Pretty Little Liars: Original Sin - An Unworthy Reboot 

Ninja’s heart must’ve exploded when it was announced that Marlene wasn’t gonna be part of this but then Roberto was announced as show runner LMAOOO

The idea of a child, who's a product of SA, being adopted and raised by a mother who was groomed and abused by a man that ultimately married her, is so fucked up and horrifying that I refuse to believe Roberto came up with it intentionally.

When i heard that Imogen was pregnant as a result of a r*pe, I felt sick. When i realised that they don't even address the psychological consequences that being made to carry out a pregnancy which is a result of r*pe would have on a person, I felt sicker.

"The bar is so low it's literally on the ground." Roberto: "We're going to need a shovel."

I think having A go after the daughters who did nothing wrong is kind of stupid. I think having each of the girls really close with their moms and A’s goal to be to ruin those relationships through guiding the girls into discovering the truth of who their mothers really are would have been better. That way it’s actually targeting the moms who did what A is getting revenge for but also has the teens as the main characters. They could even have one of the girls actually find out what happened by herself early on and decide to try to throw the other girls off the trail to protect her mom then kill *that* girl off because she’s now an actual part of the initial awful act.

I still can't get over how perfect it was that all five mothers had daughters around the same age and go to the same school...like, really?

I don't think anyone's brought up the BIGGEST plot hole - where the hell was Angela's father when she was going through everything that made her suicidal?! He loves her enough to kill and torture people to avenge her memory, but not enough to intervene when she was actually alive? 🤔

My favorite thing about Roberto's shows is that he clearly has absolutely no idea how law enforcement works.

My entire thing with this 'A' is that the whole point of A in the original was that she was an unseen villain. No one knew what A was capable of doing; that's why the liars were so paranoid of everything. By making A into a horror movie killer, they took the intrigue and mystery surrounding A. It just seems like they're out to kill instead of ruining the girls lives through their lies and secrets, which sucks!

Another thing I really dislike is how none of the girls have secrets! The whole point of PLL is that the girls are liars: they have a front they show to people but hide secrets they would do anything to hide bc it could ruin their lives. Literally NONE of the main characters in the reboot have secrets they're all disconnected like you said on the video!

imagine a 90's pretty little liars, with a colorful palet and messy vibes they should've stay in 99

Anyone else bothered by the fact the 5 liars aren’t actual *liars*? They project the recording of Karen in the theatre and when first questioned they admit to it and tell the truth. They discover their mums were somehow involved with Angela - first thing they do is go and ask them and have an open conversation. The only thing they “hide” is A texting them and that’s most likely cause it’s so irrelevant that they surely forgot.

I liked that they didn't make Imogens entire charachter about her being pregnant, but the way she was running around like crazy while being 8-9 months pregnant. They also seemed so chill every time they almost got murdered by a CREEPY killer, like WTF

The reboot showed that Tabby rightfully found Wes' uncomfortable advances towards her to be creepy, so I thought that they'd learned their lesson from Aria and Ezra. But then they ruined it with a throwaway line about them adopting Imogen's baby, and that's supposed to be a happy ending?! 🤦🏽‍♀️

Something minor but that bothers me a lot because it breaks the illusion even further is that, not only Imogen's pregnancy doesn't play anything in her character or storyline, but it doesn't seem to be there physically. Like, she doesn't move like someone who's several months with a really big tummy. She doesn't seem to have any inconveniences or changes in life or anything. It's so obvious that the actress has a pillow or something to simulate the pregnancy!

The girls not having any chemistry is completely unforgivable given their mothers were BEST FRIENDS IN HIGHSCHOOL AND GREW UP IN THE SAME CITY CLOSE ENOUGH TO GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL! They woulda grown up together. Especially since its not like the moms became strangers they are completely aware of each other to the point where they have regular meetings like wtf

Something that Friendly space ninja forgot to mention is HOW THE HELL does cole sprouse exist in this show when they are in the same world as Riverdale?! At 1:00:28, Tabby mentions cole sprouse’s name

You hit the nail directly on the head with regards to why I hate Aguirre-Sacasa. He is the literal embodiment of Hollywood nepotism - a smug, talentless hack who ruins everything he touches yet somehow still manages to get his greasy paws on high-profile properties.

after THIS villian reveal I think we all owe Cece Drake an apology...I lowkey wanna see the OG PLL again edit: I just noticed that Imogen can run like hell despite being VERY pregnant...they really didn't think this through

imagine the show focused on the mothers uncovering the mystery, that would have been such a cool take on the story with an adult perspective

How should we show that Tabby is an aspiring filmmaker, and passionate about movies? I know, let's have her randomly reference a famous movie quote every five minutes, that won't get old quickly!

i,, cannot believe tabby’s friend is telling her about a traumatic thing that literally just happened and her response is to just word associate like “bucket? like from carrie? oh, a mask? like from texas chainsaw massacre???” LIKE LITERALLY JUST NAMING OBJECTS THAT WERE IN MOVIES, LIKE NO TABBY NOT A MASK LIKE FROM TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, A MASK LIKE FROM LIFE. OUTDOORS. STOP INTERRUPTING WITH YOUR NONSENSE

For all the bad relationships in PLL the love interests were interesting at least. Toby is a weirdo, Caleb is an orphaned hacker, Maya is cool af, Ezra is... a creep. But the love interests in Original Sin ?? I could honestly not tell them apart. They are SO bland to the point that it made me mad to see those relationships because I couldn't care, there's no sparks, no reasons for the relationships to even exist. The boyfriends are just there... the only one I remember is Chip because he's fucking trash.

That Tabby montage at 40:00 was BRUTAL.

my favorite character by far was faran. she felt the most real and i really appreciate when she embraced her natural hair which is something we don’t see often in teen dramas. even the actress said when a character goes under a makeover it’s usually someone whose curly hair is straightened and glasses taken off. :/

I'm just gonna say it, Imogens mother is AWFUL. Not just to Angela, but to her own daughter. She knows that a) Imogen is pregnant, and must have an idea of how that happened, b) Imogen would be the one to find her, and c) that this amount of stress could cause a MISCARRIAGE. She didn't take her life because she was suicidal, but bc she felt guilty for what she did. And now her daughter has to deal with the consequences on their own. I hate her so much.

The reason why the original series was fun was because even though not that many people died, the stakes were extremely high. A was all about psychological abuse and A was extremely smart and cunning, no matter who they were. The fact that there were so many questions and inconsistencies about Alison always made you think that there would be a possibility that Allison was A (up until it was revealed Alison was really alive). Alison on her own as a mean girl/villain/victim was so interesting because she had dirt on EVERYBODY like the entirety of Rosewood was AFRAID of a TEENAGER, especially the ADULTS, making it extremely difficult to find a person who did not have motive to get rid of her thus there being so many A possibilities. The original was full of drama that somehow always lead back to alison. Oh your dad cheated on your mom? Guess what Alisons mother (later revealed it was actually her aunt I believe) was the woman he cheated with. Like no matter how you looked at it, everything had to do with alison. The reason Mona first became A was because of Alison, the reason charlotte became A was because of Alison, heck even spencers evil twin had something to do with Alison because it turns out spencer and her evil twin were actually the child of alisons aunt. Combine that with the fact that A always had stuff to blackmail the girls with to do all these crazy things and to even go as far as to hide bodies etc. was insane. Oh and don't forget that A actually tried to murder the liars (or at least harm them) like trying to run over hanna (I don't get how hanna ever forgave mona for that tbh). AND THE DOLLHOUSE?!?!!? Iconic, but so extremely insane and messed up on an emotional level. Sure half of the plots were loose ends but still, it was interesting and in the moment itself you could make sense of it we just never came back to half of the plot points. The liars as characters but also as a group of friends were interessting too because they were friends because of allison and they had to stay together because of allison and A, even though when alison was gone and A wasn't there yet, they stopped talking which made it very clear they were never really friends by choice but because Alison said so. On their own they all had their struggles but they were revealed when the time was right and a lot of the time they were part of the plot of A or again tied back to alison directly. Did Marlene mess up the A reveals after Mona by trying to outsmart the viewers instead of making Aria or Wren A like people suspected? Absolutely, but at least in the first 2 seasons she knew what she was doing and overall it was enjoyable to watch even with some fillers (which made sense because we were doing 20 episodes per season at that time so it needed fillers). Original sin is boring and feels extremely pointless. Besides the actual killings, there are no stakes. No mindfucks, nothing (sure there were a couple of texts but no where near the type of texts the original A send the liars). Personally that's what I liked most about the original A and they just thought they could replace it with brutal murder. Original sin also does not have a real Alison, who connected everything and who kept the whole mystery part going, nor do they have a spencer, who conctributed the most to solving who A was (actually found out it was Mona the first time) and who does their best to outsmart A (and succeeds a couple of times). Without those type of characters pretty little liars is boring and dumb, which is exactly what happened here. Also the fact that they just revealed who A was at the end of season 1 (sure the masked guy got away but his identity was revealed either way)?!?! Yeah I don't need a season 2 thank you I already know who it is now so let's just move on and forget it happened.

"He's like a teen Cole Sprouse" so they exist in a world with an actor who looks like jughead, like Veronica wouldn't have brought that up.

What also bothered me so much about this show was how FORCED the idea of A was. It didn't make any sense why the villain would give themselves that name. The entire reason why it worked in the original show is because it played with the idea that it might be Alison, someone who would have known all their secrets but is missing/dead. The name played into the intrigue. In Original Sin, there was no reason why they would go by A, and the "liars" (they aren't liars so what's the point of even calling them that) DIDN'T QUESTION IT. Okay, so "A" is Angela/Archie, but they have no tie to those people so why does it matter? And if the principle was the one masterminding it all, why would he chose A? Maybe they saw news coverage of the ACTUAL A and decided to piggyback. It was just a cheap shot at riding on the original A.

okay so it never made sense to me how all the moms were friends in high school, who all had *_GIRLS_* who all so happen to be the *exact same age* but were literally never friends until they met in detention 💀💀💀

The moment Marlene strayed from Sara Shepard’s writing is the moment PLL became bad. Episode 1 season 1 of PLL is one of the greatest Pilots in tv history

alison is easily my favorite mean girl. like you said, she had layers. she wasn’t nice by any means but she would say slightly mean things with the intent of being nice that adds so much to her character. karen just seemed like a mean girl in a disney show more than anything… you can’t outdo the doer and alison was a great mean girl. when it comes to the bond of the original group, i like when spencer says “we’re not the ‘let’s go see and movie and have dinner’ type friends, we’re a the ‘i saved your life now you save mine’ type friends” in season 6 because it think it’s an accurate representation of their friendship. also yeah, tabby is so irritating. farran and noah are my favorites too.

was completely shocked when there were two black people on the screen at the same time, who were not there to be the villain, and were also not killed off brutally and/or unnecessarily.

imogen having a storyline focused on proving her mom's death wasn't a suicide only to find out that it was makes sense to me. i saw her investigation as nothing more than her response to grief. maybe RAS didn't write it as such and he certainly didn't do this plot its justice, but in the context of character's journey i actually apprecciate this arc. for a better approach of this same premise, i recommend 'the truth about keeping secrets' by savannah brown (please check trigger warnings first)

I think I felt my soul withering as Tabby's montage of references played

I honestly liked the original A. It made sense that the original A didnt go around killing people, she was still just a teenage girl. She didnt have the same strength of an adult man. Original A also just made more sense to me, and the reveal was better (i meant Mona and Cece), cause they were actual characters we knew they werent a random principal we saw in rare occasions. I even dare say thay i liked the twin reveal better. The fact that it was predictable and it was the most popular theory before the reveal means that it made sense. While the principal and his random son was too out of nowhere. And i didnt even care about this new A. I cared more about the side plots

They literally have a perfect reboot though: stick to the plot of the books, which actually have a compelling mystery and interesting characters. All I can think of is what a waste it is.

I’m surprised they hadn’t added the twist that aria has a secret twin named Katy Keene. I agree that Bailee is a very good actress and that the show isn’t doing anything to help her out in that department other than the exposure of being part of a franchise like PLL or Riverdale. I think the problem with the HBO reboots is that they are trying to both fix the issues of the past shows while trying to stay relevant and current, but they are being written and created by people who have no idea how to tackle these issue. It’s all style, no substance.

Intro - 0:00 Spoilers - 0:24 PLL is a terrible franchise - 2:19 PLL: OG Sin is amazing - 8:44 ❗Warning! - 9:27 Breakdown - 9:56 A as a villain of the show - 16:14 "This happens every 10 min" - 18:10 Show directing - 19:14 The characters - 22:37 🔸Imogen - 25:13 🔸Mouse - 37:20 🔸Noa - 39:19 🔸Tabby - 41:25, but then jump to 45:26 if you wanna skip the 3 min clips with just her droping movies names 🔸Faran - 46:06 🔸Main mean girl - 47:09 🔸Sheriff Beasley - 48:10 🔸Chip - 49:40 "What" - 50:33 Fillers Storylines - 53:46 List of Useless Plot Points - 55:34 PLL: OG Sin should be a movie - 58:19 The ending - 1:01:10 "I don't believe him [Roberto Sacasa] " - 1:11:06

The thing w/ the movie references is that SOME of them actually could work. The one about Carrie or saying something is "an amnityville level of weird" feels natural enough and like something someone would say. But hearing someone wore a mask and immediately name dropping TCM? As if masks aren't a common trope in general?

I think Amanda the Jedi said that in her video, but this show looks so weirdly out of time, like, you could look at it and think it takes place in the 80s, but everyone has smartphones and social media and stuff. Also, when naming the main five, Roberto's inner teenage fanfic writer probably took over his body

Mouse's storyline was so fucking baffling to me. It is almost like the showrunners wanted to denounce grooming, but because they planned on framing Aria and Ezra as the "perfect couple" (barf) at the end, they had to make her grooming storyline absolutely insane so that it looked nothing like actual cases of grooming. It would have made so much more sense for the dude she was talking to online to 1) pretend to be her bio dad, or 2) catfish her and/or groom her in the way that predators do in real life. It doesn't help that they hardly bother to explain the entire far-fetched plot that they did end up giving her.

The potential of the Karen/Kelly swap was RIGHT THERE for them 🙄

Roberto really wants us to know he’s watched lots of movies, but I have never been convinced he knows what’s good about any of them.

You’re right about the series being ugly- but what i hate the most is their girls SCHOOL. Everytime we see the schools it’s grimy, dirty, dark and filled with yellow light in hallways but then seems bright outside? I get it’s going for the horror element, and maybe it’s meant to be symbolic, but it just made it even harder to see everything and made the school seem unhygienic and gross ( which… i guess makes sense if the janitors gone ). But, it was just a weird choice aesthetically to me cause it felt so disjointed and bad

the way tabby could’ve been my favorite character if not for the constant movie references. it felt unnatural at times but despite that i actually enjoyed her character arc and how she opened up to imogen.

Okay so I recently found out that my High School drama teacher actually taught Shay Mitchell in college. She was telling me over coffee that Mitchell wowed her most not on PLL but when she did this class project that had her performing Romeo and Juliet on a subway (she said something along the lines of "That girl has a classical beauty, she was born for prose", something like that). She even said that she watched PLL even though she couldn't stand the show lol. I mentioned that they were making a spin off show and she just laughed and said that she might honestly tune in but when I told her Mitchell wasn't appearing she honestly seemed dissapointed. IDK i think it's very amusing to imagine my fifty something theatre teacher, who is very much a mix of off broadway drama director and Ms. Darbis from High School Musical watching PLL. I mean good for her for supporting former students lol

“A face only a mother could love” is literally a Phantom of the Opera line

The fact that they r still so insistent on Ezra and aria being a “healthy” couple is disgusting and disappointing. You’d think at this point they’d listen to the criticism. But no lol

when they introduced the entire twin-swapping aspect with kelly and karen (especially when faran became suspicious of kelly) i was sure they were finally committed to the twin plot from the books and do it justice but no. It was the only time i was genuinely intrigued by the plotand i was excited thinking readers of the books would have a piece of the puzzle before anyone else but no. It wasn't even a book easter egg, it was just a huge wast of time.

I think that for as much as Marlene King stretched out the smallest mysteries for way to long, I think PLL Original Sin has the opposite problem of not giving the mysteries any room to grow or develop. For example the deaths of the janitor and Tyler could have become solid leads for the girls to investigate if we weren't rushing to get the whole mystery solved in one season. Also we could have seen Imogen actually investigate instead of miraculously just guess in the right direction. When I was watching the show one of the only plotlines that held weight and involved genuine investigation was the assault plotline with Imogen and Tabby and I think if the show was paced slower the solving of that mystery could have been the season finale that gave us a sense of closure that was then ruined by whatever A did next. In particular I think the show would have been better if the girls didn't actually know whether Karen jumped or was pushed when she died (for one it would explain why they were so weirdly chill about a psycho killer on the loose and then the girls could be wrestling with their own guilty conscious and complicity as well building some more interesting parallels between the girls and the moms) and then maybe it's after a finale where Chip is revealed that they find out Karen was actually murdered, giving a better set up for a season 2.

I said this on Amanda 's video, but wouldn't it have made a little more sense if the 'real' A was Angela's mother? Rose, or something I think her name was. Like, motive wise in a 'you killed my daughter so now I'm going to kill your daughters' kinda way, instead of the father just randomly being revealed. Not that it would have saved anything in this trainwreck. I will say that if I found a 20+ year old flyer in my mum's room, I'd also find it a little sus, like why the heck was she holding onto it.

Such a shame that there's thousands of new passionate showrunners that would revive these franchises because they are passionate about them and actually love them. But instead they give them to the biggest L they could find. Such a shame.

I knew the riverdale writers were involved in this when Tabby started talking about feminism in her film class the exact same way Veronica does and by this I mean that she justs says things like "so I can direct this because I'm a WOMAN?" instead of actually talking about the rampant sexism in the film industry

Let’s face it, Roberto just wanted to reset Riverdale to season 1 without all of the crazy shit he came up with so he used this property. It’s not a mistake that the A storyline is on the background of all these “teen dramas”, it’s by design

IMO the fact that Aria and Ezra has been romanticized to this extent, a relationship that is truly disgusting, makes me sick

I just watched 4 hours of an Australian guy explaining PLL to me so I'm kind of an expert on it.

the dialogue was actually pretty believable for me as a teen - far more than riverdale. it felt like sometimes they took comments from tiktok and ran with it but they weren’t too far off.

I read a few interviews where Roberto admits that they didn't decide a bunch of important things until mid-season. Which is probably why nothing makes sense. Big shocker there.

the thing is alison was a mean girl written by a woman and karen was a mean girl written by a man

Yeah the Queen just died but more importantly friendly space ninja just posted

Bailee Madison is such a brilliant actress, the first show I ever saw her in was this episodic horror show where she played this little girl with a creepy doll, had 10 year old me absolutely terrified and everything Ive seen her in since makes her shine, I can’t believe this show managed to make me want to stop watching her act because her character was so insufferable and inconsistent! Props to her and the rest of the cast tho, they carried the show with their charisma, even with the shaky writing and the many many MANY out of place quotes and references I found the characters compelling and I got attached to them pretty quickly. The storylines… no! edit: I found the show, it’s RL Stine’s The Haunting Hour: The Series and apparently Dylan Minnette was also in it, it’s probably not that good but I remember rewatching Bailee’s episodes religiously lol

I kind of feel bad for Marlene now cuz you could argue that she probably would have done the same thing with pretty Little liars OR she would have actually rised to the challenge. Having learned from her past mistakes, taken into account the fan reaction and disappointment and improved on her past writings. Instead they handed pll off to a guy who literally has had so many failed works but is allowed the privilege of failure.

One thing I DO want to explain was that Faran’s father being arrested was because Tom Beasley was abusing his authority as a police officer after Faran threatened him. And it was made into a big deal because well, they’re black in America. So that’s why Faran immediately goes to Kelly and her mom and tells them everything.

A being the principal has the same energy as gossip girl being the teachers.. I am sensing a pattern here

Tabby's character could have been perfect for this show. Maybe she could have worked if she were more whimsical and fun, almost a comic relief. Didn't take herself or others seriously. Until the events of the show forced her to grow up, face reality, and her mother's secrets. Her outfits could be inspired by popular film costumes with her own flair. It would be a way to showcase her personality, as well as her transformation. How she views herself through the characters she picks to emulate. Having a contrast between the characters she wishes she was more like versus who she actually is. Play with her dialogue by having a few of her movie dialogue lines foreshadow or misdirect the audience. In a way where she misjudged a person or situation. This show had so much potential. Hopefully, season two is better.

RAS is to this channel as Micheal Eisner is to Defunctland. He doesn’t always come up, but when he does, you can feel the disdain and know it’s gonna be a good video

i completely understand your intro statement. i have this weird attachment to the original series, purely because of the concept and aesthetic. alison was this mystical figure, A was a very intriguing villain, the girls actually had personalities, the show was entertaining and sassy, it was awesome. it has bad writing, but i dont think the show is inherently bad.

Did they just mention Cole Sprouse knowing that he plays Jughead in Riverdale so if both shows crossed over, would they acknowledge that Jughead looks very much like Cole Sprouse?

That whole "I was the secret father of the girl and my deformed son is the killer" seems familiar as fuck but I just can't remember what movie/series/franchise it reminds me of

If you're gonna do a Michael Myers style villain, villain in background + loud noise isn't exactly the best option. Part of why the original Halloween is so good is the way you know there's a chance he's there, but you don't know when or where so you find yourself constantly scanning the screen trying to find him. Like yeah there are moments where you get loud scares, but those tend to be accompanied with either the score or a diegetic noise, and they tended to be when Michael actually attacks. Those scares are so good because they're earned; the tension builds and builds and builds, and then it happens and you shit yourself. The loud noise jumpscares have to be earned or they feel cheap. Also, honestly, I think that the staircase scare might have been even more effective if it was either silent or accompanied with fitting music instead of the loud noise.

The moment you said “Archie” I let out the loudest “WHY? WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS??” and you echoing it took me out😂😭

Chip wasn’t murdered in the theatre like you said. The girls actually pressed charges and it was implied that he went to prison/juvie and was murdered at the end of the last episode when A escaped as Chip was on « leave » to pass the holidays with his family.

I just want someone to explain Minnie's storylines. The (SPOILER!) being-stolen-by-her-surrogate-birth-mom thing and the pretending-to-be-missing-little-kids-to-help-grieving-parents thing? Just... What the fuck *was* all that??!!

My favourite part of PLL was that A was always kinda assumed to be one of their peers and was in the end. I think that was a really important part of making it scary for teens watching. The villan being outside their social circles feels so disconnected, especially bc their mothers were the ones who actually did something.

They were smart to release 3 episodes at once. Because based on the first one, I wouldn’t bother waiting a week for the next one. They also introduced way too many teenage girls lol. Between the flashbacks of the moms, to all of the present day girls, I was getting everyone mixed up and I didn’t start knowing the characters names and who they were until like ep 3. And you’re absolutely right.. this doesn’t have the PLL vibe. They could’ve named it anything else in the world and it wouldn’t effect the plot too much lol

K so I was under the impression that Imogen thought the flyer was connected to her mom’s death because she saw her mom receive the flyer before she committed suicide and then she recognized it when she found it on her desk. Then I quickly rewatched the opening scene and they didn’t actually have Imogen see the flyer and he mom just lied to her and told her it was a flyer for a restaurant. But like how hard would it be for them to have Imogen see her mom get the flyer, sees her mom be freaked out by the flyer before she commits suicide, find the flyer later and recognize it, and then connect the rave to her mom’s death? It just seems like an easy fix

If they get renewed for a 2nd season, I really hope they kill off one of the main girls just to raise the stakes. I always hated how in the OG PLL, you just knew the girls would be safe no matter what due to plot armor.

You know the saddest thing about the principal being “A” plot is that I GUESSED IT. Not because I was picking up on the clues the shows was _strategically_ dropping, not because I’m some master sleuth that can create a whole theory from the show’s breadcrumbs they call a plot, but because it LITERALLY COULDN’T BE ANYONE ELSE. We know that whoever “A” is wants revenge against the people responsible for Angela’s death so that eliminates all the students because they weren’t born at the time. It also can’t be any of the adults because they all, in one way or another, were responsible for Angela’s suicide - like the moms and Sheriff - or they were completely irrelevant to the main plot- like Mouse’s fake dad or Imogen’s dad (who I actually thought for a time was “A”). It could’ve only been the principal because he was LITERALLY the only other person in the show who was there and made sense for the writers to use as some dumb plot twist - and I may have ran with it if it wasn’t for the AWFUL, PATHETIC, performance he gave when revealing he was “A”. He sounded more like a loser getting back at his bullies then a serial manipulator, abductor, and killer.

you gotta admit, it takes some real skill, skill beyond human comprehension to make the original pretty little liars, and marlene look better by comparison. well done Roberto edit: knowing that riverdale is in the same universe, it really makes me wonder what that war was archie was fighting in, where for some reason they were in ww1 style trenches, wearing ww2 era clothing

i feel like in pll original sin the liars weren't really liars. aria, hanna, emily and spencer all had (a lot of) secrets that could destroy their lives. they had to lie really often, even to the police. here it just doesn't work. there are barely any stakes, barely any mystery

it’s been 84 years since this video was announced and every one of them has been worth it

Dylan: "The mastermind...was the principal." Me: ... "What?" (and I said this out loud)

Oh, Roberto is absolutely gonna make a crossover episode between Original Sin and Riverdale. *He wouldn't have mentioned they existed in the same universe otherwise...* Edit: Also, the bar isn't on the ground, it's buried 6 feet under and Roberto *still* found a way to trip on it!

The most intriguing thing about the original A was that they were always lying in wait only to appear to mentally abuse the cast. A was never meant to scary, but menacing, manipulative, and smart. Making the new A texas chainsaw knockoff just takes any intelligence away from him for not being able to understand who the girls are and how to really get under their skin. It also makes it so there’s reasonable belief about the girls being able to beat A because after all is said and done, A is just like them. A young sad victim. There isn’t a power dynamic in the ways they operate. They all played dirty, threw hissy fits, and used girl tactics to hurt each other. Making the new A just a killer man makes it harder to relate to the A character and makes it harder to understand his motives and method of operations when it’s just stand around and murder people. Original show’s A never really murdered anyone on purpose. It was never about killing it was about hurting people emotionally and mentally.

So what you’re saying is… The true villain this whole time has been Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa?

Also I love Imogen's style in this show. It's so cozy and cute - I especially love her cardigans and her homecoming dress.

My biggest problem is that they keep recycling the same shitty concept of Marlene King that is “if the public never gets to really meet this character they will never suspect that he is the one behind it” I HATE THAT! They did a Spencer twin all over again with a character that was so minimal that I wouldn't even call him a secondary character. In any good whodunnit you NEED the audience to suspect your chosen killer at some point and then go “nah, it can't be him/her” and then you shock them. What you can't do is invent your killer out of nowhere so you can feel smarter than your audience when in reality what you did is cheat, not outsmart. Think about Scream, you spend the whole movie suspecting is Billy and then it hits you hard when he actually is cuz you stopped suspecting about him towards the end cuz you thought he would be too obvious. It was brilliant, and the movie let you play along as an audience, while PLL never actually let you do that and gives a very condescending attitude “I'll be the one giving you all the answers. You are not allowed to go there yourself alone“. They clearly don't want you to guess it and they give you zero chances. That sucks.

Listen, flaws and all, the show had a decent storyline/characters. True, Tabby’s movie references got old FAST, Mouse’s (more interesting) backstory wasn’t really explored, and the finale wasn’t the best, but all in all, with Roberto at the wheel, it could’ve been worse. But shout out to PLL for staying true to their big sister show and making the A reveal pure GARBAGE!

5:55 I've never seen a single Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa show, but I've seen enough of your videos to yell "NOOOOOO" as soon as you mentioned him as the architect to this series

A problem I have with the character writing in a lot of shows is that in order to write intelligent, intuitive characters, the writers themselves have to have those qualities. It's very difficult to write a character who is more intelligent than you are. It's theoretically possible, I suppose, but I can't think of any instances of it actually happening off the top of my head. Even in generally well-regarded shows I find myself facepalming at the things supposedly intelligent characters do, or don't do. Essentially, writers like to TELL you that a character is smart, and they hope that you'll assume everything they do from that point on is a smart person thing, but they fail at the task of actually SHOWING you that the character is smart.

Imogen also has Sabrina's same face expressions and even the same aesthetic

What I love about Space Ninja, Amanda the Jedi and Kenny JD is that they can pick apart and shit talk something so eloquently, but still be like "I absolutely loved this show back in the day, still do!" Because that's exactly how I feel about it too😂 like "it's trash, I know! But I'm still going to get way too invested in it!"

When you're going off about how Imogen's jumps to conclusions don't make sense in the early investigation ... I kinda agree but also I wonder if they meant for it to come across like Imogen is reaching for something, anything, to explain her mother's actions. In the show, even when she finds out later that her mother had massive guilt over Angela, and struggled with depression, she insists it must have been A who murdered her mom. She can't accept the alternative, that her mom did that on purpose. She's not the first to refuse to accept that a loved one k-worded themselves. Idk if it's bad writing or what, but they could have for sure pushed that denial angle more. Imogen is young, under enormous stress and trauma, about to have a baby, lost all her friends and her mother, and now she's being stalked by a violent person. I don't think it's that strange that she's obsessing over a potential mystery that would explain why her mother did what she did.

Of all the reviews I’ve seen about this show, you’re the only one to mention that Imogene’s pregnancy literally brought nothing to the plot. I felt that as soon as I finished the show and my sister agrees with me. I suppose it’s meant to parallel what happened to Angela and A’s whole thing is that he goes after bullies? But you’re right, the show literally could’ve gone without it. I’m just over teen pregnancy in shows, it sends such a bad message! And that stupid plot to find out who that father is 😭 they really thought they did something with that idea! They were so happy that it got narrowed down to 66 people but where would you even start?? 66 is still a lot of people, especially if you don’t know which 66! But then they had a massive (and random) realization that made them think of Chip? It also didn’t really go into why Tabby had a hidden camera in the boys’ locker room, like was it part of a revenge plot, or was she using it as a way to see if she remembers who assaulted her? It was never talked about but it was so strange! And ILLEGAL since it’s technically child p???

Thank you for talking about the freakin janitor!!! I asked about him after every damn episode AND NO ONE NOTICED HIS ABSENCE 💀💀💀

The moment Robertos name was dropped I knew the series would be a disaster

Just wanted to say that I love how FSN really protects the actors from bad writing. I think that's pretty cool.

one of the things abt the finale specifically that bothered me SO MUCH was the age casting of the principal in relation to the moms. he’s supposed to be angela’s father, which means that he should be old enough to be the father of any of the moms, since they were all the same age as angela. which ALSO means he should be the age of a grandfather to the liars, which absolutely cracks me up because he doesn’t look it at all, and it feels like the writers didn’t even think about that. the actor for the principal is only about ten years older than the actresses for the moms, the smallest age gap being 8 yrs between him and lea salonga. even if he was really young when angela was born, that’s a stretch. so… WHY?? if they were so determined to make it angela’s father, commit to the bit and cast an old dude. OR just make him an old boyfriend of angela’s (like they hinted at with the train guy) so that his age makes sense. it just pisses me off so much because it feels like there wasn’t an ounce of thought put into any of it

one thing that really bothered me is we never get to find out why angela was so messed up on her way to the rave. we see her get into a fight with her mom but she doesn’t look hurt, just upset. did she get attacked on the way? like there was no confirmation on why she was sobbing & limping