Problems with Merkava tank 

Yes.

What about the whippet as well

The Archer is a Tank destroyer, not a Tank.

Then what defines a tank all I see is tracks and armor

@@lolbosss What defines a tanks is mostly its designation, Archer was not designated as a Tank, therefore it isn't, simple yes?

The merkava It was not in use at the time it was blown up, a drone blew up the tank with a mortar bomb from above while it had 2 soldiers instead of 4..

and trophy system Didn't turnd on, because there was no warning of combat, it was a surprise attack.

​@@allmight9142Shut up shekel licker

even with trophy on, it blown up@@allmight9142

trophy wasnt designed to destroy artillery shells or drone dropped munition, of which 90% tank casualties consist now@@allmight9142

Yes I saw it too

But according to the online military experts, isn't possible 😂

It was the electronics.

Video link? I kinda want to see and research this

Just watched it, your desciption is way off. The fire seems to be limited, the tank is immobilized at most. What I am sure is that the propagandists showing this video never show what happens next. The drone is still up and filming, yet theres no footage of tank crew fleeing or it blowing up. I've seen russian tanks destroyed by drones and the damage in those videos looked way more dramatic.

I also never expected !!! That mean merkava is a 'fake tanks'😂

​@@zamriisa8073by your logic that makes the T-90M, T-90A, T-80 and Challenger 2 fake tanks too

technically no tank can survive drone attack on top of the turret or the upper chassis

Ok CV-6 but how about Big Bob?

@Zayed Haroon they got plenty of T-90's

@Zayed Haroon how can you tell this? Did Russians tell you this? T-90's are some what as good as abrams. And when they could beat Pakistani pattons with ages old centurions they certainly can capitalise on shitty tanks made by DRDO. Anyhow arjun might seem like crap in first instance but i have my doubts. DRDO's staff directly taken from IIT's. They don't lack in skill but they do lack in fundings and corrupt hierarchy as an issue for them. About the patton vs centurions. You can find out on your own if you google basantar, asal uttar, battle of longewal. They are skilled even if their tanks may not be good enough. And yeah the T-90's aren't toys.

@Zayed Haroon name of 2nd lieutenant Arun Kheterpal still haunts them :))

@@Vikram-jv9wp the abrams are over 40 years old in design. which means it took them this long to come up with an all rounder brawler

Monstertruck Other tanks have thicker front armor than the Merkava.

Vassilis Tzaferis, notice that the Merkava has an excellent hull down design.

Drew Sullivan • 12 years ago yes it is true. But going by Israel's tank battle successes, they did better when they were exposed and have travelled speedily to the location they want to have advantage. Which means there's no time to hull down.

Engines will do jack shit towards Apfsds.

Indeed the engine is no barrier to modern Sabot. At most another 10-20 mm of additional RHA. Very sad amount. Israel needs to work towards unmanned MBTs or 2 men tanks with no crew in turret ala T14 Armata style. The Merkava is heading towards obsolescence depending on whether her neighbors have advancement in MBT tech. If Turkey has the new Altay, I would recommend Israel to upgrade

And rpg-7 shell that is old af

even russian tank dont burn from grenades when hatch door is closed

@@Zx17OPv57i Yeah, also the Russians sometimes put a grille over the tank. Everyone in the west laughed at that.

those are almost all tanks. Most tanks are very lightly armored on the top. Meant to protect from shrapnel and not much else. A mortar round to the head will kill almost any tank from above if it lands in the right spot (in that case, directly onto where the breach was located under, thus detonating the shell)

​@@gdtacos7082bro I have never seen a single tank detonate from a grenade that small Even russian tanks take a couple even when the hatch is open

This comment is so underrated

I don't know about the F1 one, if you blow all your opposition out of the race, I think you'd win

@@acreepykiwi6788 He said F1, not Destruction Derby. ;)

U r g0od lvl idiot

Merkavas also have horrible taste in beachwear and rarely attend the Oscars.

liar! everyone know that Tsar tank is the best.

Noo,, T34 is the best! It made by Stalinlium

The Killdozer is best tank. Also home made DIY project!

Of course it is, all hail Bob!

exactly

And the Varsuk is actually a Soviet union prototype.

I honestly wish the M2A1 Slammer was as OP as the Merkava 4 irl lol

Well it's a pretty futuristically looking tank so it does make sense.

Yah true

You got to remember the specific needs of the IDF. This tank was designed to fight numerically superior Soviet tanks in defencive battles. It's designed to fight from prepared ridge line fighting positions overlooking open plains.

@@CS-zn6pp Yes, it not unlike Sweden's Strv-103, specific for the country's needs.

It’s literally a challenger hull and leopard turret

This video is the proof to how easy it is today, with good video editing skills and convincing voice ,to generate an entire video full of misinformation driven by either total misunderstanding or intentional arrogance. There are two tanks in this world which are the absolute BEST, first one is the American Abrams M1, second one is the Israeli Merkava Mark IV - forget all of the rubbish keyboard warriors and computer games experts tell you. after those two world-wide leaders, you can rank down the rest of the BTs... no means to disrespect it's just hard cold facts

Based on game play, not operational or doctrinal requirements......

How about the t14 armata?

joema cano what about the T14 Armata all Tanks have flaws you just have to find it, or use a better penetrator.

+Phil. You like hes "All Russian tanks are better than you think and all Western ones are shit" commentaries and think they are unbiased. LoL

John Toas I assure you they aren’t. Defending from hostile surrounding middle easter nations and multiple terrorist organizations is indeed a good thing to do.

Is most of the other info correct?

It can not be detected with thermal imaging because the unarmed Palestinians don't have those gadgets. btw Hezbollah has.

@@Korean_Crayon technically correct but he doesn't take in to account two things. 1) Israel's potential full on war enemies (Syria at the moment) don't have the top of the line modern tanks he is comparing it to. 2) The tactics Israel uses for tank warfare. The Merkava was specifically designed for those tactics.

@@benzwebner2515 Syria does have a small fleet of T-90 tanks but those are rather pre occupied right now..... Also I'd guess they recieved no more then 20 of them with a few being damaged in battle already.

I thought that statement sounded wrong. I was on an M1A1 in the Persian Gulf War, and I didn't recall any problems viewing things in the TIS whenever the turret was looking backward over the rear deck (where our engine sits).

Round tips aren’t scary, pointy tip is scary!

lmao. Yes Dictator. like the one in the cartoon right, with the bird and the coyote....😂😂😂

A sense in this sea of salt and triggerd people, sir

@@wonkagaming8750 not sure what you mean by that but sure

@@cerbrus828 i meant the there is still someone that had coman sanse and open to problems instead of getting triggered and salty about set subject

@@wonkagaming8750 ah. sure dude. think about it i have first-hand experience with this machine. some things are good something are absolute shit. but that is with every machine ever build. thats why we always get better as a human race.....well most of the time

Key word area of use. That is what it is designed for and where it is outstanding. Also it currently isn't designed to face the most modern armor,and is more than sufficient to match and overcome any of it's neighbors and or peers

Loli4lyf, why not the bob Semple round.

I like the wheels.

Bob for president!

merkava has been ranked as the best in the world so

sainthood for bob

give me so much sloped armor that the turrent becomes a shell trap....

@@SDeww not really. Its like a clam shell not a bird beak.

It's nickname was the Buttered Clam - fortunately only had Russian Marshmallows to deal with.

As it was said in the video, engine is not able to stop most of the modern tank shells

yeah he was not saying it would just kill the engine what he means is that it would just negate the engine entirely and just fly through it APFSDS and HEAT of today do not care but as it is it does not really matter who ever shoots first will most likely get a chicken dinner

With a big hole in your frontal hull armor, there is no such thing as a quick engine swap to get it back into action.

@@Ganiscol …And my guess there will be more than a single hole in your tank given the force of impact of the round against the engine and the subsequent kinetic reactions occurring within the engine compartment. Never mind any basically trained enemy tank crew will most likely throw follow-on rounds into your immobilized tank whenever possible until you’re good and toasty….

nowadays most hits will be from top, sides, and rear (drones, Kornet). but frontal protection is sine qua non. when Ka Vikhr hits u, should be able to take the impact.

Shut up liar

CV90?

Who cares

@@MrSmoke-gb7tzYes, the CV90A.

@@marcuslagergren5632 I am a cv9030 driver too in the swiss armed forces. I think the cv90 sounds much better than the leopard.

4brushless 1 lipo and an rpg7 with duck tape

And yet israeli are still there 😑

@@Akiratoriyama27bro Just wait and see them resting in peace...🤣🤣

@@nabeelgulli388 you think so they been there for almost eternity 😑 hamas and IDF is same never ending conflict.,

@@Akiratoriyama27 It will end with World war 3...🤣

This misinformation is crazy...

Mat do you followed red videos?

wonka gaming He probably does he is into tanks and red makes interesting videos about less known problems of some tanks called ”the best in the world”

Howdy Matsimus.

Hi Matt!

Very good until it met those Kornets😁😁😁

This is very true, and I do agree with you. However, if Israel was to come into conflict for whatever reason with a country that does have capabilities to take out the Merkava effectively, then Israel would be screwed, this is why it is important to try and produce a tank that is a 'Jack of all trades', rather than relying on a vehicle that is only very effective at certain things.

Idk... what about the growing tensions with syria and its allies i really think a t90 or eve a t72 would put the merkava in a atrocious spot like a foreskin in the hands of a rabi

@@BigDCera 😂 yeah well that's the thing, but nowadays tank armour is almost irrelevant, majority of vehicles have the ability to fire projectiles that can penetrate armour way thicker then could possibly be put on a tank so the battles could more or less come down to other factors

@@ChewieeTheGuy Well... Most current NATO tanks can't frontally penetrate each another with a center of mass hit so I don't know where do you get that idea from.

Well how does he knows the protection of the merkava? Its still classified

Same , aside from increase of noise level for the crew and A FREAKING FUEL TANK AT THE FRONT , its a quiet unique design, especially if u wanna have space on the back

@@Wolfy848 Yer that fuel tank placement is pretty insane. You would be hard pressed to place it in a worse spot.

@@Magiktcup well yeah , its a huge down side for the tank since wen shoot , it demoralized it along with the engine How ever ut makes sense tho Remember , the merkava tank is all about crew protection (RIP driver) If they placed it behind engine , sure the engine would protect it but then it will be exposed in the side which is the weakest part of the tank If that explodes then the crew in the turrent and driver will both probably die in the process

There is a reason why APCs/IFVs are seperate from Main Battle Tanks in every army in the world.

I think he does

Fuck yeah I do

The real life Merkava does have its cons but in war thunder if you park it where it's armor can be affective you will be a bitch the kill.

i do, and i got merkava, and its not so fantastic to be honest. kinda suxx.

@@thespectator2976 it would be much better if it were in the British tech tree. Where it is now it almost always gets dragged in with the baby Abrams spam.

Wll G sabra uses the Same armor and gun of the merkava mk4

@@kemalsurmeli7722 thats not true but ok

@Pat Micucci HAHAHAHAHAHAH

@Pat Micucci dead

Lol

Wait tanks still use tungsten I thought they switched to DU cause it’s better in every way

@@little_weed192 At higher velocities (above 1800m/s) tungsten rounds do slightly better than DU (I don't know the specifics of the metallurgy). Those velocities are difficult to achieve and the higher energies needed to reach those velocities cause increased system wear, so the US has stuck with DU because it does perform better at velocities modern tanks typically sling rounds at (1300-1700 m/s). Most other countries stick with tungsten rounds because it is cheaper and easier to acquire and does not require buying from the few countries capable of supplying DU or having their own nuclear program. DU actually stands out because it's used primarily by the US.

It was designed to fight stone throwers.

The merkava was more designed to fight urban battles against heat warheads such as rpg's and atgms, its not designed for tank on tank warfare because israel isnt expecting to fight against a near peer armored force, its not the best tank in the world but its the best tank for israel

I was hoping someone would point that out. Most countries MBT are at a large disadvantage in fighting urban environment versus open terrain. Several vets have told me about how they have to protect MBT that are supporting the attack versus focusing on the task. Why else do countries build different vehicles for different jobs. Having a tank that can transport several troops combines 2 or 3 separate vehicles superpowers would use. Despite its drawbacks, the merkava is an excellent tank/apc that fits what Israel faces in almost every engagement. Itd be asinine to build a standard MBT when chances of that particular form of engagement is nill, unlike the superpowers.

@@Idontmatter1234 Eh, no, the troop transport capability is largely useless. If it wasn't, Israel wouldn't invest so much into proper city fighting APCs, the Namer and its predecessors, the Nagmachon and the Achzarit...

If you are so convinced Merkava was made for urban warfare tell me, why is it better at it than any other tank, and dont talk about Trophy, that is Active Protection System that can be mounted on any tank

​@@RedEffectChannel More armour on the roof (Mark 4) to protect from top down attacks by RPG's on buildings. www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/MerkavaMk1.html (table at bottom of page) this is the only source I could be bothered to google. It's a great tank for what it is designed for but would be below par in tank on tank against more modern tanks but better as an infantry support tank.

​@@RedEffectChannel i don't think it is better than every other tank over all. but as far as operating in urban Terrain goes the merkava does have some advantages. The merkava has better all round armor protection against HEAT Munitions than most MBT, as they tend to have the cold war set up with most of their armor focused around the front arc and thin side armor. It also has a V-shaped belly armor pack to help protect against mines and IEDs. As i said your points are good and im just trying to give some context on why the may have designed it the way they did.

That's complete bullshit! The Merkava was designed from the start to be a normal Main Battle Tank just like any other MBT for regular symetric warfare too. Keep in mind it was a big improvement from the Centurion and M60 tanks which were Israel's MBTs prior to 1980's. The Merkava was supposed to have better protection than the Centurion and M60, which it did. Israel also wanted to obtain the Chieftain MBT from the UK, but that request was declined. So they had to come up with their own indigenous tank, which became the Merkava. And even though it still didn't have as good protection as the other western MBTs like Abrams, Leopard or Challenger, it was still a big improvement from the earlier Centurion and M60. But the Merkava was still meant to fight in symetric warfares, which it did in 1983 against Syrian, when it knocked out several Syrian T-62 tanks

Nicole easy peasy lemon squeezy like LifeLongStrong mentioned, the earlier versions were designed for symetric wars, but the nowadays merkava (4&5) are designed for counter insurgency, the israeli battle doctrine changes since yom kippour(1973), they no need to engage a large scale war against its neighbours since usa offer a larger support than before.today the idf is more specialised in pacification and counter insurgency than fight regular armies. and the proof is all countries that have insurgency problems buy israeli weaons(philipines,india,turkey,saudis with the iron dom,...) i don't say that idf isn't prepared against regular armies, but it can only gain time waiting the us intervention to save them. but in the geopolitical situation of israel today, there is no symetric threat despite iran wich is far from it borders and havn't an effecient airforce to bomb israel. and idf could buy foreign mbt like M1A2 or the french leclerc in the case of symetric war

@@warmbreeze7996 merkava 4&5? I think you mean 3&4 but not 5

@Shawn Sable lebenon never had t-72,and in Yom kippour, the majority of idf tanks get destroyed by Egyptians maljutka,so by heat.israeli military had always focused it's efforts to offer a better protection against heat. Symetric wars are no longer their priorities for now

@@warmbreeze7996 You just answered your own comment idiot. There is currently no enemy that could threaten Israel in a symmetric war. But that doesn't mean the Merkava Mk.4 can not defeat modern tanks.

But the Indians, Japanese, Chinese, Pakistani, all have copycats mbt of the Abraham

I don’t think these guys got your joke^

@@dantesixx1155 Wow your comment is so stupid. None of those coutnries copied the Abrams. Chinese tanks are mostly copied from Soviet/Russia, Pakistan tanks are from China (since arabs can't build their own tanks), the Indian Arjun tank is influenced by German Leopard 2A4 turret (but based on a Soviet T72 chassis), the Japanese Type 90 is also copy of Germany Leopard 2A4 and the new Type 10 is influenced by Leoaprd 2A6.

@Jose Raul Miguens Cruz I'm not sure about the Armata. Its active protection covers 180 degrees at the front, while the Merkava-4 Trophy system covers the tank like a bubble - 360 degrees and whatever comes from the top. Besides that, the Trophy tells from where the threat originated and offers it as a target to be destroyed. As far as I know it's something the Armata would wish to have.

why should they copied it. it design only for israel.

Still better than t90.

APC feature is rarely used

But there is no engine in the back which saved a lot of lives in traditional tanks, so autocanons or rpgs can easily go through and kill tank crew. Better to relay on good frontal armor.

@@rinaldoman3331 the engine and fuel in the front will not stop rounds besides maybe some RPGs

@@grandayatollah5655 I wrote that engine in the back of the tank protect crew too but you can increase front armor which is unreal for Merkava due balance issues. But in M1A2 you can't add more NERA armor as you want withous testing chassis like on photos with M1A2C prototype and if you want to add armor on Merkava you now understand...

@@grandayatollah5655 Merkava style protection with engine in front are using a lot of modern wheleed tanks like Centauro, Type 16 and etc because long hull with huge ammount of elements, plates, fuel can stop cumulative jet except very strong ATGMs like Cornet or TOW-2.

1986 merkava mark 1 vs syrian tanks

@@itayamsalem925 like the man said, actually capable.

@@dk418 pretty sure t62 can fight a merkava

@@itayamsalem925 but fortunately hamas ain't got a tank

@@lukidwiputra4644 maybe they can stack enough children on a car to act as layers of armour?

I mean, I can carry people now

@@randomuser5443 ya meant, I can carry people.

Merkava MK IV M how things go in 2006?

@@fouadjaber4111 *went And it was ok, I mean, yeah, some comrades were downed, but not that much...

Saving the crew is better than saving the tank.

And how brave they are vs stone throwing youths!

@@Angron789 it's a lot more than stones. Kornett sounds familiar?

More important thing is to understand, that tank is an armored, mobile gun for destroying of enemy strengthen points and providing support for infantry. Tank capabilities of fighting with other tanks are secondary objectives. In short, see army from single troop perspective and you will understand that everything else is a support. Motivated, trained, equipped and well supported soldier is a key to win.

@St. Petersberg whot

@@maorgavriel2409 תודה על השירות למדינה. זה בגלל אנשים כמוך אנשים כמוני יכולים לחיות ברוגע.

Now they equipped them with "Windbreaker" Which is a Anti AT System. It shoots down AT Rockets fired at the tank.

@@user-ro5cp1ro4u yes but the problem is that it's not efficient enough 15/ 20 % chance of success , before that they add high frequency laser ,but turned out it's not good too , the Russians knows exactly what they are doing.

@@chotob8458 They're developing a new modern series of Merkava tanks. Merkava 4 "Barak" Which is equipped with the most advanced Anti AT System . It's accurate and was developed by "Rafael" The Tank Is expected to start it's service 2021

@@chotob8458 Every tank has problems but the Merkava is proven to be one of the finest tanks. This Russian guy clearly is mad or against Israel. He could've talked about the trashy Russian Anti Aircraft systems whose proven useless against IAF's planes in Syria . But he didn't.

@@user-ro5cp1ro4u only one way to find out who got the better equipments I guess under the pressure of a certain war

The merkava isnt designed to fight other tanks, the paper thin engine armor is due to the engine's ability to absorb the heat jet from chemical warheads, the most common threat to a merkava

Israeli tanker are trained to fight in a hull down position whenever possible. In case of war, they also have prepared positions set up. People forget that unlike the Abrams, Merkava is designed for defense with short supply lines.

@@yonghominale8884 blah blah blah. You can't just sit in that hull down position all the time. And once you go to counterattack your supah-stronk-hull-down-tenk will suck miserably.

@@yonghominale8884 The Challenger series was also designed like that, and the lower front plate was summarily neglected in a similar fashion. Fast forward to LIC in the Middle East and a couple of IEDs and ATGMs later, the British Army changed their tune. The only reason that the Israeli armed forces haven't lost more tanks is that they are led by competent commanders that are cognizant of the Merkava's strengths and weaknesses. But that does not excuse a pretty elementary design flaw.

What myths are you talking about? The engine of this tank never was a myth to begin with. Keep in mind the Merkava was meant to offer better protection thant the Centurion and M60 tanks, which were ISrael's Main Battle Tanks until replaced by the Merkava in the 1980. So yes, the engine in the front definitely proved much better protection than compared to the Centurion and M60 that Israel used before. Of course it still wasn't as good as the other Western MBT's like Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger. But Israel was't as rich as those other countries, so it did the best with what it had avaibale. Most middle eastern countries still don't even have their own indigenous tanks even to this day.

@@xAlexTobiasxB iam talking about the myth that the merkava tank is the best protected tank in the world. peroid. for israel the merkava is fine, because their potential enemies dont have modern tanks. but against other modern MBT´s, the merkava would not perform well.

Did you see when the engine on fire they need a bulldozer for push the cannon barrel, so the turret turn sideways

thank you

It should be able to turn unless the batteries run out power and the turret could also be manualy rotated.

Russia claims it could jam Trophy but no russian atg fired at Trophy was able to hit its targets. .. Lahat is claimed to be able to jam all russian active hard kill System. .. but so far no Lahat was fired at russian hard kill Systems to proof the claim... russian claim is proof to be a lie .... Israel claim is not proof in any real Action so far ... the german ads System is imun against Radar Jammer because it use a huge range of Sensors to detect and locate incomming threat not only a Radar. ..

@@fauzaanachmadillah4670 That's because the crew had already abandoned the tank

There is 2 big drawbacks to these kinds of hard kill APS: collateral damage and an absolutely giant signature (can't remember if it was radio, radar or electronic).

@@RockSolitude most likely a radar signature. I wonder if attack helos can defeat the system by firing their guns to damage the electronics, clutter the radar... clearing the way for the ATGM.

Then good luck with the APFSDS

@@UserJoy24 Iron fist (elbit's APS system) can, and was tested for countering APFSDS

The thing is merkava has too many issues to be called "the best tank".

Except The Freebrams

I think you're forgetting the Bob Semple there mate

@@karmallarma5871 Do you mean the best tank in history that outclasses every modern mbt?

KV 2 is perfect tank

The merkva has a back door the crew can use to get out of the tank if it gets hit from the front. It is another reason why the engine is in the front, I'm a merkva mechanic and know the tank pretty well.

Not to say you are wrong but that is an is2 tactic

Hamas begs to differ, using russian anti tank weapons, they took out quite a few.

@@manofchaitea6904 on what are you talking about? lol a few? for as i know not even one so far the only one who did was Hezbollah and it was an old version

@@haimlamash6371 Hezbollah took out several in 2006, different models both current and older, and they proved to be easily destroyable with modern Russian weapons like the Rpg- 29, then again so are most tanks.

@Noam Sviri The new Merkava? yeah, I'm sure it has upgraded armor, the IDF have tons of combat experience to build a better tank. The only viable weapons that may defeat new tanks would be the Kornet missile and maybe the RPG 30. The Merkava is an interesting design, and I like to watch as it is improved. All the best.

The design is obsolete compared to the Leopard 2 and the Abrams but it does It's job

The derp king

A fart from a Merkava VI engine exhaust will most likely smelt your lovely KV-2 , just sayin ;-)

Soyuz nerushimi

Chally Ho real talk, I don’t have my helmet on if you know what I mean and it makes me sad my parents took my helmet off

A dirty old man slices your helment off when you're a baby and gives you your first BJ!! Now isn't that just charming indeed! 😵 I never complained about my Catholic upbringing again after I'd heard all that!!😬😟

objective? the guy talks total horse shit the entire video, as if he is listing the issues he had driving this tank in a computer game.. check some comments here of people who actually served in the Israeli Army and operated those machines, they have better and much more *objective* insights

Thanks a lot man 😀

@@RedEffectChannel your gay no one likes your videos

@@valentinapetrova9675 *you´re

@@valentinapetrova9675 my guy it's been 2 years

u kno nothing about warfare or weapons, just bedrooms youtubers who never never gonna be in a real situation or gonna understand filosofy behind designing a weapon

yes but it is a necessary sacrifice for the main type of tactics israel uses

And strv 103

pretty sure apfsds will spall even more with the engine there and so kill more crew members

Yeah your wrong, the engine would just send much more shrapnel towards the crew.

@@rhodanjones5155 And that is by what logic?

These kids play too much war thunder lol, "engine in front bad it get disable easy" The tank itself is not being protected here, its protection for the crew, a round isnt gonna go straight through the engine like that and spall either, since its already going to have to go through the Merkavas armor, and then a massive Diesiel engine and then another armor plate to get to the crew. Are we forgetting Israel is mostly fighting T-55's, 62's, and 72's btw? These tanks are incredibly dated, and most likely not using top of the line munitions. That wouldn't become a problem unless they're battling shit like the Abrams, Leopards and T-90's. You guys need to realise this tank was built and tailored to their situation, not your own little "oh what if" stuff.

Engine is in front b/c there is a door in the back. Every IFV has front engine and so does Merkava. It has little to do with protecting a crew - it feels such statement is made mostly by marketing arm. Maybe against HEAT but not AP rounds. Engine blocks are routinely shot and disabled by anti material rifles and many modern power packs use a lot of aluminium. There is very little armor value in there. Hiding behind sand bar is not a good idea as well as few meters of sand do not add too much protection - you want to hide in a hole in the ground not behind some obstacle as if the enemy sees your massive heat from the engine they simply shoot through sand, through weak frontal armor into your crew.

Yeah. Plus we're getting into the same problem of the early cold war. You have a Heavy tank (let's say, IS-3), the enemy has HEAT rounds that can just go right through. Any armor designed to stop more than an autocannon is pointless weight. Then we got tanks like the Leopard I which didn't have heavy armor, and could be faster than a Heavy tank. Then we figured out how to deal with HEAT, with composites. Our modern day HEAT/Heavy Tank situation is APFSDS vs Armor that just can't be thick enough. You could make armor that will stop APFSDS, but it can't be a composite that resists HEAT, and vice versa. Armor is becoming rather useless again.

Could a composite that can stop APFSDS plus an active proctection system be the ultimate solution?

Exhar Khun my guess is that Israel hasn’t upgraded the gun because extra penetration with standard rounds isn’t a problems since Israel is not getting into combat with other tanks and is more concerned with infantry and argon/hollow charges. There is the possible Syrian or Iranian tank encounter but those tanks aren’t on the same level, protection or gun. The engine possibly interfering with thermals is also interesting but I thought the exhausts at the sides would divert most of the heat.

I don't think they are, seeing as the Leopards gun is FAR closer to the M1's and they can't share ammo without issues, I highly doubt the Merkava's shorter calibre gun can fire them without serious safety issues or mechanical issues. Red touches up on the "Hurr durr M1 uses the Leopard 2 gun" myth and points out the ammo isn't compatible.

@@dankoz6340 oh, sorry, what Syrians do you mean? there are 4 factions, one of which is equipped with Russian t 72s and t 90s (by factions I mean, lie 4 different groups that are fighting each other.)

@@_geck I'm guessing he's refering to the pro-Iranian legitimate government. Do Kurds even have any modern tanks besides T-90s?

Thanks for the answer, friends. A bit unexpected to me. I'm fairly well read on older tanks and given Israel's experience in the Yom Kippur war (where the US flew in actual US Army/Airforce inventory to replace Israeli losses) I've considered it kind of obvious that Israel would strive for interchangeability with US materiel. On the other hand, Israeli arms manufacturers have grown immensely since that time. Something interesting to read up on for me. Have a good weekend all.

The Archer barely moves to begin with

@flip inheck lol

I hate it cause it’s the worst tank in arma3

@@dondelchulia3189 Really? I almost feel like it's OP because of how the reactive armor works. In ARMA it can soak up ATGMs and even tank rounds like no other tank in the game.

The best tank is the Kuma-52, unparalleled accuracy and mobility. The T-100 is pretty garbage, and the Slammer is pretty damn close. The T-120 is…it exists? It’s cool but, idk. Thing kinda is too slow, and too big. The Kuma-52 also has less reactive armor but better composite armor. Also the Slammer has the nasty habit of being easily disabled due to the engine being in the front. ArmA 3 players don’t hate the Slammer because it’s futuristic, we hate the slammer because why tf is the US military using a Merkerva and not a Abrams? But I agree, the Slammer has the best ERA in the game but that comes with some heavy trade offs, like the engine being much easier to disable, it being much slower then the T-100 or Kuma-52, and having a larger profile then either of them. I have about 400 hours with the Slammer and about 1000 with the K-52. I’d agree it’s got the best ERA but its composite armor is lacking and its engine is a massive weak point. A lot of the times with hull hits that pen my Kumas I’m able to at least retreat, a lot of the times my Slammers just get disabled. I’d rather retreat to cover before bailing. Also, remember guys don’t forget to pack your tanks with spare medkits ammo and weapons. Happy hunting, get them CSAT bastards boys

I feel that there isn't a optimal principle for either - they cant manufacture equipment to satisfy hardware attrition, nor is the population large enough to bridge over substantial losses. If anything, I imagine their real policy is to get other western countries involved before either becomes a problem.

Another thing that wasn't considered was that by having variants of the same vehicle for different roles costs are greatly saved on maintenance and retraining, which has great long-term benefits

I can also say the same about the Abrams. I don't think there is a definitive "best MBT" since each tank is built to fulfill the role it needs to. The merkava MK4 will perform extremely well against middle eastern enemies such as Hezbollah, Hamas or Iran that still use old soviet tanks (or M60 tanks in the case of Iran) but the moment it sees a modern MBT it won't perform as well (though probably still better than the god awful T-90)

The armor isn't weaker. In fact it's superior to all counterparts. It has ERA integrated inside its armor, and its armor is made of modular, quickly swappable slabs.

the armor of the Markava IV is not weak. modern ATMs can penetrate the thickest armors you can imagine like butter, without an active protection system it does not matter how thick your armor is you will get popped..

@@introboy1 i haven't seen any combat videos of the trophy system working. only in test videos......

​@@introboy1thats quite a red flag already if you do believe

m1? abrams? l/55 rhm? wh the stabilization cut out? i mean..in leopard 2 the l/55 works perfect.

Nah the reason why the abrams still uses the l44 is because apperantly according to matsimus and some guy who imbestigates all kind of tank ammo, im not sure if it was his abrams or how tank armour works video, the depleted uranium rounds perform better in an l44 than in a l55 while giving the same penetration value as a tungsten round in an l55 gun. So a country which doesnt use depleted uranium, the l55 is better for anti tank purposes and for countries with depleted uranium rounds l44 is better.

The M1 was build for a 105mm gun. they had to change a lot just for the L44. It isn't like the Leopard 2 that was build with the 120mm L44 from the start.

@@23GreyFox l44 just refers to the length of the gun

@@a.t6066 I know that.

Keeping volatile rounds in the hull is technically safer due to the hulls of mbts having lower hit probabilities than the turret. In case of challenger it has armoured ammo bins for its propellant charges and with leopard it incorporates a mix of hull stored ammo and turret blowout panels. Blowout panels do not work 100% of the time due to the steel bulkhead having to be closed meaning if the loader has it open for reloading and the tank is hit everyone dies. Also if the bulkhead is penetrated by something and the ammo ignites everyone dies.

@@Powerof7even challanger has the advantage of 2 part ammunition meaning you only have to store the propellant and hesh rounds in armoured bins or blowout pannels. as you can leave the apfsds anywhere you want as there is no danger of them catching fire or detonating. i know challanger 2 can take a massive load of 62 rounds total im pretty sure it does have blowout pannels on the back ive seen footage of loaders taking propelant out of the rear of the turret.

Good question on the Hull being in front for IFVs! Actually no! Merkava used a Turbocharged diesel engine, unlike most IFVS! Especially the BMP series, Bradley, and other types! Like the Abram's Turbine, this type produces a shit tonne of hp, unlike the Russian Tanks (excluding the T-80) at the expense of higher fuel consumption!! As a result, they will produce an enormous amount of Heat that comes along with a large amount of Air blown out of the engine! Simple mechanical engineering here actually!! The heat graduation between the IFVs in general to the Merkava is what sets them different! Hope it helps! If i am incorrect, pls be free to correct me!

Its entire design is based on crew survivability, in that case, I find it to be an excellent design. throw in some blow out panels and it would be hard to improve.

@@roryforham Nah that's not a thing, there should never be propellant in the turret, in fact I believe they can come down pretty hard on you for having anything volatile in the turret. You're right about the apfsds heads though with them being inert DU and no danger to the crew. The heads of HESH rounds are still dangerous though.

syrians changed their tank doctrine entirely, now it's not considered a tank but a unit that operates with infantry for tactical manoeuvres, in general, in modern day powerful and portable AT equipment, tanks are obselet

@@SS-ql5mugggggg not obselet at all, with active protection systems tanks can now be immune to atgms and dumbfire rockets , thus any real threats may be only airstrikes and other tanks

@@tomblou1033 you don't really need to destroy it, disable it and that's it. It can only be used effectively if entrenched deep and defended, a tank formation can be held and harrassed by inflicting damage to command tank, a sitting 🦆. Been there done that.

@@SS-ql5mugggggg been sitting in a command tank taking fire ? Or shoting at it ? Well at that nothing stops armies from just putting aps on command vhicles

@@tomblou1033 no I'm glad I wasn't in a tank. We halted a Turkish leopard platoon advancing to Efrin, Syria. We recked havoc on them with simple SPG9. They withdraw after few hours leaving one tank behind that they couldn't even drag

Destroy heat munitions before they penetrate the back of the turret

shut the fuck up, boomer

What about the thermal sight on the merkava? Lmao

So it has magnet effect on javelin.

@@Frosty_357 trophy system will negate the javelin entirely so no biggy

@@xxdarkdiamondxx2998 how about to hornets in a row.. say 1/10 sec diff. what is the reload speed on the trophy?

@@xxdarkdiamondxx2998 besides.. i have wondered what happened with the infantry soldiers around the tank if the trophy gets activated ?