didn't Zven say in an interview also that Berserker and Summit were the most resistant to the changes LS tried to implement? seems like meta myopia is a big issue for imports
@dsjsi Yeah, if you are Korean, and you see NA get embarassed at Worlds every year by Asian teams... it makes sense that you would want to copy the Asians cause they're producing much better results... The thing is, when you find something that works and stomps through NA... That doesn't mean anything... We've seen countless times how teams like C9 cake-walked through NA and then looked completely lost against Asian drafts... So if you want to produce any meaningful results internationally, you'll either have to learn and play the Korean/Chinese drafts, or you'll have to find some draft strategy/picks that counters the Asian teams drafts... And i can tell you the 2nd option is a lot harder to do than the first.
@@sergioradicy8550 no team experiments as much as T1, every game that's not against GenG or the other top 2-3 teams, they're trying all kinds of random shit. Limit testing to the max.
can you tell me how its easier to draft like Korean/Chinese and win against them. do you belive the west has players with same lvl mechanics or better is it not better to catch them off guard in draft like g2 did in 2019 with lot of flex picks?@@zennihilator3724
@@zennihilator3724 I'd say a huge issue is how people play scrims as apposed to on stage as well. Teams will take way more risks in scrims and the comp seems extremely valid, but then stage game comes, and they're being far more passive, with a comp that demands being extremely proactive otherwise it falls apart. and it doesn't change the fact that players should still be willing to SEE if something works and try it out, rather than going the route of "Korea isn't doing it so no".
Interesting, during the Pros podcast, Tactical actually said they could just pull out Xayah Rakan whenever and just win cause nobody would ban it out on stage.
The fact that LCS is on live patch now will hopefully help this some. It would be complete troll to not at least give the high solo Q winrate (and pro play viable) stuff a shot.
Sadly it's having the opposite effect. Week 1 of the live patch, teams just devolve into comfort and pick whatever they've been playing for the past year (you'll see a lot of champs from worlds or summer), then week 2 after Korea and China have played on the patch, na will copy their homework
That's why he always fails at the last hurdle. Idiotic follower mindset. Like, you WANT to always be a step behind the forerunners? You'll be second best at best. Almost every year in recent history at worlds the winners had people willing to break the meta and innovate.
@@francisignatiusborrero5986 but ur NOT korean. you dont have the same buff buddy. you dont beat number 1 by copying number 1, you beat them by becoming better. when did LPL finally take the throne from korea? WHEN THEY MADE THEIR OWN STYLE.
@@francisignatiusborrero5986 yet every year NA tries to play like KR and lose because they cant play it properly. they need to find their own style just like EU and LPL.
Prince was ridiculously good in LCK. That said, hes literally getting paid to be on the team. He can have his opinion but he should ultimately do what the team tells him to do.
@@johnbrick7030 You know thats not true lol. The dude is in the LPL and still doing very good. the team is doing great and he legit got a penta. Try not to hate so much. Not his fault NA meta is so dogshit
Tactical just said two days ago that if he doesn't like any of his options he always can rely on Xayah/Rakan for a free win. Which begs the question why he doesn't play it all the time and why no one else does?
1. He's just coping. or 2.Because relying on a "free win" is not a good way to improve as a player or a team. eSports, especially League of Legends, is actually very weird in a traditional sports standpoint, because the functionality of a champion (or the game itself) changes drastically within one patch. If they rely on Xayah/Rakan, which is apparently a freebie, if a new patch hits and it's not usable anymore, they now have to look for other things from scratch. So they basically wasted 2~4 weeks. It's definitely the #1. #2 is only viable if the team is good enough to run through the tournament, but has to prepare for the higher level tournament such as the Worlds. Tactical and his sorry-ass is tied for 5th place in LCS - a tier 4 league that does not deserve 3 seeds at Worlds.
Instead of copying their playstyle why dont try copying their work ethic for once? Eastern player could pull such strategy because they have 3 times more practices than western teams
@@ajarofdirt3830 You say that as you try to blame the firing on C9 purely because LS was trying something new and they didn't like it? Pot calling the kettle black going hard.
Why copy Korean Champs and Playstyle? They are 10x better so you won´t win anyway against them playing their style. Only chance is to develop your own meta and unique/niche picks to surprise them and maybe have a chance to win.
Yeah, hasn't worked like that since...2020? Every time a western team tried niche picks on stage they got figured out in a single game and lost everything else.
This. You won't ever beat them at their own game, so you do have to "make" your own. It feels like worlds comes around and teams try to do just that, and end up failing because they're no longer playing to their strengths, but was is a perceived strength in the game itself.
That is some silly logic. The thing that shoukd be taken away from this, is do your own research. Blindly copying without undertsanding makes no sense.
Xayah Rakan doesn't have high presence because Xayah is a counter pick reliant champ. If you aren't playing against dive comps, you are less than useful due to how shit crit items and crit ADCs are. Into hard engage, sure shes great. She's good into Varus, but really weak into Senna, who became really popular recently. Also saying "The Koreans aren't playing it" Shows how little Spica and DL watch LCK, as most of Xayah's presence is in LCK. Korean stubbornness is a real thing, but the flipside is also true. Most LCS players are extremely resistant to change as well. DL expecially with DL consistantly playing AD or on hit Kaisa last season until he reached playoffs, even though there were no changes to Kasia or anything that would effect her in said time and players were already playing AP kaisa. I vividly rememeber him playing AD Kaisa when AP was strong and losing to immortals.
I mean yeah I wouldn’t fucking waste my time trying to innovate in North America. Just wait for the Asian teams with their 30 analysts and 100x better players to do it for you.
Not saying Korean are the definers of meta. Its more like anything they feel is busted or strong everyone else will think the same. Its not that the champ is the best Koreans think it is.
It’s not a bad starting ground though no? LCS has just been a running joke for like 5 years while LCK has been quite strong. Ironic to call it trolling when all LCS teams do is troll.
kinda troll though that they think xayah is even close to playable maybe you can sneak it against lcs teams but teams with good early game plan would make xayah unplayable
It's appeal to authority. Koreans in na look to t1 or gen g to find the best picks and copy them. Just like how players will only acknowledge something is good if their favorite streamer says it is, without finding out for themselves why that is
Imagine your team wants you to play Xayah and Prince goes "Why does no one in LCK play it then? Why doesn't Ruler play it?" Then *Ruler starts playing it* And you look like a clown refusing to play it just because Ruler doesn't play it when *HE DOES* 🤡
Remember when everyone was saying corki was shit, then faker randomly pulled it out, so Emenes played it the next day just because faker played it. Same thing with gragas mid. It's pathetic
What Meteos calling" Pretty troll" , about allowing other people to make judgement calls... In this case on racial grounds.... If you are asian high elo player then your words about this game is law... This is an attitude that has been in this game forever. Remember a game where someone claimed one of my items were bad cause his diamond friend said that item was bad. When I tried to argue FACTS and STATISTICS with him, he did not care cause his diamond friend said it was bad... so what if my Challenger friend tells you its good? .... He could not answer that one. His brain got overheated... Im lying ofc, he had no brain.
