Power Scaling Is Cringe 

Worst take I've ever read holy fuck

what the fuck

Dude what the fuck is your problem 💀

Bait

Brain dead take.

Garfield can also beat Goku in a eating contest.

actually in the short movie Garfield's Nine Lives he dies several times but is ultimately re-incarnated into god. so he still wins even if goku could hurt him

@@arx3516 goku, kirby, and garfield in an eating contest, who wins.

​@@fourthmatchflameKirby easily 💀

@@NINTENDOEDITZ you see i think its a closer fight considering kirbys so smol.

😱😱😱

Unironically an argument with a version of Superman where he became so powerful he "heard the voices beyond" aka the raders lmao.

​@@bignstuff Call me crazy or gooby goober all you want I personally still enjoy power scaling videos and stuff. Although you are right so I'm gonna take it too seriously it's just be only used for fun. How do you feel about what if videos just curious

I enjoy a good "what if" from time to time, it can definitely be fun to speculate on alternate story paths

@@bignstuff Appreciate the reply man and I really did enjoy the video

I'm not saying that power scaling is nesesary, but an author needs to be consistent to make a good story and power scaling makes it all easier. So yeah powerscaling is important.

​​​@@pedro_6120It's still fact though, there are even other authors who doesn't even like talking about powerscaling, even if there's consistencies in power levels, the author is just gonna put a power up to a character or make the character stronger to make sure they will win. Even strategy for a character. It's a matter on how they will win. For example, denji beats makima, stan pines beat bill cipher. Those villains was stronger than them yet they still find a way to defeat them, i'm sure if people debate who would win without any of this event, the outcome would not be the same as their respectable series, unless of course their just mindlessly fighting

​@@pedro_6120Then one piece and Jojo is not a good story, seriously i've seen inconsistencies that's happening in the story yet they still manage get away with it, even fans admit it lol

@@gottthhaaa429 of course, I see your point, but there is always a hierarchy and that, even if you don't think about it is powerscaling, measuring a character at their strongest to see who is weaker or stronger. And of course strategy is an important part, but do you really think denji at the start of CSM could kill makima, of course not. It took not only physical but mental growth to achieve that. At its core powerscaling can be incredibly simple, character A is at a higher rank than character B so he should scale higher unless proving or stating otherwise. Sorry if I sounded mean in my first coment, I didn't mean it to sound like that.

@@pedro_6120 Also, there are cases like that One Piece character who can no longer break something.

"My dad can beat yars!" "Yeah, looks like that's all he is good at" "..."

Btw power scaling is wrong in 90percent of cases

grown man hating on ppl trying to quantify the level of power of a virtual character for fun is crazy bro 💀i just wanna know whod win in a fight why u gotta make a fuss over it

@@egg-mv7ef Whatever people wanna do is their business but the point being is people go way too far with it to the point it's disturbing others.

@@LittleCuddlePrincess how?? ☠️ who tf takes it "too far" and how do u even take it too far its such a non issue

if they had your intelligence.

@@noobking2335damn bro.

@@noobking2335 mf got hurt and burnt a poor lad that got in his way by accident

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I mean, Oppenheimer if he was equipped with his own bomb WOULD be City to Island level, though. You're not really making the point you think you're making because the comparison to Newton merely quantifying the existing force we'd all known and naming it "gravity" isn't at all the same to building a bomb. Like what even is this comparison?

Pretty sure the entire batfamily has punched concrete at some point and won. That’s not peak human performance. That’s super strength.

@@orangeapples You can absolutely destroy concrete with your bare hand... The question of how MUCH concrete, though, is the biggest determiner of if it is possible.

@@WestGarbage6 And how much hand you have left.

The intelligence thing is also dependent on the writer, because it's really hard for a stupid writer to write a genuinely intelligent writer. I get that you don't need to be as smart as the character you're writing, because you have time on your side while you can write the character figuring all that out in seconds. But you do need some intelligence to understand how things work. Sometimes, Batman's intelligence is relatively normal, grounded, and believable. He's really smart, but he's human. Other times, he's unraveling the secrets of the cosmos by looking at a thing, or IDing a man by the feel of his face on his fist from punching him. Ridiculous crap like that that is obviously just plot-induced BS instead of actual intelligence. Basically, after a certain point, it's not intelligence that he's showing off, but knowing the plot and the script. And that's pretty stupid.

There's a comic where Batman gets shot by a tank and survives. And in another he survived falling from space to Earth. Dude is pretty wacky.@@WestGarbage6

remember that one time spongebob erased the universe?

@@strateks9611 yeah stuff like that. Spongebob having a toon moment where a string he held “unraveled the whole universe” suddenly makes him stronger than Goku or Superman.

@@strateks9611 Yeah, one time only and then never again aka Outlier at best, outweighed by the MOUNTAIN of anti-feats where consistently Spongebob would be nowhere near universal, Didn't see him try to Unravel the Universe on the Cyclops or Dennis in the Spongebob Movie or try to travel at MFTL+ speeds to get out of Rock Bottom, SpongeBob finds out he's shock absorbent to Flats in just ONE episode only but the entire rest of the seasons he gets his butt kicked and is in visible pain and bruised, especially with him shattering his pelvis from snowboarding and needing it to be glued back together. You don't get the excuse to just use their best outlier feat and just somehow ignore all the anti-feats

"You could have taken the cuffs off at anytime !?" "Not anytime ! Only when it could be funny"

Yes. All outliers. Spongebob is a wimp. 99% of the time he is a wuss that can be beaten even by a little dog or cat. Spongebob is also a show for wimps. Real boys watched Power Rangers , Dragonballz or He Man.

One Finnish man had a good day, and ever since then none of them would shut up about it.

@@chesterstevens8870 Other Finnish man had a very good day and was high on meth riding his skiis right through soviet soldiers camp

Nodding-along to Non Arguments is nice, but seriously, heres a real easy debunk of some of the points herre: "People are biased so powersclaing is stupid" No ,thats a You-Problem. I dont have that isue at all. I would argue the MAJROITY, which is a distinctly-different word from MINORITY, has no problem not having their personal taste interefere with their debate "Many Authors dont care. And whats the use of Consistency anyway." Nonsensee. The better a Work of Fiction, the more ocherent it is. The more coherent is, the better. This is basic knowledge about the planet oyu live on, cmmon "Look, a time where an Author didnt care or didnt notice somethingg" Continueing with the non-arguemnts, i see? Yes, pointing at an exception has never ther ability to disprove the larger Trend/Picture

​@@nenmaster5218you see debates about mk1 power scaling? It is 100% biased

That “will power up” is a real thing, but it’s presented ridiculously in the media

Powerscaling is just shipping for guys

@@kingjiggle4th789 yes

they're two sides of the same coin

​@@kingjiggle4th789who said guys cant ship

@@beakslololol4347They can by all means, but it’s less common because of gender roles. Ya know? The classic “girls into romance, guys into violence”. It’s terribly toxic on both sides, two sides of the same coin.

This is unironically the modern shonen anime community

hello mr strange journey

just tell them main character is God who turned human so he could understand there struggles you can say that for every character in fiction Mr Simpson yes house monk so that makes them all universal

@@daraghokane4236 Haruhi Suzumiya

I like your pic

Worse still, Marvel and DC (but *specially* DC) discussions devolve into "Superman crossed the boundaries of peepee-poopoo transfartversal realm of existence and non-existence, thus going beyond the concepts of space and time and by consequence transcending beyond the very concept of speed itself which becomes irrelevant!" And no, I'm not making this up. Sort of... the foul language is obviously inaccurate, but the rest is pretty much on point almost word by word with certain scaling channels. Which I mean, are they wrong? Eh, technically not because DC is just THAT ridiculous and stupid. Is it still internally incoherent to the point of making little logical sense narratively that it becomes hard to take such feats as seriously as scalers do? Yes, yes it is.

​​@@mekingtiger9095 "gamora sucked on thanos's left ballsack and became so powerfull she could kill gods by quuefing in their direction" this right here is how absurd the comics get, and ofcourse people will take the strongest version of the character no matter how garbage it is

@@specificocean4176 I get your point but why her father bro 😭

Metaphysical scaling is udder bullshit and scales nowhere

Oh, don't forget about multiversal van

And only when the characters are in the same universe (or multiverse ig)

@@OmniversalInsect I think you can compare characters from different universes you just need more concrete numbers to compare since you can't derive a chain of scaling.

i hate batman but he is absolutely destroying goku kid

I don't take match ups as seriously as power scalers do with stupid math, I just take what lore we are given, what their possible capabilities are in an unbiased way. I love halo and I would prefer the master chief to doomguy. This is because master chief is a better written character who can be relatable whereas the doomslayer has the emotional relatability and potential of a brick. But realistically, while the master chief more or less saved humanity from the covenant, he is still only a human supersoldier who is lorewise just as killable as any other Spartan, but the doomslayer is canonically an unkillable demi god that literally cannot be destroyed. It is a standing joke that the doomslayer killed thousands of demons with his shotgun and then he found some ammo for it. The doomslayer would wipe the floor with master chief.

@@tobleroneilluminati5048 if someone if bringing up cardinals and bullshit like that the person you are talking to is just trying to overwhelm you with terms. Occasionally scalers might make a calc just to understand something that might not have direct statements but most of what you've described is actually applicable to a lot what makes sense in power scaling. Ultimately it's just a hobby, a different way to talk about your favorite series and characters, I don't think scalers take themselves too seriously but they do make an honest attempt at making the best argument or interpretation they can, at least the good scalers

I'd rather read 'he can really move" or "as fast as plot" than MFTL+++ ultra (not infinite I swear)

@@doohickeyhandy758nah that's a fallacy bro

@@funnybones98 fuck 'fallacies' let people have fun if they're genuinely trying to have fun.

@@doohickeyhandy758 i was making fun of powerscalers saying infinity is a fallacy

@@funnybones98 I know. Just giving my op-

ass soul ops games > powerscaling

Average Hydroman W

Co2 solos

literally puppet in fazbear frights (tho its not a comicbook)

water is outerversal

@@sweetsweetkhajoor fr

You have no idea how much this irks my nerves whenever I see/hear that. The reaching is crazy. It's especially bad in cases where it's mainly a videogame thing because of technical limitations or to save time. Like when they did Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead and they tried to say Dragonborn's magical arrowshot blocking out the sun instantly meant it moved beyond lightspeed. Bro, what? That's just the devs making the effect go off without taking ridiuclously long. Who wants to sit there and actually wait for that effect to go off in real time?

​@@ShogunPlasmaWhat you blaming Death Battle for? People were hating on them because they wouldn't do power scaling in the early seasons.

@@yusifudo46 I'm not sure what the point of this comment even was because it sounds like an unnecessary one. Power Scaling only works when it is used correctly. 9.5/10 it is not. The problem with early Death Battle was that they did little to no research into the characters. It doesn't necessarily have to do with Power Scaling in itself.

@@ShogunPlasma You brought up a Death Battle match and complaining about points they brought up. All I said is they're only doing that stuff now because people gave them flack for not power scaling before. Thought I was transparent obviously

@@yusifudo46 I don't see the issue here. I used an actual example from Death Battle to prove my point. This has nothing to do with people complaining about them not using Power Scaling before. This is about the fact that the way people chose to Power Scale is literally stupid and ignorant. It's literally just "conveinence" for the sake of an argument.

i know right.

Tbf, most 40k weapons that are standard issue to guardsmen are fucking broken and I ain’t even talking about their artillery.

@@vceisdead I recommend Elder Scrolls: Redguard the Graphic Novel.

​​@@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666 Right like everyone loves to make fun of Lasguns while forgetting that if they were dropped into any other fictional world they'd be power weapons.

@@RipRLeeErmey Here here. Lasguns, In addition to being Borderlands pattern Legendary Guns with bullshit range and power, can be recharged via mere heat alone(in some instances, most of the time, some guardsmen just chuck the lazpacks into fires and it works) in addition to having over 300-400 plus shots.

I think it depends on the character. Dr Manhattan is the best example

Thunder McQueen is an effective antagonist because "draw" isn't good enough for his target, since that would mean dying.

Dbz and Dbs in a nutshell

Damn, that's a nice parallel. I always thought the Roman Empire to be overrated to the extreme. I never really understood why so many people on the internet put it on a pedestal, but then it finally occurred to me: They only ever talk about Rome's military and only their military and its historical real life feats. It was when I realized and went "Ooooooh, they're *those* type of people who only care about the concept of 'cool action' and strength and might". Yeah, look, I do hate feminists and always will, but at times I do wonder whether their views of "toxic masculinity" aren't actually somewhat at least indirectly influenced by immature people like these acting like 14 year olds engaging in PP measuring contests.

the nazi germany thing is more so just a "yeah they were defeated, but what if I was the one commanding that army. could I have won?" like a sort of messed up underdog story cuz we know now that they failed in the end. or u know how people are morbidly fascinated with dictators, serial killers and those types of things like how there's more interest in demons and hell and demonic lore over angels and heaven and all that

​@@xaevius5319 So they're just your typical HOI4 player?

@@mekingtiger9095 idk what that is but i guess so

@@xaevius5319 It's a historical map simulation strategy videogame set in WW2 where you control any nation of your choosing during the time period managing the country's military, diplomacy, trade and resources. But mostly the military at a division scale. And the amount of Germany fanboys who go "If I was in command of the Wehrmacht, Germamy would've won!" that game created or attracted to the community is honestly staggering.

Don't agree

@@Eminsterwym u don’t agree

I don’t agree

@@Eminster No reasoning, no explanation, no sharing. Just "DoNT aGreE" flawless argument dude

@@Genther ikr? Its amazing

Now I want someone to power scale this

⁠@@irex4720Thor low-diffs Jesus, but Jesus keeps resurrecting. Meanwhile, Thor is fated to die during Ragnarok, so eventually Jesus wins. Some may argue that Jesus could call upon the power of Yahweh who they will claim is omnipotent, and therefore he wins, but actually Yahweh couldn't even beat an army with iron chariots in the Old Testament, so claims of his omnipotence are overstated. Jesus does have the advantage of being able to calm storms, so Thor's lightning powers might be ineffective, but Thor still has a massive hammer and superhuman strength. The only chance Jesus has of winning without relying on his resurrection powers and waiting for Thor to die to Ragnarok is if his transmutation powers are able to work on Thor's body directly, or if he can curse Thor like he cursed the fig tree. If his magic is effective, he could, for example, turn Thor's blood into wine, which would kill him instantly. Jesus's healing powers demonstrate that his abilities can be used on humans, but it's not clear if Thor would be able to resist such attacks using his own magic. I think he would be able to.

They literally have this convo in Vinland Saga

Of course he could because Thor is a fallen angel.

Dayum, I see that the practice of nerding out about scales of power is a much more ancient practice than I initially thought it would be.

Fr 90% of them just use this for debunk

Now that Word is mine, thanks.

Ive decided to try power scaling.. so far its awful I mean every point in the video is good and i agree But its so funny seing these people rage and simp that much. Worst part is i have to keep going or else he will stop and dang is he goofy. I said i respect him for the hustle etc and he became toxic

Agreed

I am from the godzilla comunity to and one thing that happens..as.. FUCK ITS MISINFORMATION DAMN BRO FOR ME POWER SCALERS MISINFORMATION THEY SOMETIMES MAKE AN A UNDERRATED CHARACTER TO A FUCKING OVERRATED CHARACTER and its sad that those clown exist i mean i know not all power scalers are like this but damn seriously

they just aren't objective or honest when scaling characters they can't even admit when they don't actually know something because the series doesn't give enough info but consider pure speculation as fact a character could be far stronger than what series implies etc. or weaker.

Some of it is just writing getting more crazy. Multiverses are more common then they use to so characters are getting more crazy feats and such

@@achimpanzee9210 I agree but alot of scalers just aren't honest and think they are right when there is other ways to look at things

This is nothing new. Batman Has some multiversal level feats under his belt. Spider man has knocked out some of galactus's heralds, who are shown to be strong enough to swim through stars in 70's. It's just that early power scalers had restraint And understood what outliers are and knew that some feats are just done for a rule of cool. They rated a character based on how strong they're consistently shown in their media. An idea that most modern power scalers I spoke to absolutely hates Because they believe that rating a character on how strong they are consistently is downplaying.

"Even Death Battle" DB was never a good source and the Stone Free feat demonstrates it. Their ability to interpret situations is leagues below their ability to do basic trigonometry.

Covid 19 is smaller than bacteria, and you know how much it wrecked the most powerful species in this world lmao

yeah lol

Except the robots and cyber characters

Ultra Instinct Goku VS Heart Disease

​@@slavishentity6705heart disease negs

I was thinking the meteors would have.

I was thinking the exact same thing

Inb4: The prison is actually Continental level and that's why it was able to contain her.

It could only make sense if the meteors are illusions or something. Or just balls of rock and fire that are made in the air and then fall down, rather than actually being pulled from other space. Because that scene is completely ridiculous: any meteor big enough not to burn up in the atmosphere would do way more damage than depicted

Your first mistake was using logic. In powerscaling, nothing can ever be scaled down. That isn't a joke. It's on Omniversal Battlefield. It's the first and most important rule. This means that the prison would actually just be upscaled to like multi-continental if not planetary.

Don't blame the power scaler. Blame bad writing😂

@@shizsker54 that's the problem, they care about powerscalling more then a good story, for example there is an articale and i am not joking, made SCP 096 immessrubale speed and strengh amd destroyd a galexy by jumping, like what was wrong with the old story

@@sparta-zh7yk not what I meant

​@@shizsker54 I don't know, bro. A rather good portion of these bad writers seems to be powerscalers engaging in a D measuring contest to see who's the "stronkest". Obviously not all power scalers are like that, but the community at large tends to a breeding pit for a lot of bad apples that then go out of their nest to wander the exterior world and then spread their influence for some reason. Sorry if might have generalized it a bit, but holy, are these individual bad apples annoying.

1. Sounds like a you problem I how strong a character is determins your enjoyment of a story 2. Most scp stories don't focus on powerscaleing

The "powerscaling betrays the media" argument is very baffling to me. Like, yeah? The point was never to make an official story of a character, it was just to see who would be able to win in a fight, given all accounts. People who take it too seriously are silly, yeah, but that's said about just about every hobby.

@@defectivesickle5643 Again, I'm a power-scaler and I kind of agree/disagree, if you take it too seriously (as in getting legitmately heated in a debate that you chose to participate in.) I wouldn't say that, but in the context that "This shit won't happen ever, but lets talk about it anyway." is a very good way to look at it.

So called batman fans/ batwankers really ruined batman as a character for me.

If that’s all it takes to ruin his character to you then you never enjoyed his character to begin with

yeah and with powerscalers, you'd forget Batman is supposed to be a human being as all the feats clearly state his intellect is above human level, which kinda defeats the whole point of the character

goon points a laser gun in a very telegraphed way and shoots character, character sees that in time and avoid the shot. powerscalers: HE DODGED A LASER, HE IS FTL!

One piece fans be like.

@@hunternot exactly! I've always wanted to say that and one piece is my favorite anime! now I'm going to leave before the comment war starts. good luck

​@@hunternotat least now luffy has actual ftl feats against kizaru

This Is so true especially for shonens. Idc how strong they are, they see a bunch of teens moving at breakneck Speed and go "Faster than light" I literally saw some Naruto fans saying that 12 year old Sasuke was faster than light because he was faster than Haku Or One piece fans "He Is faster than light" for every character beucase...i don't know honestly

Power scalers on their way to call a Universe destroyer a Fodder because it can’t destroy a Multiverse

Same with Kratos fans whenever they bring the argument of him killing gods when pretty much the characters he is going against can literally do the same

​@@AuroraBoostIt's funny because Kratos was literally struggling against Zeus and even initially losing, yet Kratos fanboys act like he easily killed him.

Well, Kirby WAS the only character to escape the beams of light in Smash Ultimate.

Yes, because the creator loves Kirby and decided they should. Kirby ALSO gets horribly wounded just from a simple waddle-d walking into them at 3 miles per hour. @@user-vi4xy1jw7e

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e ok but A. Sakurai stated that several other characters (specifically Bayonetta and Palutena) could have escaped but chose to only have Kirby survive since he’s a beginner character for players to use for the mode. B. Kirby temporarily phasing out of existence as Galeem destroys the universe is kind of an arse pull on Sakurai’s part since he’s never done that in his games and that whole bit is based on an animation in the intro of Super Star. C. World of Light is entirely non-canon to the fighters in the game and Galeem’s power is kind of questionable (he can apparently destroy the universe and remake all of it in his image but gets one-shot by Sephiroth and gets beaten by any character you choose to fight him with) so who’s to say what would actually happen

Crazy

​@@isaiahjoseph7352actually crazy wth 💀💀💀

Oh my...

damn

Lmao

Not really lol

Scp fans trying not to mention fanmade fodder when they get btfod in an argument

@@billyboleson2830 this is laughable because scp has a cc license and is canon if your talking about stuff like omniversal 682 then I agree as an scp fan

I usually don't take SCP powerscaling that seriously because of its lack of official canon. I guess some people could try to take slme of the more OP versions of 682 and powerscale those specific versions and that's fine. Besides, it isn't really the fault of powerscalers that SCP got completely ruined. Powerscalers just look at characters alrwady written and determine their power levels *after* their creation. Although I will agree that 682's writing is idiotic as hell. The thing went from "yo, dis lizard do be Wolverine" to literally unkillable eldritch horror above all other eldritch horrors imaginable except 2935. But I guess that what you need to keep 682 relevant after the writers have upped the stakes of the SCP verse to complete ridiculousness.

@@mekingtiger9095 someone hasn't read the canon hub or scp 4010

Debate freaks aren't scriptwriters so it's clear that it would turn out that way.

Batman has 9999 failsafes and even a thing called failsafe, the only prep he needs is being a version with all the bullshit weird shit, like the weird light magic knowing of the anime and shit. A lot of times he hasnt had prep but because he was so well versed he was able to adapt. As long as he doesn't pull 'i win' out his ass it's fine. Just assume he knows everything a human like him would know, trying everything anti-alien or strange rituals. I'd put him as a no weakness version of base superman in difficulty to beat, while superman has further forms and strange stuff himself and batman can beat a basic superman that's just a bit pissy due to basically just having his 'i win' button on him keeping him low power. For instance, spiderman vs superman if spiderman has kryptonite webbing, there needs to be a 'i win' button clause or omething.

@@yourdemiseishere even then that’s still mainly stemming from bias writers. Justice league animated series was the start of all this Batman bias nonsense putting him above everyone else. Yeah nowadays he has all these plans for stronger characters but back in the day Batman got his ass beat all the time ! And it was awesome! Seeing him have to get back up was better because it showed that he was still human and wasn’t the perfect fighter he is now

My favorite batman -justice league moment his him taking green lanterns ring

Pretty much any popular version of Batman is 100% superhuman in their own universe, though. Like genuinely fucking ridiculous things they do, which defeat the whole point of the character IMO. Arkham Batman: Robert Pattinson and Christian Bales Batmans are perfectly done, though.

@@t-rex1959 arkham origins batman was a FUCKING *MENACE*

Lmao this is so hilarious.😂

This is the best analogy

Different kind of damage output. Serrated knife can make much more horrid wounds because...well, it's serrated. Still, it depends on who's using them. If you give the butter knife to a human, abd the serrated knife to an octopus (assuming the octopus can only attack with it and nothing else), the human with the butter knife would win. ...ah, but yeah, I guess I get what you mean. This is dumb, haha.

The point of powerscaling would be to figure out that the serrated blade can also kill someone with one attack to the eye, so their damage potential must be measured some other way.

And thus two comments have proven how cringe power scaling is!

Anti powerscalling mfs when they realize that we know what plot armor is but we just remove it in debates because we want to make the fight as fair as possible

​@@pawelmatuszczyk2481"anti power scalling mfs " 🤓☝️

​@@sylver1146genius counterpoint

@@Jeff_Biden powerscallers are asinine

Oldest powerscaler: 👶🏻

DC's TOAA , Marvel'a Artist, Tolkien's al-iluvitar (basically tolkein himself) are example of this.

I agree stan lee put it best at one point when he made his rant against power scaling, which I found very therapeutic that the winner is the one that writer whats to win as a future comic creator I was worried about how strinf should I make my characters and how to still make it make sense but thanks from advice from my mother about just having faith in God and stan lee words helped me power scaling and bringing in the multiverse and trying to make characters super powerful all time is a what is now ruining fiction now I mean people are now bringing in the omniverse now which is now making this a bigger mess so follow the advice of some of the old greats and just have faith in yourself as a creator and whatever deity you believe because all you and those we worship in our religion truly know what we are capable of and both know well what we make is fiction it as only as powerful as we want to make it from silly toons to the greatest heroes in anime

What's kind of frustrating about this type of point is it's something that people who enjoy power scaling know, it's just not relevant to the hobby. Both parties know if they were to exist in the same story whoever wrote it would decide who wins, it's not some grand revelation that that's the case. If I'm comparing Goku and Superman I care about how each writer went about their own story and how they portrayed each character. Saying "it doesn't matter the writer chooses anyway" is just as reductive and frustrating as when "could he beat Goku" is brought up in other contexts.

@@winden-3685 I agree I want my stories to stand on their own and not be compared to others in power that just ruins everything

Funny you say that because in one comic, deadpool killed the writers

Lmao

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LMAO

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Fr man

The definition of a child

yeah

That's deep 🤔

Well, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a bit of speculation for pure fun, but ultimately we are here for the story. If anything distracts you from the story being told, then it's probably not worth obsessing over.

This is rather insightful

Bro got an epiphany on gamefaqs

Not really, it’s just acknowledging that the writer has the power which if you ask me is pretty fucking obvious to the point of making it the opposite of insightful.

dude you ain't lying

No yeah if you let something as stupid as an argument about power scaling change how you look at a series, the problem is you, not the power scalers themselves.

Just ignore them lmao waste of time speaking to silly goons it’s no use

I have heard so many “goku solos” that I don’t even wanna watch dbz like damn if bros that op I don’t really care watching it

Someone hasn't read the tales. and many scp power scalers say to separate it enjoy the story and power scale it if you like it simple also if your story or scp is bad it's removed and op scps are the most common removed

@@dereck9736 SCP "content" thats based outside the entries themselves are all effectively just contradictory fan fiction. Hell the fact that they have whats basically a committee deciding that 682 and SK should get nerfed if the most laughable shit ive ever heard its some striaght old testament vs new testament shit

@@MILDMONSTER1234 thanks for showing that you don't read scp at all if anything scp 682 and sk are stronger then ever and any contradictions can be fixed or understood the fact you say this shows your lack of knowledge Also I can tell your one of those reddit atheists

Scp 3143 Murphy law is a good example of this,he's a character that can create his own story/plot but he usually always gets subverted and challenged (and sometimes even beaten) by characters within the story due to his adherence to detective/mystery narratives,but all power scalers see is "he's literally on par with the author" and the only thing that ever gets discussed online is how he could no diff all of fiction or whatever

@@dereck9736 >scp fan calling anyone an edgy redditor O I’m laffin. SCP “canon” is effectively just canon by committee and even then just by the nature of scp being open to anyone because there’s no copyright any person can make up a story on ao3 of a chicken one shotting mr scarlet or another super op entry or better yet a book since any idiot can basically do anything with the fake lore people made up.

+2

I agree with you. I don't understand why people try to criticize this method by calling it "arbitrary" when like... The whole point of imagining matchups is arbitrary in the first place!

Agreed, but there is another path that’s equally interesting. Powerscaling low power characters against high power, and trying to justify the low powers victory via increasingly convoluted methods like mr bean vs Superman

Honestly goated comment. Completely agree with you

I like power scaling and using feats but I’m still confused on why people use a feat that likely isn’t just meant to either look cool or progress the story then it becomes difficult like with deku from mha he’s mostly definitely not light speed if you look at the bigger picture but because he dodged lasers in one scene he’s considered light speed by some people i hope I typed this in a understand way but I probably didn’t cause I suck at this

As someone who has read Journey to the West, Sun Wukong is in fact hilariously overpowered. The whole point is that he has to learn humility and how to use his powers for good, which is why he gets casually bitchslapped by Buddha and then controlled by Sanzang with a magic headache circlet. Also that whole thing about him being limited to the physical plane, so the reason he gets clapped by Buddha is that Buddha is one with the universe. It's like if your toenail suddenly decided to rebel, it can't beat something it's a part of.

@@Duothimir That's all well and good, but the powerscalers don't actually care about that context. They take his power in a vacuum and go on and on about how he can solo every other fictional character, which leads back to the grievances of this video where we have similar circlejerking with Goku and Batman. It's like they care more about his power than his actual character.

@@TheCrimsonElite666 Well yeah, that's why context is important.

​@@Duothimirthat shows people care about their strength then their character

​@@hype5456 people say: "he can do that" But people don't ask: "would he actually do that?"

The embodiment of:

@@Unnamed_user888 ?

once you bring set theory into it you go into writing debate levels of pretentiousness im ngl

Bro someone got swatted over one of the most clear cut debates in fiction? Damn im glad im not involved with that.

​@@BobThePenguin.Power scalers are just that toxic

🗣️ 💯 Literally everything you said I what I’ve seen on discord. Used to think Fictional VS debates were awesome among people who are good faith, but then you enter the discord scene and run into of younger scalers who are either toxic, don’t know how to debate, and a lot of times just both.

Uncle grampa solos goku change my mind

yeah im not a fan of those kinds of characters that are capable of sneezing away a whole universe for no reason whatsoever, and they end up looking like the same brown haired, no interesting features, anime protagonist like the rest of them, i cant even tell them all apart. i want to see them gain their power, put in the effort and try their hardest, and have a unique character design please i beg

@@koboldwizard Sorry, bub, when you put value in the power of a character rather than the character itself, don't expect much attention to be put into the actual character.

@@buzter8135he was agreeing?

@@buzter8135???

@@funnybones98 I know, I was being sarcastic.

"And now, the whole existence of the boundless outerverse lies at my hand, i can destr-" _gets hit with a toothpick_

Check out a manga called My Instant Death Ability Is So Overpowered, No One in This Other World Stands a Chance Against Me! It's pretty much what you're talking about. At one point the main character is driving across a desert and the mangaka takes the chance to explain how the world exists in a multiverse and is at the whims of a giant multiversal fish who devours entire worlds and can see the future. The fish got bored of just eating and so started inserting itself as a character into these worlds and doing stuff using it's foresight ability like leading armies. But because the army it was leading happened to be in the way of the main character, the MC killed the fish just by thinking about it.

They'd still find ways to scale him below Kratos and the like.

For absolutely no reason too 😂 other than to argue and take some anger out or something

@@dillianevan4200 fax. it starts slowly, sneaking in snarky remarks here n there, and then it just raises to actual death threats 💀

Fr lmfao mfs just switch to "Slams" "Negs" (Totally not me)

That's why I cut out the middle man and just insult power scalers directly. Delusional pricks.

They always bring family into this 😂

"Goku solos though" -🤓🤓🤓

Just entertaining a match up ends up turning into a redditor superiority match with insulting intelligence

"Either this or they are so in love with characters that don’t exist because nobody that exists in real life loves them." Best roast ive heard for debaters

But that isn't exclusive to debaters, powerscaling itself is fine, some people are assholes, others are not, why is this such a hard thing for most to grasp?

That last part sent the fuck outta me 😂😂

Dragon Ball Super actually played with it a bit.

The whole idea of "toon force" is so funny, because you acknowledge that certain characters' abilities can vary wildly based on what's cool/funny/emotionally satisfying, but you stop just short of figuring out what that actually _means._

i remember seeing a tumblr post that actually depicted Bugs vs Thanos, and it had Bugs disguised as airport security and he was ushering Thanos through a metal detector. obviously this means he needs to remove his personal belongings....

​@@Dominator150395 Everytime I hear "toonforce" I immediately step away from whatever conversation, video or thread I was currently watching because I *know* there will be so many contradictions in the scaling methods that I'd rather spare myself from the frustration of having my brain melt away from pure cringe.

​@@Dominator150395somebody worded it in a way I always meant to, thank chrisy

Shout to the weirdoes replying to every comment spamming the same “this video is bad” post lol

Are they really that mad?

@@acidity2k486yea I saw surfbone talking about this video

​@@theelitecipherfan300dude2surfbone is bullshit

@@acidity2k486 yeah they started turning into incompetent chronically fatherless online virgin incel losers spamming their dusty keyboards. Happens frequently

"uhm actually,he'd be wall level"

@@SenseiThat "but what if he's blood lusted?"

@@ShouldaWoulda "Outerversal lowballed, Boundless with wank."

That drywall came from a dream world of infinite imagination and each of those imagination has unlimited space and unlimited possibilities. That means that breaking that drywall makes him outerversal and boundless.

and Kyle yelled at his mom who can turn the lights on which means she’s faster than light but since Kyle yelled at her he clearly isn’t afraid of a FTL entity which scales him extremely faster than light and since light is real and he is in a story this also makes him boundless

Lex Luthor runs for president and wins because he gets votes, why didn't superman just punch him, pis superman could easily have over thrown the US government and made himself god King only reason he didn't was so the plot could happen.

This angers me greatly.

I mean the consistency of a character's power level should obviously be well, consistent? Having adult Goku get hurt by bullets when as a child they don't scratch him, is just dumb and confuses readers. Like I get what you are saying about people being nerds but the powerscaling in-universe should at least be coherent.

@@yakone1163I dont think it needs to as long as it tells a good story

To be fair, I am a believer that yes, power scaling generally SHOULD be somewhat self consistent. Specially in more plot centered arcs and action scenes. Otherwise you get thrown off by very stupid writing and lose any real sense of stakes and expectations. The biggest, most flagrant example of this being CW's The Flash. A good story also needs to keeps its own rules somewhat consistent to a degree so as to not require far too much suspencion of disbelief to become watchable. It can also become super jarring if a character with a destructive potential to crack islands with their own normal punches suddenly can't even bust a wall with no given explanation for that. That would be awful magic system writing unless you have deliberately written the strength level associated with it to be utterly random for some reason. That said, stories also don't need to have total 100% accuracy and consistency like these nerds demand to have. You should allow yourself to have some bit of narrative freedom and flexibility or otherwise there would no story at all to begin with.

i actually saw ppl discussion tht on a discord server in the past

Batman would definetly not fight superman either? Except if sups was evil or something like in Injustice. But you are not wrong in some very specific situations batman could beat him. But i never get those arguments. I thought in those "Who wins in a fight" arguments are supposed to be fair. Stupidly unfair ones are just annoying. So yeah i guess Batman could beat Goku if the saiyan was sleeping after eating poisoned food lol😂.

In vs debating it is always assumed that it’s an equal fight. Flat and neutral terrain, no preparation time and both start out in their peak condition. Kinda like how professional sports matches go (except for the final part, you can hardly do anything about it).

Batsy doesn’t kill Either and Supes is also hyper intelligent and could just sic his bots at Bruce. Just sayin’

Superman's admitted he's purposely let Batman win.

I've been preaching this for years and I get nothing but shit for bringing up variables. Out here doing god's work.

People forget why crossover fights happen in the first place For entertainment

Crazy scenarios is the best part of powerscaling vids "Wobbuffet powerscales above goku" is correct but only because it techincally always hits twice as hard as the enemy

​@@asierx7047And I love goofy shit like that

Yeah, this is the true essence of power scaling. Well, it is also very fun to make people mad on the internet, half of the reason I have ever dabbled in powerscaling is because arguing with dumb people can occasionally be really fun.

​@@asierx7047wobbufett has countered attacks from actual gods in pokemon (in the hoppa movie) so he could probably do it xd

Yes, duning kruger effect: You know so little about the Topic you think its really silly. To quote Forrest-Valkai "I get why you think Evolution is fake. I think you were told a watered-down version of it and im gonna be straight with you: If somoeone told me Eovlution works like they told (=lied) to you, i would genuinly not believe it"

@@slevinchannel7589 1. No, this is not the Dunning Kruger effect. I am not assuming I know everything there is about powerscaling, I am stating how I feel about powerscaling. 2. Please learn to spell properly before you begin to format your messages as though you're "superior" to someone else. It's actually a prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect you just so happened to mention. 3. Despite me not knowing very much about powerscaling, it's not as though I necessarily require that much knowledge about it to be upset at it. Because I've heard several powerscalers of various ages use those terms unironically. I've seen them ruin communities and annoy people to absurd lengths just for these characters. Even if those were somehow "flukes" or "false powerscalers", they still exist. 4. I still have no idea what you're trying to disprove here.

@@generallyupsetfetus Yeah, adittedly you DID phrase it as "Never made sense to Me" but it's still a pretty bad, biased, reeking-of-0-knowledge coment Im not picking on you for no reaosn duh Simply put, powerscaling makes no f-ing sense to oyu cause you dont understnad itand this laughed-at video here did not help

@@slevinchannel7589 I feel as though you prove my point as to why powerscalers are incoherent to me.

@@slevinchannel7589 1. Stop insulting Forrest Valkai by comparing your science illiterate nonsense with evolution. 2. Dude, make an actual argument.

I like “guy in a bat suit who’s good at solving crimes and has fancy gadgets” Batman more than “I’m a super genius give me enough time and I can kill 200 gods with a mechanical spoon I invented” Batman

Honestly my favorite Batman stories are still the ones where he's more detective and less super hero.

@@mittycommitspizzatime92 Same.

Batman having to catch up to power creep :/

I miss when Detective Comics Comics did Detective, Cop, Government, CSI, etc. type of characters in Mystery, Action, etc. Nowadays, it feels like Every single person including Writers are more focused on How strong a character is.

Ichigo is the king of 1v1 he seems to be made to fight others think about it

His power isnt even blockable because its spirt energy no one but soul reapers can block his attacks. That's just his attacks

You powered up? He has 8 power ups all increasing his power by 70 times each.

Base form human ichigo is combat train and atleast able to take arc one naruto in base human form bare handed. Bro is the goat

Ichigo hits bankai and any other protag dies. Barion mode was made to compete with bankai. And super sayain god was made to compete with bankai. Ichigo still can just go bankai + hollow mask meaning even after other Shonen authors made their charaters stronger Ichigo is still the best.

Calm debating is like arguing but with breeze

Fellow powerscaler, specifically for mainly nintendo and sega characters, and I must say there is no such thing as a "calm debate" in those sections of the internet, even if you're at peak respect. So unless you're debating with a saint you get screamed at and insulted.

well no debates are more calm in general compared to arguments. Arguments are usually more heated debates. Thats really about it.@@ohhellwhereami2574

@@TheKoopaKingBowser Eh if people get really personal I leave the debate and move on. I've met some really nice powerscalers, tho it's VERY VERY rare

As a powerscaler, I find women boring as hell. This isn’t misogyny, that term doesn’t begin to describe the disdain I hold for them.

Powerscaling is fun if you focus on coming up with interesting scenarios instead on absolute results.

​@@kindlingking100% agreed. People being way too serious about debating fictional characters is one of the reasons why I stopped power scaling, I simply can't comprehend how someone can get toxic over something as pointless as this. Looking back at my experiences with power scaling it's mostly been a dread-fest. Something that was supposed to be fun just ends up drawing in some very toxic people 📎

@@kindlingking facts, this too.

Hello my fellow squirrel. 🐿️ While I sorta agree, I do think trying to genuinely compare two interesting characters from completely different universes is an interesting thing to do. Like for instance, who would solve the Kira case faster between L and Batman. For me, that’s interesting because they’re both incredibly intelligent detectives but have different ways and tools to utilize. Something that seemingly close would be interesting to find out who’s legitimately better. But that’s a scenario with more nuance and subtitly so if you just want to imagine fun fights between two powerhouses, I don’t think it’s worth getting that technical about it. Just do like a loose mix of rp and power scaling and play a fight through.

@@kindlingking 🗣️ 💯

Powerscalers are the reason I'm better at that.

I mean it depends on what kind of speedster. Some of them are explicitly always ludicrously fast (red rush), but certain iterations are not. Some versions of the flash for instance need to 'channel' the speed force or whatever to actually go fast, whereas other versions are just speedy bois who should be untouchable. Obviously a lot of writers/powerscalers fuck up the ideas of speedsters in terms of the logic behind it, like you said.

I actually find this incredibly frustrating because it's kind of just bad writing most of the time.

And to be fair, it comes with the territory of analyzing fictional characters based on real science and calculations. Because an author focuses on what looks cool or fits for a story, it means even the most human characters can have some broken qualities to them which in that case? I think it's best to take it in stride and have fun with it. For instance, a subject with Death Battle people miss is that it's mostly for entertainment. The analysis sections and so on show this because it's not a dry rundown of everyone's feats, it's a back-and-forth between a mad scientist and a gun leg sporting beer-lover going over a character's story while cracking jokes along the way. It's why in part I'd say they get lax with stuff like say compositing or whatever, because the freedom to explore some of the more insane factoids just makes for more fulfilling fun videos then just sitting there as one guy just drones on about how X is FTL because they avoided a laser and yada yada yada.

Why is 500mph a reason why flashtime doesn’t make sense. In order to run that fast without killing himself he’d NEED flashtime

@zzodysseuszz I don't mean slowing down, I mean completely frozen. He had a full confession to Iris and she heard nothing, saw nothing and the sugar she was putting in her tea was completely still. That's not 500mph

@@The0-2DemonKing and also the time he basically stopped a nuke for like 6 hours of flash time and some episodes later they are like you are 80 times slower than the speed of light and a couple seasons later they are like "yep, your maximun is mach 10"

@@rockargen9591 FR

If that was all at accurate speeds, then anime would literally suck lol. Sure it would be cool to see a character move so fast and deck a character in the face, but an anime consisting of ENTIRELY that gets stale.

Aaaaah, the entire reason I love when people bash The Flash so much when I don't have enough powerscaling bashing content to directly enjoy.

lmaoo thats so true! some ppl ACTUALY believe this, its complete INSANITY! i saw one youtube video once saying that spider man is faster than light because he dodged an gunshot that blasted a lighting at his direction.

That's because Lasers in most series aren't actual Lasers, but power scalers ignore that completly

​@@lucasfelipe8349The ones in vsbw dont though.

everybody understands that tho. It's still written with certain FTL characters being stronger or faster than other FTL characters. You have to assume that the comparison is higher dimensional or multiversal or the universe they're fighting in works differently from ours for it to make sense. It's trying to make sense of the logic used within the story itself

@@Lightning_Lance No, you see, any character that can move FTL, not only has infinite energy, but the moment they accelerate any part of their body to that speed would instantly destroy the entire univerese. So the power scalers use all these quations but forget the most famous one E = mc2

@@thomasthetankengine7449 To be fair, there are ramifications like that well below the speed of light.

My favorite example is the Naruto fandom & Might Guy. I watched certain members of that fandom argue until they were blue in the face that everyone must be high hypersonic by the time the Shippuden came around because they were scaling off vague "faster than eyesight" feats from the beginning of the series and would adamantly argue that the laws of thermodynamics (that say anything approaching Mach 5 will start experiencing spontaneous combustion from friction with the air) don't apply because it would disprove any notion of anyone reaching Mach 5 or higher without direct teleportation at any point in the series... Then Might Guy used the Morning Peacock attack on Kisame and proved unequivocally that the laws of thermodynamics absolutely do apply because that's what the move is: punching so fast that the air catches fire around his fists. The only other move shown to be faster is Guy's Night Guy, which was shown to create a pressure-wave in front of the attack that appears to distort the space in front of the user.

As a power scaler who hasn't gone mad yet I suppose, but I do not associate with them mfs.

Everyone talking about power scaling, how about who's the smartest fictional character with realistic feats.

​@@davidarvingumazon5024Well people actually debate about that too

No, thats MauLer fans. Powerscalers would just wank off the inexperienced team after such a crazy feat, and then SethTheProgrammer would make a 69 minute video trying to calculate the inexperienced team's untapped potential.

@@four-en-tee Oh, God. I *love* SethTheProgrammer's content but in an entirely ironic manner. The sheer amount of mental gymnastics he tends to engage with is so funny it ends up being meme worthy. He's basically as stereotypical as the average powerscaler often gets with his "logic" and thought process and I'm subscribed to him just to laugh at it. It kind of taps into something I've read this from Justin Alicea, a frequent commenter on Death Battle's videos: The biggest problem with most power scalers is that they tend to overcomplicate their scaling stuff to an extremely unnecessary degree such that it becomes a hilarious parody of itself.

The best moments in Death Battle are the ones that have interesting character moments during the fights. Like Obi-Wan seeing Darth Vader in the illusion Kakashi produced, or that one scene of Sauron going into his giant eye form vs the Lich King using the Eye of Acherus, or pretty much all of Snake vs. Sam Fisher.

I never get what scenario people imagine. You don't just smack two action figures against eachother, every fight in any story is a scenario. Jojo's is a great example for this, as most of the villains are only a threat because of the specific scenario the characters find themselves in. I find it much more interesting to think of stories where it actually makes sense for characters to fight eachother, except most protagonists wouldn't fight other protagonists except maybe a misunderstanding (the goofiest reason for an all out fight). A bunch of years ago when one punch man was super popular, all the goku fanboys came out their caves to state that goku is stronger, as if that meant anything. All i could think about though, is that Saitama wouldn't want to fight goku because he's a weirdo and then they'd go shopping and cook food.

@@BaronB.BlazikenBaronOfBarons yeah the whole of beerus vs sailor galaxia , or the little moment with saitama vs popeye when he finally has a real fight ... those are the moments i honestly remember , the rest is mostly garbage ...

That’s what fights in a story should be at all

@@davidegaruti2582 agreed.

Still gotta love how death battle made DIO of all characters faster than a being travelling between planets or a magic arrow reaching the sun after being fired. All of their dbc are filled with people throwing around multiversal for at best street level characters. Its madness. Deathbattle is the prime example of how actually looking at the media in question obliterates 99% of powerscaling arguments.

@@superbrainz2357Death Battle takes characters at their best. Anything they’ve ever done is on the table in a death battle. It’s why someone like Superman is so highly rated over there (And now I have to mention he’s only fought Goku and also mention I’m not saying Goku would win and I’m just gonna stop there) Death Battle rarely gets anything wrong in their own rules, but because of their rules it isn’t a good place to learn/judge power scaling on, which is unfortunate given that it is so well known

@@XD_ist That's true but the issue is them being very inconsistent (saying they dont like anti feats and outliers yet using them to justify a character who was superior in the analysis to lose) with everything that characters can use often leading to a very warped view of a character and can oftentimes break the very setting of the stories they're in. We can have bowser going from tanking black holes and falling into stars to supposedly dying from a fall and lava one time as a reason to try and justify him losing to Ganon. Star platinum can punch with three million tons of force but nah his non canon ova feat of the building was the best he can go and DIO the guy he beat can actually move several hundred times faster than him lmao. Scout can tank 3 rockets to the face, oh wait now he can't (please ignore the superior strength feats we mentioned earlier). I remember how a thor editor went wtf when shown the stats in thor vs vegeta and said it was a very gross overestimation of thor's capabilities. I like their animations but it really is a shame their "research" is as popular and wide spread as it is because a lot of smaller vs channels are going with much lower but far more reasonable calcs.

😂 FR

What I hate about powerscalers is when they cherry pick one feat of a character that they performed once in the entire story and never done anything close to that but the scaler will claim the character is that level. For example Kakashi managed to cut a lightning strike in half once therefore we should think Kakashi can casually move around at the speed of light all the time which is clearly not something he does.

I love when any discussion about any sci fi universe gets immediately derailed by doom fans who want you to know doom guy beats the universe you're talking about. Cool but we ain't talking about doom so why are you bringing it up

@@valentinvas6454 Don't you love it when someone cleaves through a mountain, then has to prepare an attack to punch through a wall (granted, she had to prepare the mountain-bust more)?

Mostly because his way of overcoming obstacles involves breaking one of Death Battle's main rules. He relies on recognizing, analyzing, and developing counters for his opponent's skills, abilities, and weaknesses. This is compelling to the reader since, as a powerless human, he's naturally disadvantaged and his preparations even the odds. But for the sake of as fair a fight as possible, his opponent would have to be given as much prep time.

@@wingedbluj1674even worse, those same characters do just as well, if not even better with the same amount of prep time

@@wingedbluj1674 You said "with prep time" in too many words.

@@Drawngalaxy Aside from Iron Man, not really. The way Batman preps for characters is a lot more effective than majority of "smart" characters do. When Iron Man, Dr Doom or Lex Luthor beat someone with prep, it's because they built something that only they could build. When Batman beats someone with prep, it's because he used a strategy that could only be used for that character. When Batman beats you, it's essentially cuz he creates a new anti feat for you, which is why I personally believe people are adamant about constantly involving Batman's prep, it's a lot more interesting to see Batman beat someone with prep than Iron Man for instance because it'll involve some kind of clever tactic, deduction or outsmarting move rather than "I'll build something off screen so I can beat an army of omnipotents" Also Spider-Man is one of the most overwanked characters I've ever seen in my entire life, even more so than Batman, cuz Batman's outlier feats at least aren't taken seriously. Like if you try and claim that Batman can beat Superman with nothing but kryptonite knuckles, you'll get laughed at justifiably so, but people legitimately bring up nonsense feats of Spider-Man beating X-Men, Fantastic Four and don't see anything wrong with it despite the fact that he daily struggles with his fodder ahh rogues gallery (in comparison to the rest of Marvel obviously)

He might be a normal human being but so is Krillin from Dragonball, and he beat goku, when he was a kid, who beat giren who is stronger then gods of destruction. So it's perfectly reasonable that Batman might be able to beat superman.

But it does make powerscalers mad so I kinda approve it!

that doomguy bit was quite accurate I’d just like to think he’s a normal guy with incredible strength and will saying a character is godlike just because they did a feat it just makes me hate power scalling more and more

​@@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975doomguy is a bit of a gag character, the writers said that he only uses guns to make the demons suffer more, he's angry and so powerful that yeah he can one-shot everything, that doesn't equate to the gameplay and is only a bit of trivia the nerds enjoy, I say if playing as the doomslayer knowing he is almost all powerful makes the player more immersed or allows them to enjoy the power fantasy than eh why not, power scaling is fun up until you start doing math

​@@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975he's so mad that, he literally cannot die tl:dr

Yeah, gag characters kind of make the whole "power scaling" thing moot. I mean look at Popeye, the guy flat out ignored the very end of the universe.

It do be like that

Kratos scaling be like, lol jk

It feels really weird seeing people try to scale sonic, because not too long ago most people agreed that he was faster than sound, maybe around light in base form, but now he is super duper multiversal+ and also solos dragon ball because in X Game people don't like he was able to defeat Super Galactic Gigashart the Commander of the Shittrons who can eat universes for some reason even though it's barely elaborated on. Oh and he also defeated him not with raw power but with the chaos emeralds or some random macguffin in the game. This somehow translates into him beating goku because idk he did that, even though we never see him actually exert that power at all and he still rarely goes faster than light. I've seen people pull out "evidence" for why sonic is multiversal and it would literally be shit from books and manuels for 8 year olds and expect me to take them seriously

​@@derekg5006I'm not going to lie, for me I've always seen Goku superior to Sonic in the sense of ferocity and animated battles, the fact is that Sonic was said to be at the speed of sound or speed of light indeed and seeing Dragon Ball wasn't in comparison and my brain was really off, I've learned what powerscale was (more or less in 6 months) and it's frankly crap, even if it can be true and all, I miss the time when few people dwelt on it or did it but just by speculation and without calculation saying "his infinity level is superior to his" but it was chill or not worse than right now. we can imagine someone say in dbz there were antagonists like "invincible" like Frieza on namek stated by vegeta but just because he was beaten that thus logic doesn't work, where as you could say that goku is infinite just cuz he won, I mean it's just a dick contest because the author has highlighted the powers better and as long as he wants to lower the power level of the latter it wouldn't be a problem, like dbs things and fr I don't watch anymore with so many errors and nonsense, but yeah I regret having known that

​@@derekg5006and let's not talk about Archie sonic who always emerge his ugly ass head

Sorry, its not a joike cause you dont understand it and this really deosntrbaly worng video here... means jacks-it... but hey, if you wanna be ajoke who suffers from dunning kruger effe,t go on.. Won't change a fliippin thing, people still pwoerscale and they would still do so even if the arguments in this video didnt boil down to 'Me not understnad scaling, hoho' and you being likee a flat-earther saying "HAAAAAAA! NASA IS SO STUPIDDDD"

@@slevinchannel7589 It's juvenile, get over it. There's a reason all these forums are dying.

@@gespenst1329 Yeahh, im not even gonna argue how silly what you just said is. The powerscale-communtiy is healthy as ever and your metric of measurement being 'some random FORUMS' is hilarious. But whatveer: pwoersclaing will never be juvenile just cause this non-argument-filled video here badddlyyy-pretended it dto be, so yeah: Logic tells us powersclaing would be good and improving even if it had died. So even if your cringe claim its dead or dying is true: well, thern lets bring it right back, duh. Videos like this are the 'Peak of Arguments against it' and i can easily debunk everyone of them - so what do they got? Let me guess, dunning kruger effect? I mean, thats what Stan Lee has. Guy has never in his life gotten Powersclaing explained to him so his NON-ARGUMENT (man, im really overusing this term, huh?) would of course be silly lie "You wanna know who wins in a fight? THE AUTHOR DECIDESSSS" Thx for your Wisedom, Mr Dunnung Kruger

​@@gespenst1329 This youtuber has debunked powersclaing so hard every actual real powersclaer went "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. TGhis guy doesnt know what hes talking about. Its like Kent Hovind debunking Evolution" Powerscaling is amazing, dude. It keeps the brain stimulted: this ALONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE makes it 'worth doing'.

@@slevinchannel7589 It’s fundamentally a playground argument. But whatever, there’s parts of the internet where it’s just not a thing at all, so it’s no concern of mine.

I think that's what made Deadliest Warrior on cable more digestible despite how silly it is, they fed this "data" into simulation software and so many times it came down to like a 52/48 split between the proposed combatants.

The victor could simply just be who would win the majority of the time

What do you expect most needs know nothing about fighting

Yeah the same is also true for battles, it is genuinely hard to find battles that are well written there is so much that goes into winning a battle it i not just about being the best strategist, having more troop, or having stronger fighter. It is combination of the three, plus logistic, plus intelligence gathering , plus luck, plus morale, plus the fact that human are inherently inconsistent.

That's not exactly power scaling, though. That's versus debating. Which yes, uses power scaling as its cornerstone basis, but I feel it's kinda important to separate the two to get the definitions right.

Yeah like a gun

I feel like sometimes they also ignore how certain powers and abilities may interact with each other. let's take Superman fro example. In most iterations Superman's invulnerability would not render him immune to magic. So if you throw him in a pit wit a certain character like Goku that begs the question if ki would count as magic or not and thus hurt Superman? I'm not trying to say who would win or not (and maybe there's an answer somewhere) but this is something I think is sometimes overlooked and I think sometimes because of this there is no objective correct answer where others might claim there is one because sometimes it would be based on how you interpret the powers interacting with each other unless there is a word of god from the author. Also, sometimes people just misread certain actions or feats and ignore how narrative factors into how certain feets are portrayed. For example they might see someone with a gun shoot at someone else and said person avoids the attack and assume the person is faster than bullets. Now this might be true in some cases but sometimes what's happing is your not factoring in things like shot accuracy or the action reaction speed it takes to actually react and fire the gun. Also, sometimes powerscaling gets to the point where people automatically assume its bad writing or a plot hole if a stronger character loses even though there might be other factors at play (such as personality or even luck) or a specific reason someone won. A stronger character simply losing isn't inherently bad it depends on how it's written and plays into the story. Yes, a plot hole could form if you don't know what you're doing but your favorite strong guy losing or being outclasses isn't automatically a plot hole or failing on the part of the story.

batman fans when:

Someone literally put MK1 Kenshi against Deathstroke like as if Slade wouldn’t immediately put another hole in that man’d face lol

@@douglysium9770 Magic was explicitly stated to be separate from Ki in Dragon Ball.

It's both. The idea of scaling isn't cringe. It's just a ladder of consistency basically. As a writer, it's even important for the suspension of disbelief that one character does not suddenly and without explanation exceed their ordinary level of power. But the current system is in fact cringe. On Omniversal Battlefield, the literal first rule of powerscaling is that nothing can ever scale down. This already destroys any and all credibility it might've had. So if a character once survives a nuke but also gets hurt by bullets, we're now going to pretend he's island level rather than below wall level? According to powerscaling, the answer is yes. And that's how beings being scaled like Kratos or Dante appear.

@@TheStraightestWhitest I think a little differently. Powerscaling is important for writers to correctly structure fights and how a character overcomes feats that exceed him. If you don’t, the result is the CW’s Flash which has the man who can move faster than light losing to a guy with an ice gun. Also I think we can agree when we say that the cringy edits are garbage

Tell that to one piece fans who think everybody stronger than kizaru is mftl

I overall understand the point you're making tbh. Sometimes you can argue about the context of different scenes so they don't necessarily contradict eachother. But at the same time, the conclusions these powerscalers come to, most of the times, directly contradict certain narratives that the author tries to get across

​@@Kos1256does that mean tht just because a character dodged a laser that doesn't mean there ftl? If so i figured that was the case

@@audreyharris7643 Yes just because its a laser doesnt mean its lightspeed

@@Kos1256 alright just checking

Of course, 90% of people know that, but that isn't as fun to discuss nor is it what powerscaling is for, it's for hypothetical battles on who would win based off evidence shown. Nobody needed to "admit" anything.

@@rjsblanket3024 It so funny how so power scaler hater in those comment are obsess with making us admit that power scalling is subjectif and for fun. When it's pretty fucking obvious unless your SethTheProgrammer.

No its actually not up to the writer. I mean he could write a story and decide who wins in his story but thats only what he thinks but if the character shouldnt win and he still lets him win that just means he doesnt know the character so it would be like another fan fiction.

@@xeox4280That’s not how it works?

@@starstudiosRPG But it is. If you have a character who for example can lift 2 tons but a writer just makes him lift 100 tons its just not the real character anymore. Its like a fan fiction. Plot armor. Bad writing.

That’s not at all was intended to be. Your really stupid if you think they were trying to fight back against that

Even characters like Bugs Bunny and Popeye are unironically powerscaled in certain scenarios. It's almost impossible for an anime to have some kind of action sequence and not get powerscaled.

@@callmeaweeb4169Depends on how seriously the writers take it JoJo is literally whatever the writer feels is cooler. Since season 3 the whole point is "random bs GO!" But in a show that takes it more seriously, like DBZ (despite the fact that they have the most boring "power scaling" in any show i have seen) it is very possible to do so effectively. And DBZ is probably the source of this for that reason.

​@@rompevuevitos222 Ironically Dragon Ball takes power scaling even less seriously than the stuff you mebtioned. Quite literally, the only reason power levels as a concept were introduced was solely to prove that it was an idiotic way of thinking. Stuff like that has no place in a world where characters can grow stronger/weaker on a whim.

@@felixdaniels37 Proof that's why they were introduced?

Those two things are completely separate from scaling. This comment is no different from that Cilvanis video about the DBtard the resorts to "but can he beat Goku" when being told that there's other, better written anime out there beyond Dragonball, as if these two subjects have anything to do with each other.

if that were the case then guts would be horribly written just because hes a "fodder" lmao

That shouldn't be your takeaway from this video. If you enjoy that creator, watch them. That's all there is to it.

Hello purple haze, I know you from somewhere.

Good to know you cannot think for yourself.

@@InvocationOfSebastian Or, alternatively, I haven't thought much about this particular topic because it hardly truly matters to me.

⁠​⁠@@purplehaze2358I suggest you should unsubscribe if you feel guilty. Don’t let that sarcophagus mf at the top of the replies change ur mind. If you know power scaling is stupid and if you believe that immediately unsubscribe, and you won’t feel regret. Honestly, the only way I’d ever watch a fan made crossover fight is if instead of power scaling you make a good fight that builds off the character development of the characters at hand. Plus even if you like power scaling and you sub to death battle of some shit 1/2 the time the calculations can be questionable at best, both out of the fight and in the fight. Not saying you must but if you really are confused just remember these are unofficial fan fictions of fictional characters. If there’s something prevents you from wanting to watch something, it’s best to put it behind.