Princess Bubblegum is a PSYCHOPATH!? 

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands.

She's not a tyrant she's a creator now she's with Marcy 2 immortals in an efr changing world. Also to the point bonabell was alone and created her people. She's not a phyco she's a creator

​@@JohnAbdielgonzalez-bl4xlReally can't justify her meddling on other people's lives. Especially those of which aren't even her people.

Honestly, honestly, genuinely.

Even season 1 was dropping hints she wasn't so innocent. I remember in Ricardio, she was coming out of a secret tunnel that was all grimy looking and looked like a dungeon. There was even a skeleton that was chained up.

Necromancy ftw

But like. At the end of the episode she actually succeeds. Yes there was a zombie outbreak for like a day. With one casualty in starchy, who would get revived anyway. But in the end she successfully creates a serum that reverses death. How is that anything other than good

⁠​⁠@@frimi8593how would you think Death would feel about it

@@dinoboiis8147 I guess that depends on if candy people go to the dead worlds after death. I mean, I can’t remember any candy people in the dead worlds but maybe I’m just forgetting. And seeing as they’re all constructs made by pb, they may not have souls that can reincarnate Edit: I was wrong, candy people can be seen in the dead worlds

​@@dinoboiis8147doesn't matter what they think about it😂 it won't affect them

Did she tho? She helped him every single time he needed something, even giving an endless source of food, and a way to make more citizens and when he became obsessed with that she removed the recipe that gives life to candy from his brain so he'd stop. Also on that same episode finn asked why not fix him, fix his personality and she said that there's nothing to fix, that's just how he is. That just confirms that she doesnt sees him like a failed experiment and accepts him how he is.,

@@fracttu True she did help him eventually, but only after he became a nuisance to her people. In the first episode he appeared in, she banished him back to a life of solitude without a second thought.

​​@@SwellStuff483 After how much worse he became,Lemongrab is lucky he didn't get the electric chair at some point! He wanted a castle to live on,PB gave him a castle. He wanted company,she gave him someone like him to live with. He ran out of food from creating too many people,she gave him more food and stopped his from repeating him mistake. He was told better way to act with the citizens,he just didn't care! If he can't be fixed,but also shouldn't be killed or caged,then HOW should have Bubblegum dealt with him?

@@maestrulgamer9695I feel she should’ve made a second lemongrab from the start. While both of them were identical, you can clearly see the difference in their actions. Lemongrab one was entitled and seemed to only care for themselves, while lemongrab two while still strange seemed to be far kinder and forgiving. This shows that based on their upbringing, even 2 identical people can turn out very differently. Her neglect of him led him down his path.

​@@maestrulgamer9695she the main reason why his behaviour is bad like that and even tho she can fix him so easily like she did in certain episode with his white version by opening his head and earsing some point from his brain with only pen but she doesn't

Literally jimmy neutron

Is she tho? Like with Godiad and Rattleballs she causes the problem, fully granted. But the fire kingdom? aliens? She didn’t create either of those perceived threats. Also worth noting is the numerous things she protects the kingdom from which aren’t mentioned in these discussions because they are viewed as strictly positive actions. In fact I’m pretty confident that if you were to tally up all the episodes in which pb has any active influence over the plot (not passive, like being kidnapped or possessed or anything where she has no agency in it) that the number of times she plays a protagonist role outweighs the times she plays an antagonistic role

@@frimi8593 fire kingdom is a unknown variable in the sense maybe they would be a threat maybe they wouldn’t, but I guarantee trapping the princess and stealing from them would push it a lot more into the direction of being a threat then not lol

@@didybopintitys I mean fair, but also fp’s family members are much bigger threats than she is sooooo

She's basically a typical cumminist.

This is the real reason. She isn't that bad of a person.

@@nunyabusiness3786 So just because you do things -not out of malice -but out of ignorance and self-rightousness they are justified? The pathway to hell isn't made out of malice or egoism, it's made of stupid good intentions

like an American white girl

Lol yeah@@pastorche1722

​@@pastorche1722or just american?

Now that I think about it....Denji does have similarities to Finn. A blonde teen with no parents and has a dog with supernatural abilities. I never noticed that.

At least, Fujimoto treat Makima as Villian with no redemption arc.

@@user-sf1sg4fu9e Main problem with Adventure Time is the show rarely condemn PB actions, even more so the fans especially after Bubbline became canon. If she didn't go that far, did but was called out as a villain or get the same karmatic treatment as the rest of the characters, then we wouldn't have this much issues.

@@Saltedroastedcaramel Your right. For example, Betty did many bad things in entire series. But at least she did recognize that and made right thing at the end.

I don't think the author ever mention's Princess Bubblegum though. If anything Makima is probably closer to Peppermint Butler or Hudson given she wears a suit.

Her citizens are absolutely mentally incapable of protecting themselves.

​@@Adam-326i mean, she creates them, so yeah, still her fault

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands. Flame Princess did call her out in The Cooler.

@aertnadle2466 Exactly, people are so caught up in hating her and her horrible actions that they don't realize that she realized the error of her ways and became redeemed

@@LucaMations Not really I don't know about being redeemed her actions were so bad that she will be forever classified as a horrible person. Besides people hate characters that did actions far less worse then her,for example the Pale King

Ah, good ol' Caterpie

The lizard…

Deep cut

“This is for Pablo”

Starter Squad ftw

Flame King didn't attack or talk about conquering a Kingdom unlike Flame Princess and her brother though. Which is fair really. Most weren't horrible though. After Peps took over yeah.

@@jaydenc367 Flame Princess wasn't talking about Conquering the kingdom That was all her brother and she was clearly not accepting of it

@@quinnholloway5400 Still...he has power, also again Goblin Kingdom.

But that's all forgiven since she's a Les Bien

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands. Like Bubblegum didn't remain bad forever, she does go through character development.

​@@JohnDoe-ds8umthank you for such an elaborate response

Are you (and a lot of people) forgetting that Marceline was going to let the entire Glass Kingdom shatter and melt? While PB was harsh, it was pretty messed up for her to tell PB that they should just leave and let them die.

They were both fucked up in different ways, but they are the only consistency in each other's immortal life, it's no surprise that their fates are always entangled. And if you see some other versions of these two in different universes, you can tell it’s not always healthy, but that’s how it is.

"shame people's religious beliefs" What an oddly specific example that has literally never appeared in media like this...

@@littlemoth4956 No doubt I've seen Brian Griffin do it loads of times

her best friend is a unicorn, a unicorn with magic powers and had the lich trapped in her kingdom. like how can she not believe in magic when she has a magical creature for a friend, a cosmic being in pretty much her attic, not to metion the count examples that exist.

shaming people's religious beliefs is based tho Believing in fantasy stories is stupid in 21st century and with internet available, and supporting religion which is oppressive is bad, so religious freaks should be shamed

@@eriklazo5499 My points exactly

no they dont?? Others have called her a bad person so many times and everytime her and lsp interact lsp usually says that 💀

i dont know where your getting this bogus from mf takes u pills deadass

​@@reesespuffs7142 she's not called out that much. Also, she never actually got to face any consequences for the bad actions herself

@@enterurnamehere27 realistically, what consequences would she face?

@@reesespuffs7142 for commiting something like a literal genocide? Idk maybe life imprisonment AT LEAST

That’s what I’ve been saying to the ppl who thinks she wasn’t atleast a bit of a psychopath. Goliath literally has her dna and PB herself admitted it 😂

wouldn't it have been wild if Goliad and Stormo was a foreshadowing of Finn fighting her

@@acefalcongaming9711 That would have been awesome!

I don't think that is great proof because the show explained why she acted like that in the episode. Goliad became the way she did because she saw Jake interact with the kids at the school. She literally repeated Jake's words back to him as justification for what she was doing.

@@the-unknown-1 yeah but it’s her DNA that made her that because PB only chance of equaling Goliath was Finn DNA AKA Son soooo it still proves my point lol

Sure is

haha so true

Oh wait now i wanna read this. Thats a super chilling yet fascinating tale

Gahdayum

What's the comic's name please?

@@queen_splash1107 I bet it's something like baby vending machine

I’ve tried googling everything under the sun to find this comic but I can’t. 😭 Please tell us the name

so i guess seasons 7 to 10 just don’t exist then

Tell me you didn't watch the show without telling me you didn't watch the show

Interesting

The sad thing is thats how most writers write "smart people" when smart people don't act like PB does, which concerns what their definition of smart is.

Ok so she created clones and did surgery what's your point exactly? Technically a clone of Finn that became evil and a threat so that was justified really. Yes....because she believes its science not magic. She isn't being a hypocrite at all though like seriously how is she? That isn't part of her character. What she is isn't all messed up. She never was that to begin with.

She never tried to "fix" lemongrab or his clone. All she did was remove the recipe that gave life to candy cuz they became obsessed with it and were starving due to it. In the episode itself finn ask her why doesnt she fix lemongrab and she says that there's nothing to fix, that's just how he is. At that point fern had betrayed and tried to kill finn, plus that was all in the dream realm. Yes she used magic because she thinks is science, they're one in the same. And she wasnt fully wrong either, after betty was introduced we were shown how science and magic go hand in hand

@@jaydenc367 she was an hypocrite in the episode of tree trunks wedding with mister pig, she was trying to find a way to stop the wedding and pull some legal excuse to stop them but the candy man (dont remember his name) prove her wrong and that he was legally able to conduct the weeding and PB went "Nope!, you wrong and shut up" and when everyone called her and oppose her bad behaviour what did she do next, she looked them in her dungeon including her friends you can like PB and she did the right thing in the end, but PB absolutely was a massive hypocrite

Yeah, on first watch I read a lot of it as just dark humour. Although it definitely took things more seriously later on.

​@@kangaroomonkey4180The show was like that. It never really had an overarching story in the beginning. So never did I ever expect those moments to be that important later on.

@@Martin-yh7vi I love how it would take jokes, throwaway lines, or even one particular animation error and turn them into full episodes and characters.

To be fair, the characters that were affected negatively by her actions, usually got a pretty strong dislike of her. It’s just our main cast are the ones who didn’t get hurt directly, or someone like Marceline, who is just too old to care, much like PB herself. I don’t think the show is downplaying her dark side, it’s just we are seeing more of her softer side from the perspective of Finn.

@@Huhu0137 I'm not talking about us seeing her good side more often, although that is true, my point mostly stems from the fact that in the odd times where her bad actions ARE explicitly shown to the rest of the main cast they generally don't really care, and when they do it's way less than they probably should. I mean the biggest negative reaction I can remember is from Flame Princess which was still severely lesser than it probably should since the war crime in question was a direct threat to her entire people. I do know there are characters that do dislike her for it, but I was mostly referring to the main cast when writing this And how their opinion of her generally doesn't change when they find out she commits a war crime every 2 days. Not that the entire show just collectively never acknowledged how messed up she was ever I really should have made that distinction very clear but the whole idea of this comment was made in a tired haze so I guess I forgot I'm also not saying that they are "downplaying" her bad side, they play it completely straight, her evil deeds are very much on screen at the front and center. It's exactly the fact that the viewer is so aware of how bad she is that makes the character's lack of reaction so good, which I want to believe was intentional.

I would have loved to see that she was actually the villain and Gumbald was actually a misunderstood leader. That would have been a surprising twist (not really since we know PB did horrible things since the beginning of the show)

@@deltamachine343 honestly think the only reason she didn’t get a full villain arc was to preserve her and Marceline’s relationship. The way the story went was great, don’t get me wrong - but like you said, would’ve been cool to see her as the villain.

@@JuanTonSoupXP you're right. That's why they made it seem like there's no consequences for her actions. Even though I will always think Marceline deserved something better than being with someone like PB. Like they could have been friends easily. But a romance I think it wouldn't work. Such a wasted potential.

@@deltamachine343 they made them seem happy together in the projects after adventure time, but idk it just feels like a plot hole with Marceline’s character to basically ignore all the shit PB has done.

@@JuanTonSoupXP indeed. It just feels odd and so out of place. I see it as the writers just made a fantasy happily ever after ending. Which if you think about it. Will be a very bad message for the viewers. And mostly considering that the people who watch these shows are usually teenagers or adolescents that might want to get into couple stuff. It doesn't matter what they did in the past, they said they're sorry, now everything's ok.

In which episode did that happen?

@@Walid-mk4jo Which part?

@@2-bit567 To everything you said in this comment

I wouldn't have liked that. I really like PB as a character. And besides, I don't think she is a psychopath. I think she just thinks she's always right. There are many times in the show where she has shown empathy and rushed to the aid of her friends. She is messed up, no doubt, but certainly in no way is she evil.

So you're one of those people who didn't catch up with the series and just watched the finale, right?

@@JLacay it's just an opinion. You can disagree if you want but the last few seasons were not that good.

This would’ve been an ass ending I’m sorry

@Chris-th5fl I think it has something to do with seasonal rot where a show goes on for such a long time that the quality decreases and the show gets worse

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands.

​@@aertnadle2466 Sometimes the damage is done for some people.

@@Saltedroastedcaramel and some people believe criminals can’t be reformed in real life. They’re both wrong

Sylvanas? If you consider Sylvanus an 'anti villain' you may not want to play BFA/Shadowlands, the things she's responsible for are worse than PB.

@@frimi8593 Just because criminals can be redeemed doesn't mean they all do. In fact, they'll take advantage of that "they can be redeemed" by politicians who don't care about the average citizens who are harmed over this belief until it happens to them. I don't think criminals who are making places like San Francisco or Portland a living hell care about being redeemed. Also a bunch of politicians were okay with getting a lot Hawaiian people killed in a fire by not sounding the alarm by lying they don't a siren for fires, turning off the water and blocking the highway to escape. The fact that you brought up real life criminals in a social climate where criminals basically get away with robbing stores and creating food deserts plus the raising crimes over the years pisses me off. The whole "redeeming criminals" is even more of a sham when people get crucified for less or because of having commons sense. But anyways narrative wise, yes what Princess Bubblegum had the irredeemable point.

PB reminds me of Asgore from Undertale. They both love and care for their citizens, but will do heinous acts to keep them safe.

​@@JLacayvery true

@@JLacay Except Asgore wasn’t a tyrant who didn’t establish a police state, even his citizens complained he was actually too nice or too much of a pushover despite being their ruler. He did his heinous acts due to irrationality caused by the death of his children and his wife leaving him (Toriel should definitely be partly blamed for Asgore’s decisions, she left him when he needed her most, and only made his mindset worse). He was suicidal and depressed both by what happened to him, and the heinous acts he made. He heavily regretted his actions the moment he made them. PB didn’t regret shit until she lost her kingdom, everything she did was premeditated, with a clear mind and clear goal. Asgore was broken, PB was not, she made those decisions with a healthy mind, and still made horrible acts regardless. It’s fair to compare the both, but Asgore is definitely more in the right than PB. Asgore was also never salty about his breakup with his wife, and was always civil and respectful to Toriel even when Toriel badmouthed him, PB called Marcy Monster Trash once and always turned toxic when she couldn’t control Marcy, keeping that saltines until the two reconciled. Granted, PB isn’t like that anymore (somewhat) and she definitely is a much better romantic partner and person, she has grown, but what she was, is much worse than what Asgore was at his worst.

While I do agree with that, but I don’t see how she was controlling over Marcy and was toxic to her when she called her monster trash. PB loved her the way she is, especially that Marcy always drags to go on adventures with her or just hang out. So I don’t see how she was controlling. I also don’t understand how she was toxic when PB was in a lot of pressure to contain Larvo back in the Glass Kingdom. Marceline wasn’t helping much and suggested that they should leave to die because they are glass and they will break eventually. What she said to her was wrong, but it doesn’t excuse Marcy to be a dick

@JLacay Yeah Marcy should be blamed too for their breakup incident, but I’m talking their in general ex-relationship that was hinted at throughout the series before they got together, it was pretty clear that PB was always infuriated by Marcy when she went wild and wasn’t able to be controlled, or if her logic didn’t fit her logic. Also being toxic doesn’t mean you don’t still love the person your being toxic too, that’s not how love works. It’s nuanced as hell especially having experienced a similar situation myself. PB very much cared for Marcy, but wanted Marcy to fit in her bubble because she cared for her. Her intentions weren’t ill at all, she thought she would be able to protect Marcy if she was in that bubble, able to keep both her job, her relationship, and her people all organized and effective doing so, but wanting your fellow special someone to conform to your needs is the first step to a toxic relationship. Every time Marcy went out of that bubble, she would get toxic because she cared, and it can lead to the crappy shit she said. Love can manifest the greatest words, and the worst words. It led to her work getting in the way of their relationship, where she dug herself too deep into it to which Marcy knowing by her breakup song, wasn’t a big fan to how crappy PB was ruling her kingdom. Though to be completely fair, Marcy was definitely not ready for a relationship by this point, way too much of a untreated PTSD pigbank, making her closed off, and is partly to blame for her being quite inconsiderate and just plain petty and immature at times, and considering PB while a genius had the emotional intelligence of a brick back then, she wasn’t fit at all to deal with her indirect baggage and personality problems due to that. You can tell breakup at the glass kingdom was a buildup of continues fights and silent bitterness as PB began ignoring Marcy constantly in their relationship due to diving too much into her work over everything I discussed, and of course Marcy was the one who would instigate it, but PB would make it worse by telling her off and insulting her, which you should NEVER DO. When I watched that, I immediately thought of a 100 ways where PB could have ended off that argument better even with emotions riled up, it pisses me off watching it. Marcy should be blamed too, but the breakup was ultimately in PB for creating the climate for it, being emotionally an idiot, and ending their argument off horribly that led to Marcy blast off into full “sing about my bottled up feelings” mode ending their relationship. Now that we understanding why the toxicity and insults thrown around in their relationship was there, does it justify it? Hell no, actions speak louder than words, and it very important you don’t act like dicks in your relationship and hurt the special other you love, being a dick in a relationship still means being a dick, Marcy was far from perfect, but she needed therapy, PB was just a straight up dick, despite her good intentions. Doesn’t mean they still didn’t love each other, if they didn’t, the relationship wouldn’t even exist in the first place, nor the toxicity too. You just need to find how and learn how your love won’t end up into insults and salt, to which Marcy and PB thankfully and eventually did.

Exactly, other points are right

@@Gabesoup99999 yeah.

People forget that she have empathy. Always focus on what she did wrong and completely forgets what she did after.

@@JLacay i mean, empathy or not, she DID DO A LOT of shitty stuff that hurt other people badly. She has empathy, but even if she felt bad, she would always prioritise her people before others, she would doom your whole kingdom if it meant saving hers(she was doing so, and kinda did do that exact thing to the flame kingdom). She DID improve as a person later on, when her OWN PEOPLE voted her out, and she had time to herself to think about her life, he people, and her responsibilites.

@@3bodYking99she should pay for her actions I always hated her

And Marcy in Obsidian called her a Dictator

which one

So if I stab you until you're bleeding out on the ground dying amd all I do is stop and apologize, all of a sudden I'm a saint because I "sAw tHe eRrOr oF mY wAyS"?

@@BlueBladerBotYeah, basically. The only issue would be whether or not we can trust that you wouldn’t do it again.

@@BlueBladerBot Steven universe moment

What are you talking about? She tried to murder Fern and started unnecessary war. When Golb showed up, Marceline sayed "PB what have you done!" cause she knew her well enough.

​​​​​@@BlueBladerBoti mean, yeah, what she passed was not NEAR as the amout that she deservos for what she have done, but not all of people who have done or even still does several bad things get propriely punished for it, especialy people in high social position. Our world is not 100% fair, and if yk adventure time, there neither. I dont think its about "forget" or necessarialy "forgive," its just that she commit horible things and now she has to get along with the consequences of her own actions. In resume: its like if you stabed somene, resurrected it, make it imortal, force it to be your servent for the rest of their life, and after ALL that feel sory about it, theres no way around.

She was just a kid, true she created them and they reflect on her but what was she really suppose to do after her uncle poisoned her aunt, her cousin and attempted to do the same to her?? Gumbald is not innocent either.

I don't think when she creates someone they always 100% reflect on her. UG just turned out bad for some reason but Aunt Lolly and the cousin didn't. HE was going to use the dum dum juice on her first , in fact he is probably the one who made the thing, not her. She had to defend herself, and if someone tried to do that to you, your telling me you would honestly trust them again? Nah. We have never seen her turn on someone ever in the entire show so your excuse for him being evil is a stretch. Even in the end, she apologized and wanted him to be himself but he was still going to turn her into a mindless candy person. Some characters just are not redeemable. Pb in this case, truly isn't at fault.

So they should instead make her the bad guy and make Gumball a saint? The show was pretty clear with it: PB was way too controlling and wanted things her own way. PB HERSELF admits she was horrible for keeping Gumball stuck like that for centuries. She ends up trying to make peace finally, but Uncle Gumbalds greed is too great and tries to betray PB, and aunt Loly ends up saving PB So? Why cant we have a straigjt up villain character? Oh, right, cuz PB is an iredeemable psychopath grr! Oh wait-- there we go, making PB full on villain and making uncle Gumbald in the right

From PB's perspective: - She created her family, who then spent their time undermining her efforts to build her kingdom the way she envisioned and fighting with her - 2/3 of her family were poisoned with dumdum juice during a meeting where they were agreeing to conspire to do the same to her. - Her Uncle Gumbald tried to poison her with the dumdum juice, only to suffer the exact fate he was trying to inflict on her. - She began to question the wisdom of having other intelligent beings with ideas of their own around when she already had a clear vision of what she was trying to build. - She built her kingdom using much simpler-minded candy citizens who wouldn't argue with her (which is still very questionable, morally. Not really defending this, but we at least know WHY she did this, now) - Centuries later, her family are all "cured" and immediately begin plotting against her. Her cousin and aunt _STILL_ decide to join up with Gumbald, despite the fact that he was the person who outright betrayed them to their fate in the first place. - This would have indicated to PB that her family hated her more than the person who openly and remorselessly betrayed them, in the first place. - PB begins to build up her military after an attempt on Finn's life and an attempt to dumdum PB, herself by Fern and her family. - She still agrees to attempt a diplomatic solution by sending Finn and Jake to Gumbaldia (at their desperate request, sure, but she still agrees), despite her family committing the first open act of hostility against her and her friends. - Her family attempts ANOTHER act of "assassination" against her, which results in her closest, most trusted, most loyal, and extremely powerful advisor, confidant, and friend (Peppermint Butler) getting hit with the dumdum juice, instead. This essentially kills him. His personality, knowledge, and experiences are completely wiped from his memory, which basically kills the original version of Pepbut save for a ghostly apparition that occasionally haunts the new, younger version of himself. - May I remind you that using a diplomatic mission to attempt to assassinate your opponent is a BIG no-no when talking about international relations. MAJOR no-no on par with killing messengers/ envoys. It's a big "fuck you" that _CLEARLY_ indicates to everyone involved that they cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be trusted, and that they will not play by the rules. - Also, this results in Cousin Chicle ALSO getting caught in the crossfire, which neither Gumbald nor Aunt Lolly really seem to give a shit about. It is left unclear whether or not PB has any idea that this has happened, but Chicle was the one who put the dumdum juice on F & J in an attempt to take out PB, and so he kind of got what was coming to him, too. Chicle, TBH, feels pretty half-baked in the series, and the most we can really glean from his character is that he seems totally on board with Gumbald's bullshit. - She rallies her armies and meets Gumbald on the battlefield, and despite _EVERYTHING_ he's done up to this point and the _EXTREME_ risk that it poses to her, she _STILL_ makes one last attempt at finding a diplomatic solution. - She gets sucked into a dream world where she comes to the realization that, even though Gumbald has done extremely bad things to her, PB was also not completely in the right and did bad things to her family, too. - PB comes out of the dream feeling remorseful and attempts to sincerely apologize to her family. - Gumbald attempts to take advantage of PB's sincerity to assassinate her with dumdum juice, _AGAIN,_ but Aunt Lolly is now completely sick of Gumbald's shit and interferes, leading to Gumbald suffering the very fate he was about to inflict on PB (and probably herself, afterwards) - In the ending montage, PB and Aunt Lolly have reconciled. The only family member who remained "alive" in the end decided to repair her relationship with PB rather than continue her vendetta against her. Gumbald was treated as a bad person by the show because he _was_ a bad person. Yeah, Bubblegum was selfish when she was younger, but we have to remember that these were also pretty much the first real people she had ever had to interact with and clearly didn't have any social skills, whatsoever. She had no idea how to deal with other intelligent people and their own conflicting visions for how to do things. And, to be fair, Gumbald did the same shit she did to him. Gumbald decided to just chop down all the trees that the family had carefully planted and cultivated, and PB responded by flooding the little valley with butterscotch to create a lake. She was not the only one acting like a dick, and she was even shown trying to compromise, though it was made clear that her attempts were pretty weak. It's also not clear that PB _COULD_ have reverted the dumdum juice effects. If it was possible, then it certainly wasn't easy, because if she could do it then she almost certainly would have reverted the effects on Peppermint Butler. Even if she really is the heartless psychopath that so many RU-vidrs like to claim that she is, then she STILL would have made an antidote to the dumdum juice to be used on herself after Gumbald's repeated attempts to use it on PB, if it was possible. It took a colossal event to undo the dumdum juice effects on her family, and it was only due to a power that LSP had that _nobody_ in Ooo was aware she had until the finale of Elements. And, even if PB was aware that LSP may have anti-elemental powers, beforehand, she still did not seem to know that these powers would be able to undo the effects of the dumdum juice, because she was completely blindsided when her family turned back up. I think we assume too much about PB's abilities, which is weird because her "science" experiments fail miserably all the time.

@@JoaoPedro-eq3hj No Gumbald was controlling and had terrible ideas here. When did she? She couldn't trust him again.

If you think of all the horrible things she's done, then PB would most likely get the death sentence or someone would have hired an assassin to take her out. But then it would piss off a lot of fans that she died, but realistically you can't do all those horrible things and just casually walk away from it. So just chalk it up to bad writing.

I mean she got consequences for her bad actions. They were going somewhere with it.

@@StrategicLemon Not really, she didn't do many horrible things. But she didn't do that many horrible things and it's fine really. No it isn't bad writing.

​@@jaydenc367lol great argument

@@misterdj6671 Is theirs any better?

Needy is where he’s been because that’s where he wants to be. PB doesn’t lock him away. Needy quite literally can’t stand being away from it and doesn’t/can’t really socialize. He didn’t come out of the Mother Gum the same way as PB and that’s effected his daily living. Finn was her protector on his own accord, not because she enlisted him

@@demoncatthing she did encourage and manipulate him to serve her tho

@@adriannabocian8076 let’s not lie to ourselves. Finn was going to help people no matter what happened because that it’s been his passion from day one. Just being a hero alongside his brother because he loves it.

Based on what I have said I might need to explain some of my thinking. Needy is not like that because of PB. That I understand and will take into. The thing is she left a "Guardian" to protect him. Good she cares for him. Points to her. TL'DR she made a guardian that can can't do shit. And he's behind a "hidden door. Congrats PB your only family and the linchpin that your kingdom rides or dies on, and you make the bare minimum of protection. Better then nothing I guess. Hay when you had the Rattle Balls maybe make one that would protect Needy. Remember they follow her 100%. How about that instead of a guy that says hello welcome. Part 2 is about Finn.

Part 2 Finn. He is doing this out of his Hero code. I will agree with that. Can you give me an answer on why she flip flops on how to give orders to him. She knows how to give orders like in What Have You Done. But when it comes to Burning Love she dose the opposite and does the most complicated explanation. That and the speech she said could have been worded better and not cryptic! "Finn. When you are with some body. And you want to kiss them. But you can because you have responsibilities." "What I'm trying to say is your a hero Finn. Your my hero." Yo Gum rapper! Say Thanks for not Destroying the world Finn.

She doesn't deserve marceline and I'm pretty sure she said some kind of slur to her

Marceline can fix her!

​@@ezrabraman6437Marcy needs to stay away from her

​@@newdawnhorizon9879 Huh?

@@Based_Gigachad_001 I was telling someone that bubblegum shouldn't be anywhere near Marcy

Damn she just like me fr fr I think I just found my new favorite character

Ah yes a true politician.

She got kicked out of her own kingdom for a reason...

Something that was taken as bad and her kingdom was given to her again so 🤷

eh no the end of the video even says she displayed remorse

fr

She is 840 years old. The first sentient people she knew (and were made of her own flesh) betrayed her. What would you expect

Fair point

exactky

Agreed. They did not think this character through enough, and it really shows during re-watches. It’s stuff like this that prevents AT from being S Tier

@@animationdude9 that's fair but like many shows it was figured out over time

She might be evil, but definitely not a psychopath. Good there. Now we can forgive her.

I mean rose yes she became more complicated but she was an absolutely great person, she lead a rebellion because she wanted liberation for gems and because she loved the beauty outside of the dictatorship of the diamond authority. The show imo, just started shitting on her and acting as if she was like omg the worst ever because they needed a reason for Steven to sulk and not come off as a whiny beeotch.

​@@emmuzboosheven though I love Spinel a lot. I think the movie was just to make Pink Diamond look worse. Like come on, are you seriously telling me the one who can tolerate Pearl wasn't able to tolerate such a cute gem like Spinel? That's just lazy writing in my opinion. I still think Pink Diamond wasn't that bad. Because even though she made mistakes along the way, it isn't as bad as PB did. Definitely White Diamond is so much worse. But we can all agree that characters like this were wasted just because they're misunderstood women. I can understand Spinel's actions (not too much) but forgiving sociopaths, narcissists, dictators, genocides, and tyrants is just something I can't understand. I love these two shows a lot. But I can recognize their flaws.

Her doing bad stuff doesn't make people liking her surprising People have loved anti heroes and villains for decades

Tbf, she and the other princesses aren't even princesses, but literal creators and mothers of their own people who biologically speaking are their own children. They aren't political leaders, just very weird teenaged moms who THINK they know it all and are a permanent state of delusions of granduer because of their eternal lives. Humans would feel fear, Rebel, or assassinate, but these kingdoms aren't human.

Love how you tried to call her a fascist in a definitional sense, explicitly not in a vague authoritarian insult sense, then went on to not do that. To be clear I think PB’s politics in how she handles her kingdom is bad. I think all monarchies are bad. She ain’t a fascist tho

Umberto Eco’s 14 properties of fascist ideology are generally considered a good standard to judge by. 1: cult of tradition Seeing as there was no candy kingdom before her, there’s not much tradition to fall back on. That said, despite nearly every candy citizen probably being centuries old, there is shockingly little appeals to tradition in her characterization. While technically not on herself, i think it’s quite telling that her Fionna and Cake counterpart in the new show is explicitly contrasted against the specifically traditionalist peppermint butler counterpart 2: the rejection of modernism I feel like little argument needs to be made here. She’s like the most modernist character on the show. She’s literally a scientist/engineer/innovator. 3: the cult of action for action’s sake Maybe this could be argued for pb, but what it specifically is meant to refer to is being against the intellectual reflection of one’s actions. As demonstrated in this video, pb tends to try to self-justify and reassure herself that her reasons for doing things are correct. I think this alone means she does not promote action for action’s sake 4: Disagreement is treason I personally can’t think of an instance of this being reflected in the show. Her stance towards magic and wizardry is notable but she doesn’t treat disagreement on it as treasonous. I guess there was the time she arrayed tree trunks’ wedding but I think the idea behind that was literally a personal grudge against king of ooo and tree trunks, and not a matter of ideological treason. Still bad, not fascist tho. 5: fear of difference Generally in reference to xenophobia, racism, or other forms of bigotry. I don’t see much of this in pb at all with the sole exception of wizards, and honestly considering the principle of mms, it’s not unreasonable to distrust wizards in general even if there are many instances of more sane wizards. We even see wizards that are able to function in her kingdom, like her literal right hand peppermint butler, and also huntress wizard that one time on Finn’s birthday. 6: Appeal to a frustrated middle class This is not applicable to adventure time since although there is commerce in the candy kingdom, there really aren’t shown to be economic classes 7: Obsession with a plot In reference to a perceived enemy plot, such as the n*zis (yt doesn’t like that word) treating Jewish people as monolithic conspirators. PB is generally very pragmatic in approach and she pretty much never put out propaganda about an enemy plot among her people until gumbald was raising arms against her, for which I think for the point to count your perceived enemy can’t actually be plotting against you 8: “at the same time strong and too weak” Another in reference to a perceived enemy to the nation, of which there was none until gumbaldia. Gumbaldia was only ever treated as a threat. There was no presentation of them as weak by pb 9: Nation in unending conflict The candy kingdom has existed under pb through centuries worth of peacetime 10: contempt for the weak Many of the candy citizens are literally incapable of surviving out on their own without pb providing for them. The majority of the candy citizens are dependent on her. This is frequently cited as a manipulation tactic of pb, intentionally handicapping her own citizens so they have no other choice but to follow her, but in this instance it’s a point in her favor. She is repeatedly demonstrated to be compassionate towards her civilian citizens despite her authoritarian tendencies. Hell, even the killing of the rattle balls is a point against this, as they were deemed too violent, unlike the banana guards. Essentially she didn’t like them for being “not weak enough” 11: cult of death, or people are made to become self sacrificing hero’s This is the one point I think pb aligns with. I could very easily see Finn argued to embody Eco’s fascist hero for the candy kingdom, ready and willing to throw his life away in an instant for his nation. But considering how this experience is not universal across the citizens of the candy kingdom, and that she basically demonstrates the opposite on some other points, I don’t think this point with Finn alone is sufficient to say she’s a fascist 12: machismo This point is rooted deeply in the sexist tendencies of fascists, including the sexual objectification of women. I don’t think there’s any sexism or sexual abuse of any kind in the candy kingdom. And no I don’t think her “leading Finn on” counts; that’s stupid for multiple reasons I could get into in a reply if contested on 13: Selective populism As a monarch, pb doesn’t really need to demonstrate any populism, let alone the selective kind described by Eco. The only time I can think of that the people’s voice mattered was when they elected the king of ooo at which point pb, though reluctantly, gave up her position as princess 14: Newspeak While it would be funny to point to adventure time’s unique and totally mathematical, algebraic vocabulary as an instance of this, it’s clearly not; the weird slang of Ooo is totally universal and spans cultures

@@frimi8593 this is an interesting and informative breakdown

Which audio is it

@@khaliyahjefferson832 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Txs0pTDOtJc.htmlsi=j150KFbZTRRcAs_i

PLEASE TELL ME WHICH EPISODE THIS WAS

@@rosykindbunny1313look at the link

@@rosykindbunny1313 nemesis

NO!

​@@enigmaticencounterlol3277YES! Just because they're lesbian it doesn't mean they should be together

@@desirefabela6421 NO!

Marceline should have been with Fire Princess instead! ( if Cartoon network confirms that FP is lesbian first of course)

​@@enigmaticencounterlol3277💀

1st deadworld

At a pretty good spot really

@@AlfaresAnas press x to doubt

I mean Marcy can bail her out anyway if that ever happens

​@@jaydenc367holy shit dude it is time to get out of the denial phase, you responded to all this comment with baseless and bad arguments, lear n that what you say doesnt matter when her actions say something else give up.

Good question

Because lemongrab is disabled, soldiers are being violent on purpose which can be a real thread. I don't think lemongrab can go ahead and commit big crimes, he isn't that smart and he wouldn't want the kingdom to perish ever. But violent soldiers can possibly take down the kingdom if they wanted to. At least that's what I think PB would think.

@@_cran but PB is not above killing her experiments if she doesn't care for them or if they can potentially pose a threat.

@@brookeneeley396 If it is potantial thread yes but if they are not I think she doesn't care

Like hell he was right.

Yeah, this is sucks.

That's something I will never understand. Why wasting such a potential for the sake of making some fanfic weirdos in the Internet happy?

True

She's got bad tastes in woman lol.

If I was her I wouldn't even befriend her again. Definitely someone who doesn't deserve Marceline.

@@deltamachine343 Right? Loke if calling a vampire "monster trash" ain't some kind of slur, then idk what is.

​@@deltamachine343THIS OMG i swear i can tell the "being back together again" felt a lil bit forced imo.

She comes from magic, and yet she rejects the idea of it even existing.

Darn I forgot about that. Now I see where Lemongrab got that trait from.

How exactly is it messed up for an adult to ignore a child's love towards them?

he better at hiding the fact he evil