I worked for Geberit as a service engineer and you MUST follow the instructions when using the press fittings, we had an issue with a press fit water joint which leaked and caused a lot of damage, when we cut out the joint and inspected it we found the the fitter had not de-burred the joint so when he inserted the pipe he damaged the seal.
Steve taylor sibsey, purchased a rems press gun November last year what a difference in labour saving looks better ,safer to use in lofts excellent for gas work. All round good investment.
For home PRR (good quality like Aquatherm) is still king. More work but the welding is bulletproof. Also PPR support high pressure, insulate well, no water noise. Excellent flow parameters. Yes, it is old but its gold. My 2c
Derek as a commercial gas fitter I have been using Map press for last 10 years I started with Rems I was sceptical at first but got around hot permits for work I run Romax (Rothenberger) 4000 Geberit is same as nova and Milwaukee I believe and use Milwaukee batteries Only use map press fitting using carbon steel or copper Yes it’s dearer to equip but looks better and on the big stuff so much quicker The compact machines like rigid rothenberger are the future for domestic lads No flux solder in pipework no cleaning blowtorch Just better
@@mgbroadsterJ with the Rothenberger yes but Rems has a angled jaws attachment which makes tight space easier ‘ but you learn and rhink how to press before you cut and join lol The most important thing to learn imo is to mark your joints after pressing so you never leave a unpressed joint
What do you think of the carbon steel mapress pipe? I'm thinking of doing my heating out of it instead of copper (zinc/ zinc, galv inside and outside). Was originally going to do it in threaded steel, but this will save me so much time. Just wondered if you'd used much of it and if you have any feedback. Thanks.
Looks expensive all round, Swiss and Germans never make anything cheap, also, all the "got to do bits" will be ignored. As a engineer for forty years, we had a saying, "you have to make it c--- proof" Love watching your videos. Keep up the great training. Peace be unto you.
Thank You for this tutorial. I can rent the press tools for 70 Euro a day, but I have to buy the pipe cutter and the de-burring tool. All the Mapress fittings are cheaper than the Pex brass-fittings etc. And it looks more professional.
I've been looking at these m press set ups .I've stayed away from them but it's becoming unavoidable now , thanks for your efforts.im.still unsure of what to purchase etc
Press don't stress 👍👍👍 eliminates the need for a 🔥🔥works permit. I think what puts off the silver solder ring solderers is the cost of the press kit plus the price of fittings 😢😢😢 press reduces installation time prepping copper, can be used with water still in the pipe. NO BRAINER PRESS IS THE WAY FORWARD
Undoubtedly inevitable. Had this with iron (low carbon steel!) superseding lead.Compression fittings v screwed iron, the arrival of pushfit and MLCP. There are always going to be shortcomings whatever the system. The tried and tested copper pipe and bending techniques look set for a major resurgence, can't be all bad!
Pegler uk told me I don't have to remove the chrome off the pipe, iv always agreed with you ,I understand its a rival company but can you clarify that please
Used this in a hospital that had terrible problems with pinholes in copper pipe .good system but crimping tool on 54 mm could be a pain in confined spaces.
There seems to be a lot of confusion on where Gas Press Fittings can be used e.g under timber floors etc. Some say they must be treated as a compression fitting and some saying to use as you would a soldered fitting.
Can you experiment what will happen when soldering and press fit get mixed on a installation, so what does the heat do to the press fit on a installation. I can imagine if it's nearby the seal will fail but how far can you be before it's workable. Thanks
What pressure can the gebret cooper gas mapress fittings hold up to? I’ve known someone to air test it at 3 bar at first fix stage but wasn’t sure if the pressure would damage the gas o rings at that pressure?
For work in a commercial setting press is a no brainier, no setting of smoke alarms, or risk of damage or fire risk, but for myself, I only do domestic work now and the cost of the tool and the fittings work out too expensive, why people use them on domestic properties I can’t understand
Just seen this video and start laughing on how UK behind plumbing technology. In Eastern Europe we use press fitting since early 90s. Actually in Germany just Iron screw and press nothing else.. I am Hungarian and nothing else we use is press and screw Iron nearly 30 years now, never had issue, since I do heating 20 years or so I had maybe 2 leak on Carbon Steel, and maybe same on copper due to faulty fitting.. Reason against solder is hot work, and flux which cause pin hole leak and time. Time is money. We do 1 st fix on 3 -4 bed house hot cold and heating on 1 day 1 man with 3 distribution manifold on wall and MLCP press Emmeti brand. 👍Recently just seen that crap plastic speedfit cost twice than press.. Dunno why people say press expensive when they use that crap DiY plastic and which more expensive.🤔
I still solder, but mappress gets used a fair bit ( domestic and commercial). No hot works permits and all the method statements/ risk assessments required when your in a rush. Loads of issues with carbon steel pineholes in pipework though, so don't use that anymore. Also those moaning about rubber o' rings, what do boilers and taps, pushfit etc have in them 🤦.
Glad I seen this comment..... I was thinking of piping my heating up in the mapress/ geberit Carbon steel pipe and fittings (with the red colour coding). I was originally going to do it in threaded steel. But, this would save me lots of time. My only concern was the wall thickness of the pipe, which is significantly thinner than threaded steel. Would really appreciate some feedback if you have any. Have you ever used the pipe that is galv inside and out? I realize the pipe that is galv on the outside only is asking for trouble. Thanks
I've used it mate but it's horrible to work with. Just solder it. It is cheaper, and better, with no tool maintenance each year. If you use it in commercial applications it can be good because you have loads of room. As for domestic, I find wannabe plumbers use these tools because they can solder, so there are loads of bends in their work. Bulky fittings, AND, it has rubbers in it which will eventually deteriorate.
I do not like the rubber seals .. they are destined to fail ... heating system 50 years old soldered still no leaks and compression brass olive never fail maybe a tool for simply tightening up nuts ? hey ho
Not quicker than speed fit , . The tool costs a bomb not to mention the price of fittings . Try getting that tool under a bath or in the corner of a full kitchen unit , swapping heads all the time it would take you 3 times as long to 1st fix a house + 3 times more expensive, why ????
Absolutely ridiculous, I can not believe how long it takes to do 1 joint , with all the faffing around. How much would you charge to first fix a house, + the expense of all the fittings. You would be there months, 25 grand for a 1st fix , brilliant!!!!!!
Sorry mate you are talking rubbish if you used one you would know how quick and easy it is and it costs no more to the customers than using any other fittings.
@@tomkatgastraining how can it cost less when the copper fittings way 4 Times as much as a Yorkshire (+ the rubber) and the tool (+recalibration) . Try getting that tool under floorboards!!!!!
@@twigthewonderkid1 what about the gas you need the flux the solder the wire wool the heat Matt you setting the house on fire and I have never had problems under floors in-fact it’s Easier to press under floors than solder
@@tomkatgastraining as I said £40 for gas , flux , solder, spray bottle filled with water(I don’t need a heat matt-and have never set a house on fire in 40 yrs )
