Pro-Choice "Devout Christian" Debates Abolitionist 

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A perfect example of someone who doesn't really know the definition of devout.

"Im a devout christian who is for abortion and not forgiving sinners." -girl

my sister is a devout "Christian" like this. The cognitive dissonance with these people is so surreal.

Their hypotheticals are always the edge cases. They ignore the vast majority of babies killed for convenience.

In 2021 in Florida rape and incest accounted for .001% of abortions. 126 out of 79817 abortions. While elective and social/economic reasons accounted for 95.5%, 76258 out of 79817. It's just disingenuous to argue that it should be legal because of rape.

I used to be pro-life, then Russell showed me that I was actually an abolitionist who hadn't realised it. Thanks Russell!

When progressive people say they are devout Christians, what they really mean is this: “The only part of the Bible that I like are the parts that talk about love and about not judging others. The end.”

"I am pro-sin because God is forgiving"

So basically she's saying "kill all you want because God is love and will forgive you either way"... Someone hasn't the slightest clue of what repentance is ✔

The church at large needs to have their hearts convicted of this. Too many are bending to the culture

Yeah this girl’s theology is wanting very badly. Her church has done her an egregious disservice.

Amazing to see a full 30 minutes of no one shouting obscenities at you or being rude. Thank you for all y’all do!

I wrote this comment on a short, but I wanted to say here that I love my t shirts and I wear them all the time in my generally liberal coastal city. Nobody has confronted me yet. I have had a hard life, been victimized a lot, but I am glad for my life. I hope nobody decides my life isn't worth living because of all the trauma.

"Can you be a Christian and pro-choice? " Well yes but actually no

It’s mental gymnastics. I would have made the same arguments as this girl when I was her age. At least she’s open for an honest discussion and has the chance to change her mind in the future.

While I'm sure most people here will generally disagree with her position on abortion, I do believe we can all agree that at least she came to Hunter respectfully and was willing to listen and debate and also didn't use the old tired trope off " You're a man so you can't have an opinion" argument that so many young woman like to use when debating a male abolitionists. I tip my hat to this young lady.

Responding to 9:17: My childhood best friend was raped by her stepfather and got pregnant, age 12. He forced her against her will to have an abortion. She didn't want to. She thought it was wrong. "Of course" a girl who is raped should have an abortion? What, she doesn't have a say? My best friend died when she was 32 years old. I think there is only so much trauma and betrayal a body can take before it gives out.

You are as an American granted "...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..." and you can't have those when you're murdered without concent

Amazing content, please keep the long form uploads coming!

Poor girl doesn't understand the Gospel if she is questioning if people can be forgiven for sins.

Abortion is murder-period! Biblically, and medically, it is the premeditated ending of an innocent human being. Ecclesiastes 11:5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all. Matthew 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is HIS reward. Psalm 139:13-18For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are your works; my soul knows it very well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me,when as yet there was none of them. How precious to me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them! If I would count them, they are more than the sand. I awake, and I am still with you. Luke 1:41-44 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, THE BABE LEAPED IN HER WOMB; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, THE BABE LEAPED IN MY WOMB FOR JOY.” Jeremiah 1:5 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, BEFORE I FORMED THEE IN THE BELLY I KNEW THEE; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations Isaiah 44:24-25 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and HE THAT FORMED THEE FROM THE WOMB, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish 26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof Proverbs 6:16-19 16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Medically: What happens in the zygote stage? If a sperm penetrates the egg, fertilization results. Tiny hairlike cilia lining the fallopian tube propel the fertilized egg (zygote) through the tube toward the uterus. The cells of the zygote divide repeatedly as the zygote moves down the fallopian tube to the uterus. The zygote enters the uterus in 3 to 5 days. The zygote phase lasts only about four to six days, after which the single cell splits rapidly to become a blastocyst and then an embryo. What makes a zygote alive? The fusion of the sperm (with 23 chromosomes) and the oocyte (with 23 chromosomes) at fertilization results in a live human being, a single-cell human zygote, with 46 chromosomes, the number of chromosomes characteristic of an individual member of the human species. At what point does life begin? The biological line of existence of each individual, without exception begins precisely when fertilization of the egg is successful. The process of fertilization actually begins with conditioning of the spermatozoon in the male and female reproductive tracts. Does human life begin at conception? Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote." "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). Does an embryo have a heartbeat? At 6 weeks, the embryo's heart is beating rhythmically, and the heart can be easily identified. Its image has been captured for viewers to see. Researchers have found that the presence of a heartbeat at 6-8 weeks indicates that the baby has a very high chance of surviving to childbirth. Can a fetus feel pain? * The idea that unborn and newborn babies cannot feel pain is obsolete, refuted by an extensive and growing body of scientific evidence. The myth that unborn babies cannot feel pain comes from a bygone era when newborns were strapped down for surgery without pain relief.[i] The substantial published scientific literature on the topic shows that unborn babies can experience pain at least by 15 weeks gestational age (15 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier. Two common methods are used to measure the age of an unborn baby: Post-fertilization age or post-conception weeks (PCW), used by embryologists, measures the age of the unborn baby from the actual date of conception, while gestational age measures from the first day of the mother’s last menstrual period (LMP, approx. two weeks before conception). Medical practitioners have been using the latter method as standard medical practice for decades, and for the purpose of this paper, ages refer to gestational age unless otherwise indicated. * A comprehensive review of the scientific literature[ii] including neural development, psychology of pain sensation, and moral implications of fetal pain, concludes that unborn babies may experience pain as early as 12 weeks. The review notes that neural connections from periphery to brain are functionally complete after 18 weeks. “Nevertheless, we no longer view fetal pain (as a core, immediate, sensation) in a gestational window of 12-24 weeks as impossible based on the neuroscience.” The review points out that a fetus may not experience pain in the same way as an adult, but does indeed experience pain as a real sensation, and that this pain experience has moral implications. Significant because this unbiased review of the scientific evidence and agreement on existence of fetal pain, as early as 12 weeks and certainly by 18 weeks, comes from two highly credentialed medical professionals, one pro-choice. “The two authors came together to write this paper through a shared sense that the neuroscientific data, especially more recent data, could not support a categorical rejection of fetal pain.” * Embryological development occurs early for pain sensory mechanisms and neurophysiology. The basic anatomical organization of the human nervous system is established by 6 weeks.[iii] Nerve synapses for spinal reflex are in place by 10 weeks.[iv] Pain receptors (nociceptors) begin forming at 7 weeks’ gestational age.[v] * Nerves linking these pain receptors to the brain’s thalamus and subcortical plate form between 12- and 20-weeks’ gestational age.[vi] The thalamus functions in pain perception in fetuses as well as in adults.[vii] * Numerous lines of evidence now show the fallacy in the claim that the brain cortex is necessary to experience pain and suffering, including the fact that decordate individuals as well as animals lacking higher cortical structures obviously do feel pain.[viii] In fact, the human brain cortex does not fully mature until approximately 25 years of age, yet infants, children, and teenagers also obviously can experience pain.[ix] * Fetal reactions provide evidence of pain response. The unborn baby reacts to noxious stimuli with avoidance reactions and stress responses. As early as 8 weeks, the baby exhibits reflex movement during invasive procedures.[x] The application of painful stimuli to an unborn child is associated with significant increases in stress hormones in the unborn child, known as the stress response.[xi] In fact, evidence indicates that subjection to painful stimuli as a fetus is associated with long-term harmful neurodevelopmental effects, such as altered pain sensitivity and, possibly, emotional, behavioral, and learning disabilities later in life.[xii] * Ruth Grunau, a pediatric psychologist at the University of British Columbia, said, “We would seem to be holding an extraordinary standard if we didn’t infer pain from all those measures.”[xiii] * Increased sensitivity to pain. In 2010 one group noted that “the earlier infants are delivered, the stronger their response to pain.”[xiv] This increased sensitivity is due to the fact that the neural mechanisms that inhibit pain sensations do not begin to develop until 34-36 weeks , and are not complete until a significant time after birth.[xv] This means that unborn, as well as newborn and preterm, infants show “hyperresponsiveness” to pain.[xvi] Authors of a 2015 study used the fMRI technique to measure pain response in newborns (1-6 days old) vs. adults (23-36 years old), and found that “the infant pain experience closely resembles that seen in adults.” [xvii] Babies had 18 out of 20 brain regions respond like adults, yet they showed much greater sensitivity to pain, responding at a level four times as sensitive as adults. * Through technological advancements, the peer-reviewed evidence has only become more compelling as ultrasonographic studies have literally given us a window into the womb for the first time. A study published earlier this year found that fetuses at approximately 31 weeks’ gestation grimaced with pain when their thighs were injected with anesthetic prior to a painful intrauterine surgery. Another 2021 study observed the same result - a pained grimace upon being pricked with a needle with anesthetic - with a 23 weeks’ gestation fetus about to undergo heart surgery in the womb.[xviii]

Oh... her. Definitely wasn't expecting her to be the "devout Christian".

I think most of these people don't really understand foster care. Foster care is not an orphanage, the vast majority of children in foster care are not waiting to be adopted. There are an estimated 400,000 children in foster care, of those only 100,000 are actually available for adoption. There are an estimated 2 million couples approved and waiting to adopt a new baby, if you find yourself pregnant with a healthy baby and you don't want it it is very unlikely to end up in foster care (unless you refused to give up your rights to the baby).

A good set of questions to ask abortion advocates is: "What if a particular baby was healthy and would be raised as part of a great family?" "Would you oppose the abortion in that instance even if the woman wanted the abortion?"

You're very gifted at this and I feel I'm being trained on how to speak calmly and more slowly when these conversations come up. I always pray for the people you encounter when I watch these. Thank you for getting out there with truth and encouraging us by your actions.

Pray for this girl. She needs abundant grace :(

Kids would be better off not being born? Seriously? What a despicable person. I was raised in poverty. I was abused in terrible ways. I don't regret my life one single bit.

I don't know how you do it, Russel. You are so calm and collected. Gotta be the Lord's peace. Shalom and God bless your work!

"People murder their kids because..." Girl, nothing you say after that "because" will ever be an excuse for murder.

"Abortion should be legal because God can forgive it" Can God forgive rape? "Yes." So rape should be legal? "No." Ok so where is her actual argument?

The fact that she stays and keeps listening, even though she has very little to say herself, is a good sign. 🕊

God bless. Yall please keep on the good fight you have changed my mind on abortion. And through your videos i have changed many of my friends and families minds on abortion. It is crazy how many people are willing to over look such precious life and agree to sacrificing children in the name of my body my choice. we have let schools twist a child into a clump of cells a Mear parasite. Thanks for forcing me to open my eyes God bless yall

She's very inconsistent, "allow the mom to kill her baby" and "I don't agree with it." If you dont agree with it, why would you want to allow it?

This is the Important thing for Parents. To teach their children biblical Basics. Thou shalt Not Murder. Otherwise the world will. As a young person i was on the Only in special circumstances r## , incest, ect. But After raising 2 kids, I knew it was Human Life from day 1, and every stage after. Thats the Pro life stance, (Exceptions). There is No Exceptions on Murder of the Innocence.

If you were alive between 1973 and 2023 ....you survived the modern American Holocaust of the "undesirables". It was one person's choice that determined if you would live or die. Your VERY Blessed to be here.

She's a very nice young lady. She seems open minded on the subject and willing to have a discussion about it. Very soon she will be against abortion.

Dad, what is an example of oxymoron? Me: "Pro-abortion devout Christian".

How do I get involved? I see there's no groups in Western Wisconsin, I have time and energy and I want to help! I'm willing to sit down with any politician in the state anyone holding office, go to any school, or public event!

Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Romans 6:1

If we just stick to the terminology “ending an innocent life,” then all this semantic disagreement wouldn’t be an issue.

When she says, "that's how they used to do it," is she saying that should continue? I think the proper response would be, "that logically follows, I guess."

I never knew people could be more compassionate then God. For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

She's not the brightest crayon in the box is she?

Great interaction. She will go on to change her positions one day - AND impact others! Seeds planted will grow!

I think it’s interesting how in so many of these videos, the person trying to challenge just simply moves from one general sound bite to the next. So predictable.

@abolitionists rising. Please talk to Pastor Troy Brewer of Open Door Church in Burleson Texas about littles”hobbits” as he calls them that he and his ministry teams rescue from sex trafficking. They have snd do have 10, 11, 12 year old girls that get pregnant and HAVE their babies and LOVE them! He could tell you stories you wouldn’t believe. But you need a new response to the little girl who gets pregnant hypothetical. 👍

I'm so thankful for this ministry.

I think a lot of people are just claiming Christianity as a title, it's unfortunate because if they are Christians they should live the Christian values.

This should certainly be discussed in church. This is probably the first time she was able to discuss openly "as a Christian ". Thank you Russell for pastoring.

Fact. My mother was 13 years old, and I was adopted. No one talks about the father, who he is. I was born because in 1963, it was a crime to murder child in womb.

I love how his demeanor and presentations of the arguments totally depends on the other person. His tone and presentation is spot on. Well done! Love the channel and the message.

Any Christ centered man would never marry, and make this woman a mother. Imagine how she will treat you as an elderly spouse, past your prime and in need of a loving spouse.

Thank you Russel and AHA for being the ones to say this is evil and not good! As a women who knows the extreme depths of drapravity in this world I appreciate you. The fact that society is telling girls and women in an unstable state of mind that this is okay is disgusting and an even worse sin then those committing the murder

Wow! In the first 30 seconds I can tell she is nowhere near a devout Christian. She says she can’t forgive several things. I wonder if she’s ever heard “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” Her refusal to forgive others will be a detriment to her soul. It seems like her devotion is mostly to herself. 🤦‍♂️

God bless you and what you and your church do .

Matthew 7:21 (KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Being a pro choice Christian.. is a oxymoron...

You make great arguments. At the end of the day, they are stubborn. Mentally and spiritually stubborn.

Well done, Russell! Got to the point, and walked through the appropriation that the pro-abortion use. You pointed out the disconnect that is the carve-out for murder that is abortion.

I love it, devout Christian, who is pro abortion and talking half woke that is a contradiction in terms.

I really wish people would use these talking points: If someone kills a pregnant woman (and the baby dies), the killer is charged with 2 murders. If a woman gets an abortion, why isn't she charged with murder? Why is one ok, and the other isn't? Also, those same people are against the death penalty, but they have no problem killing an innocent child.

I love people who can have a calm conversation and yes show passion but still keeping it respectful

No way Christ would have anything to do with abortion

If only every discussion was that smooth.

I like this argument of not appropriating the 13-year-old girl's pain and I'm going to use it.

I wasn’t ready for my first son either it was time to grow up and take responsibility

The sickest part of this video is the reality of having to convince the 'Christian' woman that abortion is murder. The unbeliever is expected to think like the world but the Christian, if they are truly a Christian, shouldn't even have a second thought about it being wicked.

We need to teach this young woman the definition of the word “devout!”

If you're a young female who gets her period that means that biologically you are ready to give birth, it still should be looked down upon in our society because of the age restrictions, however, it does not mean she will die, giving birth is a biological process and natural.

Always fascinating to watch someone create new definitions for existing words.

Sickening that she is wearing a cross.

Hey, that was a good exchange. Almost no one is willing to flip their views right away, but hopefully they’ll give it some thought

I love what you all do. God bless

He made a great point. Making abortion safe is protecting the person who murders. Its a repercussion of not following the law and doing something immoral.

Saying you’re a devout Christian doesn’t make you one

Two new videos in one week…let’s go!!

Do people forget that you can only grow through struggle and hardships? You think spoiled rich kids ever learn anything being sheltered by their money? I’ll take the poor kid experience any day, builds character.

That's was a good convo💯

Pray for this girl

What i always find intetesting about these exchanges is how whenever you explicitly state the logical implication of their beliefs (if we can kill unborn children because they may end up impoverished or abused, then do you think we should extend that principle to living people?) They always deflect. Notice how when approached with this moral quandary, instead of addressing it, she simply says "well thats what they used to do." An utterly cowardly, vapid non-answer.

This girl makes me so sad bc I've been there- not on abortion, but in the "I'm a Christian but I don't like people and the less of them the better" stance. She's just so intellectually dishonest and it's good to confront her.

Thank you for more than just a 45 second short!

More like a devout hypocrite.

Then: She uses the word “fun” as in a “fun” way of describing abortion…I.e.: “hunting” instead of “murder”. Then: She stops listening. She fidgets. Checks her phone. Looks around her. SHE MUST ESCAPE!, she is obviously thinking. I have no more arguments, she thinks some more. I simply cannot listen anymore. I am losing.

And 4 minutes in, condoning genocide lol

How is her audio so clear?

She’s a walking oxymoron

A mom can get arrested and get her child taken away if she's willingly using drugs while pregnant. Now get that one right how's that logic make sense

No Christian is pro-choice.

She was at least polite and courteous, think she will ponder the conversation and change her mind

feminism did a number on this one

Changing Hearts and Minds man! Preach it!

Where there is life, there is hope. "Even this BS beats dead" Sadie Adler.

God bless you guys. Love the content.

But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Mathew 6:15

You guys need to come to the Iowa state fair this year, that would be epic!! I would hang out with you guys lol

"i think its murder but the word is so harsh for simply killing babies... " that's basically what she's saying c'mon man you dont believe this. Killing defenseless babies is EVIL.

Note: Thumbnail looks like Clayton Kershaw of the LA Dodgers and, I can't lie, is 98.3% of the reason I clicked on this video :) I'll compromise and add to "Watch Later".

If you do not forgive people who sin against you then you are NOT a child of God. Jesus tought us to forgive those who sin against us if we ask forgiveness for our own sins.