Problems with K2 Black Panther

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K2 Black Panther is considered by many as the best, or one of the best Main Battle Tanks in the world, often compared to Russian T-14 Armata. But just like every other tank, it has problems, some really big problems.

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@RedEffectChannel 3 года назад

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@marcusmaduro8891 3 года назад

Thank you Joe

@lutin_mi06 3 года назад

@@marcusmaduro8891 who is joe

@re57k 3 года назад

@@lutin_mi06 joe bidome

@davideb.4290 3 года назад

would you give a look to the italian B2 Centauro? I know it's not an MBT but you also gave a look to the north korean striker so...

@jiesther7585 3 года назад

vid 44 min ago, comment 22 hours ago???

@utaMAN12345 3 года назад

Problem with K2? The ammo can't pierce Kim Jong Un thicc armor

@joshpatrickgo559 3 года назад

lmaoo ikr hahahahaha

@aggressivehedgehog8439 3 года назад

But his comfort women can

@cristobalalvarez5491 3 года назад

Pretty sure it can

@sannidhyabalkote9536 3 года назад

@@aggressivehedgehog8439 damn

@mr.laughington5740 3 года назад

But Kim can't fit inside his tank neither

@TheTeKuZa 3 года назад

If it can beat Arjun, then it has no problem.

@saintriley6702 3 года назад

This is the true modern standard

@pengliu2087 3 года назад

Arjun is invincible, what are you talking about?

@utaMAN12345 3 года назад

A hilux with ATGM can even beat Arjun

@gokulkannan1845 3 года назад

Arjun had gone through major upgrades recently and the army is in the decision to order Arjun. With new sabot projectile being designed by oshcrop. And the camera sight is also re-enforced!-source aero India 2019 (Indian army is not dumb to order or even test a tank with major armour weakness know that first) www.timesnownews.com/india/article/army-yet-to-approve-upgraded-arjun-mark-1a-all-you-need-to-know-about-indias-most-powerful-desi-tank/694232

@wonkagaming8750 3 года назад

@@gokulkannan1845 ah yes the mk2 apfsds with 500mm of pen

@Tankbuster0524 3 года назад

Regarding the side armour; the K2 was primarily designed for combat within the extremely mountainous and hilly terrain of the Korean Peninsula. Whilst side armour is an important factor for tanks, it is greatly less so for Eastern Asian vehicles, another example being the Type 10, which also does not have significant side nor top armour despite being classified as a 5th gen. vehicle. Furthermore, with relation to the cannon, it is to be noted that the mount was designed with the purpose of upgrading the cannon to 140mm standard that was being developed by Rheinmentall at the time when needed, with very few modifications, hence there being no need for a minor gun upgrade as of now.

@luket1085 3 года назад

While when it's time to battle inside pyongyang...

@EcchiRevenge 3 года назад

@@luket1085 They'll just call america to bomb pyongyang flat again.

@luket1085 3 года назад

@@EcchiRevenge and it will still be a repeat of Stalingrad or Grozny

@EcchiRevenge 3 года назад

@@luket1085 Good, they deserve it.

@nyuraki_industries 3 года назад

I want some of what you're smoking

@thescoobs3513 3 года назад

“No purchase necessary!” *laughs in microtransactions*

@thephoenix6673 3 года назад

we're talking about war thunder here, as a f2p player I don't feel those who pay have any advantages against f2p players in battle, in this game skill is what matters.

@Buttlicker-xd6ct 3 года назад

@@thephoenix6673 *laughs in harrier gr1*

@thephoenix6673 3 года назад

@@Buttlicker-xd6ct like Ka-50 when it was first introduced, it'll be balanced eventually, always happens in top tier.

@Buttlicker-xd6ct 3 года назад

@@thephoenix6673 there will always be p2w vehicles

@jamegumb7298 3 года назад

€75 for premium package. "Micro"transaction.

@edwardkim8972 3 года назад

RedEffect, I wrote an article about the K2 in National Interest magazine and the War is Boring blog. You probably read my article. Anyways, the reason why many tanks have strong side armor is to protect them against attacks on the flank. This is more of an issue in fighting around open country and in urban warfare. It's pretty clear that the Koreans made some engineering choices and compromises given their unique circumstances. Korea is mountainous and thus fighting in open country is going to be very rare. So, a choice was made to make the front very strong but the sides rather weak. This is because Koreans know where the tanks will be coming from and can just have tanks ready to encounter the attacker, thus frontal protection with this tactic in mind was key. For example, the active and modular suspension can make it kneel in a trench and lower the target profile of its hull and turret in a "hull down" position inside a prepared tank entrenchment. Given Korea's mountainous terrain a high power to weight ratio was important, so tonnage was to be kept to a minimum. At barely 55 tons, this is probably one of the lighter modern main battle tanks of Western aligned countries, excluding the Japanese Type 10 (which has even less armor, sacrificed for mobility as Japanese roads are not designed for vehicles much heavier than 40 tons). However, it doesn't make sacrifices in terms of fire power, mobility and frontal protection. It is actually more mobile than most other modern Western aligned MBTs, having a much higher power-to-weight ratio than the Leo2A6, M1A2, Challenger 2, etc. Again, the Koreans need to move this thing up and down hills and mountains as quickly as possible. The key to the K2's lower curb weight but not many compromises on anything else is the autoloader. One thing the Koreans learned from having 40 T-80Us is that the autoloader provides numerous advantages. Having an autoloader can make a tank smaller. A human loader needs to stand up to do his job. He also needs room to swing ammunition from the ammo storage to the gun's breech. That cascades into numerous design compromises. For example, tanks with a human loader are generally taller, longer and heavier. The Koreans tend to do this a lot. Take numerous design elements and make hybrid solutions. Their main infantry assault rifle, for example, has been called an AK piston married with an M-16 chamber and an FN style body. Now, why does the K2 that's being offered to Poland different? Well, the terrain of Poland is totally different than Korea's. Poland is much flatter, first of all, and a more mobile style of warfare can be practice in Poland. Hence, greater side armor is necessary. In terms of the APS, or active protection system, it was found that quite a few modifications of the original K2 need to be done in order to incorporate the native APS. So, for budgetary reasons this isn't being incorporated into the existing fleet of K2s, at least not right now. But since the Polish tank, if it is ordered and manufactured, will incorporate the APS from the very beginning, incorporating it will be much cheaper. Regarding your comment that the gun is now a bit underpowered, underpowered vs. who? Active and in service tanks in both the West and the East are L55 120mm (Leo2A6 and M1A2) and 125mm for Russian and Chinese tanks. However, the K2 can sport a larger gun. It was actually designed, from the ground up, to be able to use the experimental Rheinmetall 140mm gun. I believe the Leo2A7 will have a 135mm gun, which can be fitted into the K2 as well, if they decide to do so. Now, with a bigger gun the number of rounds a tank can store inside will go down somewhat. So, bear that in mind. It's all a compromise at the end of the day. Lastly, it's too bad your first video on the K2 is so nitpicky instead of focusing on both pluses and minuses. Perhaps you were having a bad day, I don't know. The design of every tank one must put geography and the enemy it will encounter into consideration and I don't think you did that. Perhaps you can put out another video of the K2 that will be fairer. Cheers!

@goforbroke4428 3 года назад

Edward Kim problem with the K2 is how sophisticated it is. It will definitely fare worse in a high attrition low supply environment than the K1 or the M1 abrams of American troops that would be fighting in Korea in the event of renewed hostilities. Sure it may be a good tank in perfect situations, plus the auto loader also has a down side. An auto loader malfunction just means longer loading than loading in a tank with manual reloading.

@edwardkim8972 3 года назад

@@goforbroke4428 Uh... the M1 is the worst logistical hog as it burns way more fuel than a diesel engine. It's the M1 that needs a better supply environment. Also, you talk about the disadvantages of an autoloader, but what about the advantages? The advantages are many... including smaller size and weight. The K2 is 10 tons lighter than the M1A2 and the Leo2A6, has one road wheel less and is nearly 2 feet shorter. NATO tanks with manual loader needs height for a standing human loader, thus higher profile. Reliability? Highly reliable as it uses the bustle autoloader, not the carousel auto loader of Soviet/Russian tanks. The French and Japanese also use the bustle autoloader.

@goforbroke4428 3 года назад

@@edwardkim8972 I am well aware of the abrams disadvantage in that it has a turbine engine, which is a jet fuel burning bitch. But there comes a point where too much technology in a piece of equipment is detrimental, the ROK army won’t be fighting just the North Koreans. As soon as the PLA gets involved in hostilities on the Korean Peninsula, the advantages of the K2 will diminish due to almost guaranteed attrition. From what I have seen, the K2 is not suitable to be mass produced. Also, the suspension that can change the way the tank sits is a disadvantage in itself, from what I have heard those types of suspension can be very finicky and not as easy to maintain as a conventional torsion bar suspension system such as what the abrams and other western tanks possess. I never made the position that the abrams is great logistically either, it’s an over engineered overcomplicated piece of computerized trash. The k1 is still an excellent tank, and possesses what is needed to fight in a mechanized operation in Korea. The k2 is just too much, especially when most of the ROK army is leg infantry with quite a few units possessing outdated equipment.

@edwardkim8972 3 года назад

@@goforbroke4428 uh... the South Korean K1 has the same suspension too? And the South Koreans have over 2k K1s? It's not hard to maintain. The K2 is kinda made for the export market. 70% of the components for the K1 are imported thus South Korea cannot export it. With the exception of the transmission, most major components of the K2 are domestically produced. Once the transmission is figured out, no export restrictions on the K2. Oh, and the strategy is to have the K1 do most of the fighting if it's the North Koreans. The K1s aren't going anywhere.

@goforbroke4428 3 года назад

@@edwardkim8972 I am aware of the K1 having the same suspension, but it is simpler in design as a whole. That’s my point, an older simpler tank is still a good one. And large numbers of them is even better. The ROK army is a large army, and it could hold its own in a war against the North Koreans and maybe even the Chinese.

@TheNinjaMarmot 3 года назад

Thing is. These tanks and their excellent ifv's are overkill against North Korean armoured

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

My cousin serves in the Korean armed forces, he says it's a blast when these things blast by. I'm kinda jealous of him sometimes

@user-ss1sm9fl2h 3 года назад

They're easy target for infantry/guerrillas because of the many weak spots in the armor. Besides, the new formidable NK armor presented at the recently held parade leaves nothing to be desired, being perfectly able to knock out K2BP from afar.

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

@@user-ss1sm9fl2h lol, you know the north Korean armed forces are decades behind, right? The K2 in its current Form exists because there is no need to upgrade it further, because there is no reason for it. Korea has one enemy, that's the north, which is far from a real threat with its armed forces. The only thing that makes North Korea a threat are nuclear weapons and fanatics. The Korean Air force is superior, the navy and the ground forces too.

@EmperorEdu 3 года назад

@@user-ss1sm9fl2h "formidable" LMAO

@halzan7467 3 года назад

@@user-ss1sm9fl2h FORMIDABLE NK ARMOR! Ahaha ok, well tbf you are right about the guerrilla warfare because NK received some newer AT systems from China and Russia but also the only thing formidable about the NK tanks is the fact they have lots of ERA on their tanks which im assuming is to stop Korean F-15s from taking out multiple tank columns

@ruizegu5974 3 года назад

4:14 did the smoke gernade just fail?

@c0br4-themoon3 3 года назад

Yes xd

@Bakotcha 3 года назад

Damn

@TheTeKuZa 3 года назад

Yeah

@eliadbu 3 года назад

dud, things like that happen in real life.

@danielpark7821 3 года назад

If this was Arjun defender he would say it was a “tactically delayed fuse module” working the way it should.

@Kieran84ire 3 года назад

Needs a RCWS. No need to expose tank crew to fire the MG then. That’s important as the Tank has just 3 crew.

@randombosniak8986 3 года назад

K2 PL also solved that problem, Altay also has RCWS, so I don't think it's any problem for Korea, but they seem not to care.

@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041 3 года назад

CROWS only needed when fighting in urban area. In the field, you don't really need it.

@anonbob3742 3 года назад

Having RCWS restricts the vision of the crew, making them rely on sensors and optics, which is good, but become problematic when the system is broken or damaged. The open top machine gun allows for more awareness for the crew, which would allow the tank to engage better. Plus, the argument that the RCWS leaves the crew safer is not a good argument, since modern tank warfare usually takes place in long ranges the RCWS will not protect its crew against tank shells and missles. The m1a2 and the challenger still uses open top machine guns, but I do think adding a shield would be better.

@yhk9474 2 года назад

@@randombosniak8986 they have plan to add RCWS later.

@arya31ful 3 года назад

Main Problem : They don't have speakers blasting Kpop 24/7.

@someboi4535 3 года назад

But kpop will cause cancer for the tank's crew before anyone else

@arya31ful 3 года назад

@@someboi4535A mandatory plastic surgery would make them immune to that effect.

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

Not every Korean likes Kpop lol

@arya31ful 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma Yeah, some likes Kim Jong Un more.

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

@Kaiser because people in the west love crap, that's why for example Hollywood is still in business and Hip-Hop popular

@Mokmaheim 3 года назад

The problem pointed out in the video above is a common problem for all tanks around the world... the side armor and the top armor are weak in defense of any vehicle...

@xAlexTobiasxB Год назад

No, that's not true at all. Some tanks actually have very thick side armor with extra additional add-on armor protection for enhanced side protection For example Abrams TUSK and British Challenger 2 (it has one of the best side protection) but also some Leopard 2 variants (Leopard Revolution used in Indonesia and SIngapore) And also the French Leclerc AZUR variant. Even the Russian T72, T80 and T90 have much thicker armor on the sides on turret and hull. So it is possible to give tanks a little bit better side protection, which shows how vulnerable the K2 really is, and that is a very big problem.

@annonE22 8 месяцев назад

@@xAlexTobiasxBAbrams TUSK is an improvement kit aimed at street warfare in the Middle East. In open areas and urban areas, the side is relatively likely to be exposed to the enemy, so reactive armors have been added to the side. On the other hand, since K2 assumed and designed for combat in mountainous areas, and North Korea is weak on detection, it is less likely to expose sides to enemies. Therefore, K2 chose mobility while lowering the weight to 55 tons.

@xAlexTobiasxB 8 месяцев назад

@@annonE22 The sides (and rear, roof, bottom) of a tank are always at risk to be exposed to the enemy, doesn't matter what terrain or environment. So that's not an excuse. The front of the tank only makes 10% of the tanks surface area, the remaining 90% are literally vulnerable at all times. Only APS active protection system) can provide reliable defence against missiles and RPGs, and even then it's still vulnerable to drones, mines and artillery...

@annonE22 8 месяцев назад

@@xAlexTobiasxB Thank you for sharing additional insights about the K-2 tank. It's true that side protection can be a challenge, and during the K-2's development, weight restrictions may have limited some aspects of its armor. However, South Korea's military strength, including a substantial infantry force, can provide crucial support and cover for the tanks. This synergy between mechanized infantry and tanks can enhance their overall safety. The Leclerc Azur and M1A1 TUSK mentioned above are upgraded kits, and they are not appropriate to be compared with K-2. It's essential to note that South Korea's ongoing state of war can result in a higher level of secrecy and potential advancements in their tank technology, including the K-2. The K-2 is relatively new tank so there are lots of potentials of improvements, including the ongoing development of Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) and the availability of Active Protection Systems (APS), which, while developed and manufactured, might not be installed yet due to concerns about nearby infantry. I understand that your intention was to provide more accurate information, and I appreciate that. Im sorry if my reply offended you. (written by translator so there might be something wrong. sorry!)

@quakethedoombringer 3 года назад

Considering how mediocre NK's tank armor or other protective measures are, it is safe to say that SK's tank cannon will work regardless. The downside is that said cannon, regardless of the upgrades, may not be able to penetrate Kim's thicc armor layer

@MrMattumbo 3 года назад

Glorious leader will use his chubby belly to shield all Glorious Korean People from the shells of the evil imperialists! Dear Leader's love for his people is only surpassed by the effective armor THICCness of his belly rolls! -North Korean State TV in the near future.

@TheShrecker 3 года назад

I mean you are very, very fond of adding ERA everywhere

@92HazelMocha 3 года назад

It’s a cheap and easy solution, especially ERA that can degrade sabots. Redesigning turrets and hulls and or creating composite armor packages are expensive and time intensive tasks, slapping on some era bricks is cheap and easy and generally pretty effective.

@matovicmmilan 3 года назад

@@92HazelMocha Constructing an effective ERA isn't easy at all and you still have to have really good composite armor below the ERA.

@92HazelMocha 3 года назад

@@matovicmmilan That’s definitely true, but it’s easier to add on era than it is to construct a new tank entirely.

@matovicmmilan 3 года назад

@@92HazelMocha That decision is the hardest and even the countries with a strong heavy industry do it every 30 or so years! I also like the option of modular composites that could in time be changed with the more advanced ones but that's not easy especially within the turret.

@joonlee0001 2 года назад

yes this guy must have ERA attached on his bedroom door

@1nielsemo1 11 месяцев назад

K2 have developed its own powerpack a little over year ago. The old issues mentioned here, yes, it's an old issues now lives in the past.

@lutin_mi06 3 года назад

Last time i was here the m84 was still good for modern warfare

@snuppssynthchannel 2 года назад

Still probably the most flexible and well rounded tank on earth right now, at least the best platform due to its modularity and smart compartmentalization/weight distribution, its a Tank that will likely age really well. Even Norway is considering replacing our Leopard 2 tanks with these tanks, it would be perfect for Norway due to our many hills and mountainous terrain. Its like a hybrid between everything that is great about the Abrams, Leopard 2, Type 10 and Leclerc.

@Whitepandemic 3 года назад

just like all tanks, i think these kinds of issuses would be fixed in time, thankfully there is no real rush

@jesusofbullets 3 года назад

Oh you sweet summer child, if only you knew what was gonna happen in the next 5 years...

@pislarustefan5009 3 года назад

@@jesusofbullets do you know? Oh mighty prophet

@dannyzero692 2 дня назад

@@pislarustefan5009he’s right🥲

@m1a1abrams3 3 года назад

i remember before he died, ppl was makin memes callin him *crack* panther

@triatheraider1612 3 года назад

Who died?

@DustDevilJones 3 года назад

Lol

@m1a1abrams3 3 года назад

did u not read my comment? *he*

@triatheraider1612 3 года назад

@@m1a1abrams3 mmm still don't know

@ironman8257 3 года назад

@@triatheraider1612 pink floid

@youcantata 2 года назад

They did develop hard kill active protection system, but put off its adoption for two reason. 1) Hard kill detonation can hurt infantry soldiers near by. 2) Current hard kill technology is not yet good enough or mature enough for general adoption, so waiting for new technology to mature. On regarding some lacking armor spots, they does not rely solely on heavy armor for survival. They prefer lighter weight for agility and mountain climbing capability. Other features they prefer are lower profile for low observability and good sight and fire control with sophisticated electronics and sensors. It is mix of Western tank doctrine and Russian doctrine. Some says it is Russian tank made with Western technology.

@xAlexTobiasxB Год назад

That's nonsnse and bad excuses. We have already been on the moon. Israel is using APS since 2012 very effectively on the Merkava tank. The technology is more than mature enough.

@JohnLee-db9zt 6 месяцев назад

Says the anime fan😂

@ConstantineJoseph 3 года назад

All modern MBT's side protection are inadequate. Also the K2 is designed to be able to take on multiple tanks in a hull down concealed position. She was designed to be specifically a mobile defensive tank that can accurately engage at long distances being able to hull down and shoot an scoot. The days of Fulda gap style tank bum rush is over. The North Koreans can try that but ATGMs, helos, air strikes and well emplaced tanks with highly accurate precision fire and almost 100 % one shot one kill/immobilization/neutralization means that even a large division or divisions of tanks can be decimated with some ease.

@Kameeho 3 года назад

Here are some added intrigue. Norway recently settled on their 8 year plan Military budget. And on the top of the budget as the most urgent is new MBT and armored vehicles. They are currently doing a evaluation between the Leopard 2A7 vs K2 Black Panther. They have recently aquired the K9 Thunder Mobile Artillery from south korea aswell as a big military Support vessel for the navy KNM Maud. You also forgot to mention the K2 exclusive ammo, that should compensate the guns lack of firepower. The Smart Top Attack Munition. Which penetrates a tanks top armor, and few if not no tank has a significant amount of top armor. Now if the K2 Black Panther is chosen as the new Norwegian MBT. Then definatly there is more to it than on what public gets to know. (Which obviously there is, alot of info is classified, having served and worked with alot of classified military information. One cant really take account armor thiccness alone. But also its composition and design And it be interesting to see the Norwegian version of the K2.

@capacsis 2 года назад

No one buys K2.

@radonsider9692 2 года назад

@@capacsis well, Turkey did by licensing Altay. Altay is a heavily modified (probably up-armored) version of the K-2

@Kevin-fj5oe 2 года назад

K2 could use 120mm NATO shell, depends on the user i guess.

@jpjones5880 2 года назад

@@capacsis Poland just announced 250 k2 purchase

@mr.laughington5740 3 года назад

South Korean military: *WRITE THAT DOWN!!!*

@randombosniak8986 3 года назад

Write what down? You think they don't know about their transmission problem?

@mr.laughington5740 3 года назад

@@randombosniak8986 based on the video, its obvious

@coreysuh6502 3 года назад

@@mr.laughington5740 It's obvious what?

@mr.laughington5740 3 года назад

@@coreysuh6502 did you watch the video?

@mogensrasmusmogensen6992 3 года назад

Who do you work for_

@solid_fire9388 3 года назад

awesome vid as always... keep em coming !

@gong9901 2 года назад

Weak Armor is more for the Korean model because we have a lot of mountains however optional armor can be equipped for international models

@edwardkim8972 2 года назад

The front has RHA of 800-900mm and the sides have RHA of 300-400mm. So, frontal armor is right up there. Side armor is better than I thought.

@xAlexTobiasxB Год назад

@@edwardkim8972 the 300~400 mm for the sides are only with the additional ERA blocks which is only effective against some old RPGs but any modern RPG and Missile (costing around 100 k) can easilly destroy this 6 million dollar expensive tank, unless it gets APS soon

@kyizelma 24 дня назад

@@xAlexTobiasxB not modern, just tandem RPGs, though, most modern rpgs are tandem and most old rpgs arent tandem

@xAlexTobiasxB 15 дней назад

@@kyizelma yeah that's exactly the point

@AlphaAurora 3 года назад

Don't forget the terrain of Korea is massive hills and valleys. The hard kill APS would be so useful.

@Mgaming61 3 года назад

6:52 a German tank on a double kill 1944 colorized!

@EvoSwatch 3 года назад

Bruh... thats a Leopard. It ain't 1944.

@Mgaming61 3 года назад

@@EvoSwatch I know that. It's just a joke!

@TacticalTirpitzle 3 года назад

wheraboo

@CC-dq6ck 3 года назад

@@TacticalTirpitzle weeaboo

@TacticalTirpitzle 3 года назад

@@CC-dq6ck at least im not fapping to "superior german engineering"

@yogi4319 2 года назад

The transmission is not a problem, its cost (and the possible export control) of the German product is. To get around it, a Korean company called S&T has also developed the transmission years ago, but it was not adapted by the Korean Army citing that it did not meet its durability requirement. S&T has been protesting that the way of measuring and KA's unrealistic high requirements are the real problems. Recently, S&T claimed that they were able to make improvements and KA finally agreed to use their products for the next batch production of K2. S&T also claimed that Turkey agreed to buy the same for their Altai MBT (licensed K2 technology).

@erikgust2 3 года назад

Would love to see you take a look at the Strv 122b+ and the differences between it and its german counterpart at some point!

@Werry_Rang 2 года назад

Would any MBTs survive from a side attack though?

@piotrd.4850 Год назад

5:00 - K2PL is officially dead. Poland goes for baseline K2 'cause timeline!'. However - relative simplicity allows to have large number fielded at less eye-watering costs.

@cloudld8384 3 года назад

Nice point you got there its lack of side armor and foreign transmission. But the point of ROKA's armor maneuver was "First to hit, Do Not Detected." so its win win by the lose side armor to lower weight and great transmission to maneuver. Anyway, always good video with nice infor. Thanks Redeffect!

@giorgikobakhidze9667 3 года назад

Great video I would like to see problems with BMP 4

@AbokaseeRed 3 года назад

I usually don't stress hearing that a tank may have features 3-7 years behind the curve but using first-gen style ERA sounds like utter madness on a otherwise solid-MBT

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

It's not really necessary for the main threat of the north Korean ground forces. Unlike for example the US, Korea doesn't have multiple conflicts all over the world with different needs and different threats.

@bickboose9364 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma Still, an upgrade to something closer to Kontakt-5 wouldn't increase the vehicle's weight significantly, but it would substantially increase its protection.

@skiesgz2633 3 года назад

could you do a video explaining and spotting the problems with the Japanese MBT type 90 or type 10

@lanzgusta3928 3 года назад

for what we can see on RU-vid, oil leak(dump) is biggest problem

@mogensrasmusmogensen6992 3 года назад

You need to pay him

@muhammadnursyahmi9440 3 года назад

Nice try, PLA

@ivan5595 2 года назад

I bet the Type 90 and 10 has limited armor due to the required lighter weight, and the type 10 has CVT which is mostly unproven for heavier applications. Unconfirmed but they also seem to lack a remote controlled HMG. Good tanks, but compromises had to be made to make them support the mountainous area of Japan.

@girthquake1004 2 года назад

Is there a tank that isn’t vulnerable from the side?

@sonsun777 Год назад

bro there is a transmission

@gman64827 10 месяцев назад

Nah really 😱😱😱😱💀💀💀

@kamilszadkowski8864 3 года назад

The transmission is the main problem stopping Poland from buying the license for K2PL. The Polish Ministry of National Defense announced they want to buy/produce at least 800 new MBTs. If Koreans can fix their shit, that would be a huge contract for them.

@filipmisko9363 3 года назад

I talked to the representative of hyundai rotem said that the Korean box is already there and has passed the tests. in addition, work on a new powerpack is underway.

@markschoning5581 3 года назад

@@filipmisko9363 „South Korea’s arms acquisition agency has decided to equip third batch of K2 Black Panther main battle tanks with a German transmission system, a part of the tank’s power pack that includes a locally developed engine. The decision is a blow to a 15-yearlong effort to replace the German RENK transmission system with an indigenous one, which local industry expected would pave the way for exporting the tank. The Defense Acquisition Program Administration, or DAPA, made the decision Nov. 25 during a committee meeting led by Defense Minister Suh Wook, ahead of mass production of 50 more K2 tanks.“ www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2020/11/30/south-koreas-k2-tank-export-plans-suffer-under-transmission-failure/ Only three weeks ago - 25. of November - DAPA ( South Korea’s defence procurement Agency) declared that the Korean developed transmission failed in durability tests. So whatever your source at Hyundai Rotem told you is bogus!

@lukasgruber1280 3 года назад

Why is a mechanical part like a transmission so hard to replicate even when you have access to the German reference design?

@RedEffectChannel 3 года назад

It is not that simple. It is illegal to produce an exact copy of what other company is making (of course, some companies don't care about that), if you want to do that, you need a licence. But having a licence would make it hard for Hyundai Rotem to export K2 to other countries, since that equipment would still be affected by German law, therefore, they need to design a completely original transmission in order not to have any problems with production and export.

@theodorsebastian4272 3 года назад

@@RedEffectChannel Couldn’t they copy T-72 transmission or something?

@luki97z 3 года назад

@@theodorsebastian4272 T-72 mechanical transmissions are nowhere near sturdy enough to deal with a 1500hp engine, not to mention their rather primitive mechanical steering.

@gursharansingh7115 3 года назад

@@RedEffectChannel can u please explain why is it so hard for a country like South Korea to Develop a Tank Engine??🤔🤔🤔

@anidiot2818 3 года назад

Really convenient for the Germans, that the K2 can't be exported with the german transmission. Your country can't purchase a K2 due our restrictions? Why don't get one of our Leopards instead?

@klin6991 3 года назад

Thanks for another great video. You show some interesting plans as reference to what you are talking about in the video. Along with statements made in relation to public statements made by Governments and Manufacturers. Would it be possible to provide reference and bibliography to your source? I am sure people would enjoy the opportunity if inclined to dig further on the work you have done. Again,Thank you.

@NangNangEE Год назад

Thanks for the honest review.

@ZERO-cq7ww Год назад

If war thunder Dev add Korean tech tree would be nice.

@Womgi 3 года назад

It's probably the "still overkill against norks" part that has kept these issues on the backburner. If it's still going to kill a really bad t 55 knock off in an insultingly casual manner, would you really care if its 4 or 6 times better?

@GK11415 3 года назад

Thanks for another great video.

@bryanwong1484 3 года назад

Been waiting for this one

@cherrypoptart2001 3 года назад

This tank is flawless when compared to most mbts u reviewed, especially the arjun and pakistani mbt

@Dman1998 3 года назад

How dare you disgrace Arjun aka the best MBT the world has ever seen 🤨

@jacklarkson4505 3 года назад

@@Dman1998 lmao

@niki6853 3 года назад

@@Dman1998 Best MBT!?Not only the best tank,It's the best weapon that mankind has created!

@radonsider9692 3 года назад

@@niki6853 and will ever be created

@niki6853 3 года назад

@@radonsider9692 Balistic missiles are no problem for it!

@kazansky22 Год назад

I think you should revisit this tank, I've heard they got a domestic gun, domestic power pack and transmission now. And have done some interesting things with the suspension. And they have some really interesting ammo options

@realtalk6195 Год назад

I think the end of 2023 would be a good time to revisit it, since the Altay MBT just entered serial production this year. ROK's exports of K2 tanks will finish by 2025 and serial production on the K2PL in Poland begins in 2026.

@jonny2954 Год назад

@@realtalk6195 Also took the L in Norway against the other kitty.

@Bottleman1999 2 года назад

Someone watching in North Korea: "write this down!!!"

@pill_popin_pigeon4759 Год назад

God damn I didn’t know how questionable the k2’s protection was

@krzysztofbosak7027 2 года назад

2:25 o you really would want to rely on luck? yes! Entire war tactics is based on ratios of firepower, attrition equations, propbabaility of destruction of one type versus another. This is how you fight wars.

@JohnAdams-xj1tn 3 года назад

According to Alpha defence Arjun is best tank in Nuclear missiles category.

@nicholoscaudillo 3 года назад

Presentation well done

@caseinnitratjr6861 3 года назад

Safe the T-80

@prathyushareddy9404 3 года назад

I don't understand

@user-ru1xy8od8k 3 года назад

@@prathyushareddy9404 SK have T-80U

@prathyushareddy9404 3 года назад

@@user-ru1xy8od8k who SK?

@prathyushareddy9404 3 года назад

@@user-ru1xy8od8k South Korea?

@user-ru1xy8od8k 3 года назад

@@prathyushareddy9404 "South Korea" ofc

@piotrd.4850 Год назад

I'm not sure how L55 120mm high pressure gun can be inferior to Leo2A6+ or any other tank, is modern Ammo is used. German Rh-120 L55 A1 was more a fix, than upgrade.

@jonny2954 Год назад

"German Rh-120 L55 A1 was more a fix, than upgrade." What do you mean with that?

@LiveNinetyNine 3 года назад

RedEffect can you please do a video on the Battle of Grozny.

@vaclavnovacek1035 Год назад

Update video about K2PL would be appreciated

@FFFFFFF-FFFFFFFUUUUCCCC Год назад

War in the narrow Korean peninsula is either forward or reverse, with hills and mountains all around you. There isn't any flank to worry about besides some sneaky random infantry AT weapons, thus less need for side armor.

@mollysmoshingtankcrew9441 3 года назад

i see redeffect video. i grab food and i click like :)

@cookiemonsterxlxlx 3 года назад

Red effect the picture you showed of the k2 black panther south korea has offered to Poland. Has 7 road wheels instead of 6 road wheels the basic k2 has. So this means there probably a new k2 black panther in the works. Dont forget that south Koreas neighbors north korea and China dont have a better tank than them. So the k2 black panther would win against all of north koreas tanks and most likely would beat any Chinese tanks.

@SuperGeronimo999 3 года назад

Turkish ALTAY is based on K2 and has 7 wheels too.

@edwardkim8972 3 года назад

Yes, Both the Wolf and the Altay has 7 wheels because the tanks are longer. They are longer because both don't have autoloaders.

@kebuszek3021 Год назад

@@edwardkim8972 K2PL will be having autoloader

@edwardkim8972 Год назад

@@kebuszek3021 yes I know that. My original comment is over a year old.

@ultron2-465 3 года назад

Hey, how about looking at the M95 Degman, M84D or M84A4 tanks?

@cardinalseven1168 Год назад

And here we are in 2022 Poland buys k2 and even has plans for K3Pl in the future program.

@mosesyi5523 3 года назад

1. ERA is not a problem, it has their own KAPS and MAWS system and hard kill system which gives much more than enough protections against RPGs, etc. 2. K2 can be refitted with 140mm gun, so it still beats the current German one. 3. Local transmission will be developed ultimately, so that's not a problem with tank either. More like issue with exporting overseas.

@Vanadium 2 года назад

2. You know that you are talking yet again about a German gun do you? The 140mm is still RHM and like the K2 all NATO tanks who use the RHM 120mm could be upgraded but need new turrets and the same conclusion was conducted for the K2. 3. Same again planed but still not there...

@mosesyi5523 2 года назад

@@Vanadium The gun is made by Hyundai, not German made. 140mm is just a hypothetical, and Koreans can make it if they wanted too.

@ElJackale 2 года назад

@@mosesyi5523 Keep dreaming, you Kims did not even develop the transmission till now. Germany makes better tanks than you. 😀

@ElJackale 2 года назад

@@mosesyi5523 Hyundai can make cars but a 140mm gun is something completely different. Keep dreaming, Kim.

@mosesyi5523 2 года назад

@@ElJackale It's reality, not a dream. Hyundai makes 120mm guns, I am sure they can make 140mm as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CN08_120_mm_gun

@addedcheese 3 года назад

In therms of what the Japanese have made public, how does the type 10s 'super' ammo compare to the DM73? Personally I can't find any information on the capabilities of the type 10 projectile

@josephahner3031 3 года назад

Good luck with that. If any public information exists it'll be in Japanese. It's probably about equal to the American M829A4 round in terminal performance.

@the80386 3 года назад

there's nothing super about it. the armor is indeed effective for its weight but that's about it.

@addedcheese 3 года назад

@@komradearti9935 is there any source to go with this? I would like to read onto it more.

@addedcheese 3 года назад

@@the80386 The question was in regards to the ammo as JSDF claims that it the special ammunition for the type 10 is it's strong suit and can only be fired with type 10's gun.

@addedcheese 3 года назад

@@josephahner3031 Japanese it not a problem but even in japanese I cannot find any public sources regarding it's performance

@martinstensvehagen9161 2 года назад

what do you think about Norway picking between the K2 and the lepard 2 A7. Is it a done deal the the lepard is better?

@keksentdecker 3 года назад

huh I did really not knew that about the transmission

@i_nameless_i-jgsdf 3 года назад

But when are you going to upload a video of you playing War Thunder ?

@thekaiseroftheeast3895 3 года назад

I have a question, whenever Chinese tanks are mentioned, people always assume they are bad because their information is unspecified or there is little data on them yet when a Korean or Israeli or whatever tank is mentioned with unspecified data, people assume what they are told and assume the tank is good.

@bickboose9364 3 года назад

Actually tank enthusiasts believe the latest Chinese tanks to be good. It's the North Korean vehicles everybody is mocking.

@topgunablek 2 года назад

4:10 One of smoke grenade is failed

@civilgoalstone6151 3 года назад

Can you also review the sabrah light tank

@fabio6170 3 года назад

What i really like about k2 is that it can be a SPG and can fire KSTAM with 8km of range 👍

@Pepe-dq2ib 3 года назад

but why?

@markschoning5581 3 года назад

And the sub ammunitions of the KSTAM II projectile are the same as the ones from the German SMArt 155 artillery round! So no export without German permission. „KSTAM-II was co-developed by South Korea and Germany's Diehl Corporation. The KSTAM-II is launched from the 120 mm L55 main guns mounted on the K2 Black Panther main battle tanks that are to be fielded by the South Korean military, and will be used for attacking targets, stationary or moving, that are hidden behind obstacles. It is similar to the SMArt 155.“ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSTAM

@jeffreyprezalar220 3 года назад

@@markschoning5581 wrong ktasm was built off American xm943 staff round but very similiar to the other rounds because it is not an arcing round but a straight fly over attacking downward round and it does not have flying seekers but distance and magnetic feelers kind of like tow 2 aero.

@markschoning5581 3 года назад

@@jeffreyprezalar220 No KSTAM II stands for Koren smart top attack munition, and is using the same type of sub ammunition as the German SMArt 155 artillery round! What you are talking about is the KSTAM I round! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSTAM

@acrossguysy Год назад

k2의 최대 사거리는 10km입니다.

@caseinnitratjr6861 3 года назад

Only problem it has...it’s no T-80

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

Wasn't the T-80 completely annihilated in the Chechnya campaign?

@werrkowalski2985 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma Actually South Korea operates many T-80s

@capacsis 11 месяцев назад

No transmission in a tank? Are you a nut?

@ninonucaro8539 3 года назад

RedEffect, please a few numbers on the new "Derivatze" air-defense 57 mm. Thanks

@luket1085 3 года назад

When the "Hitomaru" will be reviewed?

@josephahner3031 3 года назад

Probably as soon as sources become available. The JGSDF is not sharing information about the tank. Japan is forbidden by law from exporting weapons of war so they're not trying to advertise the tank's capabilities, thus public information is scarce.

@hammkers7 3 года назад

한국 국방부의 독트린이 전차보다 아파치 같은 헬기가 더 중요하다고 생각해서 k2의 예산으로 아파치 가디언을 사는중이죠. 북한을 상대로 k2는 오버킬이기때문에 대량의 기갑차량을 파괴할 수 있는 헬기를 구매하는중. 그래서 전차 개량 사업 역시 k2위주가 아니라 k1계열을 업그레이드 하는중이구요.

@Nyski03 3 года назад

Maybe you can make vide about K2PL?

@gtgodbear6320 Год назад

My cousin was an M1 Abrams Driver assigned at the 39th parallel. He got discharged for going $30,000 in detb on drunky whores and local shops. He constantly got reprimanded for being a slob and unkempt. He accidentally decapitated a fellow soldier after not following procedure. Turned the turret and someone had their head sticking out. My cousin was the driver and was supposed to be the only one sticking his head out that hole but still decapitated a Soldier breaking the rules. Sticking his head through the driver's hole. But my cousin was supposed to announce he was turning the turret. All that together got him discharged. He was very lucky he didn't go to military prison.

@gtgodbear6320 Год назад

My dad joined the Navy during Vietnam. He fell through all the cracks and didn't learn anything. When he got his assignment on ship guns. He shot down two American Jets. As soon as he saw something on the radar he just started shooting. I think he was the one that shot down the first American jets in Vietnam, through friendly fire.

@feliscatus5161 3 года назад

I mean the K-2 has problems, but it's more than enough for countering North Korean tanks

@Bakotcha 3 года назад

It's overkill

@ravener96 3 года назад

Afaik the k2 can be made with a 130mm gun if the customer demands it. There has been talks with norway, and a 130mm option was requested

@HJDore 3 года назад

Interesting, Would you have sources for that?

@ravener96 3 года назад

@@HJDore i'm norwegian and have read some norwegian articles about the norwegian talks about getting the K2, sorry but thats all i got. i also read the norwegian army magazine sometimes, and there was an article about it i think. the basics of it is that the deal would be that they set up a production line for the K2 here in norway for our tanks, and im not sure if the 130mm was a requirement or a required option so we could switch to it

@bickboose9364 3 года назад

@@ravener96 It can even mount a 140mm should it be necessary.

@heuhen 3 года назад

For the possible enemy for the tank and what type of terrain it are operating in, the tank is totally fine. Building a tank is full of compromises.

@theaveragegamer7221 3 года назад

Is it safe to call this the King Panther?

@sinisterisrandom8537 3 года назад

Considering the only 2 neighboring countries that would attempt to actually fight the K2 Blackpanther aka A BEAUTIFUL Tank. Would be North Korea error a joke of tanks. But also China which all I see their tanks as good target practice. Tho war thunder from my experience gets some things correctish. Most of it isn't truly Military like due to the lack of communication and the sheer of braindead people because there's no communication due to language barriers only when it doesn't become an issue is from people scouting and those willing to use the map.

@CrazyDutchguys 3 года назад

problem with playing online games is that theres other people in them. Warthunder, like most other online team based games is basically you vs 16 enemies, and the others on your teams are just blue dots on your minimap that do nothing useful

@vodkavodka8903 3 года назад

I'm korean and we have a lot of corruption inside the defense industry(?) Usb costs about 100 usd, apc's engine going off on road and unable to start the engine again, armored car's wheels dismantling on road, helicopter's door and main rotor dismantling mid flight etc so pretty sure that tank is fucked up in other ways too

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

My cousin serves in the military and although I've heard some things I've never heard that helicopter rotors dismantle mid air lol

@vodkavodka8903 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma if i remember correctly 5 out of 6 marines including the pilot didn't survived the crash

@vodkavodka8903 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma i found the video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1qv9qY8DBnk.html

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

@@vodkavodka8903 oh damn, haven't heard of it :/ Poor guys

@vodkavodka8903 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma yeah it's a shame that the industry is so corrupted to the point that it costs lives

@clapper3530 3 года назад

have you any sources for the DM73 APFSDS?

@amcyt3003 3 года назад

can it fly?

@Chloe-bn8so 3 года назад

Can you please do a Japanese *Type 10* MBT review?!!

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

Just because you're a weeb he shouldn't

@assgrabber5473 3 года назад

Always fun to see koreans and japanese fight ngl

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

@@assgrabber5473 the difference is, rooftop Koreans are on our side ._.)

@assgrabber5473 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma I'd imagine they'd have plenty of weebs willing to side with them too

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

@@assgrabber5473 weebs are weak though, since real life is no Anime

@dasboot5903 3 года назад

*South Korean tank K2 was developed to the South Korean army to fight with COMMIES in the mountain terrains of the Korean Peninsula. So, side protection was not an issue and a very important thing that time !!!!* For the army of the Republic of Poland - it could be a serious problem, because of the variety of the terrains, but mostly FLAT continental with rivers. So, K2-PL definitely required to do something serious with a side protection, so Koreans did it. We are waiting to build a real working prototypes as soon as possible !!!! *Moreover, fully Korean made transmission, would be appreciated, and I think that South Korean Hyundai Industries are definitely capable to develop a good engine-transmission POWER PACK !!!! Just give them a credit and a little time more !!!! They are already working under pressure, because of the tanks for their own army, for Turks, and for the future Polish cooperation in development and fully scaled production of the K2-PL in Poland, to be manufactured under the SK license !!!!*

@edwardkim8972 2 года назад

My understanding is the that Polish Wilk program has been put on hold since they bought 250 M1A3 SEPs from America. Those M1A3 SEPs will replace the antiquated T-72s and Twardy tanks. Apparently, the Wilks will replace the over 20 year old Leo2A5s in Polish inventory?

@the7observer 3 года назад

Maybe the lack of side armor is because they intended or the designers thought since they will be defending the tanks will most likely have their flanks secured. In theory sounds ok but if the enemy breaches the flank the tank and the crew are toast

@Phantom-bh5ru 3 года назад

Also it has literally no side armor which means the k2 has to be directly facing the enemy and even a slight angle will have the sides penned as modern apfsds gives no shits about angles

@CreArtStuff 3 года назад

Can you tell your sponsor to fix the damn severs

@ramadhani201 3 года назад

Japanese tanks when?

@Bigma_Industries 3 года назад

Welcome to Nato tank design department, we have: Mobility Weak spots Snake-vision sights and little billy over there. ... wait, was that everyone? has anybody seen Protection, and Budget?

@crabbyjungle5670 3 года назад

What? NATO tans have equivalent or better armour to Russians/china

@Bigma_Industries 3 года назад

@@crabbyjungle5670 a wise man once said; "just because something is the best, does not imply that it is without flaws." Edit: Horribly translated, but u prolly got the point

@PugilistCactus 3 года назад

I think the sides on the K2 are the least of its problems considering you won't likely see it after it it lowers itself.

@hamzashaheen1500 3 года назад

Please do one on the vt-4 i would like to know about it better

@romainfrippiat1122 3 года назад

I want this tank in war thundeeeeer😍😍😍😍

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

Than they need to introduce a Korean tree though, or add it to the American tree, but they already have enough vehicles

@aleksaradojicic8114 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma They would add K2 to Japanese tree more likely.

@senzanome5768 3 года назад

@@DefinitelyNotEmma is very stupid to add Korea(sud and North) tech tree because Korea have only few ww2 she have more cold war and mbt tank if gaijin add Korea tech tree the br is start in 3.7/4.0 with sherman or t 34

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

@@aleksaradojicic8114 are you dumb? You know our history right? It's like adding polish vehicles to the German tree

@DefinitelyNotEmma 3 года назад

@@senzanome5768 as I said, the only other option is the American tree

@andrewwang8204 3 года назад

I think the tank itself had no weak points. The only weakness that this tank has was its price.

@andrewwang8204 3 года назад

@@o_o-fk7ym OK.

@axel0_02 3 года назад

I watch so much of this videos that I knew about the new German gun because of adds in a RU-vid video, just when it was launched it went something like "the most recent development of Rheinmetall: the new cannon *name of the cannon* is the best that we ever produced-" and then I skipped the add

@glennjohnston2267 3 года назад

You should do a mock battle between the K2 and the Japanese Type 10. I would find that interesting

@yellomonky4272 3 года назад

Type 10 would probably win

@user-xj8mq2md6v 2 года назад

@@yellomonky4272 I don't think so...

@lolmeme69_ 2 года назад

The K2 is much better protected with similar electronics. The K2 would come out on top. The Type 10 is better suited to taking out Cold War Warsaw Pact tanks, but it doesn't really hold up against an actual MBT.

@hasanmishu8792 3 года назад

At least arjun have transmission, how can it one of the best mbt 🤣,come on dude

@la-zrider2749 3 года назад

Kim Jong Un approves this video.

@ivi7017 3 года назад

The turret-front-armor is so small. What if being hit in other positions from front?

@Daniel_jjj Год назад

Questions have been raised about this in Korea as well. However, the reality is that existing APFSDS shells lose their penetrating power as the warhead collapses when it hits an inclination angle of more than 70 degrees. And as the South Korean Ministry of National Defense released a video that K2 succeeded in blocking its shells on an inclined plane.

@Daniel_jjj Год назад

The U.S. Abrams tank also has a sloped part under the turret that is not equipped with composite armor. But, as you know, the Abrams is one of the strongest tanks in the world.

@phantom09k 3 года назад

I have a video request 😶 Can u make a video on Type 59G BD A.K.A Durjoy MK2 MBT modified and used by The Bangladesh army.And give your opinion on the problems of the tnak and how it could be improved...Wishing you and my fellow subscribers a happy new year 😀🎉🎉