Profitec Pro 400 : Unboxing, Startup, & First Use Livestream 

Hey MrC, Thanks for sharing - has mom ever pulled your 800? Marc

Y'all must be rich!

Hey tj, Thanks for the comments - very familiar with the wife approval story hahahaha

May be turned off with the machines with flow control

I just purchased this with the flow control option, and it does still have the mechanical preinfusion option. I haven’t started playing with the flow control yet, so I have the preinfusion turned on

My bad - I almost always use the machine with flow control.

Hi amac, Thanks for the report and your patronage. Keep up on the routine maintenance and use good water and you should be able to say the same thing a decade from now! Marc

What was price ? Has it ever been on sale ?

@@moealyasini2784 here's current pricing at $100/off at the moment: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-400-espresso-machine-with-flow-control-and-walnut

@@Wholelattelovepage thank guys !! About to pull the trigger and order it but first I have 2 more questions: 1-Are there any sales coming up for any holidays etc.. has this machine been cheaper ? 2-is the stainless steel without the flow valve you installed cheaper ?

Hey s, that's wonderful!

Hey mp, Congrats on your new machine and thanks for the comment! Marc

Hey a, The machine is listed at 47.4lbs. For shipping add 10lbs.

Hi alfie, Thanks for the request! I have done tests of the Pro 400! You can see them in my full review of the machine here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0uC6iQoCWSI.htmlsi=aK5QcWfwNyXcbR6d&t=361 Marc

Hi s, If you got the machine from us it definitely is. Please contact our tech support here if you have not already done so: support.wholelattelove.com

@@Wholelattelovepage I did and customer service was absolutely fantastic

Hey max, We do have wood upgrade components but only ship to US/Canada at this point. Profitec/ECM does have custom wood available. I'd contact them directly and inquire about dealers in your area. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks :-) I have friends/fam in both us and canada than can receive package and rerute to me if P/Emc dont have / can help . could you link me to the product page ( ore is it a sold by question only)

@@maxsollie Here's a link to individually available Profitec wood accessories: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/wood-accessories?pf_v_brand=Profitec Steam/hot water knobs not available at this time but there are wood and concrete portafilter handles. Be aware those only work with twist and change portafilter heads. Marc

Hi ct, Thought I replied to this a few hours ago. Did you post same question on another video? If I didn't, know I'll have a video dropping on the TCA sometime this week. Until then here are my thoughts and some test results... TCA highlights: Build quality: love the new look of the E61 group. Base frame is one continuous piece. No welds, rivets or bolts holding drip tray support to mainframe. It's decidedly (subjectively) a bit "sexier" than the Pro 400. I like the dimensional ROCKET logo lettering on the rear. The case metal is relativerly thick and I like the curves. Temperature test results using Pesado TPD Setting: Average Temp, Max temp, Boiler Pressure Low: 196F, 196.7F, 1 bar Medium: 200, 200.6, 1.1 High: 203, 204, 1.2 Very High: 208, 208.4, 1.35 Steam tests - time in seconds to steam 5ox milk from ~40F to 140F Low: 25 Medium: 19 High: 18.5 Very High: 18 Both machines available with flow control. P400 has externally adjustable brew pressure, TCA adjustment is internal. P400 has dual gauge from brew and steam pressure. TCA has steam pressure only. Note: if equipped with flow control you'll get brew pressure from group mounted gauge Temperature adjustment: P400 uses a switch. TCA uses E61 lever in programming mode so a little more effort to change temps. TCA has a new steam tip design which our staff loves! Produces excellent roll even at low temp setting. Flow control on TCA is a little different as flow rate does not exceed stock of ~7g/s when valve is fully open. P400 reaches ~10g/s when fully open. Note: using flow rates >stock is rare. Price: TCA is more $$ Machines equally capable. Some of the extra cost is in the look of TCA. If you get the TCA be sure and turn off ECO mode or boilers start to cool down after 30 minutes - drove me nuts! P400 has 3 temp presets, TCA has 4. My guess is most users will only use first 2 on P400 and middle 2 on TCA. But on P400 you can quickly use switch to kick up the steam power a bit. Don't really need (nor is it practical) to kick up steam pressure on the TCA with excellent frothing power at all temps. Hope that helps! Marc

Hey joe, thanks for the question. It's a bit more of a process to make milk drinks on the Classika as you cannot brew and steam simultaneously and there's a wait of ~1 minute as the machine heats from brewing temperature to steaming temperature. Following steaming the boiler needs to be manually cooled down. On the other hand, there's degree by degree PID control of brew temperature which can be useful if doing specialty grade coffee. The 400 has PID but operates in general temperature ranges. Cooler for darker roasts and hotter for lighter roasts. For many, that's precise enough. On the 400 you can brew and steam at same time and there's no extra step of cooling down the boiler. If you want super precise brew temp control and don't mind the wait and extra effort when making milk drinks the Classika is a good choice. If getting geeky with brew temps on specialty grade coffees isn't too important to you then the Pro 400 gets the job done with less fuss. Hope that helps! Marc

Marc, what a thorough and comprehensive answer. I think the profitec pro 400 will be going in the cart. Again, thanks for taking the time to answer, you’re the best!

It's what we do!

Hey joe, see my previous response with thoughts on your selection. Marc

Hi s, Thanks for the question. There are many different types of Brita filters. Some just do particle and activated carbon filtration so they do not soften the water or reduce the mineral level to prevent scale. Brita may offer filter options which soften the water. If the filter does that then it could work. Many softening filters uses sodium to replace some of the calcium in the water. That's why we prefer the BWT options which use magnesium to replace some calcium. In taste tests magnesium is preferred over sodium as a flavor extractor. Marc