Prelude to Heresy: The Fall of the Warmaster (Warhammer 40K & Horus Heresy Lore) 

Lmaooo

I love this

*Laughs in heresy*

But you forgot how [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] would react. [REDACTED] would probably [CORRUPTED DATA], while [REDACTED] would [CORRUPTED DATA]. /[INQUISITION KILL TEAM IS NOW COMING FOR YOU]/

@@C4bx732 Ha ha, everybody knows Inquisition kill teams don't really exis-

Golden daddy said gods are wrong but he said nothing about snakes did he?

I was just reading false gods and it really did happen that fast. After his conversation with erebus, even if he caught erebus lying multiple times through the conversation..He became full evil.

What are the odds indeed... 🤔

Praise the Emperor!

Emperor protects 🙏

Yes he does...

You can just...read or listen to False Gods you know

*Metallic coughing*

He got khal drogoed

If you experience a tentacle lasting more than four hours please see an inquisitor.

That’s what Khorne wanted to do, but Tzeentch argued his plan would be more interesting, Slaanesh voted for Tzeentch’s plan to get Khorne to choke them so they could say ‘Harder Daddy! OwO”, and Nurgle agreed with the long complicated plan because it would give him more time to spread his gifts.

Im reminded of an often used refrain from my favorite critic channel. We're not seeing their Plan A, we're seeing plans A-Z as things happen. Im sure there were attempts to make it simpler, they just didnt work.

It's a pity Karn didn't end him when he had the chance

@@thorshammer8033 I'm resisting the urge to give the Gandalf speech, but it's tough.

Because erebus convinced his horus and his inner circle to try this

That make sense until they have to go through the warp to get to Terra, who knows what kind of fuckery chaos would throw at them. Maybe if the eldar showed up but I doubt the marines would have trusted the pointies.

​@@Cheese21213If they were conscious of the risk of "chaos fuckery" then frankly they'd already ceded the point

I love these flairs he ads, really makes the story come alive

Damn! Does that expression mean... The Catheric worship the morning star?

@@slippytrippy8122 No. No more than modern Christians worship Satan. They might believe he exists but that's different from worship.

​@@slippytrippy8122 No, dummy. He is making a comparison between the two stories. Horus, with his hordes, defied the Emperor just like Lucifer uprised against God. It's obvious the 40K universe is full of analogies and metaphors about christianity.

Happy Birthday! Ave Imperator

So you are already in the phase where you wish there were more videos you could binge?

@@Furzkampfbomber I'm systematically going through all the lore channels I like. I work 14 ish hours a day and get alot of listening time. I'm on to a border prince now, but out of all the ones I've tried, and I've tried them all, oculus is my favorite. Makes me feel like I'm in 40k college

@@AP-kg9dz I think what makes Oculus so special is the character he portrays, giving us an interesting in-universe perspective. Which also means that his character does not have the all-knowing authorial point of view and that he can only work with what a citizen of the Imperium can or might now - and the journey of speculations he takes us along is quite fascinating and interesting. I also remember him saying in a comment that he is a historian in real life, which would also explain a lot - he has a very special and almost scientific approach to the topic. And yes, the way Oculus delivers his texts makes them sound a lot like an audio drama. Only that his work is better - I mean, I really don't like audio books. But when you say 'Wh40k college', the name Luetin09 comes to mind. I don't want to shill for another channel here, but Luetin09 is very close to such a thing as well - he is quite analytical in his vids and his treatises about how time and space work in the Wh40k universe or about how civilisations work in this universe, as well as in general, are unbelievably fascinationg and often way beyond normal story telling. _And_ his way of delivering his texts is, in my opinion, just as calming.

@@Furzkampfbomber I meant more along the lines of it has the feel of sitting in a particularly interesting lecture hall. I've listened to alot of Luetin, I like his channel quite a bit but I doubt I'll ever enjoy any channel more than oculus. If you like 40k short stories "a border prince" is pretty good too.

Ehhhhh Golden Age of Technology humanity did what this empire was _trying_ to do, succeeded, then galactic scale skynet happened. I always assumed the emperor was a big part of the golden age of technology behind the scenes.

Yes yes ✨✨✨

@Abe Froman Indeed!

I hope Erebus is eaten by a tyranid and then spit out because he's just that disgusting.

The Emperor absolutely planned for Magnus to stay by his side in the coming future, post crusade. He also planned on Horus staying by his side, both playing large roles in protecting and helping advance the imperium. Since the vision was what would happen should he betray the emperor, not just a random potential future, I think a better question to ask is: What if Magnus had shown Horus counter Visions, and explained the nature of foresight, and how it is fluid. I personally believe Horus would be more inclined to refuse chaos, especially if Magnus says he can help heal him regardless so it’s not like he needs to in order to survive

You said it pal.

Same brother, was always a giggle at the end

“…if you _knew_ …” That’s the rub, isn’t it? How many of the crushed and dismembered even _knew_ what was happening? It was a (pardon the pun) chaotic situation full of rumour and panic.

@@Mr_Bunk if they called back to the ship demanding orderlies to the landing pad, somebody knew what was up and should have cordoned off the area. If anyone breaks through because they’re fanatical..crush them.

@@widdershins5383 Except it wasn’t restricted to the landing pad, extending to however many corridors, bays and passageways led to the Vengeful Spirit’s main apothecarion. And on top of this, they had to deal with an Imperial battleship’s worth of panicked, scared crew, armsmen and civilians, sent into frenzy by rumours ranging between “Horus is injured” and “Horus is dead’. Have you ever had to manage a crowd that’s been told 15 minutes ago that their invincible, near-deific leader has been struck down? And who’s to say any coherent message to the _Spirit_ was sent before the rampage? After all, the marines themselves were having to cope with emotions they were, by design, incapable of processing, and their ruthless trampling of the innocent was a product of this. Some may even have found that atrocity cathartic, especially the baseline-loathing Abbadon. Sorry to respond with a wall of text, I didn’t think it was going to pan out like that, but there you go.

@@Mr_Bunk exactly, once word had come back they should have cordoned off the entire way back. That was a failure on the regular army dude for not keeping control of the civilians. Yes the space marines might have found it cathartic to trample them, but they were also in a state of hyper awareness because their “father” figure and lord was critically injured by something they had no idea about. Again, I’d be trampling people to get him to the medics as well. they knew what was happening, they knew what space marines could do to baseline humans and they still got in the way because they were panicked? Fuck’em. They shouldn’t be there and they should waiting word in the designated areas. Same reason we don’t let regular people into surgery and even today if you don’t get out the way your basically trampled by medics lol Also as a random design side not, shouldn’t the medic bay be as close to landing bays as possible? For just this reason? 🤔 that just seems like shitty ship design lol

FW books? Sorry I don't get the reference. Keen to read more on Horus though. I've read both of Vengeful Spirit and Slaves to Darkness though, both were good :)

very true they were open although would have sought to be antonymous from the imperium but open to work with them even somewhat give homage and Horus was on the way of doing that but the imperium were not aware of chaos and the other were very aware and with the word bearers stealing the very sword that would be the down fall of Horus the war that destroyed them began its almost poetic in a sad way

While I wish that was true, hubris would be humanities downfall. 'Well yes, Chaos did fuck everything up it touches, but *I* will not fall! *I* will dominate it!' Will be common. An Inquisition would still be needed, but cults will still form, as in the 41st Millennium and in the legions, the Lodges will still form. They were not chaos aligned (save some probably, looking at you word bearers) at first. Like a young man thinking that *he* will not crash his car while driving drunk, not all crash but if, or rather when they do... And primarchs? Did Magnus not make deals with (although not known to him) Tzeench? Would Erebus not move much sooner to Chaos after Monarchia, or even before, if it was more well known? I, of course, am not all knowing and might be wrong. Humanity could prosper more and longer if they knew of the threats. But alas I do not think so