Prefrontal Lobotomy in Chronic Schizophrenia [Silent](Bishop Clarkson Memorial Hospital, 1944) 

exactly

Also from inner torment

A lot of people also sought this out sooo…

​@@MJW238That's like shooting someone to relieve them of a toothache

@@TheLowest No it’s not. And people remove teeth for toothaches.

what's sadder is the fact they've been infantilized. the smiles are genuine because they've literally been dumbed down.

The first lady certainly looked joyful after the surgery.

Pretty sure they were much happier after the surgery though. They looked they would be better of dead before

@@awright119021 она впала в детство и отупела. У неё детская дурашливость появилась.

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You can tell even this is no success story. It's very obvious she has real brain damage, Severely diminished intelligence. These "doctors" are barbarians. They reduced her to a toddler.

Come now, even current treatments (anti-psychotics) can turn people into plants.

there was no other treatment..doctors tried to help, not hurt them. your stats are wrong.

@@stanallport6746 Who is you?

@@stanallport6746 the stats are not wrong, they're correct, intent doesn't matter against numbers, could mean all the good in the world amputating an infected leg instead of treating it, still makes it a wrong procedure if the infection could had been treated differently.

Believe science, right?

Imagine getting drafted against your will at 18 and coming home at 19 to a padded cage to wait for your lobotomy because you have ptsd flashbacks

Electric shock therapy surprisingly has its benefits. Especially nowadays. It’s still practiced and has been more refined obviously. It has been proven to be successful. It’s far more successful than lobotomies ever have been.

@@firstthings_first9828 The electric shocks are much more humane and technologically advanced now. They give you pain meds for the cramping and put you under local anesthesia, also know exactly where to target the brain. Only downside is moderate memory loss, but yes, it works very well to treat severe depression that doesn't respond well to antidepressants.

@@mariovegas5699 yeah cuz science get better from Time to time.. not like religious people trying exorcism on schizophrenics or bipolar people😂😂

ECT is not torture, please don't talk about things you are ignorant of.

ECT is still done today, but not as frequent as back then. It has been scientifically proven to work. The electric shocks are also administered only under anesthesia. The reason why it looks like they are awake and in pain is because the facial muscles naturally contract during the shock. The patient does not notice the shock because he/she is not awake. The therapy is supposed to supercharge the neurons, resulting in a controlled seizure, causing adaptive changes in brain chemistry, which reverse the symptoms of some mental disorders. It is mainly used on people with severe depression and some other mental health disorders who cannot take medication.

@@Marco_My_Words I agree, Marco. And I think the most important thing too is to realize that these days ECT is done as an almost last resort - and more likely Deep Brain Stimulation will be done first, as those are both for highly treatment-resistant psychiatric cases. I generally view Insulin Shock Therapy as the far more barbaric method, putting people in a diabetic coma for days or weeks. With regards to lobotomy… it’s barbarous and honestly should be considered the same as murder. So often the patients were awake during the procedure because the doctors were trying to locate the right parts of the prefrontal cortex to damage. Just read about Rosemary Kennedy - the doctor had her sing in the operating room until he found the part of her brain related to it, then basically scrambled those parts. She was a vegetable after that.

No he was acting like that before electric shocks. Electroshocks we're used to try to improve behavior. Last resort is a lobotomy.

​@@blacksabbath6227Yes ECT can be. You should witness the dread that some patients threatened with that procedure feel. Also it can be used as a threat by cruel nursing staff to recalcitrant patients.

Couldn't agree more.

Amen ❤🙏

Jesus is Lord

Very true goingunder

One of the numerous reasons I'm terrified to have a kid

right :( a lobotomy is the closest thing to taking someone's soul, turning them into a shell of a person without any personality :(

This was done to make life easier for those around the afflicted individual, chiefly family and nursing staff looking after them. On the upside the dumber you are the happier you are and the psychotic episodes tend to stop when you have less brain to work with. No doubt induced brain damage of this kind made the patients happier, less scared and more indulgent.

@@VarietyGamerChannel I agree as much as it disgust me, I see patients actually look much happier than they were before procedure and their quality of life has definitely improved

@@dienivaca2473 but they aren't the person that was in the skull anymore

Very few people are diagnosed with schizophrenia so I don't believe you.

Nobody having a wonderful life was given a lobotomy. It was the last resort, usually to help those caring for the patient.

@@MrTruckerf xD

They all were already different. I know some assholes today that could use it

​@@AlphaFlightThis is not human it should never be used

*lobotomies. No apostrophe is required.

Bruh.

Nonsense

Bullshit

​@nehresnikdy9569She's looking for a sausage to slobber over.

@nehresnikdy9569 Do you think jesus mazsturebates with the holes in his hands?

THIS 👌🏼👌🏼

They may not have even cared how it looked? It wasn't their lives that became locked up mentally. Cruel people. … and who could say anything?

​​​​​@@p4our587 of course they cared how it looked. This entire video was a propaganda piece to popularize the act..why would they not care? Someone edited this thing, called it a film and everything. And this shit is well done for the time, it had a budget. Why would they bother doing any of it if they didn't care

@@Coryiodine - they cared to document it. Ask any of the patients if they cared whether they were sick or not? If the procedure was at all for the wellbeing of the patients to have a quality life? This wasn't really my argument… as I was kinda being sarcastic because of the treatment against the patients will as they constantly antagonized them until after the procedure to which they said there was no antagonistic behavior? Duh… take away the lady putting things in your face constantly… poof… behavior gone! … but, now… F it! Did they care? Really? How much care went into separating a portion of the brain from itself? Without knowing long term effects… how much care went into damage control? Was audio around at that time? It sure the hell was! It had been out almost 20yrs at that time! Some propaganda that was to have NO SOUND!

@@Coryiodine -… and if you are a well established reader, you might notice where is said… "they MAY NOT have even cared how it looked?" Which probably means… I DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY DIDN’T CARE!

@@p4our587 chill out. My original comment was saying they thought this film made the procedure look good. Not the patients. So when you said they may not have cared how it looked I figured you were talking about the procedure and film, not the patients. Obviously, they didn't care about the patients all that much. And for the future, using a ton of unnecessary capital letters will make you look like you've had a lobotomy.

Yes I often times wonder if it’s the operation itself that is barbaric, or was it simply due to lack of knowledge of how to perform such an operation, that messed people up

@@the_grand_inquisitor2511 As in most procedures, it depends on the individual. Absolute precision in placing the instrument through the orbital socket, and then knowing exactly how far back and forth to move the instrument to detach the lobe without detaching other parts of the brain was not always achieved.

Yeah it almost seems like the procedures weren’t precise and preformed quickly and hastily. So some retained a semblance of a soul and for others not so much. Really unfortunate. We should all be glad we were born in this timeline.

Yes, I think from that woman, you can see why they kept doing the lobotomies. Once in a while there’d be a success case like that in a patient otherwise incurable at the time. Someone who seemed happy, quick, affable, and able to care for themselves or even work. Of course, they didn’t have brain imaging, or even solid understanding of brain regions. The surgeries were so variable for the same reason they tried it at all-it was a blind shot to make things better. For “doctors” with little understanding of the brain and even less understanding of mental illness, the lobotomy at best cured the incurable, and at least made them easier to care for.

I'm thinking they got the "Before and After" videos backwards..

I also wonder if they are still alive today don't you wonder that too?

@cao0323 the latter one, i would imagine.

That's the best conclusion u made that really does happen they aren't themselves because they are lost the car is still running but with no driver.

I think she was an introvert and didn’t like ppl. I don’t get why that needed to be fixed?

thank you, Doctor.

Chemical straitjackets, probably. (not sure how you say that in English, sorry if that's the wrong term)

Factory farms for sure

Conversion therapy and sedation for acting out in mental hospitals (the other person called it a chemical straightjacket, in my mental hospital they called it the booty shot)

Imagine you lived in a time when schizophrenia did not exist? As in before it was invented. There is no test for it. Blood, brain, bacteria or virus.

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Of course too.

There is no ability to think in schizophrenia, your soul lives in hell.

Dude, you're literally calling mental issues a "personality" and "individualism". You're also being in the wrong here, implying that the man didn't need any sort of help and was fine as he was.

@@smart.but.stupid Imagine defending lobotomies, and then telling someone else that they are in the wrong. Apparently your name really does stand true. Someone can have a mental illness, and still be an entire person outside of it as well. Individuals with Schizophrenia are also full people, and have an entire personality and presence of self _outside_ of their disorder. The fact that you either don't know this, can't see this, or both is actually the problem. In addition to that, it is *incredibly* ableist to claim that a person's disorder or illness makes up the entirety of who they are, or their personality. Disabled people are actually _full people_ as well, despite what you may, or may not think. Lobotomies in no way helped or solved mental illness or disorders, they simply reduced the person down to their most basic parts in the most barbaric way possible, meaning they took apart their brain (in a way), and forcefully made them into what was essentially children, in the bodies of adults. They _did_ take away all personality and individualism, _outside_ of any other mental difficulties that were also going on, because they took away most, if not all at times, higher function within the individual's brain, hence their personality and everything that makes them who they are. Lobotomies weren't help, they were a torture that then created a prison of the individuals own mind that they were unable to escape from. These people weren't happy before because they were being tortured, and they only seem happy after because they are no longer who they once were and know nothing more than what they are being told to do. They don't help people, they only create puppets that then need help doing the most basic of tasks for the rest of their, usually quite short, life. Be better, and develop better takes. People are people, regardless of the strife their brain or body goes through.

@@KatBambi спасибо вам, вы человечны

@@qaezka 💕 thank you :)

​@@KatBambithank you

EXACTLY 😥😭😱

Vegetables means !?

​@@huzaifastriker762 probably that you just... Exist. You dont think, you dont speak alot, you just.... Are there. Exist. Maybe eat and drink from time to time, smile like a idiot. But other than that. Just.... Exist. An npc you could say. Basically the failed lobotomy patients became npcs. And had severe brain damage.

​@@huzaifastriker762 a person becoming a vegetable typically don't engage with the world around them at all ; they lose their ability to communicate, walk, eat, etc. They tend to stare into the distance or around them without seeming to recognise anything.

Why?

Look at his eyes after the operation, and tell me what you don't understand about someone finding it sad @Emily-cw7tj

@@J4MMUS oh that's why sorry I thought they meant something else like their body language or something. I wasn't looking hard enough.

Indeed so too.

I'd rather be medicated. Medication causes the same zombie like behavior as removing part of the brain. This procedure has killed people.

i agree.. everything else was tried.. they were living in hell before lobotomy.

@@stanallport6746 except… lobotomies were done on more than just schizophrenic people. The criteria of eligibility varied immensely during the 40s. Women who were seen as “sexually devious” were eligible for a lobotomy. Autistic or intellectually challenged children. Prisoners who were seen as uncooperative. Veterans suffering from PTSD. Minorities facing segregation and oppression. All of these groups having been forced into a lobotomy. Since the majority of these are often performed against one’s will. Do some research.

@@noolsoov8374no one’s saying it’s a good procedure. Just that there was no better alternative at the time, if you didn’t have a loving family to care for you. If you got institutionalized, “treated” or “medicated” for any of these conditions, it’s hard to say whether you would prefer that to the lobotomy. The blatant abuse in these institutions is also well known while likely not nearly documented enough. These patients were treated like lab rats by people who didn’t care or didn’t know better, with no family and friends, only fear and constraint. They would never have had a chance in this era.

There was a lot of failures

Without this, you wouldn't be able to get your painkillers and medicine, so have some respect. What would be your alternative mister Doctor?

No procedure being done today is more barbaric as lobotomy. Smh

I wish we could go back. It seems more effective than our current way of dealing with these people.

@zarazoostra Pacifying schizos seems like a valuable contribution to society to me

@@blacksabbath6227 If only it were possible to legally pacify people like you.

Now medical professionals are doping people with hormones and cutting off their genitalia. We've traded one horrible problem for another.

Yeah it's sad and creepy

probably from a headache

It's what I call the "dope slouch" You see it a lot with mentally disabled individuals

More difficult and problematic for normal people you mean

I'm sure they did, unfortunately 😒💔

self fulfilling prophesy. Fear of the future, must medicate the present, drugs which destroys reason (brain function) and make the prophesy come true.

schizophrenia is not "pretty normal". It's a living nightmare with no end.

@@Klarity0-pm3qn You ,issed the point of my comment entirely and just focussed on the one thing that was not the point

sounds like Nazis

Video cameras were rare back then, that's why people almost always smiled.

they would use a *local* anesthetic if the patient/victim cooperated otherwise it was general

I'm astonished by all the comments that express their "amazement" and the patient, the female in particular as "doing better"...............the moment I saw her tragic transformation I gasped, how does anybody think she's better, they've literally turned a beautiful human being into a performing ape, even her posture is abnormal, no natural facial expression or real sense of reality, its horrendous.

They do know what they do

It's either a lobotomy or put them in a padded room for the rest of their lives.

So where is freedom?these people werent criminals

Sorry, but there is no personality left when you are unmedicated on psychosis. You become an empty husk of what you were if left untreated.

Probably

More or less

They stopped doing these surgeries around the time that they invented those drugs, so I would imagine that the two had or would have similar effects.

At least they aren’t as permanent as lobotomies…

Not really. Lobotomies did way more than block dopamine receptors. Chemical lobotomy does exist tho, but it’s rarely used.

just interesting ...not horrifying?

Except that isn't what it does. It just prevents that anxiety from reaching your decision making faculties. So you can't do anything about it.

What do you mean? those people were literally diagnosed with schizophrenia, the symptoms of which are obvious in the video, few of them with catatonic form of it, and all the touching are for demonstrating their inability to move properly. Before writing something, cant you at least read captions please. They seemed friendly and cooperative, but aren't all healthy people are like that by default?

Don't forget sexism and racial segregation and mostly autistic people were unfairly locked up in these institutions and forgotten about

Antipsychotic drugs are designed to do the same slowly

Oh god yeah I think the insulin therapy shit was worse based on what I’ve read up on it. Even riskier and dangerous than a lobotomy. Electroshock is still used (with consent) nowadays and some people find it to be beneficial.

you know you can't just say you have "good intentions" and continue torturing and maiming people ?

Did the therapy help you

Omg is that a Beethoven sonata 25 reference??!?! 😨😹💥💨💫🌦️👹🔥🕳️😝🙃🙂😃

Rosemary Kennedy lived 60+ years as a stumbling vegetable. Howard Dully is still alive. Also I saw a video about a WW2 airman who flew 34 missions in B-17 bombers. The VA drilled both sides of his head. He died in 2020 at the age of 97. The old guy lived alone, drove, etc.

They hadn't been through enough already am I right?