It is hilarious how much synergy hunters and warlocks in their kits meanwhile nothing in prismatic Titan works together except for knockout+consecration
For both my Hunter and my Warlock, I literally kept my same gear on (Gyrfalcons and Getaway Artisit, respectively) and used the default prismatic loadouts as I unlocked them in the campaign, and my loadouts were virtually optimized by accident from jump. I was doing all sorts of crazy powerful abilities without even knowing wtf I was doing. Contrast that with my Titan ,where I switched back to Strand for the majority of the campaign because the Pris kit was so garbage. All the crap abilities that nobody likes, taken from other subclasses and mashed into one, with little-to-no cohesion. Shackle Grenades? Shield Throw?!? Are you kidding me, Bungie??
Who would’ve thought that the subclass that lets you combine all kinds of things together that were never balanced around being combined together, AND has a second super on top of it, would end up being op? I’m so shocked! -Bungie, probably
I think prismatic titan is neat, but i find myself not really enjoying it as much as id hope. I mainly use it to have thruster for using the exotic rocket chestpiece. I'm not the biggest fan of the common "triple consecration" build the Internet has latched onto. Prismatic warlock on the other hand is fantastic and im a huge fan, although when im lfging raids im usually running solar still with the speakers mask. Otherwise, i think prismatic warlock probably outright replaces a lot of other subclasses, especially with the exotic class items and how osmiomancy and star eaters work
@tanookimariorocks I think I missed an opportunity to address Titan's shortcomings, but I don't think that really messes with my argument. That build might be limited to fragging out and not really an amazing boss option, but it's a 70/30 abilities/guns split if you aren't really trying iirc, and that is more my point than how strong Prismatic is, fun is secondary in this instance.
all i thinking while listening was: Wait till he gets to the Class Items and sees the real Powercreep. I think Prismatic is a bit too much. Bungie definetly has some big Balancing to do in the coming Weeks.
No you're right - Prismatic is just completely unhinged right now with melee abilities on Warlock and perma invis Hunter, not sure on Titan - but something definitely needs to be tuned. Right now its just nuts I'll say that Stasis was reeled in somewhat by its insane cooldowns to keep its incredibly powerful angle (freezing people) from getting too out of control. Prismatic needs its own set of cooldowns with its interactions.
Stylish Executioner works exactly like it always has, except you aren’t locked to void debuffs. Void and Solar Hunter each already had plenty of ways to slay out such that prismatic doesn’t change much if you really wanted to go back to those playstyles. I’d even argue the lack of subclass-specific synergies like extended invis or Knock ‘Em Down refunding your knives on kill is slightly worse for those styles.
The first part is just incorrect, and it downplays how impactful "any debuff" is compared to specific elemental ones. Stylish executioner used to require precision kills while crouched on top of the debuffs. That was too specific, obviously, so they removed the first two stipulations.
@@bloodelf941 Either you just made that bit about precision shots up or it’s been scrubbed from the history of the internet, cuz I can’t find a single source that confirms this. Light GG says it was added 2 years ago, and every post or video I find from that time frame suggests it works exactly the same way except specifically for void debuffs. And no, it really isn’t any easier or harder to get the other subclass debuffs than it is to apply weaken or volatile. I’ll give you suppress because that’s not quite as widely available to all the classes as it is on Titan. Between destabilizing rounds, Gyrfalcon’s (which is on the class item and mixes very well with Spirit of Galanor), and exotics like Buried Bloodline or Collective Obligation, it’s exactly as easy to maintain invis on Void as it is Prismatic. I know because I mained void hunter all throughout the last half-year of solar supremacy and I never lost invis.
I went looking, too, just to make sure I was right, lol. I swear it used to require precision shots, but I'm willing to be wrong on that one. My bad if that's the case. But the ease of application between the debuffs specifically isn't my focus for that conversation. It's the restrictions on what you can use or equip. For example, if I was stuck to void debuffs, I could use the examples you provided, plus some others we may have forgotten, but not every single debuff in the hunter kit. Slow wouldn't matter, so winter's shroud and withering blade would not be useful for proccing Stylish. Unravel and sever wouldn't matter, so none of the strand abilities would be useful for proccing Stylish. The limitation is not on the mechanical difficulty of applying debuffs, just which options are available to do so. Does that make sense?
@@bloodelf941 You could use every debuff in the Void Hunter kit, that’s the point kind of like how the point of Prismatic is combining all of the subclasses while leaving out the specific bonuses that make each class distinct. Slows and even Silence and Squall itself doesn’t last as long; proc’ing ignitions is noticeably slower/less worth unless you run the fragment to boost them and give up utility elsewhere; lingering nades are shorter; no blinding special weapons while amp’d, or any of the other specific combinations that only work because you have all of that subclass’ interactions available to you. Prismatic offers some really fun and unique playstyles that we haven’t seen before, like a true dedicated melee Warlock build. The problem is that Titan’s toys are less interesting than Warlock and Hunter. Triple consecrate is solid and shitting out alpha lupi/drengr’s lash balls with thrusters is neat, but the viable options are significantly more limited than just playing one of the distinct subclasses.
@@AzarathMetreon I think we're on the same page, I just have a concern about the point of Prismatic and am worried about power creep enough to make a video about it.
I agree wholeheartedly. But mark my words: This won't be a become a real discussion until Titans get improved. That's the way it works; all the Hunter and Warlock mains get thee most broken abilities (while they simultaneously yell that Bungie hates their class, ironically), but the minute Titans get 1 broken ability that wrecks them PVP, they go crying even more, saying things are unfair and that power creep has become a problem. Then Bungie swoops in with their nerf guns, locked and loaded.
Imagine if Cayde-6's ghost had a secret questline that led to a dance-off with Oryx in the Ascendant Realm, and if you win, he drops a limited edition spicy ramen emote that buffs your RNG for 24 hours. Bungie, make it happen!
Do you think prismatic has taken away the need for any other light/dark subclass? I look at the builds that were top tier last two seasons and they seem boring compared to Prismatic.
@xBadWolf79x depends on the class and how hard you're going to invest in buildcraft. At a baseline? No, I don't think so. Prismatic fits a certain class identity for all 3 (how effective that is not being the point, see Titan's performance), and the other subclass options do different jobs in different ways. The upper ceiling, though? Yeah. The class fantasy of constant invis uptime on Nightstalker doesn't matter if you've got 99.37% Damage Reduction and can kill everything with jolt on Prismatic hunter
Yeah I feared ability spam too. And they keep nerfing guns sometimes it feels like to make up for the DMG I need an ability to insert here. I main warlock and I like bows and trace rifles. Arc buddy fits perfect to kill that yellow/red bar in between a bullet sponge target. Pvp I can't even shoot back at someone anymore idk about that side of game.
I believe in the interviews before the final shape dropped that the were leaning more towards wanting the player to feel like they are growing stronger as you level up so why are you surprised... respectfully.
@@daltonthomas5723 I don't think it's made everything else irrelevant just yet. Like I said before, each prismatic subclass has its own identity in the "How" it does the slaying, but ability uptime and energy generation are my main pain points.
@@nickkoch6740 whether or not D3 happens, is tied to how successful D2 is in the now (among other factors that both you and I aren't aware of since we don't work at Bungie) and if we have the same problems repeated again and again and again that push people away lowering the player population? It won't perform well
@@bloodelf941 people complain about ability spam in PvP when the games a pve game I just wanna be overpowered with prismatic and it’s already hard enough for a titan main
"I think we've skewed too far in one direction" has it not been extremely obvious for a very long time that bungie wants this to be a game about abilities with guns there as a little helper? This ain't the game if you want a dedicated or pure shooter.
Also another comment that came to my mind now that its not 12 am eepy hours, on the note of ability uptime, its outright absurd how well warlock flows into each other. If you use the buddy build, you got devour giving huge chunks of grenade energy wirh every single kill from anything ever. Getaway artist itself makes arc soul grant grenade energy ON HIT. Even before accounting for mods, you can have 100% grenade / buddy up time. Add on mods and fragments, and you realistically could probably do a raid encounter without shooting a gun outside of champs or mechanics. Even if you dont use the buddy build, devour with an osmiomancy class item is also nearly 100% uptime as long as theres something to throw a grenade at that dies to said grenade Devour is an absolutely insane aspect and it sorta bothers me prismatic has it because it's so enabling for ability spam and sustain, especially ever since they nerfed non-aspect devour and made aspect devour better
I don’t understand why this confuses people. Bungie has drawn a line in the sand, Prismatic wasn’t tuned for PvP. It was clearly tuned for PvE. Currently Bungie understands this games PvE community is much bigger so the logic becomes “cast the widest net” which is catering to PvE over PvP generally. Having said that Prismatic was always intended to be “overpowered”. It’s the new sub class of course they’re going to crank up the tuning. That and lore wise it was given to us by the traveller specifically to kill a god, it’s supposed to be strong. Same thing happened with Solar, Void and Arc 3.0. They were ridiculous when they first released. Bungie has also already addressed that prismatic Titans need a little help. They’ve said the sandbox would be consistently tweaked. Basically if Bungie staff watched your video they’d unanimously say “we know, just have fun with it now. It’ll change”.
@ukbleedbluex9340 Damn you're right. We should just never supply feedback or voice concerns because Bungie knows and isn't looking for either of those things from the community. And they've definitely never had a history of letting overtuned abilities and power creep run wild for extended periods of time before.
@@bloodelf941 No need to be a smart ass. Your pointless reply did nothing but prove my point. You’ve seen this happen time and time again in the 10 year history of this game and it’s changed every single time, why are you acting surprised when it happens again?
@ukbleedbluex9340 I'm gonna be a smartass if you open with a dismissive remark. But to your point, I'm not surprised or confused. I am voicing a concern based on previous longstanding issues that pop up periodically. Some of which have not been fixed since the launch of Forsaken. Yes, I expect balance passes and changes. This is a live service game, that's the whole point. I'm voicing my concerns in an attempt to shape those changes that may or may not come down the line. That is all.
@@bloodelf941 You derived the meaning out of my comment. That’s on you, not me. Growing your channel is just going to be very difficult if you choose to let a comment like mine get your panties all up in a twist. I didn’t even say anything bad, you chose to get offended.
@ukbleedbluex9340 I'm having fun and have been doing pretty ok so far. Comments generate traction, RU-vid likes engagement, and people tend to respond more when they're arguing about something or there's some perceived slight. Something about the need to defend yourself or someshit? Idk, I'm not well versed in social media engagement, but my most viewed video had me getting into arguments with people in the comments, so... Idk, I think I'm in the right with this one. Appreciate the engagement. Are you gonna acknowledge the rest of my response, or are we done here now that I've pulled back the curtain on this little spat?
if you still believe in game balance in d2 at this point, that is entirely your fault. i gave up on that idea after strand released, and atp, i'm just like "yep, let'er rip"
I think it's worth it to at least have a goal in mind. True balance is a forgone conclusion, absolutely. I just think it's a good idea to at least attempt to keep outliers in line
@Arctis326 big damage 😅😅 hunters, and warlocks can do bigger damage. Both hunters, and warlocks can do everything a titan can do but better. That's why titans where less then 2% of the raid clear.
@@soppybottomboys1195 nah you’re just bad. Im a hunter main but i can dish out good dps in the witness encounter but ofcourse not as high as crutchhawk still hunt rotation
@Arctis326 I'm done talking to a hunter main who says titans are great 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Titans are so bad right that Bungie even said so, and they are looking at what can be done.
