What about the blood, poop, hair, pee, all over the floor in OBGYN and then when the surgery is done and patient out, you cant just walk in there to get something you left, you need a hair net and mask and shoe covers. Techs looked at me and were like "wtf! get your crap on" as i look at the floor filled with hair, blood, poop and pee and im like dude im so lost.
@@ProfessorBenDover To assume that scrub techs/ancillary positions are "retarded" is arrogant. The techs may note have the medical/scientific knowledge foundation that a med student has, but they know the surgeon's habits, what they want and when they want it, and what kind of med students are going to leave a good impression or not on that surgeon. The tech depicted is likely one who has been in the OR environment for a significant amount of time, whereas the med student is new to the environment. They may not provide warning through the questionable medium that was depicted in the video, but they do tend to give you a heads-up if they're feeling congenial enough to let you know what the surgeon likes/dislikes.
@@justelynnnjoelle Arrogance has nothing to do with it. It's not a question of knowledge but rather cognitive ability. Psychometrics are a thing. --- *A surgeon/med student is smarter than an XYZ Tech *A programmer is smarter than a help desk. The same goes for mechanical engineer vs mechanic Of course a Tech wouldnt be retarded compared to the general pop. otherwise he wouldnt be able to perform a technical job. This type of behavior is unacceptable especially towards someone trying to learn, you dont fucking berrate a baby when he's learning something new
@@ProfessorBenDover Well, let me clarify. A tone of arrogance is implied from your comment. The fact that you felt a non-PC term like "retarded" was applicable to a technical position. I'll elaborate more on arrogance later. And yes, cognitive ability and psychometrics are indeed a "thing". However, a comprehensive understanding of scientific principles (which I previously referred to as "knowledge") does pair hand-in-hand with said cognitive ability. To add, a surgeon/med student is, in fact, more capable of critically thinking and applying scientific theories in the OR. Nowhere in my comment did I say that they were not intelligent. Also, I did not compare intelligence levels between a surgeon/med student to a tech. I addressed the depiction of the tech as being one of an experienced medical professional who has worked with the depicted attending surgeon long enough to understand their habits and idiocyncrasies. Now for my favorite part, "A programmer is smarter than a help desk... The same goes for mechanical engineer vs mechanic" - I don't understand the pertinence of listing irrelevant comparisons in professions. Also, "... the whole is only as strong as its parts...", a sub-concept of emergence often misquoted but attributed to Aristotle. All positions you mentioned are essential for each other's efficiency, and your comparison of them in metrics of intelligence lends aid to my evaluation of your arrogance. Another thing: I don't remember comparing a medical technologist/technician with the general population? And yes, I'm glad you recognize they are capable of technical jobs that are essential to an OR's efficiency. To conclude, I agree with your last point: berating a student who is fresh to the OR is unprofessional - no doubt. However, let's keep in mind that this was a worst case scenario being depicted. There are indeed OR's that will "wake-up" med students from their possibly "romanticized" view of the OR environment.
My favorite med school OR moment - scrub tech gave me the wrong instrument to hand to the attending. I was the one he chewed out. In the hundreds of hour spent in the OR, nobody took 5 minutes to teach me the common instruments. Paying tuition to get shit on for 12 hours a day was great!
because they expect you to know all of that before coming in. actually, they expect you to know everything, even the things they're thinking. typical med school
The slap on the hand, the retractor, the surgeon smacking lips like you'd personally insulted his newborn baby..... The "let go"! I'm glad we all united in this pain lol
"Hey can we get some music going? Something actually good this time." 3mins later "Okay this part of the case is fairly technical so I would like to be able to hear myself fucking think?"
I graduated from med school 2 years ago and I started sweating by just watching this video. Edit: my smart watch just alerted me about heart rate increase. Holy shit.
Omg I graduated 15 years ago and this brought me back to a dark place… my first OR was like this. Having never seen the inside of a body outside of cadaver lab and being berated constantly while experiencing it was a hell of an experience
@@ProfessorBenDover it’s more you have a group of burnt out doctors and nurses who all have undiagnosed PTSD and have been awake since 5am. It’s now 3:30 am the following day and they see the learner as an irritating impediment to getting out of this stressful emergency situation that they feel trapped in
There's a great video. I often ask myself and others, as a general surgery resident who discovered his passion late and had to change fields after starting residency, who in their right mind would want to do surgery based on their experience of the OR during med school? I would literally be anywhere else. Every time we had the chance to go home instead of going to the OR I would take it immediately. If you want people to come to your specialty you should at least give a f... To make it a bit appealing to them by creating an atmosphere that's somewhat tolerable. Operations are stressful and exhausting as it is, be nice to each other. Although I still don't know what kind of attending I'm gonna be, based on my short fuse I will have to consciously try to not end up like the guy in the video.
I think people that get really really good at surgery are going to naturally really care about being the best. You need to be a bit callous and distant to live in that level of stress with people’s lives in your hands. Sometimes people don’t make it and you need to have the coolness to cope with that. Also holding life and death in your hands often gives people a bit of a god complex. The traits that make an amazing surgeon often don’t make good people, or at least not good teachers. Def not the case for all surgeons but as someone who has met a great number of them, the most skilled ones have also been the biggest jerks.
Thanks for the PTSD ya jerk!! Seriously though, this video was like a collage of all the possible awful interactions in the OR. I have had good memories of my rotations in surgery and ortho with a few moments like this. This was a greatest hits montage of them.
Worked as a transporter in a hospital for 9 months. We covered the whole hospital (although in practice I was only in NICU once, which was fine by me), but the nearest we'd get to the OR was Preop or PACU. I'd see surgeons on their phones in the halls sometimes, and I heard stories about what went on in the OR, but I never saw. Good to know it was all true.
some scrub techs act as if they are surgeons 😅What do they expect when they are working at a teaching hospital. I had a really abusive scrub tech once who were ordering me what to do, and I couldn't handle it one day and just said 'you must be salty towards med students because you failed to get into med school'. Stares from the nurses, bursting laughter from the surgeon lol. Apparently surgeon loved that so I didn't get in trouble
Holy shit this is so accurate lmfao, only difference during my general surgery rotation in France was that the scrub nurses/IBODE were actually the nicest people out there ; but JFC, the pissed off surgeon crossing his arms and berating you because you didn't have the retractor at the exact perfect angle are so PTSD inducing
Now I'm a bit worried for med school because if anyone talks to me in the way they're talking to the student in this video the sterile field will be contaminated with my tears.
Don't be too scared, not all surgeons and nurses are like that. In the theatre department I work in (i am a circulator) we have some friendly surgeons and anaesthetists, and the nurses are fab. There are many days where we are all joking and laughing.
i dont blame you, how can you be happy at work when you have someone who doesnt give a rats ass about you yelling at you for not being perfect?@@emilyanderson5354
Omg this is so accurate, I am sweating and it’s bringing back awful memories - it literally feels like I’m in theatre. This is why I cannot do surgery loool.
I'm working in a new hospital. The educator during orientation happened to be a seasoned OR nurse. She was teaching us sterile procedures and would comment about her skills alot. For example, in opening sterile gloves "See that, muscle memory, I don't even have think. " In return demonstration she was very particular. My cohort just nodded and we redid sterile field/procedure simulations until she was satisfied. She was also our hospital tour guide. She took us to the morgue and started touching everything and her face. She even used the morgue access to scratch her nose. 😅 She also did not use hand sanitizer in and out of the "patient" rooms in the hospital sim lab. 🙄 Double standards of sterility and hand hygiene are real.
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I'm a week away from starting med school and this is terrifying me - I've seen the OR as a nurse and this is so true, I was just grateful at the time to not be the med student then T_T
If people ask me why I did a medical specialty instead of surgery I'm gonna show them this. PS thanks for the PTSD. Can't wait for the nightmares tonight
Me: *Introduces myself to scrub techs* Scrub tech: you're standing way too close right now I need you to take two steps back *Unscrubed surgeon literally grazes her a few moments later* "oh whoopsie there that was a close one* ._.
lmfao the capitain parkinsons one. man i wish surgeons were more chill man the cardiology rotation i had some of the doctors felt like highschool friends id had for like 8 years. just talkin about dogs and stuff so real.
I’m an undergrad, but work under a PI who runs observational intraoperative studies. My first day, I was was singled out and SCREAMED at for simply walking past the sterile instrument table. I was an entire foot away from the table. He didn’t know who I was and took the first opportunity he could to chew me out 😅
I remember one time I was shadowing an IR doc and she asked me wtf I’m doing, I told her I’m shadowing doc X, then she went to ask him and was treating me like an undercover spy that needs to be eliminated and started complaining in front of me about why they shouldn’t take on students (at my school’s teaching hospital). I was just like okkkkkay and didn’t care, I’m shadowing the IR doc doc if he says it’s ok not sure why anyone else should complain lol.
The circulator is either running for the 100th instrument/item the surgeon has asked for because nothing we have is ever right or hiding in a corner to escape the surgeons wrath. It's me. I'm the circulator.
I've always wondered why some surgical techs are so darn grumpy. I mean, yeah, surgeries are stress city, surgeons can be real jerks, and you've got students taking our sweet time sewing things up. But, seriously, they need to cut some slack 'cause when you are a student you are freakin' terrified in there! And at least the ST can be the lil' companion for the moment specilly when dealing with an absolute asshole of a surgeon. Now, later on, you might look back and have a good laugh, like I didi with this, but in the moment, it's pretty tense. So, why not toss a smile our way? Being chill not only keeps the surgical vibe groovy but also helps students keep their cool. Whether its wielding scalpels or sucking the barbecue smoke of the cauterized flesh, a friendly atmosphere makes everything way less gnarly.
I actually heard from one of the surgeon that surgical techs are mean to med students because a lot of them failed to get into medical school and ended up as surgical tech. Sign of jealousy
Not the med student being a verbal punching bag for the surgeons AND the scrub techs :))) I was assisting an operation last week and got yelled at for opening the scissors too early like what?????
I can't count how many times I've left the OR after a case fuming because of this sort of attitude. Always wanted to punch the operating surgeon in the face afterwards. Never did so though, maybe I should have. Then again it builds character and resilience under stress.
If anyone caught the sterile field thing, the doctor broke the sterile field by wiping his forehead. (Forehead is not sterile) If the patient goes septic it’s getting pinned on the student.
I recently had a chat with my doctor friends and they told me stories from when they were interns/residents. I showed them this clip and they all related to it, especially the hand slapping. I feel so sad for them because they are literally being verbally and emotionally abused on a daily basis but it's the culture and they can't do anything but shrug it off. Not to mention the low pay and sexual harrassment (they're both women). Why can't the medical community apply "Do No Harm" to themselves? ☹️
