Fyi, Bart quickly put up two videos debunking this one for your viewing pleasure. I didn't want to burn time responding, but in one he found a cousin of mine who claimed dad was alcoholic. For dad's sake, I did publish a comment on that video. We'll see if it gets deleted: Well. I learned a lot from this video. I never knew my father was a heavy drinker and I lived with him from 6th grade until 12th and we were very close until he died. He had some martinis on the regular because one of the low carb diets he loved was The Drinking Man's Diet of the 60s, which sold 4 million copies. But I never saw nor heard of my dad being tipsy. Atkins had sold 10 million copies by 2000, but the sales dwindled then and they went bankrupt in 2005. We got our copy in 1972. I don't know who this is in the video but I guess I met him once at dinner in Canada and he met my dad once? I don't know where the idea that I said dad was on Atkins for 4 years came from. Dad was low carb from at least the 50s when there were so many popular low carb books on the market and the Pennington diet was so popular.
That's twice now in this video you've replied with some cheap shot at the man's character. You first asked me if he "lied" about his title. No... he's a professor. And now you are suggesting the man will delete your comment from his video... He has done no such thing and I wonder how petty you are with cheap shots. Here's his reply... Bart Kay 6 days ago I'll ask Scott if he wants to respond. However given your known proclivities for creative editing of truth, I'm inclined to go with what he said regarding your father's alleged alcoholism which has been described as well known to the family at large.
@Wisakedjak Archetype please tell us how is it possible that senior scientist received professors title, if he stayed away from universities and other institutions of that type. I'm really interested, because in my country that would not be possible.
@@quazilion No, You explain to me how mere heresy is enough for you? Shame on you. Why don't you try searching for the man's background before believing baseless allegations. Better yet, WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT HE IS STRAIGHT OUT LIEING? You child.
@@quazilion pretty simple really...you don't have to agree with Bart but he did attend many universities and taught and was a researcher for 25+ years...
@Doug W Two things. I've seen really bad and really good people at universities, so that is not really an argument. Sorry, but that's the reality. The second thing is that nothing so far indicates that he is a profesor. If that's the case, I would like to know how he got it and what kind of professor he is. Depending on country, that word has different meanings. It could be just a title, it could be a degree. You have to pass certain criteria to get it etc...
Animals cannot tell us they do not want to be eaten. We only know because they run away or fight back. Likewise plants do not want to be eaten since they too fight back with thorns and chemical warfare such as carcinogens, phytates, oxalates, lectins, and other toxins which upsets a predator’s physiology or hastens death. All plants are poisonous to some degree or they would have gone extinct. All living things strive to survive, thrive, and propagate their species into the future. Preying upon any life form is a moral equivalency whether you are omnivore, carnivore, or herbivore. No one who eats has any more "ethics" than anyone else. All excuses aside, unless you are an autotroph, you are not exempt from killing to eat. There are no, "yeah but ..." excuses. You are killing something that doesn't want to be killed. That’s reality, that’s life.
Bart Kay calls himself a professor but only holds a masters degree. That tells you everything you need to know. Of course he's never been a professor, except in his own mind.
I generally much prefer reading articles to watching videos because it's so much quicker but Chris's videos are always fantastically entertaining and instructive. What a nice man you are, Chris, and your wife looks equally witty and lovely! Much gratitude and appreciation for all the work that goes into what you do!
I have maybe commented about three times in my decade on RU-vid but feel compelled to say this: thank you so much for all the amazing work you do Chris. Your dedication to truth and science is commendable and you are doing all of this for us strangers on the internet to learn and be at our best and healthiest and you are not even profiting financially. Your videos are top quality and have positively influenced many peoples' lives (including mine) and will continue to do so. Thank you!
@@PlantChompers I like Anna am a very infrequent commentor. And all i can say is she summed up how I feel perfectly. You do a fantastic job Chris. Thanks so much.
I'm so glad that I found your channel. You got me off my high meat diet and back to eating the vegetables that I love. Your down to earth approach made me understand that Keto diets were death and I should be glad that I like vegetables and fruits too much to follow one. I now make fruits and vegetables that focus of my diet. I'm healthier as a result. Although like you, some people might think me too thin.
Thanks for taking the time to do this Chris. Your content is so well done. I know it takes a lot of your time, but I just want you to know that for we mere mortals it is much appreciated! It is so hard to know what is true for normal people who do not fully understand the research. Furthermore, it is made worse due to confirmation bias (we all want to hear good news about our bad habits), the tendency of industry to muddy the waters, and of course influencers that have incentives to promote misinformation without credible evidence. Thanks for all you do! Sincerely, Blake
Bart's the last person to talk about You Tube and making money... Really don't know how people can sit through his diatribe but they seem to. Blake is spot on!
Keep up the good work! If the evidence you've been presenting is starting to trigger the carni-trolls, then you know that it's working. I look forward to seeing your channel grow and gain more & more traction! You set an example in respect and dignity, something that's sorely missing in social media circles. I also respect your desire to maintain your integrity. I can attest to the constant barrage of spam that starts to flow into the inbox as a YT channel starts to take off. Everybody wants to buy and sell you.
Chris! I wish you knew how appreciated your work is. Bless you and your family! 👪 I've followed a whole foods vegan diet for the last 12 months. 20 servings daily of a combination of fruits, vegetables, whole grains and legumes. Bart's confusion about your father and your father in-law speaks volumes. Quite careless on his part. Same with the 7/22 countries studies.
Dump the grains, both whole and refined. Check out "Grain Brain" and "Wheat Belly" among other books. No good has come from the fifty year old GMO dwarf wheat which has taken over wheat producing farms. It's obviously unnatural and not appropriate for human consumption (nor animals).
Bart's pride in being driven out as a lecturer, the lack of evidence supporting the carnivore diet, and his matrix background would be comical if it weren't for people taking what he says as gospel. Keep up the quality research and presentation Chris you are a diamond in the financially motivated/soundbyte heavy RU-vid landscape.
Lack of research? Well millions of years of evolution isn’t research technically but maybe you should check in on some of the long time vegan influencers. I believe we are up to 17 that have been diagnosed with cancer or have had TIAs, strokes or heart attacks. How many carnivores are there? Take your time I’ll wait.
@@kingakuma7 our evolution began 7 million years ago. No we weren’t eating meat that long but we have been for most of our most advanced stage of evolution. Shocked you didn’t know that yet call me uninformed. 🫤
@@lozgod Playing right out of the Bart Kay playbook. No links, no references, no names...brilliant! Until you can back up your obtuse claims, you're no better than Bart.
I've seen two of Bart's videos, and something that immediately stands out to me is that he doesn't talk like a scientist. Scientists don't talk that way, not even some of the most arrogant ones I know of in hard sciences like physics talk in such a black or white sure way that he does. He doesn't deal with uncertainty or probabilities, everything he says is cold hard facts and anything slightly not aligned with that is just wrong according to him. Might be a persona he adopts to get him views, but it wouldn't get him anywhere in the scientific community except for the exit door.
Yeah I thought the same thing, he criticises epidemiology all the time so I kept thinking; what is this golden piece of evidence he has that we are all missing? But then he said "Carnivore is unequivocally the best diet for humans, which has been affirmed by the hundreds of ANECDOTES"
@@samdaniels2 Lol, it's not evidence unless it supports MY beliefs! In all seriousness though, I do remember him saying that epidemiology doesn't prove causal links, which is true. That doesn't mean it can show strong non-random correlation and be very useful and even inform actions.
@@samdaniels2 Bart literally denies the hierarchy of evidence. I've heard him say it during a debate. In order of importance, he weighs most heavily his own expertise as a senior scientist (his words), internet anecdotes, and mechanistic data. He has such malformed epistemic standards that it's basically pointless to engage, if his odious personality wasn't reason enough. I commend plant chompers for trying though. He'll probably make another 60 minute video in response because he craves attention and has nothing better to do.
You have just given him another 22 minutes of fuel. I'm sure he'll be delighted to drop another tedious monologue. It's crystal clear to many of us that Bart is a cold, mean-spirited, egomaniacal & self-absorbed individual. He likes to trumpet his own achievements and belittle others with a sneer and wave of his hand. Whereas you present as open-minded, humble and warm.
Insulin is a key to allow glucose inside the cell. This is it’s function. Our cells still need glucose to function. The problem is insulin not being able to act on the cell. Then you have a raised blood glucose level if insulin cannot do it’s job properly. Although the other problem could be reduced secretion of insulin from the pancreas due to some sort of disease like a failing pancreas or type 1 diabetes.
Chris, thank you for what you do! There are MANY of us here who appreciate the amount of research and references you put into Plant Chompers. I've found your channel to be very objective, informative and entertaining.
Brandolini’s law: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it”. Thank you for all the work you do in that monumental task, of telling the truth! This episode was gold!
Thanks! I thought a lot about Brandolini’s law as I did that long walk through the history of smoking studies, all to show that the magnitude of the saturated fat effect Ancel Keys saw was not far from the magnitude of effects from smoking. And I never got to all-cause mortality of the two.
@@PlantChompers Also on the "relative risk greater for smoking tho" point, it doesn't make sense to compare the risk for two diseases with significantly different baseline prevalences. The prevalence of heart disease in e.g. lower saturated fat consumers is almost certainly going to be greater than the prevalence of lung cancer in non-smokers, so the maximum possible relative risk for higher saturated fat consumption is necessarily smaller than it is for smoking.
I appreciate your efforts of making this world a better place, especially considering how many bad actors are creating friction and confusion to whoever wants to SIMPLY be healthy and live well. Financial interests, misguided anger or plain ignorance are far too common when left unchecked, so having you to instead promote those that are too busy to voice their knowledge is helping many to change for the better. Since march this year I've been fully vegan (WFPB) thanks to your episodes on "How long do health influencers live". Was 3 months keto before that; "traditional" meat-heavy even before. So really big thanks, for me you are a hero!
I'm on RU-vid more and more everyday and this channel is the BEST and most objective on what we should be eating that I have found. I have been on a two year journey on how I should eat as a type 2 diabetic and it's very confusing! Your channel has helped me! Thank you!! P.S. On a prior show a lady attacked you and your family for being plant based in a very rude way. You didn't get angry and responded with humor and facts. To me it spoke very loudly of your high character! Keep up the great work!!!
As a former high school science teacher, I applaud Chris for his in-depth research and efforts to bring the best available science to us Americans and those in other countries who also enjoy the Plant Chompers videos. Chris, I am grateful to you for posting your informative videos without any recompense. I recall my frustration in the late 1980s when I was trying to find good sources of information on nutrition and how to bring my cholesterol levels down. I came to learn that most newspaper articles just jump on studies when they come out and try to frame them to get readership with really no background context or next to none. And even Time magazine had what I consider a very imprudent cover story that butter was back, even though there is really no scientific doubt that saturated fat is not good to include to any great extent for many of us. It is sad that we really cannot simply rely on mainstream media to give us good, balanced articles on nutrition that really reflect the best ongoing science. That's why your efforts are truly admirable and sadly, desperately needed. I know many people with advanced degrees who somehow fear eating a piece of whole grain bread because it has carbs but do not hesitate to dive into ice cream and steaks despite their high fat and high saturated fat levels. Some people are lucky and may never have problems with high meat and dairy consumption, but others like me have to reduce meat and dairy to low levels to achieve good LDL and cholesterol numbers. Again, thank you very much for your great public service in educating us about reasonable, science-based nutrition and the benefits of higher vegetable, fruit, and bean intake with less processed foods.
I commend you for countering Mr. Kay’s accusations with such grace, class and dignity. What an egotistical, arrogant ‘professor’ who did nothing to lend credibility to himself. It amazes me that anyone would take him seriously, given his poor delivery and attitude. Red flags all over the place. Thank you for all your honest and hard work to make these awesome videos! Keep them coming.
@Dark Field Carnivore Except it does. If the one delivering them can't articulate the "facts" because he's to busy dribbling on the spit from screaming slurs. Hilarious to act like Bart is only delivering facts.
I previously tried to watch a few of Kay’s videos and found him so smug, insulting, and Napoleonic that I couldn’t stand it. The need to insult people the way Kay does everyone he disagrees with is a sure sign of an inferiority complex based on his baseless claims.
So when Marion said she thought Ancel Keys was great because she studied his works over the decades, Bart could have responded: "I disagree with her." He could even have given a reason. But he replied "Then she should be in prison." So you're saying those statements are equivalent? I grant you neither have facts, but...
Chris, your ability to stay humble and self-reflective in the face of such nonsense is admirable. Your episodes are well researched and presented with clearly cited scientific sources. Thank you, and keep up the excellent work.
I agree that Chris shows amazing patience with those who unfairly try to attack his good videos (reminds me of how the fossil fuel industry attacked the great climate scientist, Michael Mann, now at Penn) as well as others who are a bit inaccurate on their conclusions about healthful diets... Chris, I admire your graciousness and your ability to rise above the nonsense and intentional disinformation that is out there. Keep up the very important and good work!
You are amazing Chris!!!! I don't think I could have handled myself as well as you did in this video!!!! I was getting so angry just listening to Bart trying to debunk you, but you kept your cool and provided facts and references and that calmed me down!!! LOL Don't ever stop doing what you do!!!! You have a community on RU-vid that values you, your family and your content!!! Thank you again for all that you do. Looking forward to your next Plant Chompers episode. PS - just love your wife's input!!!! 😀
I want to genuinely thank you for what you do. You helped a nurse in Wisconsin engage with his coworkers and patients in a kind and understanding way that's sorely lacking in this field. I really mimick your lack of emotion to people who are emotional about diets. Have your wife keep plugging your channel! It's a treasure!
She's right. It's ridiculous that this channel doesn't have a million subscribers. It's not just interesting and informative but also funny and full of heart.
Chris, I very much appreciate the kindness you display as you navigate this online arena. I am sure it is frustrating as others do not respond to you and your work with the same professionalism. Thank you for the help you have been to myself and my family. We have watched all your videos since the beginning and have enjoyed watching our biomarkers trend positively as we learn from yourself and others. Likewise, you should know that myself and a number of my classmates at the state medical school I attend have utilized data gleaned from your presentations as we discuss the evidence-based role of nutrition in patient care. There are many of us which will strongly advocate for a plant-based approach in our future medical practices, and you have had a role in that. A friend from Utah, Matt
I love your wife's "Debunk that, sweetheart!" LOL One of the things that keeps me watching your channel IS all of the scientific data you bring, as well as how engaging the videos are. I have little to no time for people with giant egos and patronizing name calling as I saw in the clips you showed from Bart's video. BTW, you should make sure to encourage him to watch your 3 episodes on "How long do health influencers live?" The first episode showed up on my RU-vid feed's suggestions and I was hooked - but it would showcase for him real-life instances of length of life and health in different proponents of different diets. When all is said and done, I will place my recent blood work results side by side with any meat eater's and see who has more work to do on their health.
It's disappointing some humans feel the need to attack an individual just for promoting eating more fruit and vegetables. This is my favorite channel on RU-vid.
Carnivores (and their less extreme brothers in arms) are really just kids who don't want to eat their broccoli making up elaborate excuses why a diet of french fries and dinosaur nuggets is actually the best for their health. -You need to eat vegetables, they have many nutrients, they're good for you. -N-no, they don't have any nutrients, in fact, they have anti-nutrients, I need chicken!
Modern fruits are just toxic tree candies! Modern vegetables are less than 500 years old and are full of anti nutrients such as lectins, phytates, and oxalates ! EAT MEATS For an evolutionary appropriate human diet!
I'm glad you made this video. Bart is unnecessarily nasty to everyone he disagrees with. I'm glad you stood up to him and provided facts where he is wrong.
What's funny to me is I left a comment on one of Bart's videos once about how an omnivorous diet has worked for humans for millennia (the only difference being what people in different locations ate, not the fact that humans everywhere eat a balanced diet) and he just "screamed" WRONG at me for multiple responses along with his unhinged drivel. It was quite interesting to see actually.
Because naturally in the nature we would never eat mostly plants. They are just not available. Try to survive a whole in the northern forest or steppes or anywhere in the nature. You will soon find yourself hunting
My grandfather used to say:"The empty drum sounds the loudest". I'll get me coat, shut up and wait for another excellent episode. Thank you for creating informative content and not only noise.
'Professor' BK made several videos about me, as well. I was astonished by how incredibly mean he is, so about half way through one of the videos (where he made many errors in his 'corrections'), I turned it off and decided not to engage. Some of my friends (also PhD candidates) decided to watch more and reported back that they were blown away by how obsessively sexual and angry he gets, as well as being erroneous on many points. I also did a bit of digging on him, and you might be interested to know that he received his Masters, and was a PhD student (according to one of his studies he published), yet when he published again, his PhD student designation disappeared, so clearly he either failed out or quit. Either way, I wanted to listen to his take on my videos to see if I'd missed a point, but I didn't see the value - I'd rather let him yell into the abyss and engage with caring, respectful people like you, Chris. I've recently stumbled across your channel and really enjoy your videos - keep them up!
You and your Wife are a class act, an example of how to debate and exchange information. Bart comes across as a poisonous little man who trades insults and aspersions instead of information. Every accusation is a confession. Who would have thought motorcycles would improve my diet and longevity? Thanks Chris, your efforts are appreciated by a large number of people who just want to live their best lives, and maybe leave a better place for future generations.
Chris, for what it's worth, I don't comment on many videos but I was moved by how how vulnerable you were in this one. I've always wondered why I haven't seen any ads or product promotions on your channel. Your content is so good that I would happily let ads run to support your channel. It takes such a high level of patience and poise to do what you did in response to this so called 'Professor', so thank you for keeping the facts straight and doing what you do best: presenting the facts with science. You are one of a kind.
This is the first time I’ve ever commented on any RU-vid video in the years I’ve used it: your work is truly valuable and a human necessity in a world that is fast decaying under an ever increasing bombardment misinformation and outright fraud and the morons that peddle it as gospel. I hope you don’t stop.
Bart strikes me as being a perpetually angry person. If Bart has seen this video I'm sure he's in major meltdown mode- the poor guy has a fragile ego apparently. Good on you Chris.
@@PlantChompers he started swearing at you like a maniac! 😭😭 I only accidentally watched that part through a timestamp in the comments, I'm just annoyed I had to click on that video just to know who we're talking about, and now I hope RU-vid doesn't start suggesting his videos!!
@@theodora_pilates Yeah, I had one arm tied behind my back in responding to his video because I could only use clips that trended family friendly-ish, or as close to it as I could find. Some of it was seriously ugly or deranged.
@@PlantChompers I mean.. he taunted you and called you clown, maybe that's kind of family friendly still but what a tedious way of treating people. + your father(s) thing at the beginning just made me realize how vicious this dude is. What a d*ck (srry for no family friendly-ness)
i also tried to watch Bart's vide. But it is very hard to watch, not many arguments at all, mostly abuse, that and telling how great he himself is. Dont take this guy seriously, people like him make me appreciate you even more. Thank you
Any sane, decent, rationale human being would see that Bart is the antithesis of Plant Chompers' Chris. Bart is insufferable and Chris is awesome and doing great things for RU-vid and the world....
Thanks for everything you do Chris. This channel has been a huge resource for our family. I had no idea how much you had to put in to make these videos. Greetings from the growing plant based community in the Southern Appalachian’s.
In this day and age of short, sensational videos, catchy thumbnails, and screaming ALL CAPS titles ("REAL doctor PWNS Vegans! top ten foods you should AVOID at ALL COST!") , your outstanding, thoughtful, researched and above all: soft-spoken and balanced, videos do NOT go unnoticed, and your "Voice of Reason" does not fall on deaf ears. When I encountered your channel some months ago I was already doing Keto for a year and fully on the "Carbs are bad/the medical establishment got it all wrong" wagon since forever. At first I thought to myself : "eh, another biased vegan propaganda" "Ancel Keys killed more people than the black plague" (sorry). But I kept watching, and the more I watched your videos the more I was convinced. Even though I lowered my meat consumption considerably over the years before that (for ethical reasons), up until that point no vegan advocacy could change my mind regarding the health aspects - your videos did. Today I'm mostly vegetarian (with little fish sometimes) and trying to cut further on animal source foods. Keep up the good work.
He actually presented several facts. Plant chompers managed to avoid every one he brought up and focused on “Oh I’m doing it for money”. 😂 Or “he took a vegan supplement 5 years ago”. He didn’t bring up facts that Bart did and instead attacked Bart. That’s I can’t counter the facts debating 101.
@@lozgod Some facts for you: In randomized controlled outcome studies if the replacement for saturated animal fats isn't specified in the study then there was no difference in heart disease metrics (because people likely replaced the saturated animal fats with fatty carbs). All the pro saturated fat youtubers and docs latch onto these studies to confirm their bias. But if whole carbs were specified as the replacement then heart disease difference was obvious. Saturated animal fats caused far more heart disease than whole plant carbs. So ya I would bet my life that any studies showing saturated animal fats had no effect on heart disease rates that the replacement for those fats were not specified. Do you understand this? I can take a pack a day smoker and add 5 more cigarettes to his daily habit and show no extra mortality from smoking them. Does that mean smoking is safe and doesn't cause health problems? No, if you take someone that doesn't smoke and have them smoke 5 cigs a day then it would definitely show an effect. I hope you can understand the logic here and why studies showing saturated animal fats to be harmless are flawed studies.
There's a difference between disagreing on some topics and outright insult those who think differently from you. That's not how science works. But I don't expect BK to know that, after all academic life is not for him.
Agreed! His arrogance is what bothers me the most about him. He doesn’t even have achievements to back it up. It’s almost like he resents people who are accomplished.
Fame through infamy. He tries to boost his platform by being insufferable. It's not working too well for him. I'd have nothing against him if he'd stick to the point.
I don't comment often on RU-vid but feel compelled to, for solidarity! Thank you for your great work on this channel and offline -- this is about more than money. Anyone can use clickbait titles and say things to attract sponsors and audiences, but not you! I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this sentiment --I appreciate this. A sincere thank you for your integrity.
I doubt the data or the science matters much when dealing with people like Kay. He's not trying to prove you wrong, he's putting on a show for the benefit of his followers. They just want cover to continue doing what they're doing. It's purely performative rather than informative. I think those of us who subscribe to this channel already know that you are sincere and dedicated in what you do. So you don't need to debunk him - or every other clown - for our benefit.
You're right, he's as dedicated as any Jehovah's Witness who's ever knocked at my door. About as well versed in science as well. You're also correct when you write, "you don't need to debunk him ... for our benefit". Like the JW at the door, you're already a believer and no amount of discussion will change that.
Your channel is perfect. You refrain from using divisive language without ads. You’re doing something wonderful for the world. Truly. I wait for new episodes because I know I will learn. You teach without using fear or anger which is what so many of these other channels do. Keep up the amazing work! You’re my hero 😂🙌❤️
I got the message years ago and grown some my own food - dark green leafy plants are my favorite to chomp on. Thanks for debunking. It's necessary to help expose the charlatans.
So I watched about 20 minutes of a video of Bart Kay's yesterday (it was all I could take) where he basically did to Gil Carvalho what he did to you. Basically he tried to claim that Dr Carvalho was an incompetent sufferer of Dunning Krueger Vegan ideologue, which seems, apparently, to do whenever anyone expresses an opinion different from his. I have watched quite a few of his videos, and despite his personal diet, and general recommendations about diet, I have also seen him a number of times suggest that 1 the overall pattern is more important than an occasional deviation, and has said that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that fish can absolutely be part of a healthy diet... hardly positions taken by ideologues. In any case, his suggestion that an MD and PhD, the latter in biology from Caltech, is totally incompetent without any backing data other than his own assertions makes it hard to take Kay seriously as anything other than an attack dog. I have seen some Keto, Paleo and even Carnivore video channels before where the channel tries to play fair, looking at evidence (if selectively) and not going on ad hominem attacks.. .but this isn't one. Oh, just one other point. Kay, a man who is suppose to be trained as a scientist, and therefore logic basically seems to build his argument around several logical fallacies. 1. Ad hominem attacks. Basically attacking the speaker rather than the points they make (suggesting that you and others are ideologues, suffering from dunning-kruger, and are incompetent, without actually proving those points). 2. Appeals to Authority. What makes it worst, the authority he relies on is his own. 3. Straw man arguments. Essentially he misrepresents the arguments of you and Dr. Carvalho in order to make them easier to attack.
Thank you, Bill. I didn’t go into this in the episode, but does anyone know what his degrees are in and where & when he got them? It’s so unusual for someone to not disclose that. 🤷♂️
You are misrepresenting prof. Kays method 1. False. Colourful descriptions (insults if you insist) of Kays opponent has never been the argument. The argument has always been a statement of fact. 2. False. Appeal to authority was never the argument itself. 3. False. Did not happen. You should point what was the exact misrepresentation.
Sadly you do need to address individuals like Bart who have an audience. That said, the way you addressed Bart's comments head-on was a masterclass and will likely reduce others who try a similar tactic. Moreover, thank you for not debating Bart because society takes a step back when debating individuals like him who only look to insult with no or weak supporting data. I do hope more people recognize Bart for who he is and instead turn towards those who do the exhaustive research since anyone can insult and state figures with no supporting data. Sending big love your way for your channel.
Using that as an excuse to not debate is pathetic. When someone won't debate someone "who had weak or no evidence" that should be a red flag. If someone has no evidence of their claims, they should be incredibly easy to take down in a debate.
@@nathanshackelford7812 Hi Nathan, normally I would agree with you. However, I just don't believe because someone calls you out that you need to debate, especially given that one of them attempted to put down the other with opinions, not supporting clinical data. Also, Bart's style is that of a bully and Plant Choppers is literally the opposite of that. I simply believe when going into a debate that there should be an underlying respect for one another and Bart did nothing to demonstrate that, in fact, he did the opposite.
@@nathanshackelford7812 Debates don't change anyone's mind, they favor conspiracies due to putting them "equal" to science/facts. It makes no sense to debate someone live when you cannot do co-research. This is why peer-review is important to the scientific process. "Debating" is just a way to get clicks and try to "gotcha" one another.
As a fellow academic at the start of my career, I find your attitude and methodologies to fact checking, finding the truth and dealing with naysayers incredible. Thanks for the great work and being an inspiration!
I am currently reading the book "Mastering Diabetes" by Cyrus Khambatta and Robby Barbaro. I am so impressed with the scientific studies that they reference. It's almost overwhelming! I also recently attended the annual conference of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine. Again, I was impressed with the number of scientific studies cited that support a WFPB diet. From my casual observations (I'm certainly not an expert on nutrition), it seems that support for a keto or carnivore diet is largely based on expert opinion, hearsay, anecdotal evidence, or a handful of short-term studies. I'm sticking with my WFPB diet for the foreseeable future. Thanks again for another entertaining, informative, high-quality video.
Thanks! Dunno if you saw, but I did an episode with the mastering diabetes guys. Love them. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--_nXKpeZZFs.html
I will give the carnivores one thing: they don't have long term data that I know of showing anything, be it good or bad. We cannot say for sure their diet is unhealthy in the long run as we do not have the clinical outcome data.
Hey! You’re amazing and we all so appreciate YOU and everything you put out. Smart people know the difference between a charlatan and an honest person, and you sir are an honest person who cares about facts 👏🙏
I would like to thank Bart for helping me find Plant Chompers! I have subscribed, and rang the bell. What great, science informed content you are producing. And even if you have to reply to attacks from meatheads like Bart, his nitwitery has done some good by bringing you in front of new people to help spread the message! Keep up the great work!
@@PlantChompers Why not do his anti anxiety course and see if he is wrong? Scientists thought jibber jabber was okay, climate scientists mainstream say different to Ben Davidson at suspicious observers.
I am a hunter and a fisherman but plant chompers is my favorite RU-vid channel because of the due diligence that goes into each video with all the science to back it. Bart is an idiot with a big ego.
Your wife is a saint! Thank you for standing up to these jerks in a respectful, but firm manner. Someone should tell Bart that there are no studies to show that a carnivore diet is healthy because it is not! Don’t you think that if they could prove it in the slightest, the meat industry would be all over it. But he probably already knows that or will figure it out after his first heart attack or gout.
Who backs your so called science? Who owns all the plant agriculture? Big pharma? Monsanto? There actually are plenty of studies on the subject. Here's a meta analysis for you to look at. No conflicts of interest. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824152/
@@nathanshackelford7812 these people don't understand how corrupt and flawed so called nutrition science is. It's impossible to control for and just because you have a lot of garbage studies, doesn't make them any better. There are plenty of contradictory studies.
@@frankchen4229 Hi, Mr. Stalker who went through all my comments on this video. You clearly have no interest in the study, or you would have done a simple Google search instead of asking me to cite a study when you can't even post links in RU-vid comments. If you search Google for "Harvard Carnivore Study", the actual study is the third search result.
Great video! As always, thank you for spending the time making these high quality videos. It won't be the first nor the last time someone will try to debunk or have at your videos, but they will stand the test of time since they are really solid and founded on good faith, high quality scientific evidence. All in all, the carnivore diet will always increase the risk for cardiovascular disease, therefore it will never be recommended by any constructive nutritionist or Dr. A plant rich diet leads to great health outcomes and the great majority of the populace divert from the dietary recommendations very strongly and it creates errors in perception where people think the dietary guidelines are somehow flawed (they're not). Then you get people who create new diets such as the carnivore diet which might have short-term benefits anectdotally, yet these diets will always fall short since they are far too extreme - i only hope that this is a phase in the human mass psyche and that it will be over soon.
Thanks Ash! Sometimes I fret that we’ve gone through so many waves of high meat diets being popular - even the carnivore diet that Dr. Salisbury made so popular in the late 1800s. Meat is less healthy now and we have much more data, but here we are again. 🤷♂️
Bart proves that not everyone with a British accent sounds intelligent. Keep up the good work and it is apparent social media has way too many hucksters trying to cash in by telling people what they want to hear (ie., Eating at Five Guys every day will extend your life!) Cheers
@Pro-Vegan Anti-NASA English is not my native language and even I hear what part of the workd he is from. (Don't worry. We know there are plenty of nice people from New Zealand too).
I went Vegan for a year in 2021 to try and help with my long haul Covid symptoms (sleep problems and anxiety) and for general health reasons. I watched game changers, read some books, watched every Vegan video i could find and i noticed zero changes. I was eating mostly brown rice, tofu, veggies, nuts, seeds, fruit, lentils and beans. I noticed zero changes and i was hungry all the time and put on about 15 Lbs of what i would call unhealthy weight. I workout 5-6x week weights training, yoga, cardio. I went back to the Mediterranean diet for the following 2 years and still zero improvement with sleep, anxiety or anything else. As a last resort I decided to try the carnivore diet and I am 58 days in and here is what has changed: Anxiety has almost vanished Sleep seems to be getting better by the week and I haven’t slept this well in over 3 years. I fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer I am never hungry Gum disease has almost disappeared Food cravings have 99% disappeared My sense of smell has increased I stopped snoring at night My lungs seem to be improving and I can breathe much better (Asthma) More colour in my skin Overall I feel better than i ever have in my entire life. Whatever you choose to eat I hope it gives you all the results I’ve been getting from eating only beef, bacon, eggs, butter and cheese. I wish everyone well in their journey, whatever diet they choose to follow! 🙏🏼😇
Funny I switched from a carnivore diet to a mostly vegan one eating exactly what you listed and Have had all the same benefit's you listed in varying degrees. Everyone I know who switched off the red meats and dairy had similar benefits while those who have been eating mass amounts of meat continue to have poor health outcomes.
@85Funkadelic based on what? Many people have had great results with carnivore. But like everything, it's not for everyone. I just eat low carb, and my body feels better. No pain. Each to their own.
42 years old woman here watching from Australia 🇦🇺 switched to plant based after a diabetes scare, free of diabetes now. Thank you for helping us navigate the muddy waters of nutrion science 😀
What I can tell you is I was 300lbs about 10 years ago. I was eating the standard American diet following the food pyramid to a tee. I adhered to all the low fat option, drank "healthy" smoothies and ate my oatmeal daily with salads and low fat meat options and the weight just kept creeping up. I thought I must be one of those genetically over weight people. My wife would always tell people how "healthy" I ate and didn't understand why I could not get healthy and look healthy. So I tried to go vegan as I kept hearing I need to cut out the animal foods...so I did. I got an expensive juice machine, ate veggies until I was literally sick of them. That was the worst decision I've ever made. I go sicker, no skinnier and developed kidney stones, stomach ulcers and skin problems. After 2 years of that and felling horrible everyday, I was desperate and I started looking into other options. I found low the carb options and I went deep. Long story short, it worked amazingly. I was able to get down to around 240 lbs in less than a year but I was still having digestive issues as well as my ulcers and skin issues would not heal even taking more prescription drugs. As my diet evolved to what it is now...which is, strict carnivore, I am now 192lbs, I've train Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with no issues and my stomach and skin is completely healed and I'm on no meds for it. I'm sorry but eating vegetables is what my issue was all along. I'm am 100% convinced and no one will ever change that. I am my own study and I have never felt better in my life! How ever I did listennto guy like this guy and I did attempt to add veggies back in once and it was a horrible experience. It all started back up again, the stomach, skin and the I lost my health again. Our currently food pyramid is developed soly for economic growth to support a food industry devoted to the cheapest most profitable food they can make. They pay good money to the rule makers to keep it that way. They don't care about your health...end of story. So stay sick y'all...I'll enjoy my health and vitality eat all the animals you don't want... LMAO
This Bart is just so dazzled by his own superiority and the followers are supporting him blindly. In order to maintain a balanced mental health, nobody should look at all the rubbish YT contains. Luckily while following you and Dr Carvalho it has become easier to quickly filter the biggest particles of waste just by looking at the usually non-existent references.
@@PlantChompers Two shows I watch religiously LAST WEEK TONIGHT and PLANT CHOMPERS. In either case I have never said, “0h boy now that’s BS.” Keep up the amazing work Chris. BTW you really outkicked the coverage with your wife. She is a gem!!
@@robz.3225 Hahaha, thanks! I always watch Last Week Tonight too, even if the topic doesn't interest me and I wonder how John can get it right and make it sound important, but he always does. And he makes it entertaining even if it's not. He is a master and an inspiration to me and my tiny channel.
I watch a lot of videos on RU-vid, quite a lot on whole food plant based, but your video's I think are the best of the best, all ways very enjoyable and entertaining, and very informative, keep up the good work
You know you’re making an impact when people come out and slander you like he did. It also speaks to who he is. Thanks again for the great content. Your channel is truly top shelf
Please keep doing your videos. You’re sensible, scientific, open-minded and also come across as a really genuine guy. I say this as a PhD biochemist with a postdoc from Oxford. Nutrition experiments are much harder than something like enzymology where you can get a yes or no answer and control nearly all the variables. It’s incredibly important to have someone advocating for accurate science rather than pandering to what people want to hear about diets. Hopefully this “debunking” will help direct attention to your channel from people who are genuinely confused by these “professors” who resort to attacking your motives. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos. I’m hugely grateful.
Thanks! I am such a fanboy of Oxford because Richard Peto, Richard Doll, Joseph Poore, Myles Allen, Marco Springman, Our World in Data, yada. Oxford must be doing something really right to attract scientists at that level. 💪
@@PlantChompers I don't know much about theses people you have mentioned but that fact that you were able to rattle them off in your comment astounds me. Keep up the great work and indeed, the main thing I got from this episode and advocate along with a few other commenters, your wife is such a gem! Good for you and I hope you live to 120 years with her happily and intellectually!
You just watched a character assassination by false representation. It could be described as opinion but then same courtesy should be extended to prof. Kay as well. If you are happy to form your opinion on Kays position based on this it's your choice.
@@888jucu In the context of health sciences it is always courteous for us laymen to regognize the academic rank of the good professor Kay. Thank you for participation.
Hey. Bart Kay follower here, please don't hate me for it, we're not all hardcore nutcases :D I found this response video interesting and informative. I love to learn about nutrition on all sides, even if I have a bias for carnivore. Allthough there's a ton of research stating, that plants are good for human health, my body doesn't agree. I have tried both vegan and vegetarian diets and yes, I did it right. But I just got more Ill. It was only when going carnivore, that I got my health back, so I can't believe the science is correct. I'm not saying the scientists are making up stuff, but there has to be a reason, why a plant based diet, causes me and a lot of other people harm and we can only thrive on a carnivore diet. Maybe there needs to be more studies on this. Merry christmas all :D
@@PlantChompersthat would be great. I’m in the same boat. Eat only meat and I feel great. Eat a “healthy” variety and I feel crap. Not saying that means an a meat diet is the healthiest option and to be honest it probably isn’t and probably leads to high ldl and higher risks of heart problems. But what’s the alternative? Feeing crap every day
I somehow found myself here and while I am ketovore, I don't enjoy the way Bart Kay makes fun of, and ridicules people. He's arrogant and I prefer a more humble approach. I also like to hear both sides of any position. I will keep listening to you!
I'm quietly content that many years ago now I was the first to compare Bart Kay to Cartman from South Park. "Respect ma authority!" (senior scientist, blah blah blah).
After watching Chris and Toni handle themselves with such grace, humor and FACTS in the face of internet rubbish, I read through the comments section to reaffirm my confidence in the good of humanity. The community of folks (fans) writing their commendations and support is uplifting and so deserved. 600+ of you commenting! Well done, Chris, keep it up, can't wait for the Lisa Mosconi episode.
Chris! YOU ARE A SAINT! You provide well researched, clearly understandable content for nutrition Nutcase like myself and others of any age! I love your video's and the community is better with them and you in it. Don't let the internet trolls and conspiracy people drag you down, can't wait for your next video!
This reminds me of when Chris Kressler trashed The Game Changers on Joe Rogan. James Wilks then pleaded with Joe to let me come on to defend his movie, and they invited Chris to the show and it was a smackdown. "Prof" Bart is in it for the drama. Stay classy Chris. We love you just the way you are.
Ah, Bart Kay, I forgot he existed and it was a nice respite. In a way, being singled out by that man is a kind of positive feedback: He never picks fights with anyone unless they oppose his absurd ideas and/or are credible professionals in the sciences--at which he is an abject, well-known failure--themselves, so kudos!
I have many RU-vid channels that I love, so many incredible creators out there… but Plant Chompers is quite possibly my favorite. I’m exactly that person who is trying to make sense of all the data out there. Was paleo first, considered Keto, then vegetarian, now vegan. And it’s channels like yours that helped me come to the conclusion that plants are the way to go and that there’s good science backing that decision up. Thank you so much for all your hard work!!! I was one of your early subscribers, and knew I found a gem!!! Keep making the videos, they make a big difference. Looking forward to the next video! PS I could hardly stand listening to a few minutes of that Bart Key guy (the arrogance!)… hats off to you for being able to watch the whole thing!
Nobody presents research on this topic the way you do Chris. Don't let these jokers rock your boat, it's clear to see who the clean-hearted truth seeker is and who the deluded ego-driven, money chasers are. You set them straight in a way that allows for no come back. Here's a quick laugh: Someone promoting a carnivore diet selling a vegan supplement..... Pay attention to his body language and the way he can't control his words like a grown adult choosing to try and throw abuse at you in a child-like fashion. You are always the professional gentleman. Keep pushing the truth buddy
Dude you are one of my favorite nutrition type channels, and for good reason. Don't let those who stimulate themselves with hate bring you down. For every one of them, there are thousands who appreciate your work and personable disposition.
As a New Zealander I would like to apologise on behalf of the nation for Professor Bart Kay. It is an unfortunate problem in New Zealand that opinion pieces masquerading as science are rife and the lack of an effective media to deal with these bad faith actors means they spread.
As a New Zealander, thank the Lord for Bart Kay who is around to debunk these vegan dipsticks like you and the clown that runs this Plant chomper channel.
@@ronaginat4719 his actual job titles have been lecturer which usually indicates a non-tenured teaching position. Professor's are usually several promotions above that and have tenure. Bart's last publication was more than a decade ago in 2012 and was a small exercise study. That and the handful of previous sport/exercise publications having nothing to do with nutrition and diet.
You are awesome as a presenter, and I’m both sorry you’re getting slammed by other RU-vidrs and happy you’re getting notoriety. Perhaps people will look at your channel because they’re unwittingly promoting it. Also kudos for you on not taking the bait to the Lion’s den. All it would it would result in is increasing his cholesterol. Lion’s dens are never fair, since typically anything that enters the lion’s den that isn’t a lion is food. Also, I hope to see your Brain Food episode, because I have questions and your channel teases out a lot of information. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! WIll your wife ever get her own RU-vid channel? I think that would be cool.
Kay makes everything personal. Ad hominem and dogmatic declarations are top tier evidence according to him. It's quite amusing how sure he is of himself, while he (in a breathtaking irony) accuses Chris of falling victim to Dunning Kruger. I mean....he's joking, _right?_
Being incredibly certain about how trends play out in a field that is highly comples and there often isn't one answer (i.e. all calorie restrictive diets help with weight, not just carnivore or vegan or Mediterranean or low carb or whatever) is a yellow flag at least, if not even just a huge red flag. In physics, there is one correct answer for an equation. But not so in a field like nutrition. But then you have these people strongmanning their own views and pretending like they have the "one true truth" and that is what some people want to hear (easy simple answer to a question that can't have easy simple answers) and will thus drive viewership, so people will do it. Its gross, and unethical, but there really isn't a consequence for doing it, so people are incentivized to do it. Not to even get into the Ad hominem and dogmatic declarations, etc.
Chris, Thank you so much both for sharing such valuable life-changing information, and also for responding in such an intelligent, civil, gentle manner. Honestly, I was also attacked by the good "Professor" for my views as a 35-year vegan, 31-year raw vegan, and fasting practitioner, and chose not to even respond. If I had, I'm not sure that I would have been able to be so generous and kind. I appreciate that you chose to take the high road and would love to be able to emulate your fine example.
Thank you! He and his followers are chasing me around on all the channels, but from what I can tell the comments are just noise and high emotion. I guess I’m resigned to never understand it. 🤷♂️
@@PlantChompers There is no understanding this kind of insanity, Chris. I guess with no science or logic to support their ideas, these folk use intimidation and bullying to make their points instead. I was asked if I would debate Bart, but that seems like a misguided and masochistic endeavor when the prospective opponent seems to believe that the rudest person wins.
i can never understand why people like Bart go after people like you. You are one of the most articulate resarchers i watch. you keep the technical crap easy to fathom. i fell down the vegan rabbit hole hard. only to realize everyone needs to eat what is most beneficial to ones own body type. i am totally plant based. i just don't buy all the bullshit out on side on the coin. keep up the good work, i toally enjoy your channel, cheers and peas!
Envy. Bart becomes enraged when he sees anyone who maintains credibility in the sciences. Which he completely lacks. He did not leave academia; academia didn't want him.
He "goes after" the likes of Plant Chompers because he firmly believes they are wrong and are only perpetuating a big problem. Whether you agree with him or not that is the reason, not because he is an online bully or whatever you may believe. He has his own method and character he plays for entertainment to increase his audience base. In Barts mind he is doing what's right and is trying to make a living out of it.
Another amazing episode and your lovely wife is right! While I appreciate how humble you are, don't let all of your hard work be hidden. Chris, I feel so lucky to have found you and others like you on You Tube. I know you have changed my health and my family's health for the better. Please do the things to get greater exposure! Thank you for the research you do, your sense of humor, and your expertise.
We have known for a long time who's the actual clown. It's embarrassing for "the professor", but I can't feel sorry for him as he totally creates this for himself.
Excellent response, Chris. I'm a Scientific Literacy professor and it is amazing how one can be blind to alternative perspectives despite data to the contrary. Bart's lack of rigor is the direct result of his bias. I used to host a radio show many years ago and I remember thinking I was so smart. The more I learned, the more I realized that I knew very little and it humbled me to be more diligent in my research and in fact-checking. Bart doesn't seem to have reached that level yet. Intellectual humility is one of the great hallmarks of a critical thinker. Keep up the amazing work!
There's no shortcut to doing the right thing, in science as in youtube it seems and you don't - I share your stuff every chance I get, and it is always of the highest quality that a non-scientist (like me) can manage - a model for cross-disciplinary science, media and business analysis while also being entertaining and ethical content. There are so few people doing this work in this way please don't allow for a second the likes of 'Professor' Kay to stop you from doing the great work you do so well.
WOW Chris, way to re-establish the truth and debunking the conspiracy theory fans. So much looking forward to your next episode on Brain Food. You are a passionate truth seeker. Looks like your wife is keeping you grounded. Nice balance.
Not sure if anyone else has said this in the comments, but take note! When people like this man Bart Kay begin to feel like they need to comment on what you are doing, you are doing something right. You are rattling their cages and they are trying to make you stop. What they don't realize is that old adage of 'no such thing as bad press' applies here. It may 'look' like bad press, but it isn't. It's a sign you are making progress and being seen. I so appreciate the contributions you are making, Chris. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I love your channel, your sense of humor and your approach. It may take another 50 years (let's hope not!) but the science will, finally, win out. All the best.
Thank you for taking such care in making all of your episodes. The internet could use more people of such integrity. I would happily pay money if you ever felt like the channel needed it, but until then, I'll continue to hit the Like button as enthusiastically as I can. :)
I watched the whole video in question. He seems like a rude and unpleasant man with too much confidence in his own abilities. Amazing you dignified it with an answer.
Chris, you are very good at what you do - extremely thorough in your explanations and also citing the necessary evidence while being classy and ethical. Keep up the great work! I sure learn a lot from your channel.
Every video from you is an inspiring lesson! Great work! I'm always looking forward for your next video! And thank you so much for all the links and references you make available in every video!
I was delighted to see a video trying to cut you down a notch. I too have my bones to pick. Like all of those books you buy. I am spending too much money buying them. I also spend too much time checking out all of your reference. Your producing a video once a month is as much as I can stand. Finally after I made plant based comments on carnivore channels, I think we both need to steel ourselves. Keep up the good work.
