I saw somebody who had the equivalent of 200 potential in real life I could accurately say judge that they have too potential, but ask me to go and find a player that is at championship level and will perform there sufficiently but we need to be able to get them within a strict budget…..well that’s a whole different kettle of fish.

@jeverydk 3 года назад

That intro hit home. Just bought 3x 5 star talented players for my entire transfer budget (calculated risk), but after 1 year, all has fallen to 3 stars :S

@alozz7 3 года назад

So for scouts as well, adaptability would be the most important attribute for above 10 JPA?

@h3nrymao 3 года назад

Damn this changes my whole philosophy of signing young players

@scaryman101086 3 года назад

Does the coach "position" (eg gk, def, att) vs player position matter in this rating?

@johnmcclane5561 3 года назад

While playing FM20 i figured out that personality of a coach also matters not only in trainings but in judging players too. That applies to HoYD too ofc. That's why when i see 32+ yo player with good personality and staff stats in my team i often suggest them to become coach.

@ALifeOfWine 3 года назад

What do you class as good personalities? Just Professional or anything else?

@garuco 3 года назад

I did play an FM save with the editor turned on and would check the the players potential and stuff. Didn't change anything, just sneak peaked at that juicy potential and from my findings, you are correct, the younger a player is, worse is the scout at judging him. Also, at youth intake, just because your couches say at best 3* potential when the intake comes in doesn't mean that's their potential. I had guys with 160 potential which was huge for my team and the head of youth thought he was a 4* at best, after a month or even a few weeks, he realized that the player was a 5* instead... Also, I found a Czech newgen player with 198 potential that I absolutely threw all my money at him and kept him playing in Romania until I decided he won me the Champions League :D also, another finding was that once the player passes 23 yo it's harder for a small club to get a good offer for a player unless you already are a rich club and the player is at worldclass level and playing every match later edit: oh, also, there are also 16 yo newgens that start with CA of 120 for instance, but their PA is about 125... not joking... just because they're young and good, doesn't necessarily mean that's a guaranteed 150 PA. they might never become any better than they currently are even thou they have almost 20 years at their disposal to improve their game

@immartal96 3 года назад

Great vid! Also the editing with the JPA etc. The only thing that stand out a bit in this video (and earlier video's) that the intro doesn't look that good. I'm not sure if you use a different camera or if the whitebalance is a bit off. When you are in your room you look crisp, sharp with a pleasent amount of blueness' in the shot which makes it cool. But in the intro it looks less sharp and very green. Maybe in the editing take a bit of green away from the highlights, by adding purple and then very slightly add green back in the shadows (if that is needed). Or add a bit of blue in the edit in the intro, so that the shot in the intro and the rest of the video looks the same. Perhaps it is more the lighting in the introroom that it is green, but still you migth be able to fix it in the edit. Not sure which editing program your editors is using but with premiere pro that is very easily done with the lumetri color effect and then under color wheel & match. Just my 2 pennies worth of feedback. The rest is great!

@iamAyal 3 года назад

Yeah, the camera he used for the intro isn't that great, I'll suggest to him maybe looking to upgrade at some point. The color is definitely off so for the future I'll ask what Zealand wants to be done about that. I personally don't mind it looking different than the rest of the video since it's clearly its own skit and not the core of the video.

@llaauuddrruupp 2 года назад

5:34: Melville. You're on a roll ;-)

@joeyfundz 3 года назад

When it comes to Physio, is the physiotherapy stat the only one that matters or does their reputation and determination matter aswell?

@qshkqn 3 года назад

Another great episode of Zack and Cody :)

@fabioonyoutube 2 года назад

Whats you stream and screen capture set up.. please.. I so want to start my own

@draganpajevic2090 3 года назад

Once i found a regen Romanian player who was 16 at that time, i thought that he looks really good for that age, and i sent Scout for a report, he came back with a report of 55 and said that he is going to be bad. But I saw that all the big clubs are Interested in him, so i took my chances and bought him for 6 million and he later on became a world class player. Soooo, f*ck Scout reports and coach reports.

@valmeida6846 3 года назад

Realistic you can't really trust scouts, coachs and not even the head of youth development. Every season my maxed out HoYD says I shouldn't give a contract for a youngster with +150 potential ability

@1lacas 3 года назад

Tako je brate.

@votaabaixo 3 года назад

@@valmeida6846 The fact that you know the player potential means that you're already using something outside of the game itself... And that's not the point here.

@Veaseify 3 года назад

@@votaabaixo I understand but a lot of FM players are convinced that all the AI teams have perfect knowledge of every players CA/PA so they don't consider using a scouting tool as cheating.

@votaabaixo 3 года назад

@@Veaseify The truth is that not even the AI have perfect knowledge. Using anything that makes your "job" easier outside of the game is a no for me, that's not the point of playing FM.

@petaaaa5831 2 года назад

I have 3 and a half star Amhmedovic with only one 16 plus stat (aerial reach) at Liverpool as the highest rated cb in Europe after two seasons. Performance is everything, also being 6’5 with ward prowse, Robertson and TAA to cross prob helps too.

@Dubuwang 3 года назад

Does it also go the other way, that a scout or coach will evaluate a players potential ability too high, to what its really is? if the judge potential is low?

@uncleseekx 2 года назад

A month late and I think it should. Imagine dedicating time, sending the player on loans to think he's your club future just to find out he's a bust🤦

@JamesKennedy33 3 года назад

"Do that, too... Cool." - suave, my man!

@wagwanbennydj6003 3 года назад

Always legendary!

@hozonov7995 3 года назад

This may be dumb but is there a difference in what those different coaches can tell in the report? like, about the hidden attributes or even personality? Cause I think that is a better indicator of the player's quality than potential stars

@ImmaterialDigression 3 года назад

This has actually blown my mind

@PatchworkSociety 3 года назад

big up Zealand for acknowledging our lord and saviour Ilkay

@txny3128 3 года назад

back in fm20 on one of my first saves i signed Gabriel Barbossa for Arsenal, as a replacement for Lacazette. The 4.5 star potential never really kicked in and he was borderline terrible, oustcored by 5 or 6 players in a young squad. Managed to go into the CL final on my second season where he missed 3 or 4 chances and I ended up losing. I sold him for a small profit and 4 or 5 seasons into the future he managed to go back to Brasil. One of the biggest flops in my fm career and I'm still pissed that I couldn't pull out the best of him.

@txny3128 3 года назад

@@JM-tj5qm yea man it was really tough. he was always lazy in trainning bad in matches and he had a really tough time getting along with his teammates. All my other wonderkids singnings worked out great in that save but he was the only one that didnt. Unlucky really

@miraclemaker1418 3 года назад

Isn't that exactly Pato?

@xazarl3381 3 года назад

What if the better scouts help you with consistency and stuff. Like that first guy zealand uses the player has 4 consistency so he will be a poor good player still right.

@nickyoung1021 3 года назад

In the game notes when the game launched they did say that PA would be able to change over time if the player did or did not get the career opportunities and experience to reach their potential. As a 16yo player this future is much cloudier than at 21yo, and at 27 its less likely the player will develop before they age out. If the player is properly developed from the beginning of their career not only could they reach their potential but they could increase their PA too. But thanks for proving it! PS - Don't forget that star rating is also relative to the other players on your team too, so if you have a lot of PA 200 players it becomes "average" and suddenly they are all rated 4stars max.

@gregweaver1847 3 года назад

Hey all, I'm kind of new to FM21, What is the difference between the yellow star and the white stars when it comes to ratings? Sometimes I grab someone that has 2 yellow stars and 2 white stars and the scout says could be my best DC, get a loan for him, turns out he's only 2 stars and then never gets playing time and pisses off who loaned them to me.

@HerbalHairbear 3 года назад

My scouts make me think of the scouts in Moneyball who are always banging on about the five tool guys whilst ignoring stats

@ArminNrd 3 года назад

I'd guess that at a certain age some attributes improve more than others. For example young players (16-17yo) grow better in physical abilities than 20 year olds do. Those improve more in mental abilities 18-19 year olds grow in technical abilities more than in physicality. Hence these fluctuations occur. For some playing roles physical ability isn’t necessary. If then the PA doesn’t get used up for physical growth, then the player will improve more in the mental and technical attributes, which influence the star rating more. I hope you could get my point and maybe this could be true

@dagandersson3641 3 года назад

What if JPA is not used as an ability but as a cap. Could also be connected to the varible PA and CA you see in the database when they dont give them an exact value.

@stanciuoctavian7301 3 года назад

Determination, Work rate, Natural Fitness and from the hidden attributes: Professionalism, Ambition maybe Versatility affect the Potential and development of the player.

@valmeida6846 3 года назад

Consistency, injury proneness, important matches too. Versality not that much

@vish3510 3 года назад

I find it strange that attributes don't whim to ability, you could have 20s in all attributes and the player would still be 1* would love to see how he'd play? Would he rise to his potential or would the CA hold him back? Seen a few times where attributes look brilliant but the player itself is average or what you not expect but then you get your "jesse lingards" that don't excel in anything but absolutely show up in form and are vital to the team.

@janbo8331 3 года назад

What was the "working with youngsters" ability on the coaches you did the test with? I don't know if it makes a difference in the coach reports for young players, but I think it could.

@nizangkerplunk 3 года назад

I think it affects youth academy

@googleforcedhandle 3 года назад

it affects how good they are training with young players, if a coach has low working with youngsters then the training rating will be bad

@janbo8331 3 года назад

@@googleforcedhandle That much I know, but do you know for sure it doesn't affect the reports on young players? I don't see a logical reason why it couldn't.

@googleforcedhandle 3 года назад

@@janbo8331 it's there with the other coach training attributes, don't see why it would affect anything else. In the case of the HOYD a dev on the SI forums said that its a recommended attribute because HOYD act as coaches during training sessions, never mentioned that being important for anything else.

@garethstanden3732 3 года назад

would changing Determination change the potential? like how well he will train over the years?

@Zeerse_Chef 3 года назад

You need a more consistent and larger group of scouts/coaches and not just one player. 20 JPP still isn't perfect, so is it just player age or is he not getting an accurate read on this particular player. You need to retry all this with lots of 20 JPP staff looking at lots of players to get results we can form a conclusion on. I'd guess that it's kind of related, the younger the player, the more things are likely to go wrong before he reaches his potential your staff will hedge their bets on the potential to a larger range?

@erikbladh7464 3 года назад

Maybe higher rated (15-20) coaches can easier work in hidden attributes like consistency into their rating?

@oscarnuttall5847 2 года назад

How do you edit the players as done in the video?

@Tuck3tt 3 года назад

I have had a 200PA GK in a save before. He wasn't my GK, but every couple of years I look to see who has the highest PA in the game and noticed there was a Bulgarian (at least Eastern European) GK with 200PA and a Brazilian RB with 199.

@jonathanevans4610 3 года назад

What controls how much and how quickly PA converts to CA?

@Lunch_at_Marcos 3 года назад

I’ve been tempted to use the in game editor to change my academy’s potential because I’ve had amazing facilities and coaching for years now but I looked at one of the players and his potential is 78... I just don’t know how realistic that is given what my club has (also I’m in England) look at clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U, Man C etc etc IRL they probably don’t have players that have that potential it’ll likely be 100 minimum

@fubas23 3 года назад

And what about the difference between the reports from a coach and a scout with both 20 JA/PA?

@emmettforrestel1071 3 года назад

You’re my hero

@uncleseekx 2 года назад

This explains how my players just get good all of a sudden the next season after their potential last season was crap

@jackroberts4410 3 года назад

Brilliant Video

@Mundatorem 3 года назад

8:49 I have 2 save games where I play with an editor to view the potential ability of wonderkids. I have found 2 regens with 200 ability out of 200+ regens in my playing time of 600 hours. 1 was a central midfielder on my Manchester United team through my own youth intake, whilst the other was a central defender out of Bordeaux for some reason. Funnily enough, that means I have seen more 200 potential wonderkids than 191-199, where I have only seen 1. I have seen alot of 190 from Real Madrid and München though.

@peterobanor2605 3 года назад

Most of them come from Brazilian league

@pawewitkowski1377 3 года назад

Doesn't it depend on the scout's youth skill?

@alexkabargin6747 3 года назад

Yeah my mum says i had potential but here i am, 31 years old watching FM videos.. Oh, did you mean potential in FM?

@WelziFC7 3 года назад

When the 20 scout was judging the 16 year old 200 potential at 4.5 it seemed as if (I know this isn’t the case) he was hesitant to call him 5 stars and was doing that to give some wiggle room. Like when someone is called “the next messi” at 16 years old, it’s like he knows he’s 5 star but he was just giving himself room for error to play it safe

@bobmcbobg1696 3 года назад

So true! It always lies. I’ll sign a 5 star kid from Bulgaria for example, and when he’s on my team his potential goes to 3.5 stars. 20 judging potential coaches btw 🤦🏻‍♂️

@thestuff9815 6 месяцев назад

YOOOO DARKO GYABI IS A MAINSTAY IN MY FM23 create a team save

@jackoberto01 3 года назад

I've had so many 5 star (where one is silver) potential youngsters in my save who all became shit by the age of 23 and my coach has 19 JCA and 20 JPA

@thekingboysan 3 года назад

I had a game where I showed current ability and potential. One player had a level of 12 potential but ended up winning my team's player of the season 4 years in a row and became a club legend.

@airoxx_24 Месяц назад

Hello, I don't get that view, the part where it says 20, 15 (coach)

@magnusbrodthagen1324 2 года назад

I really thought that the potential would have an impact on the players price🤯

@Jaysthudandblunder 3 года назад

Might be the long tail on the bell curve. Making a 200 difficult to judge.

@jovicaduro7204 3 года назад

people sometimes misinterpret ability and potential if we are writing about success or how to put together a team that is not the most important thing

@liquidity8432 3 года назад

I’ve just downloaded the regen facepack but the NEWGAN manager won’t open. Does anyone know how to fix this? I’m on Windows if that makes a difference

@iamAyal 3 года назад

If you go into Zealand's discord there's a discord channel called #facepack-faq where it says what to do in that situation

@liquidity8432 3 года назад

@@iamAyal ok thanks a lot

@matthewhancock2382 3 года назад

Hi all....The star potential rating .... rather than a simple representation of what a players potential ability is (200 = 5* etc) it probably more a representation of the ability the player is likely to attain. The player could have 200 potential but there will be other traits that will stop him reaching that potential, or getting near it . We know that coaching has an impact on a player development in the game as does attitude, how injury prone etc. Similarly I would assume that there would be additional coaching/ scout attributes that will be used in conjunction with JPP/ JPA which are used to create an accurate star rating. So probably not a simple case of 200 potential = will be a monster player or 20 JPP = will find you all the wonderkids.

@isaaclodziak-green6326 3 года назад

The coaches and scouts would never be able to predict the true potential whilst the player is still growing physically. What would have been interesting is whether changing the height and weight of the player changed anything from the report

@danielfersbeanto7942 3 года назад

Give 20 determination and atleast 15 for Professionalism & Consistency for Josh Adam guaranteed he will get 5 stars rating And lower JPA maybe will give better consistency so you only need to add 1-1.5 stars from what he reporting

@valmeida6846 3 года назад

Spot on. Every single player with at least 15 profissionalism and consistency reach their full potential. I've seen determination not being that influential, as long as it isn't - 10

@TheStedomi 3 года назад

I never sign players with a blanced or same level of personality, they never reach their full potential, not even close

@robwashers 3 года назад

in 2008 i used the editor - gave myself 200 pa at Charlton + I gave Scott Parker 180 pa - ofc Parker was the better player in the end!

@andreferreira4439 3 года назад

Maybe the difference betwen the 10 jpa and 20 jpa is the speed that they scout the player

@markbarnes3076 3 года назад

I was thinking it could be the difference in accuracy until 100% scouted?

@Lucifehr 3 года назад

brother, if you ask me the 1JPA was the most accurate in terms of the CA vs PA, you ll say that i am crazy but listen to me: the more you get the player closer to his peak age of stopping the evolution into his potential, the lower the stars should be as there is no more potential to develop. So for example, at the age of 22, with the current attributes, despite the potential set to 200 , he is a 2 star potential player...for me that is accurate as he can no longer develop