Price of the first affordable electric sportscar, the MG Cyberster, revealed 

ugly front end though, interioir

We just need oz dollar to rise to 80 USA be better. Or either better against Chinese yen.

Mg China?

EV's won't 'succeed' in the medium to long term unless the politicians get out of the mindset of using them to enrich themselves and their friends. The charging infrastructure, apart from Tesla's supercharger network, is appalling and it's not improving. And what about the energy supply problems? In the UK, we can barely cope with current demand let alone the demands of mass EV charging.

Aged - Mazda is missing out on EVs, period. Like so many of the Japanese car manufacturers.

They know EXACTLY what they're doing. EV tech is a money losing enterprise that only exists because of government (taxpayer) subsidies.

Im glad they're in no rush to electrify.

Correct

What about that car carrier burning up in the North Sea? EVs are great to start a car-b-que. 😎

As if. Tickle Tickle, we know you are rich.

It's not an MG thought is it. I've stuck RR badge on my fiesta, but it's still a Ford. It's a SAIC (let's do half union jack rear lights to keep the illusion going).

Hardly matters, given that the government prevents you from buying them.

Prestige cars are VERY expensive in Australia, both new and used. Way more expensive than in the UK. However, there seems to be an unexplained discrepancy in the comparative price of EVs in Australia and New Zealand, which goes beyond the fact that there are still Government rebates for new EVs in Australia and NZ, whereas they've ended in the UK. I don't know why, but even Teslas are cheaper in Australia and NZ than they are in the UK, and that is after Tesla reduced its prices in the UK. Tesla did a smart thing in the UK. After having raised its prices significantly, in-line with the very expensive prices of new competitors in the EV segment, it soon after reduced them again, making Tesla comparatively good value. Given Tesla's lead in technology, range, performance, and of course, charging infrastructure, Tesla is now the price leader in the EV segment in the UK. There is only one brand that significantly undercuts Tesla on price in the UK and that is MG, but the MGs aren't in the same league. Of course, there are other EVs on the market, but I think it's fair to say that MG and Tesla have the largest shares of EV sales in the UK. If you can't afford a Tesla, you are more likely than not buying an MG, and if you need an estate car (wagon), there is only the MG5. Currently, there is no brand in the EV segment in the UK cheaper than MG, and all the other cheaper than Tesla options are so close to Tesla prices that it doesn't make much sense to buy them. The VW ID range feels cheap and nasty even compared to MG, and the VAG group products all have expensive options. Kia's EV6 is in short supply, and is ultimately priced against the Model Y. Hyundai's Ioniq 5 has had rave reviews, but is also priced against the Model Y. Nissan's new Ariya is more expensive than the Model Y, etc, etc, etc. And utlimately, it comes down to charging infrastructure. Tesla has it, while all others still don't. Tesla has reduced its prices so that they aren't beaten on price, and they have the supercharger netwwork. Very smart. And the only brand that's selling EVs for significantly less is MG. The offerings between MG and Tesla, either have expensive options, are from new Chinese brands, or have long wait times. Here in the UK, it seems as if there's now a lot of choice in the EV segment, especially for crossovers, but given the general lack of infrastructure, Tesla remains the compelling choice. Even without the supercharger network, Tesla is price competitive, and when you consider they have leading technology, range and performance, they are price leaders. The only thing that lets Tesla down is its reputation for poor build quality. And the reviews of the Model Y stated the ride was too hard, which has apparently been addressed. Anyway, I've lived in the US, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Europe and the Middle East, and average cars in the US were by far the cheapest, although that was some time ago. Of course, the US hasn't traditionally had a significant sub-compact market, so the cheapest cars are sold elsewhere. And now we have really cheap cars being sold in the emerging markets, particularly in Asia. There also used to be countries in Europe that were significantly cheaper than the UK, and some people even ordered right-hand drive cars from European dealers and imported them, but no longer. If you look at the prices of European cars in the US, they are significantly cheaper in the UK, both new and used. Maybe new prices of some cars are a little lower in Europe than in the UK, but if you look at used prices that's not the case. In Europe, used prices are relatively high and the average miles (kilometres) covered is extremely high compared to cars in the UK. Overall, the UK is in fact one of the cheaper car markets. And you also have to consider the cost of ownership, particularly maintenance. The UK has a lot of marque specialists offering expertise and competitive labour rates, and there's generally good availability of parts and often multiple suppliers. In New Zealand, for instance, that's not the case. In many countries, if you buy anything remotely special, it's significantly more expensive to buy and also to maintain. There may well be only one importer/dealer in the country and only one service centre. The technicians may have lower expertise. Often, they haven't been on all the factory courses, or you have one trained technician leading a workshop where none of the other mechanics have any specialist marque training or any training with a comparable marque. Trying to keep even a very ordinary car well-maintained can be essentially impossible in some countries where the average mechanic is a 'cowboy'. Lastly, in addition to what RCdiy said, some countries have a culture of dealers charging more than MSRP, commonly termed overs. That hasn't really been a thing in the UK, although Covid resulted in many delivery mileage 'used' vehicles being marketed for overs. However, the market in recent weeks appears to recovering, with more used cars up for sale since Covid, meaning new cars are now arriving in greater numbers, and new car sales numbers, however they are calculated, back that up. And the amount of overs being asked, even for special cars, is also dropping quite quickly.

I know an engineer who built it, and he said that in China, it costs less than $40,000 in the most advanced configuration😂

I know an engineer who built it, and he said that in China, it costs less than $40,000 in the most advanced configuration

I wouldn't go quite that far, but the Cyberster could be somewhat of a disruptor. I doubt Porsche expected MG to launch such a car with the option of well in excess of 500bhp. I would think that's making them rethink the power options for the upcoming Boxster/Cayman EVs.

@@nigel.w mg is only the beginning.... soon i'll expect merc and byd will do an AMG ev sports car

Protected from Chinese cars? Actually missing out on. What a pity. The US is rather betting on Vinfast.

You could drive almost anywhere in the UK on 1 charge and there are fast chargers all over the place if you even need one. It's an island so it's not like they are going on super long road trips.

Agreed - if you drive beyond currently available range I’d question whether a driving licence is appropriate if you’re not planning to stop for a break regardless of car type. I do however agree that charging infrastructure is still a major issue here.

​@@CL-gq3noGosh no, you don't understand the UK mentality. The must have requirement for any EV to be remotely considered useable is that it must do the "standard commute" which is defined as:- Lands End to John O'Groats (i.e. the length of the country), it must do this both ways, without stopping, towing a caravan, with the wipers, lights and heating on in the middle of winter, fully laden and in under 18 hours. Otherwise an EV is utterly useless.

@@CL-gq3no does fast chargers refill the car in 2-3 minutes?

@@CL-gq3no Yes I live in the centre of the UK, if I drove 300 miles I would be in the sea.

it'll be heavy but will stick to the road really well as the weight is spread across the car and at the base

yout country and most people there want to decouple from china....

Maybe if they asked politely?🤔

Can't pass the safety standards.

​@@aceroadholder2185 Safety standards in US 😂....

​@@aceroadholder2185 No, it's trucks that don't have to pass the strict safety standards but this will be a very safe car

I know one of the engineers who built it, and he says it costs less than $50,000 in China😂

Just move to the UK, you would be very welcome, and you won't need any guns😊

@jimmyh6601 I actually lived there for 3 years as the first Yank to ever trade in all three Commodity Exchanges in the early 80's. I love the sport MG back then too. I don't believe in Guns by the way.

I traded in the Cereal House near Tower Hill. I traded in Cocoa Exchange.

I doubt it, but the F-Type is dead already; Jaguar will soon be an EV-only brand.

@@nigel.w i doubt Tata has much EV tech or experience...

@@fatdoi003 Presumably Jaguar will build on the experience/expertise it gained with the I-Pace. I don't know how much EV tech/experience Tata has, but they have the money to buy that in if they want to, and I don't think it makes much sense for a small company like Jaguar to develop EV tech by itself. IMO, it would be smart if Jaguar could simply form a joint partnership with Tesla and re-clothe Tesla's platforms and maybe tweak suspension and handling to be more Jag-like. I think that kind of marriage would actually work well for both companies. However, Tesla would probably not want Tata involved, even if it was prepared to to deal with Jaguar.

@@fatdoi003 jaguar have the i-pace on sale now.

@@kevinnicholson7722 is i pace a running success? last.time i can remember it's almost a forgotten car without updates or any follow up models...

Prestige brands in Australia are way more expensive, both new and used. However, there appears to be a discrepancy for EVs.

MG not bothered about North America. US doesn't want Chinese's cars

Some cars sell on looks alone

You won't have to have the yoke; it's an option.

I think the base model (fully loaded) needs to be under the GBP40K tax level. Most British people are big time brand snobs; certainly those that can afford such cars new. And next year there'll be the new EV Boxster/Cayman range, which I'd expect to start circa 55K, certainly sub-60K. Maybe it'll be launched at a much higher price than it ends up selling for. One thing's for sure, they'll be much cheaper than a Boxster when three years old. That'll probably be the time to consider one if indeed they are considered to be any good. They'll have to be more than just quick in a straight line. And the build quality and materials quality will also have to be good to retain value. Of course, when they're three years old, the technology will be old hat. EVs looked to be holding their prices until a couple of months ago when prices dropped dramatically. You can now get a Tesla Model 3 Performance, which actually drives rather well, for less than half the new price with less than 30k miles. The pre-facelift MG EVs are also available with less than 30k miles for circa half the price of a new one. Even the Porsche Taycan is not holding its prices. Whereas, the 981 Boxster S, now as old as 11 years, has retained circa 3/4 of its price when new. Will EV technology move on to a point where it doesn't advance rapidly? I don't know. But for the foreseeable future, I think EVs are going to depreciate almost as fast as computers and cellphones, as those that can afford them in the first place will want the latest tech.

A 7 year warranty certainly helps with any risk!

@@jimmyh6601 not when the customer service is non existant. So will either ignore the problems or wiggle out of all of them

I know one of the engineers who built it, and he says it costs less than $50,000 in China😂

I know a few farms where it won’t have the range to get to the front gate, but people on those farms use planes to pick up their mail.😂 small farms in coastal areas will like them as they can easily be charged from solar panels and won’t disturb livestock.🤔🦘

I owned too many bogan mobiles myself that I can’t count.

I wish I had a two car garage.🤔

Shame that it’s so cold there. Aussies just want an overnight bag with a swimsuit and a toothbrush.🤔

What makes you think it wont take a suitcase.

Probably, at 70 you'll still be okay. At 75, it may be a problem. But we all age differently.

That’s a very consumer friendly regulation, makes comparison between dealers & vehicles easy.

@@radart6037 It was done about 35 years ago. It was a nightmare before that! Bottom line is you can’t directly compare US prices with UK prices. Also UK cars are often higher spec, even Tesla’s have improved alarm sensors and other brands UK is usually higher spec, even for the same model e.g. Alloy wheels.

In Aus, yes, but in the UK it'll be a brave person who buys one over a comparatively-priced Porsche Boxster. I don't understand what Sam is saying about UK prices. Maybe he's just talking about EV prices? But UK prices of prestige brands are way lower than in Aus, both new and used.

@@nigel.w but $70k ain’t that prestigious pricing now in Australia. That like high Spec Tiguan money, or mid spec ford ranger.

@@TheMelbournelad That wasn't what I was saying. True prestige cars are very much more expensive in Australia than in the UK. Ordinary cars new are somewhat more expensive, except EVs. Basically Sam is wrong in general about UK car prices, but he's right when it comes to sub-premium EVs. One reason is that Oz still has Govt incentives. But I think there's more to it than just that. Otherwise, IMO the Aussie auto scene is a rip-off. It's more expensive than even NZ.

Porsche taycan starts at double the price for no options basic model and goes way up. It is a different league of car.

​@@tomooo2637 0 competition until the Boxster comes

I know an engineer who built it, and he said that in China, it costs less than $40,000 in the most advanced configuration

Yeah... but Neta is not coming to Australia anytime soon, right? Same can be said to the Nio, Xpeng, Li, Hiphi, Zeeker and Link&Co. They are heading to the Europe first, because it is not really a sensible decision to set up expensive influences at a vast country which has it's total population lower than the city of Shanghai.

that's china price, you do have to pay people to bring it and sell it in your country. doubling the china price is about right.

30k in Europe? That would be amazing. But that's not going to happen. Get the Neta to Europe, including the EU Homologation process, transport costs, raising the price because "it goes to Europe and the Europeans shall pay more", import taxes and a whole variety of additional taxes as well, and you will see the Neta getting pretty much the same price tag as the Cyberster.

@@challenger2205 oke

What others have said, plus, IMO the Cyberster looks better. Also, MG has brand recognition, and has also established itself as being well-supported by its dealer network. IMO, MG has the best chance of any Chinese-made brand to be successful in the UK, Australia, etc. Given the prices in Australia for premium brands, it probably stands a better chance there of being a success than in the UK, where one would expect the new Boxster/Cayman EVs to not be much more money.

Ill probably get it ex demo or used. Save 10k

Ute also used in New Zealand. Traditionally speaking, to call any kind of car a truck would be confusing.

I'd rather have the Cyberster!

You are right, except for the truck part, which is an Americanism. Like in the UK, traditionally speaking, in Oz a truck is a lorry.

It will be 5 star, just like MGs other cars

Truck in this context is an Americanism. Skip the truck bit for UK, Aus, NZ. A truck is a lorry. Ute is simply utility vehicle, without the sports. Back in the day they were only bought by tradespeople. Work utility vehicle. Not sure WUV would catch on, though. People who bought them would end up being called Wuvies. ;)

Hey Stef , Nige , in Oz we like to shorten our words if we can .🇦🇺😂

@@malcolmrickarby2313 Perfectly fine with me. The Viking should have realized what "ute" stood for. Otoh, who knows how many Australians just call it a ute without ever giving the origin of the word a second thought. 🙂