Private Security on site at UCLA Protests: When to pull out?

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@82stuntman 4 месяца назад

I've been following this as well and noticed the Apex security seemed to be standing static in between the counter protesters and the protestor encampment. I'm not clear on if these guys were task as a human barrier or sorts between the two factions, or if they were providing security on campus. It seems if they were tasked in some way involving the protests, I would like to see the officers more equipped for the situation and hopefully undergoes recurring training in crowd control and higher risk environments. If they were general armed campus security, I would probably opt towards focusing on ensuring the buildings stay locked and secure. However, it would all depend in the contracts tasking and post orders. I think there's certainly a place for security professionals in these kinds of environments, but most companies are not training or equitment focused which would be essential for working these kinds of details.

@UniversitySecurity 4 месяца назад

They are treating this as event security, not a turbulent protest. They don't even have a hardhat. Even at Construction sites, Officer's wear high vis and hardhats. Objects are being thrown frequently. They are not equipped or trained for the job at hand that is clear. Protestors, News Crews and Police alike were wearing helmets. The only group that wasn't wearing any was Security.

@BuceGar 4 месяца назад

There are many factors to consider here. The first one is who your employer is and what do they want you to do? Security is not law enforcement, and your employer, which in this case seems to be the college, cannot give you legal authority they themselves do not have. So for example, they could not order contract security to disperse the crowd by any means necessary, to include mace, violence or batons, only law enforcement can make a call like that and they would assume all legal liability if they did so. Contact security COULD control access to buildings or protect staff members who were being attacked. For example, if a staff member or college professor was physically attacked then it would be reasonable for security to use OC spray to get the staff member to safety using the minimal amount of force necessary to stop the attack, but even then most security companies would tell their officers not to do this so as to not incur any civil liability. The only time I can think of when contact security would physically help disperse the crowd would be under the direct supervision of law enforcement, for example, a county sheriff who is in essence deputizing the security officers to help quell an illegal situation. In that instance law enforcement is assuming the criminal liability, but not the CIVIL liability, so once again I cannot see an instance where a contract security company would authorize or allow that to occur.

@UniversitySecurity 4 месяца назад

The client is the University but there employer has been identified as APEX. They specialize in event and crowd management at sporting event, concerts and VIP protection details. A Security Officer can’t order an unlawful assembly. This had to come from law enforcement. Force used by LE to remove the protestors, not even talking about the risk, goes outside the scope and authority of a Security Officer. I would be concerned deploying mace / OC in this situation as the secondary exposure against a non-violent bystander could expose you to liability. It’s in a very crowded environment. People often forget Security is far more limited in when we can use force, and it must be the least amount necessary. A Security Officer engaging an active threat but strikes someone hiding in dressing rooms across the store likely is not going to fair as well as a recent Police Officer.

@cjanquart 4 месяца назад

The only positive thing I saw with that detail was that unlike other contract security I've worked for an alongside, at least they were in uniform. Standing on a line with zero duty gear or PPE was a Charlie Foxtrot.

@UniversitySecurity 4 месяца назад

The minute Police Officer's show up in riot gear, lethal and less lethal cover and start ordering everyone out....It's time to back out. AT THE LATEST. Either senior managers did not communicate with Officers on the ground or the Officer's on the ground did not know how to assess the threat on the ground to convey it....This one could have been much worse and was way outside the scope of event security.

@cjanquart 4 месяца назад

@@UniversitySecurity Agreed. I was in some pretty sketchy situations while working at a hospital. I learned more efficient control holds from nurses and techs than from my manager and if I did some of the stuff the staff did I'd be lucky to get a verbal. Ended up leaving because it wasn't worth the pay and getting punched, kicked, spit on (god I hate spitters), etc. on a regular basis with no management recourse/support.

@johnathanmiller3033 4 месяца назад

One excuse after another for them not doing their job . They are coward that should have put a stop to it long before the crowd became that large .

@UniversitySecurity 4 месяца назад

You’re suggesting private security should be responsible for interfering with protests? Much less in an environment that had a history of civil action and movements? It’s a public university. You understand until an unlawful assembly was declared some of the actions shown are legal. You want them to preemptively interfere? Your interpretation of private security and what they should do is way off. This was 1000% a law enforcement matter. Private security has a very limited role in this environment and that’s to call law enforcement, not actively attempt to forcibly remove the protesters. They are not equipped, untrained in riot management and legally limited in their authority to act.

@johnathanmiller3033 4 месяца назад

@@UniversitySecurity Real security would never let it become a problem in the first place .

@UniversitySecurity 4 месяца назад

@@johnathanmiller3033You still haven’t suggested one thing thing should have done, other than do something. Both sides showed hostility towards each other. Both sides had a legal right to express themselves. That expression likely inflamed the other side due to different interpretations of the events. All over this country security guards are told observe and report, yet you want them to take action in a manner that would be extremely risky and posed serious problems for law enforcement? Rights of the protesters in the beginning were protected by the constitution. I think that’s lost by how you are viewing this event.

@Twosticks1973 4 месяца назад

So you were sent to protect property or life of your employer? If it’s employer then remove him long before it got to this point. If it’s property then read up on the laws. You can’t use deadly force to protect. It’s the “protesters” choice to be there so their lives are not your responsibility.

@UniversitySecurity 4 месяца назад

I didn’t suggest using a firearm to force them to leave but if law enforcement deployed less lethal and lethal, the active threat and risk is obviously higher than what the security officers were prepared to deal with. I was merely pointing out the differences between LE and Security but the crowds expectation was for them to carry out the same job.