Pound 2022 Losers Semis - MkLeo (Byleth) Vs. Riddles (Kazuya) SSBU Smash Ultimate Tournament 

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Most likely

Same for Spargo, Mkleo, Tweek, Fatality, Larry, Cosmos, Kola and more. "If they fix their own individual small weaknesses, they can reach the top/stay at the top". If Mkleo improved even further then he would likely start gaining more genuine 3-0s then reverse 3-0s and also cement his place at the top of smash ultimate. Don't be too narrow-minded.

@@ambiguous8661 dude shut up with the open minded ness crap you sounds stupid

@@ambiguous8661 "Narrow-minded." :/

@@ambiguous8661 says the one being a smartass against a supportive comment.

Also both said the nword on stream

@@gustavoaravenacid3066 riddles really did? send link

@@gustavoaravenacid3066 also funny boxing ring

@@bootleg6595 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KS_-GDNxXhM.html he really did, but according to him, he said Richter Anyways, Cosmos was with him and he was very chill about it

@@TheKABE09 yeah he def said the nword, it was casual and low tone, didn't sound like an impulse, sounded like he forgot there was a camera and mic. Still doesn't excuse it but it's still better than using it derogatorily like esam boxing ring

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I think that's technicals, best smash commentator out there

this was me lmao I did not pick a good day to try that shit

Riddles still shitter leo better

Shonen 3 among us

Pretty sure he was dashing forward to get the immidiate turn around like the commentators said, so it didn't matter how mkleo DI'd that was just true... Kazuya is busted lmao

The Capitalistic Dictator I’m pretty sure that works with the up smash as a combo finisher, but not with the EWGFs leading up to it? could be wrong, i don’t play kazuya lol

@@arjayecho9890 I know riddles has mentioned before that there are two types of combo routes with Kazuya: those where you have to react to DI and those that don't. And I believe the one where you don't have to react you dash forward at some point. It's suppose to be more input intensive though, but still kind of ridiculous to me.

Very well put. Leo knew the power he had over him because he wasn't even respecting Riddles space most of the time. I feel like Riddles could've played better if he was a bit calmer. And that's easy to say given I'm not in his position but it's because its Kazuya, Riddles' Kazuya definitely has the potential to dominate. One thing I wished he would've done this set is not overextended in advantage and disadvantage and make use of sheilding because it would've gave him better positioning.

Actually, Leo is very, VERY spammer

kazuya is considered as grappler in smash ? Woaw in tekken is more like defensive 50/50 character

@@yoch5383 This isn't tekken though

@@yoch5383 Kazuya isn’t really a grappler in Smash, but he has some aspects of it here. He can still play his Tekken playstyle here. Even Riddles tried to do it here

@@Terrabyte13 He was just comparing how he's viewed in smash Vs tekken

I don't think Byleth is a zoner, also not in this game. Riddles just went in way too aggressive on Leo. Which allowed Leo to take a step back using bair and fair to safely distance himself from Riddles.

Set that man up bad

Served him on a platter and Leo took a bite from it

I'm saying. Leo is as lucky as he is good. Possibly more so. That's not the first time these platforms have said. "I got you homie"

terry disadvantage isn't even bad

@@S1neWav_ the reason I call it bad is because it’s not bad at first, throughout the set, you start to realize that the character struggles to land, and recovers the same way a lot. Crackshoot becomes too predictable, as seen in the set with Light, and he doesn’t have many mixups.

@@mysticsquirtle5109 most other characters just don't have the landing mixups he does. also you're neglecting that fox makes everyone's disadvantage look worse than it really is. terry doesn't have excellent landing options but i wouldn't say he "struggles to land" like lucas or sora. it's just fox being good terrys only real weakness is his recovery

@@S1neWav_ I would not say it’s awful, but it’s not good by any means, any character with a decent punish option can just juggle him and react to what he does, he’s not a fast faller and doesn’t have good options to get to the ground. Also what good options does he have? Crackshoot from ledge? The thing he should only be able to do once or twice a game against anyone that knows how to adapt? His options from getting off ledge or land are just as good, if not worse than his recovery.

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I like that you don't slander riddles, and I can respect where your coming from, it's simply that a lot of people (including me) like seeing a character eho can deliver a high amount of damage quickly, it just keeps you on the edge of your seat

To use all of kazuyas moves dynamically may not be optimal or possible for a human player

*Riddles is carried

Protobanham’s strategy vs Leo in summit, he’s trying to emulate that strategy. If he goes solo, it’s usually due to the matchup, for characters like Samus, he’ll stick with Terry cause Kazuya will get stuck at ledge forever. In Byleth’s case, I’m guessing he went Kazuya cause Terry struggles to recover. Byleth can snuff out Terry’s recovery when he recovers high with the disjoints. Recovering low with Up B is not a good option too cause Terry’s Up B doesn’t snap ledge, and Leo is good at landing the downair.

Same here!

I’m pretty sure it was unlisted at the time

He has rough time trying to get close though

EWGF is also barely committal, and safe on block, and it has s. Cheesy asf, I feel bad for anyone who can't space him out

@@Liezuli just parry it and punish not hard lolol

@@pikachuketchum9767 That's a terrible idea. It's too fast to parry on reaction, and the risk way outweighs the reward. Since I play a sword character, I can just stand back and challenge it with a disjoint anyways, which is much safer and easier. Regardless, just because EWGF has counterplay doesn't make it not an insanely cheap option. (Despite that, I don't think Kazuya is broken at all) (Wait god damn it I took a shitpost seriously again)

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Agreed. Leo respected the close distance Kazuya needs to get his combo's going. Using the range Byleth has to safely backtrack and attack from distance. Once Kazuya was in disadvantage Riddles had hard time coming down or back on stage. Slow predictable air mobility..

Complex button inputs be like

Ewgf is hard af to input for me at least

@@nightarcher55 it’s a pretty hard input in tekken as well

yep, this. riddles does become elder god tier at certain points in sets, but he still desperately needs to maintain that status more consistently.

he's great already come on

He’s really good and even one of his secondaries is really good in the belmont characters. He’ll probably keep improving

@@toastedtarts4044 you mean richter

@@DavionLane waddup my richter

@@DavionLane i didn’t know which one he played but I know one of them

Probably just felt like kazuya could do it

I think his Richter has some stuff to fight against Leo too, but I think he's very comfortable with Kazuya.

True but it think it’s the matchup more than anything. Terry sucks ass against Byleth. My buddy is a Terry main and it gets rough.

if anything, watching Riddles fight Light and Leo shows that his disadvantage needs some work. His characters are naturally bad in disadvantage, but its either time to use more Roy or work on some of his habits. good stuff to Riddles though. He's the future.

The pain of Kazuya disadvantage…plus Riddles is really aggressive, always wanting to pressure his opponent. Leo adapted to that, especially since he had already fought Riddles in 3 sets at Squad Strike.

Gluttony: and i took that personally

Magnus Rage if kazuya didn’t have bad disadvantage he’d be absolutely broken. did you see the those combos?

Glutonny can apparently

Glutonny: and I took that personally

Can’t stop Leo consistently*

@@okayperson3041 we'll see what the king of europe can do when they verse again :)

@@tatara822 I’m sure Leo would be more prepared in the wario mu as nobody beats him more than 2x post quarantine matches. In July

He's a robot. 😉

Muscle memory and opponent conditioning. Anybody can do it fr but some people(like leo) are better/faster at building that skill. Also making it a habit to keep your eye on the opponent's character and not yours

@@McEezy94 If Leo decides to play call of duty one day, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts headshoting everyone using only snipers while jumping 360°, with no scope. I swear.

I think he’s just really calm many people get really scared but Leo is so used to it at this point so he doesn’t get scared or nervous. Super hyped riddles made it this far

Well this is top 4 of a major, there can only be 2 players who aren't in losers.

Lol, the entirety left of top 8 was top players. You send Proto, Leo, Light, Gluto, Sparg0, Kola, Shuton, Gluto, Riddles, Zomba, for example to one tournament. It's just bound to happen xD.

Its even

@@jasonlobo2350 No way. It’s about even on stage. Byleth range stunts Kazuya trying to get in and is one of the only characters that come close to the absurd kill power of Kazuya. Once they’re off stage or on the ledge it’s not even close. Byleth has a million ways to edge guard or ledge trap Kazuyas terrible disadvantage and recovery.

Not really, theyve done that only for frostbite events

@@AlanJHPlata yeah I'm referring to then when they tried out out I kinda want them to use that again

Srsly. Commenters cheering R's Z2D, then saying it's "Unfortunate" when L did it. Look how many hits it takes L/Byleth to Z2D, & then divide by 2 for R/Kaz

Yeah pretty standard for Kazuya cheesers

"Standard", like that, quote on quote, because only Riddles is consistent doing so

@@sleepyyyyyyyyyyyyy Wdym? I’ve only seen like 4-5 Kazuya players on this earth who do this consistently. If you’re real talking about basic shitty Kazuya “cheezers”, I’m pointing on the 10 hit spammers I see everywhere online.

Kazuya players look at the blue DI line that appears on the opponent’s character model to determine the correct follow-up. The problem is that people can mix-up their DI as the hitstun is about to end which makes Kazuya have to guess. Kazuya’s meta evolved recently by the way they were able to tech chase on platforms and the dash they do after the electric (essentially covers DI in and DI away).

@@TheKABE09 actually thats ferps tech Ferps do it to because he invented it

nah, a lot of professional players can suprise leo like this, leo is the best of the world because he never lost his adaptative spirit even in the worst situations

Wtf? Tons of people have done that with loads of characters. Kazuyas not better than bylteh

This mans logic: I'm the better player so your combo doesn't work lol

Yeah Leo too good and never lost his cool. Ggs from Riddles I think he can be top 5 in the world eventually.

Terry definitely has a much better shot in this matchup

@Master Shifu idk man terry might be better

He plays the character himself at locals

@@shaghilathar3588 last time I saw him do that he played him like a smash character, no wavedash, no electrics and used more smash attacks than usual. Is there a clip of him playing some actual Kazuya? I would love to see Leo's take on that character.

Riddles has been a top player for years. Also this line of logic is like asking ganon to be nerfed because he deals the same amount of damage if not moreso

@@shaghilathar3588 Nah Ganon is nerfed already with that speed lol but Ganon does not have a combo game like kazuya. Also, Kazuya gets even nastier after certain % and the down b (which you cant shield, cause its a grab) does like 60% damage and kills at 40-50% depending on the weight of the character. With kazuya you just tap A and he does a full combo for free

@@Mercerplays What the hell are you even talking about? Ganon has TWO command grabs and no attack kazuya has can do more than 40 or kill earlier than 70. Kazuya has combo game yes but he also is just as slow as ganon if not slower in certain moves. Even sakurai himself showed this. And if you're honestly saying 10 hit combo( which is is literal meme in both smash and Tekken) is what you're struggling with then you're straight trash because that move actually has the highest SDI multiplier in the game

@@shaghilathar3588 No matter what you say, Kazuya is still way too op.

@@Mercerplays Literally no top player thinks so, no tier list says this and even if he was he requires way more execution than any other character to get to that level anyway

He seemed nervous the match before with Zomba too, missing a lotta techs 😥 hopefully experience will get him there

Eso es porque se lamentan que los dejo fuera, como en este casó, riddles es amigo de Leo.

Es normal que cuando algunos pierden no se levanten, se quedan devastados por la derrota.

Pero si ellos son amigos literalmente el lo dice en sus streams, bueno yo sé inglés y aparentemente se llevan bien de acuerdo a Riddles

:)