PRO TOOLS OR LOGIC PRO? | WHICH IS BETTER? 

I think you're trying to use pro tools in the wrong way for the wrong things. Producers who use PT normally have a totally different workflow.

LG: you want to record a live session with plugins on? Sure it will flow smoothly. PT: you wan to track 1 thing with no plugins? You will get an random CPU overload and you’ll never figure out why. LG: third party plugin made the session crash? So you want to load the session how you first opened it or do you want to open the auto save we did right before crashing? PT:third party plugin causes a crash? Everything you did for the past 30 minutes is lost it was probably trash anyways. LG: oh you purchased logic great it will open right away not problems at all. PT: you bought pro tools? Here comes an iLok notification that tells you to authorize your use of this software and it’s going to take at least 5 minutes LG: you want to export only an MP3 sure no problem. PT: you want to export only an MP3 nope here’s a wav file that needs to come with it. LG: you want to write in midi information? Sure it’s modern looking and very easy to do so. PT: you want to write in midi information? We have the same piano roll we did since pro tools was created and it’s very hard to use. LG: you want to update? Sure no problem. PT: you want to update? You’ll need to buy the subscription first even though you bought our overpriced software outright.

@@tomywidacol Doesn't change the fact that logic is an absolute nightmare to do anything other than basic midi stuff in. I switched from logic to PT years ago.

@@gagadeconstructed8748 nah I’ve done everything else in logic from tracking full bands live to mixing editing and mastering and never had issues with it. It must be an updated version. Pro tools had the same issues since pro tools 9 never fixed the issues

@@tomywidacol If that's your preference then cool. But I had to ditch logic long ago. It's so unintuitive for everything audio. It feels like a free online app now.

Hey man I use Logic Pro X too, but you really should learn why Pro Tools is also a industry standard DAW.

@@AlbertKimMusic Yes, definitely. I still have projects in Pro Tools. It's what my engineer uses in his studio so I need to use it as well. I just found Logic to be so user friendly. It's been so easy to learn. But you're right, both are great DAWs.

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Glad it helped!

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Thank you, good luck! I love logic.

walthaus Haha how great are those moments? Slight panic attacks always happening, part of the experience I suppose. Do you stick to pro tools or roll between the two?

@@AndrewMasters ProTools in my day job (audio postproduction) , Logic8 at home because it was cheap and worked with 3rd party interfaces when I bought it, protools didn't back then.

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200 with FREE updates for over 10 years now. Take that Pro Tools, Ableton, Cubase.

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks!

I would like to know that to myself too! And if using both (Logic to compose and PT for mix) is really practical and convenient.

Solid set up my friend.

@@AndrewMasters Hey thanks bud, liked and subscribed!

I personally take it back to pro tools

From what I understand Logic uses audio unit plug-ins.

yes you can

My understanding also is that both Logic and Garageband use AU (audio units) and not the VST format plugins. This is probably one of the factors that will see me continuing to use Reaper as I acclimate to using a Mac, as being able to open a project in both Mac and in Windows is something I may take advantage of when going between my Macbook Pro and Windows PC. I have also been unable to get Garageband to work after trying to install it after installing Reaper on my Mac, always giving the message that 'Garageband quit unexpectedly' every time I try to load it even after multiple re-installs of it, which gives me no confidence Logic Pro X would even work, though I'm not sure if the problem is that one is unable to have both Reaper and Garageband installed or what the problem is, probably leaving little choice but to completely reinstall Mojave; but, apologies for that being a matter beyond the scope of this thread...

Logic IMHO leaves Protools for dead when it comes to midi editing whilst Protools leaves Logic for dead when it comes to audio editing.

which is better

No

it's pro tools first bro, lack of plugins

@@slveindabeat limited to 16 tracks and 4 inputs...trash

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Not a bad recommendation

Probably a 15-35 f4

Presonus Studio One is the unofficial PC version.

I've never used fl studio, but from what I understand it can be a great tool for music production. Ableton is amazing as well.

Ableton is great to come up with ideas. I use logic, ableton and reason. They all have their strenghts.

Three lamps. IKEA. One in the middle and two lamps on side tables.

No difference!

@@AndrewMasters cool. Thanks

hands down means without question. People who care about results don't care about peoples opinions that don't question things. Industry standard, yes. the best HANDS DOWN? not by a long shot, at all. People question this all the time. this has been a debate since I was at Berklee in 2006 between professors AND students. its NEVER been a HANDS DOWN the REAL world. but a lot of engineers that have clout learned on protools, so I can see how this can become the narrative, but its not actuality in real life.

@@lord-kingkassanova-vii7401 excuse me ? I’m talking about real world . This is my 18th year in the industry . I will give you one example , pro tools you can work with multiple video files , Logic Pro you can’t do that.

You can build hackintosh, I think you can start with reaper with logic theme

Cubase got rock solid logic into it and rock solid stability. Integrated way of linear and non linear montages are god blessed things, so cubase all the way

Lmao that was my first Daw. For open source its legit af. Highly recommend it for sure.

Ugh

Learn how to structure a sentence, God Damn!

@@GraffHabit How rude you are egg roll, you hear that written loud and clear.......

Yeah back in these older videos, I didn’t understand the audio processing within final cut. A big reason I switched to premiere pro for my videos was to be able to use my plug ins to get more consistent output. This has mostly been solved in the past 4 months.

We improve on things all the time right?

For me it's the Pro Tools edit tool . They call it "smart tool". With just T, R and the smart tool I can do about a million things in Pro Tools. If you need to Slip just click on Slip. If you need to snap to grid, well... It's a master class in minimalism design. Do a lot with very little. The other thing that I've noticed is that Pro Tools handles chopping up audio a little more gracefully. Logic tends to still suffer from pops and clicks on more clips that you've chopped up and haven't introduced fades at the point of cutting. This, in my experience, has resulted in less work (I don't have to put a fade on every clip I've cut). This may not matter to you but it's a big deal to me. If you have a gazillion audio clips this results in real/appreciable time savings. As far as Midi and some of the routing I'd say Logic has the edge although when it comes to interfacing that edge is lost a little bit. On the piano roll Pro Tools once again is just simply better. Double click to add a note and then region trip. I never ever have to swap between different tools (cut, select, etc etc). It's all just T and R and the mouse. Usually single or double clicks. Logic's marque tool is just more clumsy in that more input is requirement from you. Logic will do pretty much everything Pro Tools will do really but how they each do what they do still matters. A couple of tools on the Pro Tools side are just so elegant that at this point noone should try to outdo them. Just flat out copy it. Avid is obviously shit and I'd love to get away from them but no daw has the edit tool like Pro Tools and until that happens I'm kind of stuck. Studio One is actually closest and there is a bunch of shit I like in Logic that I think is better implemented than in Pro Tools but the edit tool keeps me from jumping ship. Hope that helps.

@@Screaming-Trees ur saying if I need to redo a vocal part, and I re record it, it will audibly click after its edited together? Im about to buy a daw and am also confused because I only hear contradicting information and it always seems like more of a personal choice than anything. IS either easier with songs that change tempo? IV thought bout using drummer software and idk how that works if I want to write to the tempo of the guitar. I want to write to a natural flow.

@@heythere6983 Comping takes should work ok, in that sense anyway, on any daw. There are other considerations with comping however (i.e. each daw implements this in its own way). But you're not going to be just comping vocal takes. Pro Tools is a master class in minimalist design that no one has bothered to copy yet; or even learn from for that matter. IT's all about minimum input, from the user, with maximum payoff (output). If you want to do a fade in Logic you have to first select a secondary tool then you have to perform a coordinated hand movement (shift plus mouse click) to use the tool. That coordinated hand movement costs you time and attention and in my view this kind of shit is what kills creativity/productivity in aggregate. You do a thousand of those and you might have lost an extra 2 or 5 or whatever hours. To get back to the point about you not just doing comp takes. Whenever you edit audio you'll be doing things like resizing regions to strip silence (especially if you have microphones running in which case you'll be highlighting silent regions and deleting them) and you might be moving regions around, introducing fades/cross-fades and a few other things. This type of activity is majority of your time. In Logic, and others, this type of thing requires two hands to coordinate for the most part. In Pro Tools the two hands don't need to coordinate. There are not shift + type commands that you need to worry about. You'll be using T and R independently with your left hand to zoom in/out and then your mouse to do the rest (introduce a fade or delete parts of the region etc). Now if you have to edit a hundred tracks just this alone will save you hours. Then there's the audio handling part. On a hundred tracks you'll do a thousand different edit related things (audio regions getting trimmed/chopped/spliced together/fades etc etc). When you do this in Pro Tools you'll need say a hundred fades. On others you'll need three hundred or five hundred because for whatever reason they just don't handle audio as gracefully. When you have to introduce two fold or three fold's worth of fades that's time. Maybe you have that kind of time I don't know. But it's time. And I could never get Logic to be graceful when it comes to this. That plus no coordinated hand movements is what keeps me locked to Pro Tools. Whether the daws sound the same or not well again I think Pro Tools tends to be more graceful here. But you'll have to do your own testing. Setup the two daws and record the same thing across them to see how it sounds. The subjectivity argument about DAWs is valid but there are definitely quantifiable differences (i.e. no coordinated hand movement required; and that's a huge deal). There are some niceties in Logic though. The DAW carries some water for you when it comes to routing setup whereas on Pro Tools you'll need to do that manually. Want to implement a send on a track? Well in Logic as soon as you toggle send on the channel strip it sets up the routing for you. On Pro Tools you'll need to create an Aux track and set the correct input (so bus 1/2 for example if it's a stereo aux). Then on the channel strip you point your send to bus 1/2 and voila it all works. Bit more work than Logic but can setup templates for this kind of thing I guess. Bottom line though if you work in audio mainly Pro Tools is simply unmatched with it comes to both sound and ergonomics. And that's entirely due to minimalist design.

@@Screaming-Trees I really really appreciate the specific quick answer. The great thing about an answer like that is I can specifically research things like I did when you mentioned the clicking when editing. I searched and saw some videos of people editing on pro tools, fading in and crossfading to remove clicks and it seemed simple enough. I have to research their beat detective more though cuz im not quite sure I totally got it, as some people just use it but dont explain. I also saw some logic fading videos to compare. I saw this one, found it pretty neat of a feature, check it out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nLzwbwsXpVE.html He fades a ton of tracks together at the editing point at once. However in one of the protools videos I saw I did see sometimes the fade needs to be slightly adjusted because it will still sound off and when they re position the fade it blended fine. So with fading many tracks on logic I assume you still have to double check and make sure. Although I was surprised that you could fade, have an issue, and just move the fad and all of a sudden it blends perfectly, I wonder if there is ever a time where a cross fade just wont work at all? I also saw logic has a feature where you dont record to a click but rather it establishes tempo to your playing with "smart tempo" and fits other tracks to that tempo, that sounds good. I wonder how well that works with multiple tempos in a song though , if it works by sections. I do tempo changes sometimes and want to use superior drummer or Steven slate drums and have to figure out how I could arrange drums into those kinds of situations. Did you ever find to be true the idea that somehow pro tools tracks sound better than logic? Some people swear the DAWs have their own slight coloration. IDK how much I buy it lol. Thanks for your response again. Im gonna spend tomorrow watching editing videos and get a good gauge of the variants. If there are any other advantages you feel pro tool has let me know, ill keep trying to watch all I can.

@@heythere6983 Yeah no worries. Anytime :). So with fades you won't need one at every cut point. That is what's so great about Pro Tools in that you'll need to worry less, comparatively, about fades because you'll need fewer of them. Batch fades I mean it sounds like a nice feature in theory but you can't leave something like fades to a batch tool (that will operate on a large number of tracks at once). Just like you can't leave silence strip to a tool. Any kind of programmatic interference here has the potential to alter the sound of your mix. I would stay clear of batch fades tools but that's me. With Pro Tools just use the smart tool and hover over the top corner end/start point of a region and fade away (with a mouse). It's more of a broader workflow issue anyway. You should be cleaning up your session as your record not waiting for post. And in that way you would never need a batch tool. Fades are one of those things that need to be taken care of as you're recording. As far as sound in my experience that's a yes. I couldn't get Logic to, on the first playback with no processing at all, to sound as smooth as Pro Tools. You'll have to do your own testing here though. That said with some work you'll probably get them all to a point where you have parity. A mate of mine has studied this very issue at uni and alleges there is a paper available that concludes they all sound different. I could ask him if the paper is available for public consumption if you like? From my own experience playback after record in Pro Tools sounds best to me. However anecdotal. The thing with these qualitative evaluations is it requires a lot of ear training. Most people don't bother with that. To make matters worse they listen on crappy speakers/monitors that are fed with crappy DA converters. Not only can you not sharpen your ears this way you tend to also absorb whatever the consensus of the times happens to be. Developing a critical ear takes a few years and some tools (As well as the right kind of theory/doctrine and experience). One of the best investments I've made was speakers and DA. Not as sexy as instruments and something like a Neumann u47 but it changed my world completely for the better. The biggest advantage Pro Tools has is sheer simplicity due to the minimalist design principles approach. And I don't know how they managed the audio handling to end up with such a smooth result with minimal effort. Less is more. Fewer features is also better ultimately. If you're working Superior Drummer you probably don't need Beat Detective since you'll be working in midi. Unless you route midi to an audio track and commit to audio right away but even then the original track will be in Midi so no need to worry about the Beat Detective.

Yeah this is an oldie. Check out the newer ones for better everything.

Nah logic automation is horrible. Logic lacks pro tools' precision on every level.

Exactly!

Wat.

It is not. Depending on the “tier” or system of pro tools you want, the buy outright price is more than double the price of logic (with no discount).

Andrew Masters.. thanks! Are you one of the Soundguys? Can you recommend a closed monitoring headphone good value but excellent sound/bass/accuracy?

For what purpose will you be using the headphones?

Andrew Masters, for home recording

I like and use the AT M50x headphones

Why?

@@senseii562 Because it's just better lolllll

Note to self: Please don't post while drunk

Yeah these first videos I did were fails.

@@AndrewMasters I'm sorry Man. i feel bad. I didn't mean to be so harsh. Your doing better than me. I haven't uploaded for over a year.

I mean you’re not wrong, the audio workflow in final cut is not great. It has certainly gotten better using premiere as they have a mixer.

@@AndrewMasters Maybe you can answer a question for me. I'm going through the Premier vs Final cut battle myself. One thing that has me flustered. I use Logic but ditched to premier and After effects so I can have the dynamic link between them...But One thing I like about Final Cut is that you can open your audio in Logic Pro X almost automatically....Trying to figure out if Premier will let me send to Logic via AAF export.

I haven’t tried that, I also have never been able to get the xml to open up properly in logic which is why the audio situation is so annoying in fpx. It always skips sound effects and music. Premiere pro for me just is much simpler and faster plus I don’t have to leave the software to mix the audio which is another time saver for me.

Yeah I think this was one of the first videos I did, I had no clue how to properly measure audio in fcpx. 91 videos later I’ve gotten the hang of it.

@@AndrewMasters all good man,very informative cheers

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Been not making real points for a long time. Not gonna start now.