Its true. Its not like hes the final decider on whos the goat. Its just another opinion. But he made it obvious who his choice is by the last line that he said and faded out on Jordan.
@@sethmackenzie2839 "im prepared to say who i choose, even if its by the slightest of hairs" and fades on Jordan. That seems pretty obvious to me he chooses Jordan. Besides its the right answer because Jordan never choked in the finals.
Mike Alaniz i understand so jordan never choked in the finals and that phrase was a referance to him😂 maybe i just take things to litteraly since i never heard him say jordan
Jordan's game 6 in the 1998 NBA Finals was his greatest performance. He knew that his best chance to win was game 6 and with Pip being out, Jordan carried that team. He made all of the right plays in those final 40 seconds and sunk that dagger that cemented his legacy.
@@hornetsxo4694 youre not wrong, but if you technically look at the amount he actually played, its a lil over 11 seasons worth as a bull. he only played 18 reg season games his sophomore year cus of a foot injury, not like he played his reg min when he came back either. they unleashed him in the playoffs against the celtics. he came back from retirement in '95 with like 17 games left in the reg season.
It's important to note that it took MJ just 11 seasons to do a majority of his damage. It took Lebron 17 just to get close. Like the kids say nowadays, "there are levels to this".
Jordan averages more offensive rebounds than lebron even though he averages less total rebounds. Something to think about when it comes to that statistical category.
what is the stat? offensive rebounds is basically gold for guards hehe.. westbrook defensive rebounds must not count hehe but offensive rebounds well that is great
Mj played in an era where they were less possessions and slower pace and yet still have near better figures than lebron. Plus mj didnt choke away a chip
@@shaft9000 Rings don't tell the whole story. You arent going to tell me KD is better than Lebron because he's 2-2. Or that Bill Russel is the goat because he has 11 rings.
@@47hundo86 that's my point. my point is that "rings are the only measure by which we measure greatness" is an idiodic premise, which you seem to agree with. There is a perfectly legitimate reason to call MJ the GOAT, look at his scoring titles.
With how people so comfortably established Jordan as the GOAT (sometimes even before his second repeat), for LeBron to even contest that #1 spot is already an incredible achievement
Jamal Jones for a long time it was Wilt then Kareem. If you talk to my grandpa he’ll argue forever about how Wilt is so much better than Jordan it’s all generational
For me is so simple: MJ is the GOAT, and I think he'll always be. That been said, my favorite player of all time will always be LBJ. And I don't need to disrepect one to love the other. Just enyoj
I wish everyone was as logical as you. It's called GREATEST of All Time not favorite player. I love both players neither is my favorite player ever but I love them both and recognize their greatness.
@@justicedavis5705 So great to find people thinking like you. Yes, to be honest, MJ is very, very far from my Top 15 of favorite players, but still I know he is the GOAT, and I love watching his games and highlights. That simple. Just to know, who is your favorite player(s)?
@@champFichtnerBourne I'm a Laker fan so Kobe and Magic are my top 2 then It's probably Jordan. Outside of those 3 most of my favorite players are shorter guys because their playstyle was easier to imitate so A.I. and Tim Hardaway.
@@justicedavis5705 Cool! I loved Kobe so much! I exaggerated saying MJ is not in my Top 15 hahahaha sorry btw. Sadly, As I told u LBJ is my favorite, but as a Suns fans, Steve Nash comes in 2nd, then Chris Paul. I also like those kind of short and fast players
@@digimon3522 he played all 82 games in almost every season No load management also, and there wasn't evem that "play off mode" shit, MJ always dominated
Prime Jordan was just athletically ridiculous, specially in 88-89 season, when he was casually making i think 3 foot jump shots vertically, it's like every shot was a pause in the air, and he was also very quick and dunking on big dudes like so easy, up to this date I've never seen somebody even close to doing it.
Facts bro . Im still amazed watching him on RU-vid the things he could do was simply breath taking . Like u said I've still to the date never seen anything any man do what he could do and never lose in the big game that is unheard of..
Yep, that's why they say that you have to be perfect if you wanna beat Jordan's legacy, he had too many achievements in a little less than a decade. Being the best offensive and defensive player in the same season, and leading the Bulls to the 2 triplets by being the best scorer in those 2 lapses.
"Kids today are going to swear that LeBron James is the greatest ever because when you look at him play, it's hard to imagine there being someone better than that, but kids I'm here to tell you, there was someone better than that."-Max Kellerman.
@@johnmalana7965 nah I'm saying, it just depends on the time zones 🤷🏽♂️ wilt was a beast, Kareem, Bill, pistol, The legend himself cousy, Julius Irving, Larry lol, Magic, And you already know MJ, those players don't get respect like MJ, which sucks they deserve it, just mj was in the perfect situation lol he got dog players and one of the best wing defenders ever, I would say the greatest but I'm a bit biased because of kawhi Leonard haha, and the best rebounder of all time. Dennis roddman
I’ve seen all the stats for both... at this point, I don’t care about the numbers. One thing I know for sure... no one looked better on the court (and in the air) than MJ. NO ONE.
Im 34 and can go back to MJ beating Portland in the finals. So I've seen the bulk of Championship MJ. He was definitely amazing man. Hands down. I've seen Brons career in it's entirety. Both are legendary. U can't deny that. Im definitely more of a Bron fan than MJ but i do feel MJ is Goat. Im just glad my guy is in the conversation. Im also glad i got to witness 2 of the best to ever do it. Great video btw
I can come up with a bunch of statistical reasons why MJ is better, but in the end what I always start with is the caliber of players Lebron has had is so much better than MJ. Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Davis, are all more impressive individual players than Pippen ever was. Pippen statistically was equivalent to an Antawn Jamison, although Jamison had more elite years. And ironically Jamison is one of the players on the Lebron teams that everyone says had no good players.
@@dash4800 but the rest of the league is also better. Almost every team in the league has someone on the bench now with a 46 inch vertical or better. Players are faster and stronger. Even ish Smith and dj Augustine out here breaking ankles shooting 3's amd dunking as back up point guards. Along with LeBron not getting the opportunity to Charles Barkley his way into so many more points. Ie. Back someone down in the post for 11 seconds. And the luxery of forcing the other team to play man against you do to rules.
@@321madmatt the players didnt get that much stronger or faster, the technology and trainingmethods got way better. lbj benefits as much from this as anyone else today
@@CaesarMagnum definitely a case of both. Players are much faster on average, have higher verticals on average. Can dribble and shoot better as a league and I believe are taller to even since the 80s although definitely since the 60s
@TheRealist 811 i think it was %63 MJ and %19 or %21 LBJ. And other than that , we all know it was gonna be a MJ documentary. I love how MJ always wait it out for the documentary and then after 2016 Championship, he signed the contracts. Also, this new generation actually can see more footage of both players, can search a lot more stats and numbers about both of them. And because they watch LBJ and they also watch MJ too, they can decide who is better. If u look into +30 years people, most of them stuck to past and cant admit that LBJ is better. if not, cant admit he is really close to MJ and MJs Legacy. I am a basketball and LBJ fan, a Curry, a Kobe Fan. A MJ fan too. But MY GOAT is without a doubt LBJ. Lately, ive been talking and arguing about it a lot, so i search evwrything, every championship and playoff run MJ and LBJ had, every stats etc. I watch higglights and lowlights of both of them. And by the time, i came to realise LBJ is just better. And even tho MJ has 6-0 and scoring titles. LBJ's legacy and wht LBJ has done in his career is just greater than MJ. You shouldnt act like the only achievement in basketball are championships, finals record. But MJ is my 2nd without a doubt, so i respect people who puts him ahead of Bron. Btw I believe people will come to realise that LBJ is just better than MJ in 10-20 years. I really can see thats happening.
@TheRealist 811 most guys, like i said, is stuck there and car get out and admit LBJ's greatness but ofc its their opinion. Lebron literally helped Kyrie become who he is now, without MJ there was always gonna be Pippen. Pippen is a really really good player. I dont believe without LBJ, Kyrie is being a superstar. He has the skills and everything but he became the man thx to Bron. You said MJ never leaver Chicago. There is something slightly important to talk about there. MJ had an almost superteam after Pippen joined, im not talkinh about the last 3 championships, that was absolute nuts. But even with Pippen and decent role players, a nearsuper team. Compare to what LBJ got and what he faced to what MJ got and what he faced; we both know MJ had more advantage. Even in Miami, even in 2013, he had to carry even that team to the finals when Bosh and Wade playing like shit. If u watch those games you know what im talkin about. Other than that, James all career stats are easily better than MJ's Chicago* career stats. LBJ's playoff and finals games are easily more succesful than MJ's and if you look to game score leadings etc. You can see what im talkin about. Even with that much scoring title youd think MJ is the most efficient player, but most of the people say LBJ cant shoot and MJ isnt even more efficient than LBJ himself. Not in paint not in 3P line not in Long range. Im not saying MJ isnt great. Those watch u wrote there is awesome, but if u watch games, playoff runs, finals, all time stats; if u search how game score and efficiency works, how much both MJ and LBJ helped their team and how much LBJ is better(but still cant win those 6 finals). Look its simple dude, put LBJ in MJ spot. LBJ is winning at least 5 championships likr MJ did, Put MJ in LBJ's spot MJ is winning 1 mayybe 2 Miami championship probably 2011 or 2012 at best. And no other championships. And MJ is not even going to finals in 07, 17, 18. Thats my point. BTW TYSM FOR READING MY COMMENTS AND CHAT.
So lebron prime his whole career? So that means he got swept 2 times, lost to Jason terry, got gentleman swept, got beat by the biggest margin in finals history spurs, lost to Orlando with only 1 star, missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons, missed the playoffs every year with the lakers, .. has 0 finals game tieng shots, has 0 finals games buzzer beaters, isn't clutch, needed 42 trades since 2010, played with more all-stars than any nba player in history and has 6 losses? Wow his prime nwas so good😂😂
@Clay Slade it's probably because Jordan became Bird's bitch and we know he's a trash talker, he probably meant it as "I'm better than Jesus himself" and we all know what happened the next game after he said that.
no one else can say they had phil jackson!!! arguably the goat coach and a strong supporting cast. edit: it’s crazy the way people attack you for making a comment about a basketball player. imagine worshipping another man so much you’re triggered at the mere idea of someone not revering them as much as you do. y’all gotta start getting some hobbies and doing more fulfilling things with your lives 😭
they weren't good...back then they had no KD, Steph, James Harden, Dame, Russ etc and all the greats of this era that era obviously had some tough great players but be real when we actually compare talent of this era. LeBron being the best for this long compared to players of this era says a lot
@@quxncy9492 there were definitely great players in every era and especially in the 80s and 90s. Yes Lebron is an all-time great for being great for this long and numbers he has been putting up. Although Bron's career isn't done yet. Jordan's resume is already ridiculous to beat from many all time great, let alone Bron. He's been an All-Star every year he played except for one year coming out of retirement. Averaged almost 30 points as a rookie. 3 peat twice. Give you 35 on one end and lock you up on the other end. All time defensive team 9 times as a first option on offense is so difficult to do throughout the years. This is just a short list too.
QUXNCY David Robinson, Penny Hardaway, Shaq, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, isiah Thomas, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Patrick Ewing, Magic Johnson. Yeah shut it
@@chocolatedrop4578 technicalities with no context. He barely played a few games in season 2, the rest with minutes restriction for 18 total games and only 17 games in 95.
I give lebron credit for taking good care of his body and at his age playingbon a high level... but MJ never backed down on any of his finals appearance.
@@gabinidal6908 the so-called goat debate it gives you insight into how depraved human brains are because I'm older guy I watched MJ's whole career to the Finish and I don't even remember anyone ever making a big hubbub about him being the best or the greatest of all time it was just right there in your face. So it seems like nowadays if you like a certain player or like a certain thing that you have to make it appear to be the best or greatest of all time otherwise ... is like it's nothing
@@donjohnswaggert its the NBA's doing imo .. after MJ retired, the league's ratings were declining... so they had to market someone who can fill in or they can claim to be the GOAT... its all for the ratings 💰 🤑 💸
@@gabinidal6908 there is actually a documentary where are the three gentlemen who changed the rules in the NBA to promote offense clearly stated that they knew the NBA was totally changed forever
MJ all the way! its the speed and agility, Michael wasn't that big but there comes the technique. I wish these videos were less diplomatic and take a stand on who is better
Michael Jordan is the single greatest grower and fostered his sport more than ever in the history of professional athletes. This claim will never be substantiated, but I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that more people on this planet know of, and or are fans of, and play basketball because of Michael Jordan than any other single reason that could be named. His level of fame made his sport better simply because he was alive to play it. No other professional athlete can make that claim with the possible exception of Muhammad Ali, but THAT is the caliber of person we're talking about here. Numbers and stats are what they are, but it's the intangible fact that Jordan simply exists to play basketball that makes him the greatest of all time.
If ali sold his ppl out, went to fight in Vietnam and did anything to avoid hurting his sponsorships and contracts. But no mj was just lucky the league and nike were both going bankrupt at the same time and needed a star
Then why'd Phil Jackson take MJ off Magic and put 6'7" Scottie Pippen and have Pippen pick him up from full court. Because LeBron guards all 5 positions at a rate Jordan can't dream of matching
@@FruityBoyToy Y'all sound dumb with this Guarding all 5 positions, so you telln me as the Shooting Guard am supposed to leave the Top and go to Mark the Center or the Power or Small Forward am on the Top am only supposed to run bck to help now a Power Forward which is Lebrons True position bcse of his Body size but plays Point Forward after this was invented by Phil for Pip is free to Roam to go with it he's wht 6'7 wht 278lbs just calln a # of pure muscle so yes he can mark any Center of today but put him against Tim even tho he's Stronger he doesn't have the intelligence to mark Tim he's a lost cause against Olajawun n Shaq. As a Power forward there are so many old ones he cnt handle he wud drown in the Ocean swimming to catch Bird he cnt deal with Rodman, Oakley and why those days the game was ruff with all the Complaining travelling and flops tht he does he cudnt make it in yesteryear. Someone said something abt MJ askn for help a mean of course yes he did but Lebron DEMANDED who he wntd to Team up with and thts the difference btwn askn for help.
@@FruityBoyToy They Switched bcse Pip is taller than MJ, Magic is wht 6'9 Pip is wht 6'8 a mean y'all serious it's only common sense oooppsss then again I take tht back bcse I realize tht plenty of y'all just go on wht you see plus wht y'all hear and dnt tlk for the inevitable which is y'all Emotions bcse y'all think we hate LBJ bcse we're MJ Fans. A mean we cud spread it right out bcse the most y'all cud say against MJ is tht he cudnt win without Pip and he was a loser in the 80's but we cud say outta 9 consecutive trips to the NBA FINALS LBJ only won 6 and within those 6 losses he was swept 2x, he also Travels Flops and Complains like a Baby in an no hand chkn era, he has only repeated once and he was held to single digits in the 2hlf of a NBA FINALS Game. So come with all you Stats and the fact tht he can Guard all 6 positions on the Court it still doesn't make him a better player than MJ. ....... SImple whether you like it or not
@S C Russell and Kareem have better arguments. Kareem has more wins and championships combined across all levels or play. Conference championships are good for win averages, 1st round exits are bad for averages.
@S C Can’t have a finals without a conference championship. This is why I mentioned who I mentioned, especially Kareem. I factor direct matchups, team/organization strength, trends/play styles, rules(zone, hand checking, illegal defense, 3 in a key, etc), “context”, years played, stats, percentages/averages, teammates, coaching, schemes.
Willy Garcia but that doesn’t make any sense? Why would he claim that Jordan is the goat over a player that brought his team it’s only championship? Dude sounds like he’s reaching for likes. Dude is not a real fan. Ask a Celtics fan who is better , bird or magic? Dude any Celtics fan would say bird regardless of actual statistics
Willy Garcia for instance michael Jordan hasn’t done anything for the city of Cleveland. Why would he claim Jordan, when Lebron brought 5 conference titles and the first title of all time to the Cavs. To a true Cavs fan, anything outside of Cleveland shouldn’t even exist.
@@PAAKWAMEPAA Lebron can be his favourite player, but the GOAT is MJ, no doubt. Bird vs Magic is a real debate because those two played against one another and squared off in finals matches. MJ is the GOAT and even hardcore fans of a hometown hero can recognize that.
I've said it before on other threads. But I'm going to say it again. I understand how many of the Greats did what they did. I was never able to do those things myself, but I understood the techniques. I have NO IDEA HOW MIKE DID WHAT HE DID!! MIKE IS THE GOAT!!!!!!!
I beg to differ. Mike was a killer. And all these people that were around to see it then have never seen anything like it before. We have to let that go and realize we have a guy named LeBron James. We were spoiled by Mike to think this guy has to play a certain way. In my eyes LeBron does more with the basketball and for a basketball team than Jordan.
Agreed, it's astounding how people may say that. So they're implying that players no longer able to contend and sit under the hoop, can no longer bully you down low, can no longer impeded or physically touch you up...is somehow "Harder" to score now? Lmao...okay.
@@JustFrame21 and there is so much spacing in the modern nba so imagine if jordan or any great interior finishers played today they'd be dropping 40 a game
@Larly bro Giannis MVP, DPOY. Jokic 2 time MVP , and Luka currently in mvp conversation have all 3 said that it is easier to score in the NBA than it is in the European League. That's 🤪 crazy bro. Jordan all day. LeBron is great. I give him more credit for the first half of his career. BUT PRIME JORDAN IS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME.
snap patruce yea let’s compare 2 completely different players, with different play styles, in different eras and rules, with no context. And try to determine who’s better 🤣
I respect both players and undoubtedly believe these are the top 2 talents of all time, but stats and comparisons aside, MJ was a pioneer of the game, he was a legend, he was nothing like anyone had seen and put the nba on the world map.. to me he sets the bar for greatness and really is the 1 and only GOAT
@@immafatazn see this is the problem with some of yall you cant appreciate anything a player does and come up with excuses just admit that it was cool and move on
2011 Finals. If the argument is actually as close as this video wants you to think it is (for views. spoiler: it's not even close), then the 2011 Finals when LBJ was the third leading scorer on his team and got roasted by Jason Terry, should tilt the argument in MJs favor.
Something irks me about the way he would talk about wanting to retire early and of his own accord. He even went to pursue a baseball career as we all know. I feel like what is indisputable is his extreme passion for winning, but I'm just not sure if his love for the game of basketball itself is to the same degree.
yeah lebron is just not quite there, a lot of little reasons is why mj is best but i would say 9 more scoring titles, 3 more rings, 3 more fmvps 1 more mvp, 1 more dpoy, more defensive all teams lebron only has assists on his side really
When an NBA legend says that he played against God disguised as micheal jordan, you know he's the best. Whenever you refer to someone who's the best in that field, you say that he's the micheal jordan of the field. Whenever there is a discussion on who is the GOAT, its always Jordan vs Kobe or Jordan vs Lebron. The common factor? Jordan. My point is: whenever you want to consider a player to be great, you compare him with jordan. he's the standard, plain and simple.
Wanna know why? Ya'll can't accept the fact that Lebron is back in the finals and just won his 4th ring,that's just how much you hate him. If heat won ya'll would hate him,then heat lost then ya'll hate him more. Can't stop laughing on these dumbass hater lmao,Lebron lives rent free on ya heads😴
Really miss the 90’s... now only throw 3s and no defense...nowadays just like watching shoot 3 contest... is good for the dudes to make those 10 mins highlights ... no reason to watch for the whole match
I don´t know who is the GOAT but I know the guy that wouldn´t back down from any challenges and would never take the easy way. Thanks for your video and your work in general Coach Nick!
@@zroxmolejon6278 when did lebron lose in the first round? Now do you idiots get why he left it out? They both fucking choked it every once in a while so fucking what
Allen Castro He didn’t melt down. He played far-superior teams and lost. ‘86 Celtics, anybody? Look at his playoff average his first three years when he was 1-9. Even Game 3 of the ‘86 playoffs when he only scored 22, he had two jaw-dropping plays to start the game, then spent the rest of the game trying to pass the ball. Yeah, you could mention Game 4 in ‘89 or Game 1 in ‘95, but in ‘89 he more than made up for it in Game 5, and in 1995 he was coming back from baseball, and more than made up for it in ‘96. Lebron? Don’t think so.
Hey MJ did not play in 1994 and retired. retired in 1999. It is worse than not playing a regular season game and it's his fault. All the regrets you've seen in the documentary, crying for a 7th ring after 20 years lol. Lebron's career is not over yet, wait til he beats all time scoring... something Jordan couldn't do. If LBJ wins this year 28 percent will become 40 percent lolol. Inching closer thats why Jordan made a documentary for people who don't know him lol. ESPN gave no.2 to LBJ which I oppose. I think Kareem is no.2 and not LBJ yet. Media wants this conversation for present and future and it's very obvious.
Part of the GOAT discussion isn’t about stats but about respect... true BBall heads don’t even have LBJ at 2 let alone 1. It’s a non-debate. MJ still goat
I’m 16 years old and every since I was little I’ve watch basketball. I’ve seen the dominance and breakthrough of LeBron but I do not think he should be in the goat subject yet. His career isn’t over, he can achieve much more. Also why is Kobe so overshadowed and just an afterthought? I my opinion the debate should be between Kobe and LeBron. The played in the same era, have multiple championships(Kobe 5). He was also chasing the ghost of Chicago and almost caught him but his body gave up. I believe MJ is in his own territory because NO ONE WILL EVERY REACH THE PEAK HE HAS, 3 peat, 2 times that’s dominance can’t be matched. This doesn’t mean you can’t debate it but he’s in his own special place and will always be known as the GOAT. But LeBron and Kobe make more sense to me.
Jordan let the game come to him. He could play with the ball or off-ball to blend seamlessly with the system. The triangle offense system keeps everyone touching the ball so the players can stay in rhythm. Lebron forces his system onto his teammates. Lebron dominates the ball while his teammates stand still around the perimeter. The lack of ball movement and player movement is the reason why players lose rhythm while playing with Lebron.
This is very true. LeBron is my favorite player but I've never liked watching those games down the stretch in his second stint in Cleveland where the offense would simply consist of LeBron dominating the ball while his team mates would just wait for him to try to score or wait until he threw it to them only when they got wide open which would took over half the shot clock to have manifest. Unless they're a perimeter all star very solid players will lose confidence playing that way as we seen in 2018.
James has to get 7 rings with one 3 peat (to make up for his losses) THEN we can consider whether to form a committee to deliberate whether he can be even compared to Jordan.
MJ 13 yrs Bulls 6 rings, Kobe 20 yrs Lakers 5 rings, Lebron 17 yrs Cavs-Heat-Cavs-Lakers 3 rings / Jordan never left his team to try to win championships with help from other stars.
Yeah but after Kobe got that last ring the werent able to bring in anymore talent. NBA blocked the acquisition of Paul cause the team was going to be sold. Lakers didnt bother after that. D'Antoni killed Gasol's knees and Kobe's ankles after he took over.
After watching the last dance documentary, I realized something. I used to think Lebron only had an angle to be talked about in the conversation of being the GOAT, because he had more assists, rebounds and controlled more of team play, while Jordan was more of a pure scoring weapon. Lebron could get to the finals even with bums on his team, while Jordan when he retired, his team was still winning 55 games a year. Sounds good for Lebron doesn't it? Then we look into the behind the scenes. MJ wasn't just a team mate. He was a coach, a motivator, and a monster that would devour his team mates if they didn't bring their game and drive to practice. So much that when they are playing in the playoffs, the opponents don't seem that scary at all. MJ's team mates were good, BECAUSE of MJ. Even after he left, the team mates were still good. Lebron never had that kind of effect on his team. So if you ask me, for a single game who would I pick? I might lean a bit more to Lebron. But for a season, for a franchise, MJ all the way.
Exactly. Ive been saying this for the longest time. People keep pointing out that teams become trash when Lebron leaves. And Jordan's Bulls still won 55 when he left. Truth be told, is that not supposed to be a point for Jordan for bringing out the best in people even when he was not around? I mean, who's the better teacher? Someone whose students succeed when he's not around, or someone whose students become bums when he's not around?
I do like your reasoning but I’ll have to add the season that Jordan didn’t play the bulls made it to the playoff and actually did some damage. Each team lebron has left (especially the cavs) has become an abysmal mess. Lebron took some of the weakest teams we’ve ever seen to the finals.
you can easily say MJ's conversation ended when he got bounced in the first round of the playoffs. No one is perfect and at the end of the day it is a team sport. MJ nor Lebron did it by themselves.
What is often overlooked on "The Shot" vs. the Cavs, was that Jordan was double by Ehlo and Larry Nance before he got the ball. Jordan just ran away from the double team like he often did. Lebron fans think he was single covered but he was actually doubled and tripled nearly every game. See the RU-vid videos "Jordan vs. Knicks defense," "Jordan vs. Pistons defense," or "Jordan vs. hard double teams."
@@dadillonful I’m sorry but I CANNOT consider Lebron the Goat. I CANNOT, you do not understand. I’ve tried to convince myself for years but I CANNOT. Sorry man, Lebron is 1-9-1 in the finals and isn’t clutch. I’m sorry but I CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT say Lebron is the goat
Here's some facts about why MJ is the GOAT Michael Jordan has: •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more offensive help, example: Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring * In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons Lebron after his 16th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago” •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games. Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games. Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018) •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. •Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy. Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. MIchael Jordan: •NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg •Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY •Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series: 41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals •Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88) •Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES. •Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season * He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98) •One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87) * Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this. •MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice! •In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career… Remind me again...who is the GOAT?.
Ha! Lebron is the greatest talent we've ever seen! He's bigger, stronger, faster, jumps higher than his competiton - he's the single greatest scoring/passing combination in the history of the NBA. Nobody comes close. 3 time NBA champion. 8 straight finals appearances. Dominate in every facet of the game on a level we may never see again. Forget basketball! Lebron James is one of the greatest athletes who has ever walked the planet earth regardless of sport - there may never be another like him. When its all said and done, when Lebron James finally hangs up his sneakers for the last time - a statue in front of the united center will still say "The best there ever was. The best there ever will be".. And it will be as true as its ever been - and always will be.
Same thing I always say to this argument... You have one game to win for 10 million dollars ....whos your first pick ? The answer is who the Goat is ...MJ every time!
@@carletpierre1895 vertical is not based on height thst is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Look up spudd webb. You may be right on Zion but it's not his height
Considering that Jordan's vertical (48 inches) was higher than Lebron's (44 inches), I am very confused why this video seems to suggest otherwise (MJ defied gravity vs Lebron ignored it)...
Lebron is much bigger and heavier than MJ so considering that it makes Lebron's vert more impressive for a person of his size to achieve that but nonetheless in the end you could still debate that MJ jumped higher no matter. Just something to think about.
@VICKtorious9 I think the bigger issue is Lebrons team as in he is the leader of those teams have lost 6 times. How many times you allowed to lose and still be considered the greatest lol. Least back up your argument instead of claiming people are dick riders
@@favianhernandez9428 man the coach is just trying to get views. Mj has a 6 0 winning pace in the finals, and NEVER disappointed anyone. LeBron did. The coach is thinking as a coach: who would I choose between them? Ofc he'll rather choose LeBron, 'cause MJ was a nightmare to coach, and only Phil Jackson was able to. LeBron on the other hand coaches himself, but that does make him the best player? Maybe? But does that allows him to get the best achievements? No. MJ had, so, I think MJ is still the best. LeBron could be easier to coach and taking you to the finals (yet, in the east with superteam), but if you want to win, you have to go with MJ. And don't let me start with the problems LeBron had with big men in his career. MJ never had those, were other people to have problems with him. Any time
I'm a LeBron fan and will agree with you and say MJ is the goat the greatest of all time but LeBron is the second greatest of all time. LeBron's argument is that they always got him chasing Jordan when y'all should just be happy that he's second facts
