Primeape-Line Solo Challenge - Pokemon FireRed 

I think a solo Yellow challenge with a backported Annihilape would be fun!

The whole 'Primeape learns Rest' thing reminds me of my first playthrough of Ruby, when I got REALLY confused why my Slaking could never finish using Solarbeam. I think that I believed Truant was random. Oh, and Shedinja can learn Sandstorm.

i love this bit in the firered videos where scott _always_ trash talks koga's team and immediately proceeds to have trouble with it

I think the Venusaur team would have actually been a harder team for Primeape to take on. Two pokemon with intimidate, and Venusaur doesn't have a four times weakness.

With these Fire Red play throughs, I’m starting to wonder if you’re keeping Dig for too long on instinct from all your Gen 1 runs. Granted, we’re only seeing major battles, so maybe it’s more useful when training and/or traveling , but I really don’t see you using it much, since all the Pokemon you would use it on all seem to have levitate or Earthquake/Magnitude

Love the videos. About Raticate it wasn't held back by its stats, you just didn't use its ability

Looking forward to the brick break, bulk up, substitute, and rock slide moveset playthrough. I personally prefer the neutral natures for comparison challenges like this, but seeing Primeape get those near KOs with an adamant nature alone will feel a lot better

One of these days Scott is going to say "and of course Koga has the Bug/Poison type Venomoth so that'll be a big problem" and I will completely believe it's just another iteration of the joke

Watching you learn and improve in real time is neat. I would like to see second playthroughs sometime. Especially for something as big as skipping bulk-up

You've probably figured this out by now since I know these were very old playthroughs, but replacing Squirtle with your starter instead of Bulbasaur would probably make these runs a lot harder for physical mons. Needing to deal with both Arcanine and Gyarados's Intimidates is easily more threatening than whatever Exeggutor is supposed to get done.

I really like the retrospective nature of these playthroughs. Great work as always, Scott!

defiant really helped primeape more than I ever realized huh also I keep questioning why dig is used so often in these fire red playthroughs when everything that keeps it would do better with anything else (like bulk up for example) hey the bulk up was acknowledged! nice

I think the ai can see your ability, which is why the champion's Exeggutor didn't go for sleep powder.

One of my favorites. Never used this mon until a recent playthrough of LG. Loved it, and you get it so early on- now I'm building a gba with a primape shell. Can't wait to get the parts.

32:31 Umm Scott, it's because you have Vital Spirit as your ability... Sleep Powder ain't doing shit. Missing Bulk Up makes me very sad, I think you could have done this run quite a bit faster with it. I love Primeape, I was so pleased to see it get such a cool evolution in Gen 9. Zomg, please do a Yellow Annihalape back port with Drain Punch and Shadow Punch/Shadow Ball! Rage Punch probably wouldn't be possible to code in Gen I. Also I think you forgot about held items for a lot of the run. Primeape can learn Thief, so you can get yourself a Black Belt by fighting the fighting double battle on Route 15 and stealing it from either of the HitMons, which would have allowed you to get better ranges on Brick Break particularly for Pidgeot in Rival 5.

Hmm I'm not sure I want to come to any decisions regarding Primeape yet. Bulk Up and Substitute is such a powerful combination together. I'm pretty sure had you known you could have done Koga basically instantly as that fight would have been totally free. There's not just a lot of unfamiliarity with the games to shake off (I can't exactly help, I don't really like FRLG), but also I feel like FRLG are going to require a different set of strategies for various fights that we haven't seen in runs yet. Your videos are still super fun though, thanks for making them~

I’m glad you mentioned Bulk Up because I definitely spent the first 20 minutes wondering when you were going to get it.

Hey Scott, I've got an idea for how you can diversify your solo runs. You mention multiple times here (and in previous videos) how you prefer accurate moves (as do i). What do you think about doing second runs with pokemon using more risky, less accurate moves? Like putting cross chop, etc on the moveset and seeing if the risks vs rewards make any difference.

"Giovanni has an Onix and Bruno has two Onix, but they're Onix, so yeah." You're asking to catch a Rock Throw to the groin with that one.

I dont know if this is the plan, but i like the idea that all of the remakes are used to test full evolution lines.

Excited to see the mankey line. Primape and nidoking carried my first run through pokemon yellow when I was 7 and didn't realize how bad it is. Low kick helped me through brock so I kept it

Thinking about backports, I would love to see you run through the game with Annihilape at some point. Either firered or yellow :)

If there's one thing I've learned from this series, it's that Dig is really bad after Generation I! It can't be used on Agatha, Koga, or Giovanni, and it's 60 power is basically outclassed by Return and other moves, even when it's hitting a weakness. It feels like you learn this lesson by the end of every one of these Fire Red playthroughs, but then I see you using it again in the next one! Maybe one day you'll pass it by.

I'm enjoying your fire red series somuch! Primeape is one of my all time favs! And Nidoking is another, so I can't wait to see your next vid!

You're really spoiling us with all these videos! Thanks Scott!

If you use Secret power on a Pokémon that has static or Poison Point, it won't activate. Plus have you ever thought of automatically setting your starter with a beneficial nature?

I think that second runs are always better, so don't be sad. Practice makes somebody perfect.

Talk about perfect timing, I was fighting immortals as terran in SC2 while listening/watching!

It’d be interesting to know what the optimum amount of base speed to have is to out-speed the most important opponents in each generation/game

In the same only Nuzlocke that cost me the chance to try out the Rattata line, I also lost the chance to try out Primeape line (he was just 3 levels from evolving). So this will be nice to see a Pokémon I've been curious about demonstrated. 0:32 - The frail nature of Mankey is oddly nice though in terms of making it very distinctive amongst the Kanto Fighting types, who seem to have more spread out stats (usually with only one failing stat). Also, fitting the nickname is Angry. 2:01 - So Low Kick did have some uniqueness to it before, though obviously the weight damage factor was significantly more unique, so a welcome change. 3:12 - Bug Catcher Doug doing his part to demonstrate the awesomeness of Bug Pokémon. A shame about Angry the Mankey here though. Even if Low Kick was like it was before though, the dual resistance of Bug and Poison would still make Scratch Mankey's best option here. 6:10 - Fascinating, rather cool that they specifically did that with the Move Tutors. It also helps give a further differing element to these games, despite remakes. 9:37 - Quite a few, "I'll deal with you later" moments popping up at this section of the game. It seems a spot of poor luck was simply in your way with both encounters, so I feel a second or third go at Misty and your rival respectively would have garnered you your needed results (or not relying on Mega Kick, as you might as well use Secret Power and hope for paralysis at that point). 11:25 - Turns out, the answer was Brick Break. Also, loving Primeape's backsprite here. 15:08 - The un-Resting Primeape preceded the un-Attractive Cryogonal. 16:26 - It is nice to see the Dig TM didn't go to waste. It may not have been needed against Surge but it was handy against Koga. 21:03 - I've long felt Pokémon had a thing against Physical Attackers. A lot of the Physical types went a long time without high damage dealing moves (or were awkward to obtain) whereas the good Special Attacks were often available as TMs. Furthermore, even to this day, there aren't many moves that specifically lower Special Attack. 23:25 - I did feel it was strange that you were using Rock Slide so often but never getting a flinch off of it. Happy to see you deliver one at the perfect time here. 26:26 - I would have just assumed that Primeape could be taught Bulk Up. It seems a natural fit for the Pokémon. There "where" however I wouldn't know unless I looked it up. Planning out good move-set choices ahead of time and thus looking where to obtain them would be ideal. 29:18 - Even funnier is that both those moves would become Special one gen later. Agatha was unfortunately forward thinking. 30:55 - I can see where having Thunderbolt might be handy but... abandoning your one STAB move for it? An interesting play. 33:26 - No Bulk Up and Primeape still ranks pretty decently. That's great to see.

14:52 in regards to Primeape being able to learn Rest... well, in this case, it's also a matter of Rest Primeape being grandfathered in from previous Generations were abilities were not yet a thing, but the Mankey line can fittingly have Anger Point as its ability starting from Gen 4, which doesn't conflict with Rest... it's overall a matter of "giving a Pokémon fitting moves regardless of abilities or other factors that might conflict with them, akin to even weirder cases, like Rest or Sandstorm Shedinja or Attract Cryogonal. I do agree that Rest doesn't particularly fit this line and I probably would not have given it to them in the first place, but, at this point..

You know i wonder if they didn't add a special type intimidate because you get thr atk boost badge before sp.atk, doesn't make sense now with so much things counter to attackers but not special attackers but kinda make sense for at least gen 3

I just used a mankey/primeape to blow through yellow so I could get tms for some pokemon on pokemon Gold, and it was super great. I didn't beat the game or anything, but it was a force to be reckoned with. I think this could do a pretty solid job.

I grew up on Blue, so I’m always surprised how well Mankey does on a team when I use. I’m excited to see how it does.

The mention of Intimidate and physical attackers getting punished made me think. We haven't had a special type version of Intimidate? Unless Gen 9 has something and I missed it.

Mankey and Primeape are in my top 5 favorite ideas for pokémon. The execution just...isn't the best. I still love them, but they're SOOOOO frail. But they are unusual for a gen 1 fighting type. Primeape is *fast* and Mankey has a direct answer for Brock. I haven't watched yet, but I'll edit as I go with my thoughts. Edit: Yep, that went about as well as I thought without bulk up. Pretty well, but kinda inconsistent due to how weak it is defensively. I think you're right though, having Primeape set up as a mixed sweeper cuts out a lot of setup time. The times are probably similar, but we never know how much training you could have cut out with bulk-up in your set since there are no optimized runs, of course.

This is actually the first game I used Primeape in, and I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.

You also could have given Primeape Thief temporarily in Giovanni's gym and steal the Black Belt from a Machoke belonging to any of the Blackbelts in the gym.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but on the first Lorelei fight when Cloyster used dive, couldn't you have used dig so when Cloister missed you would have hit potentially taking Cloister out?

Scott you need to start using your 100% accurate moves when Pokémon are at red health. You always use the same inaccurate moves and they always risk giving you a completely avoidable reset. 23:25 being an example (even though you didn’t rest)

I just did a Venu run in Fire Red and oh boy I missed the Bodyslam on the SS Ann. I had tackle on my Venusaur all the way to Erica where I replaced it with Secret Power.

I do wonder if keeping Karate Chop or Focus Energy would be a good alternative for intimidate pokemon

Dumb question. I know you always take the starter that gives you the most trouble during the playthrough. Wouldn't Blastoise or Venusaur be more difficult than Charizard bescause of a second intimidate of Arcanine ? (anyways, both the charizard and the intimidate problem would be solved by Bulk Up to +6 in atk and def...)

I wonder if you can do HP azu before getting all badges without some weird hax. Guess I'ma consult the googles.

Primape, my favorite pokemon episode

Seeing Primeape use Thunderbolt on Gyarados is so satisfying. Why does this game have so many Intimidate users? Fighting types got so much hate in Kanto and Johto.

21:23 - nice in-game time, saving in front of Sabrina B-)

Raichu in gen 4 can get nasty plot as a pichu and learns the tm for grass knot for excellent coverage and can beat 4 of the 5 ground elite 4 members pokemon.

I feel like if Primape had Defiant as its ability it would do so much better in this game.

I think Mankey and Primeape learning Rest is a legacy thing. They could in RBY, where abilities weren't a thing and it probably just got brought forward without thinking about the ability.

I call my Mankey Furious G.

I forget if I heard it on this channel but there's a theory that the pokeballs brainwash the pokemon. Can you blame the trainer?!?!? If you walked around with a wild animal you were caging up that could hurl thunderbolts at you like Zeus I would want to brainwash them too!

I'm not sure if it's in gen 3. But in some generations you can tell a pokemon is heavy when it enters battle it lands with a noticeably harder. That could be like a gen 5 thing though

It’s interesting to hear Scott talk about physical attackers getting their badge boost so early but in all honesty physical attacks get so badly punished in the early gens. Between special being combined in gen 1 and then in gen 2 things like the punches still being a freakin special movie and then finally in gen 3 the absolute silliness of intimidate. Like why does this only hit the physical attack stat. Like it says your opponent is intimidated and it lowers atttack so once again special attacks have nothing to fear and it’s not like anything has changed in what like 6 or 7 generations now. Just stupid imagine there is a super widely available availing that lowered enemy special attack and it stacks like it’s not like intimidate goes away on switch out like why does the Gyrados getting swapped out mean I am still intimidated by like the Eggexcute that comes out next or something.

How does primeape use iron tail.....🤔

why reset after losing to the bug catcher? you were lvl 10

Don't you guys found it odd that Mega Kick and Mega Punch is Normal instead of Fighting? Even as a child that botters me

The crazy thing about dumbing these gasmen , was that the teens were mostly playing

I’ve always loved primape but hated using it. Would love to shred through old games with annihilape though.

Primeape would be top tier if rest still worked but it woke up immediately. I struggle to think of many pokemon that could beat that.

How does Primeape even dig with its boxing glove hands?

My favorite part of this run was when Scott said "It's primin' time" then his primeape went monke everywhere.

I've always said instead of vital spirit as an ability Primeape should have been given guts

First, and thanks for another great video.

Most of my favorite Pokémon are these early game Pokémon.

Re: rest, nobody uses that move in playthroughs, which is what younger kids playing pokemon mostly do. Only good moves are ones that do damage in playthroughs since you have options for tanking and type coverage.

One or my OG favs!!!

Also Mankey and Ratata have 2nd evolution.

Let’s see what this angry boi can do

Dragonites name should now be wingaling dragon

Venasaur rival wouldve been more difficult because of arcanine's intimidate

Can you do a Annihilape back port run

In my opinion special attackers are sadly always better then physical attackers. They get punished so much. For everything. There are abilitys like intimidate, Poison point, Static, burn, rough skin, etc. And special attackers have... well there is Chansey... It does not get much better in future generations. There is assoult vest in Gen 6, but it is Post game. Instead we nerf phisical attackers more with more abilitys and prominant items. I am really looking forward to your Tier lists.

Since you always go for the starter thats hardest for you to fight why didn’t you give the rival venusaur? That would be much harder then Charizard

I dunno you keep saying that Yellow Koga is better, when its clearly not lol. RGB Koga > Yellow Koga. His 3 Venonats are laughably bad

Imagine if it had Defiant

9:00 Then Mega Kick you must ditch. Not really consistent, it is.

Sitting 🪑 here like where bulk up. Custom UI Moveset list No bulk up Scott come on

are you allowed hidden abilities when you do these runs? cause i think defiant might have been stronger for primape.

try clefable, thats my favorite pokemon to play through the game

"Regional rodent Raticate" Try saying that 10 times fast!

Those are it's wings.

Kids were NOT teaching rest to any pokemon, as it meant you couldn't fight for 2 turns

primeape isn't in it's prime in this game as it can't evolve yet

Where is aerial ace 😂

I'm out of context 😂 i cant understand why so many jokes about venomoth

Just a note, according to Bulbapedia, Low Kick's power isn't uncapped. It increments by 20 base power between certain ranges, capping at 120 base power at 200 kg or more. So Onix wasn't tanking a 360 base power move ;)

Not A fan of the single run. Primape deserved A 2nd run as was common place. But especially for A fatal miscalculation with bulk-up

WHAT.. you haven't memorized the weight of all the pokemon.. in both metric and freedom units? How could you let us down like this Scott

Don't worry about substitute its usually banned in other peoples runs.

Onix has base 45 Atk, not 35 (still pathetic, though, Bellsprout has 75 lmaoooooooooo)

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12:00: It's funny that Primeape can learn rock slide but Aerodactyl can't. Hahahahahahaha

How dare you bad mouth Dynamic Miss

You should start catching a bunch of meowth after misty. They have a 5% chance with pick up at any level to get rare candies and the hidden power TM.

I never fully understood how pokemon yellow got the most amazing graphics showing how pokemon was with their trainers and rival but for the main character it was all horrible but then gen 2 came along how come game freak didn't have the technology to give gen 1 good graphics 😮can someone explain it to me please.

sometimes, how you play infuriates me. low kick has always destroyed brock, no need for that extra level, and just mega kick the pigeotto on the boat. would be an ohko. that said i do watch every video oh and anger point might have been a better ability

I love Firered