PRE ARRIVAL Two Alarm Commercial Structure Fire UPS Warehouse Lakewood New Jersey 6/28/23 

Kudos to the driver of E5 for not only blocking the drive lane, taking their time charging one line & for forgetting he had tank water or a deck gun. 👍

The Drone-Operator makes an amazing job. Also thanks to all firefighters, first responders and police-officer for your service.

Brother having a drone has taken your videos to a whole new level!

Another great training video for us, thank you so much! The larger view granted by a drone makes this look like a nine-ring circus, not just a three-ring circus. Our EMT teams are going to blow a gasket watching this.

Placement of E5 greatly degraded the access of incoming units. That placement basically gave all responsibility to the first on-scene truck and engine. No other apparatus could get into that big, open area.

As a retired firefighter, what in the world took so long to get water? Do those pumpers not have a 500 gallon tank on board? At least a 250 gallon tank? Nobody got water on this fire until they charged the hydrant and that took over 5 minutes after the supply line was laid..how about Search and Rescue? There were still people inside the structure ..Kudos to the fire departments for doing their job I love you guys. But what the heck happened? Too many minutes to a knockdown.. train train train !

I work on this shift, and the aftermath was pure chaos. The drivers had to park their package vehicles in the neighboring staff parking lot. The plan on what to do with all of the packages seemed to change by the minute. A driver said the next morning, they had to drive the trucks to Tinton Falls to run the pre-load shift at their facility and then drive all the way back to start delivering. It took several months to get everything back to normal in the Lakewood center.

Armchair incident commander here. This seemed like a pretty disorganized response. Obviously no pre-planning since they couldn't find the FDC. It also gave me anxiety seeing that first engine spending so much time catching the hydrant instead of using the tank water to prevent the spread. It was 7 minutes into the video before the line was charged, even though the first truck rolled up at the 2 minute mark. Probably should have dispatched multiple engines and have the 2nd engine catch a hydrant.

Glad nobody injured. Drone footage was great. This fire department needs a lot of work at many different levels! No excuse for this performance!

Another great drone job. Nice editing too! Thanks

I'am surprised that the initial dispatch for a semi on fire, with a warehouse exposure, was just one engine and truck.

Being with the fire department for 40 years, these guys need a lot of training and learn pre-planning !!! Plus the first engine should have gone right to the ladder to supply water, second then could have pulled up and used a deck gun !

As a fire fighter I ask the same question over and over again of these videos, why does it take so long to get water on the fire.

Kudos to the drone pilot👍!

Your use of a drone significantly contributes to viewing the overview firefighting effort and it also helps subsidize the video’s narrative. I also find the integration of a scanner helps afford a more articulate viewing experience. Keep up the good work!

I'm a retired building superintendent. I noticed that the warehouse roof appeared to have self venting louvers is that correct? Excellent idea if true. Well as I watch this, it appears that the building is doing a better job holding back the fire with it's sprinklers than the Fire service is fighting fire in 3 x 53' trailers.

Excellent drone footage.

This will be a great video to show to my fire department as how not to act at a fire such as this. Many inexcusables mistakes noted.

In the uk our fire fighters are so on point with there fire hoses it’s brilliant! As soon as there on sight there hosing flames within 20-30 seconds to try and save the building or whatever there putting out! Watching this was painful!! The amount of damage within ten minutes was insane!!

Former Lt. Firefighter/medic. If I pulled in first due eng. With 3 man. I would have called 2 alarm. Right from the get go before getting out of the engine.

Is it standard in these areas that the Fire Departments take extended times to flow water?? Seems like the majority of the fires you cover have the same issue.

Again, with such a heavy fire load, why not put your deck in in service to knock that shit down then transition into an interior attack? The deck gun the most under utilized tool in the fire service!

To answer Donna's question. The buildings fire suppression system is supplied from the water mains surrounding the building with a valve station entering at two locations one each on a separate watermain in case one fails. I won't describe these in detail however they have two check valves on each station. one to prevent water flowing out of the building to the water main on the street and another allowing water to enter the sprinkler system from a special fitting on the buildings outside called a siamese fitting. This allows the fire dept. to connect a pumper to the building to boost the sprinkler pressure if they wish to on top of the automatic water supply from the city water mains.

Preplanning this occupancy would have helped with water sources, the location of the sprinkler and stand pipe connections, etc.

7 minutes until starting to put water on fire since arrival? what happened here? Astonishing, they could easily defend the building effectively.

This seemed to take forever to get water flowing. They were already handicapped arriving with only a tiny 3 man crew... & waited to call for backup. Didn't any of the original arriving trucks have a water supply, even a small one to get lines charged & start while they located a water source? seems like such a facility should have very easy to locate or previously known water supply locations from building inspections. Excellent Drone footage...

Another fire department that slow to put water on the fire Ridiculous

If you ordered anything to be delivered by UPS, you may want to check on your merchandise.

16:18, neither Command nor Engine 1 know where the standpipe hookup is on what has to be a major fire risk in their area a UPS station? sounds like great recon, practice, inspection, drilling, and familiarity.

I know nothing about how hard it is to be a firefighter. I can only imagine how grueling it is. But, watching that man in the orange shirt sweating and working so hard just to unhook the hoses was an eye opener for me. God Bless these men!

Great video as always. Love the drone work. God Bless...

My full admiration to all firefighters across the pond. I watch a lot of these videos. But I do notice how long it takes to get water on these fires - so different from our Brit response. It's agony to watch this.

Nice job with the drone. I believe there is an opportunity here to video these kinds of events and show how they can improve thier techniques. Great for training and just historical value. 👍

I realy enjoy watching your videos. You do a fantastic job. Do not stop, have fun and be safe. Gilles 👍👏

I want to say a couple of things here because of what some comments are. While I am not the most experienced firefighter ever I spent more than a year as a volunteer firefighter and have some experience with how this kind of scene and situation would go down. I also at first thought that some things were happening slowly, such as engine 5 arriving and not getting hose run and water on the fire faster, however you’ll notice that a hose was run promptly and went into the building to fight from inside, given a standard crew size it’s rare for two hand lines to be run from the same truck until additional personnel arrive. With respect to the deck gun note I also was thinking of that and the aerial nozzle on the ladder, however I was always trained that you don’t turn on those unless you are hooked to a hydrant because otherwise they will empty the onboard storage in 30 seconds and on a for like this that wouldn’t have made a worthwhile impact, later on I agree that they could have used it. Given the crew size of 3-4 being standard once the line went into the building and counting that there was a firefighter hooking up to the hydrant and needs to be an engineer running the pump the counts seem in line with what was happening. In terms of engine placement engine 5 part out of the smoke and a safe distance from the fire this makes sense, they might have been able to leave more room, but then an engine would need to get very close to the fire and in a dangerous spot, it’s best if these trucks part far enough that when firefighters exchange their tanks they can do so in clear air. This brings me to one criticism I have and this is something I saw among my colleagues in my own department was people doing too much in too much smoke without using air masks, this van be very dangerous not just in the moment but long term, it’s worth the extra moment and the extra weight to use in such a way as to Turkey limit the hazard of fighting fires, your already being very brave, no need to take extra risks. The other thing is another I have personally experienced before. I know that this captain started the second alarm not angling time after arriving, but it maybe could have been started a little sooner. My last note is that some people were criticizing engine 5 for taking so long and hooking to the hydrant when the next truck should have done that. I was actually expecting them to bring the hydrant hookup, they were the second truck to arrive (after the ladder) and so that was their responsibility, I was on a fire once where the second truck didn’t do that and resultant we got to appoint where we ran out of water and had to take time to get the hydrant hooked up, time in which the fire grew and made it take longer to put the fire out than if they had just taken the 5 min to get it hooked up in the first place. All in all like all fires and scenes there are things done well and things that could be improved, I’m sure these guys debriefed after and will learn from it like every department I have ever encountered does. These guys got the fire out, a fire that was large and complex with a variety of materials and structures burning. If I said something you don’t agree with feel free to say, no hard feelings, I just wanted to expand the discussion a little bit.

Nice job with the drone!!

You know what impressed me most about this response. The battery life on your drone! What are you using?

love your drone footage, gives a great view.

Interesting video. A drone 360 view would have been interesting. Parroting others, I think time to first water was a bit long. Fun to watch the engine on the left dropping line. Wonder how many folks did not get the package they were expecting.😳

I hope all the employees made it out safely.

Outstanding drone footage with radio traffic!!! Well done👍

WOW, love how the IC threatens the crew that was trying to locate the FDC…

Mount a tank and pump on your drone for quick initial attacks. Sometimes your're there before the fire trucks.

You would think for a professional career department they would be out preplanning these buildings knowing where the FDC is and not have the chief making threats over the radio because he's in over his head

This is the exact reason why lithium ion batteries are not allowed in luggage on commercial flights. There were lithium ion batteries in that trailer that ignited

I can charge my phone to 100% faster than these guys got water on that fire. I'm just glad this was commercial property and not someone's personal vehicles or home.

Awesome drone footage..

Big safety meeting after this

Now this is where drones are actually very helpful I like the utilization of the drone in this. thank you for your service guys without you we would not have a country.. it would be a pile of smouldering hot coals

So many ups drivers where so happy to get the day off

One of the engines needed directions to the warehouse, another didn't know where the FDC was, and the first in appeared to do a reverse lay (with which appears to be a measly 1 3/4) while managing to block every other engine from coming in, and the ladder was doing nothing while, just to its left, an open fire was clearly visible from the top of the trailer. I overheard that from inside the structure, an interior attack was underway but didn't see any water coming from inside the building. FDs are supposed to get out and inspect/rehearse warehouses like this; not knowing where the FDCs are or how to get to the place seems odd at best.

Extremely Ineffective work!

Outstanding Drone Photography! Now, this a critique, not criticism because fire generally doubles every 30 seconds. 1) if the ladder has a tank and pump, they could have deployed an elevated master stream immediately to stun the fire in the opening minutes while the engine laid the supply line. Stretch supply line to engine. 2) Engine laying supply line could stay far away as possible to keep a path open. While 2-1/2 is being stretched, USE THE DECK GUN to further knock down the fire. (Wasn’t there a hydrant in the rear? Odd if not). 3) cops- DO NOT PARK NEAR THE FIRE!!! Ugh 😣 4) Next engine stretch (2) 2- 1/2’s into the front and attack from inside. Great stop, nonetheless! I loved that they moved trucks out to reduce the exposure- removing fuel! They did get a ladder to the roof if vertical ventilation was needed. And they DIDN’T waste time and water using an 1-3/4. Also, 2nd alarm was quickly called. Overall, not a bad job!

What is most concerning to me is the failure of them to find the building's fire department connection until almost 17 minutes into the video. That should have been priority number 1 for the first truck on scene.

Great video with the drone I like watching these keep it up i be watching 😊

I can't believe that the distance the closest hydrant was from the warehouse complex

Drones assist firefighters in so many ways! Kudos to all. Stay safe!

Anyone else notice that Chief 1 and the PD seem to be connected on V2V Whelen Cem Core? Sync could be coincidental, otherwise that it awesome!

im often (badly) impressed by the long time between us fire dept arrival on scene and moment when they start to use water. If you take a look at european firefighters videos, there's a huge difference. Most efficient by far in Europe.

The response was good ! Everything after that was a fustercluck From pump operator to the duetchebag making threats. Total caous smh

Thanks

Great video

I presume that the first engine at the scene was built without a deck gun.

Kudos to the first in first crews. You were already behind the eight-ball when you were assigned a 3-man crew! First line being a 2-1/2 and going to the interior was the correct tactical decision (even being understaffed). Aerial to the roof to what appears to be a type 2 warehouse was spot on! Thank you Jersey Shore Response for all your great footage and dedicated work!

Ladder set up (no water) 1 engine supplying sprinkler and finally 1 hand line in operation from. Delta side. Delta side looks like a training session

Great footage from drone operator

After watching several videos of New Jersey fires, I wonder how much fire insurance id there.

The manager of the building should have those box trucks moved off the door before they became part of the problem.

Not going to lie. The vehicle to vehicle sync on the lighting looks awesome even when the PD vehicles synced to the FD command vehicle.

I was surprised the 1st engine with only a 3 man crew, didnt pull farther in like near the ladder truck. Another engine then could have pulled up further and possibly if they would have had a deck gun, the fire could have been knocked down much faster. The only chief there for a while seemed overwhelmed by everything taking to long, and finding things. The drone operator did a good job but, needs to also catch footage out at front street shot too. Its useful in fires finding dangerous areas not seen at times. If there are many of these warehouses around in every state, i think pre planning is important to know where things are. Lots of Training needs to be done also. Seemed very slow getting many lines and water on it fast. Glad everyone was safe. Also. Ups should have let the fire department know if batteries were in any trailers from the get go.

Those are the worst fires you can get - lots of burning material inside a building like this, trailers attached which are also loaded with lots of boxes - highly flamable... All firefighters out there are doing their best and they'll always have my respect.

I don't think I'd ever move to New Jersey.

What a fantastic job of putting itself out by the fire.

I didn't think anybody still used 3" supply line. Need to come into the current standard.

18:55 "primary search done, we just have to check the second floor" ????? If you haven't checked the second floor, how is the primary search done???

Wondering why there was no hydrant nearer the bldg.

Sounds like 👍 those on your team are taking an awfully long time to get to the scene 🎬, and to put the fire 🔥 out. Maybe 🤔 there’s too many dangers to tackle it right away. Your friend, Jeff.

Shocking. Absolutely brutal.

At the 2:00 mark, notice the FD truck and the FPIU in the back with their lights synced together. Pretty neat!

Fantastic video work as always. Great job by the LFD for saving the building. I must say I have thoroughly enjoyed the tactical decisions the keyboard commanders have made this time.

They walk slowly around and do nothing. Great job! Ridicolous!!!

That’s where my Amazon order went

Taking 12 minutes to hook up a hose for the first spray of water seems excessive in this particular situation, but thank you to all of the first responders for serving our communities.

Why on earth did E5 not feed the ladder? Could have the ladder flowing while they pulled handlines

This is where I'm sure I'd get fired again after 4 decades. At the first mention of fire I'd take the 60 seconds to get that trailer off the building even though I've been crapped on by management constantly. Isolating that trailer from the building and other loaded trailers would help a lot. 15 seconds to get there, 10 to hook, 15 to move, 10 to unhook. It's just who I am

12 minutes before water hits the hot stuff??? Wow 38 yrs of fire fighting in Australia and this would have to be the slowest attack ever.

holy crap this is spreading very fast. 😬😬😬

The radio transmissions sounded like they were short handed in the beginning. Only 3 ff’s on the engine.

the dark green engine 2121 look like my dept eng we are getting in less then a few weeks and i cant wait

UPS Terminal. So that’s what happened to my package!

Great job by FDs, and they were really hustling too. Video is excellent, really impressive. Thanks!

Pretty long haul to the hydrant

Should’ve been a full-front from the beginning. Crazy choice from dispatch. But then you’d a had 3 times the disorganization and embarrassment. 😮 On another note, excellent production. Best I’ve ever seen.

A great training video for how not to fight a fire. From beginning to end.

It's absolute negligence to not dispatch a FULL structure fire assignment for a semi trailer on fire next to a commercial building. But yet they'll send 10 companies to a car fire... SMH. Chief should've done his job and had the run card upgraded immediately from the start. Slow response times just goes to show that they should have full time FD's, NOT volunteer. That first engine crew was ridiculously slow. I don't know what size that supply line was, but it doesn't look like 5"...

No yard hydrant?

Awesome coverage !!!!! Nice slow, deliberate attack. God only knows what's in the trucks and packages.... Love how the one FF was able to drive the 20ft box truck away from the dock. Who knew the key would be in it...? Woulda been great if there was helmet cam footage from the first interior crews. Couldn't see the interior conditions.

Hoffentlich seit ihr alle wieder gesund nach Hause gekommen. Alles andere kann ersetzt werden .

You park an engine at the end of the burning trailer with a Line of Sight down the side to the building. You activate the pump and put a few seconds of Tank Water in, around and beyond the trailer to stop combustion and PROTECT the Exposed Building! 4:42 This is ridiculous. What is that ladder going to do to stop that fire? That fire should have been COMPLETELY OUT minutes before this drone shot. They haven't even started. 13:00 Why did the fire department even bother to show up? Eventually doesn't count when it is your stuff burning!

Great job by the LFD. What took so long for the ups people to start pulling trailers out. Seems like ups had no plan for an emergency like that . tsk tsk not good