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@firstoffthereswayfarersbau4140
@firstoffthereswayfarersbau4140 4 года назад
2:38 First off there's Wayfarer's Bauble.
@mikelong2756
@mikelong2756 4 года назад
You made it didn't you😂
@imperialphoenix1229
@imperialphoenix1229 4 года назад
Doing the Lord's work
@philiphunt-bull5817
@philiphunt-bull5817 4 года назад
A _real_ god.
@xavierjimenez6592
@xavierjimenez6592 4 года назад
First off, theres wayfarers bauble
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai 4 года назад
Not to undermine the joke, but he actually says “First _up_ there’s Wayfarer’a Bauble.”
@jayseph9698
@jayseph9698 4 года назад
Any decks with removal: *exists*. Turbo fog Progenitus: Now this looks like a job for me
@Casey-cy6ph
@Casey-cy6ph 4 года назад
So everybody, just follow me
@Trooper_No.2102
@Trooper_No.2102 4 года назад
@@Casey-cy6ph guess who's back?!
@Semmelein
@Semmelein 4 года назад
This comment just won the internet! Thanks for the laugh! 😂
@Casey-cy6ph
@Casey-cy6ph 4 года назад
@@Trooper_No.2102 Back again?
@bart0nius
@bart0nius 4 года назад
Casey0706 Shady’s back??????
@petegriswold
@petegriswold 4 года назад
Progenitus Strengths: Yes Weaknesses: No
@daredewley9231
@daredewley9231 4 года назад
Whoa when i started this vid i was thinking "i wonder if you could just turbo fog and ramp, i bet thats what mitch would do" and then you said turbo fog. Mind blown.
@joelhaggis5054
@joelhaggis5054 4 года назад
It's what I would do as well.
@daredewley9231
@daredewley9231 4 года назад
I guess im kind of a goof for not seeing "turbo fog" in the video description but I swear i just saw progenitus and speed clicked
@manwithabasicprofilepic
@manwithabasicprofilepic 4 года назад
@@daredewley9231 Don't worry, I did the same thing.
@lucatraverso3495
@lucatraverso3495 4 года назад
I love this deck, thank you Mitch! I thought about two reasonable upgrades: - Aetherspouts, for obvious reasons, it's a 5 mana much more violent aetherize - Mystical Tutor, not only for the tutoring itself, but also because with this one your opponents will automatically know that you have an Aetherize, Aetherspouts or Reins of Power in your hand and they could be reeeaally deterred from attacking; it can save you from more attacks than a fog for sure
@SilvanOrion
@SilvanOrion 4 года назад
I loved watching this vid, as one of my best friends made a Progenitus deck back in original commander release. A simple 5 dollar or so addition I'd suggest is Rafiq of the Many. Has exalted and if a creature attacks alone it gains double strike. Combine that with the golden pig of this deck and you not only 1 shot someone, but you get to end a second person as well. A 1v1 situation with an instakill Progy is more than enough reason for me to wanna scoop (and I have on many occasions against my friend's deck).
@jayfeather7676
@jayfeather7676 4 года назад
Progenitus has been my favorite card for years but i was never able to figure out a commander deck that really focused on playing WITH Progenitus, thank you so much for this episode
@jaredchristman3380
@jaredchristman3380 4 года назад
Mitch, this is a great deck and a fun way to take the commander. As an affordable upgrade, might I suggest including a Pramikon, Sky Rampart. It flat out disallows two opponents from attacking you, let's you choose which two, and only costs 3 mana. Thanks for another awesome deck tech!
@PokingMangoes
@PokingMangoes 3 года назад
Pramikon screams "tempting removal target" in a deck that nearly blanks creature removal otherwise.
@ExaltedMarauder
@ExaltedMarauder 3 года назад
What if you are playing 1v1 though?
@friedpinnapple
@friedpinnapple 4 года назад
This is great. I once thought about building exalted progenitus but ended up scraping the idea when Sisay weatherlight captain was spoiled (part of the motivation was just having a 5 color deck and i was actually excited for sisay)
@slifer867
@slifer867 4 года назад
Hey Mitch, mystery booster reprints have dropped a lot of card prices. Commanders like meren are now cheap enough for you to make a deck tech. Do you plan on taking advantage of this?
@velocevisrin5060
@velocevisrin5060 4 года назад
He could still make dech techs on them previously he just doesn’t include the commander costs with the deck
@velocevisrin5060
@velocevisrin5060 4 года назад
@Nick Fanchette Did you see that steal enchantment jumped $5 because someone bought them all out.
@horaciogovea7433
@horaciogovea7433 4 года назад
YES ! MY FAVOURITE COMMANDER ! Thank you so much for this! I have had a progenitus edh voltron hug for years now and it is my most beloved deck, I am glad to see that other people also appreciate the power of the soul of the world!
@neilarnold5506
@neilarnold5506 4 года назад
Love Progenitus, and this take on it is just great, thanks def got a new view on how it can be built
@seraphboram2474
@seraphboram2474 4 года назад
Man, I was just doing some research into building a Progenitus deck this morning. Excellent timing!
@ShinraTenseiPain1
@ShinraTenseiPain1 4 года назад
Nicely done with this deck tech. I might actually build this and invest in it over time
@Eddyb1e
@Eddyb1e 4 года назад
Nice. I was looking to retire the previous 5 color deck I’ve been playing, your sliver hivelord build, and now I found the replacement.
@BenortheLionheart
@BenortheLionheart 4 года назад
Since there's a lot of two cost instants in this deck, an Isochron Scepter would allow you to fog even more often. It's about twelve bucks right now for one, but well worth it in a deck like this.
@InfinityRift7
@InfinityRift7 4 года назад
Hey Mitch, this is a fantastic direction you chose to go with for Progenitus! He is my favorite legendary creature apart from Golos and was my first commander for my 5C deck, so I was very excited about this episode. However, I do think that there’s one card that you’ve forgotten about for a fog strategy, and that’s Aetherspouts! An instant that forces an opponent to redraw their creatures and/or “Terminus” them to the bottom of their library is a HUGE tempo gain, especially against go wide token strategies. Just thought I’d bring the card up. Looking forward to the next one!
@bluedog4248
@bluedog4248 4 года назад
YES! I’ve been wanting build one. Thank u mr. Mitch
@annemorganna8312
@annemorganna8312 4 года назад
That mana cost shall be called TWUBRG from here on out. Twice WUBRG. Pronounced Two-berg
@NecromancyForKids
@NecromancyForKids 4 года назад
Or you can just elongate each syllable. "Wwuubbrrgg"
@techoutsider5631
@techoutsider5631 3 года назад
I say WUBRGWUBRG
@Semmelein
@Semmelein 4 года назад
Oh god! I always wanted to make a Progenitus deck, more than anything else, and this is just genius! Love it! ❤️
@piratecpnjack
@piratecpnjack 4 года назад
THE HYDRA LORD APPROVES OF ALL OF THIS
@Yesnog05
@Yesnog05 4 года назад
I have a progenitus deck as well! I added true convictions, rage reflection, and berserkers onslaught for a double strike anthem as well as adding creatures with exalted to beef up progenitus as he attacks solo. Fog and ramp is a must as well.
@flamboyant47
@flamboyant47 4 года назад
Thanks for all you do
@notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423
@notsuspiciousthejudgmental2423 4 года назад
Finally. The soul of Commander’s quarters has returned
@HiroZeroVirus
@HiroZeroVirus 4 года назад
one of my favorite combat damage limiters is Silent Arbiter. i have shut down many games by making any attacks useless. once i even played it against a battalion Najeela deck, boy were they absolutely livid with that!
@brittanynfanning
@brittanynfanning 3 года назад
Just coming back to say how helpful this video was! You're amazing! This deck if 3-0 against OP decks 10x the price no joke. So I wanted to say thank you and I love the deck. Only thing I struggle with is board wipes but that's just how it goes. Hope the Golden Pig playmat comes back into stock and being able to buy a commander's quarters shirt and hat would be awesome to support you but I see none on your website. Best wishes!
@jarltryggvi
@jarltryggvi 3 года назад
In the process of making my own version of this deck. Thanks for the info man
@kaster108
@kaster108 4 года назад
Progenitus is my favorite commander! Thank you mitch.
@c1ubfub771
@c1ubfub771 4 года назад
I've always wanted a cool way to make progenitus
@horaciogovea7433
@horaciogovea7433 4 года назад
I would also suggest you check out my list for a voltron hug progenitus! tappedout.net/mtg-decks/progenitus-voltron-hug/
@brandonteppelin6353
@brandonteppelin6353 4 года назад
We need a deck for Cromat haha
@Aaron-qe9ms
@Aaron-qe9ms 4 года назад
100%!!!
@bainebarray
@bainebarray 4 года назад
Been hoping for this commander
@brentwalker9576
@brentwalker9576 4 года назад
Oh so THIS is why I run Opal Eye the foxamurai, circles of protection, and Story Circle. Thanks for reminding me! 🧐😉 In seriousness, I'd say Progenitus is a great commander for the turbo-fog strat since you can focus on ramping, drawing, and blanking aggression until it's time to strike. I'll probably try a deck similar to this soon(ish).
@PeteB90
@PeteB90 4 года назад
Nice one mate. This makes me wanna rebuild my Progenitus deck as it will work now =D
@Snaglbeest
@Snaglbeest 4 года назад
I was just playing with Progenitus in my Golos deck the other week. I was able to drop him off of a Dragon Arch. It was a great game.
@niven7953
@niven7953 4 года назад
Progenitus is an interesting commander for turbofog because the cards that loop fog effects easily require a lot of colorless mana, ex. Pauper Fog Tron, but Progenitus needs a bunch of colored mana.
@insignia9028
@insignia9028 Месяц назад
I used this deck with some modifications and this is without a doubt my best deck
@catoticneutral
@catoticneutral 4 года назад
Displacement Wave is a great thing to run in this because your only creature has cmc 10 so you'll rarely ever have any casualties on your side from casting it
@suddendairy
@suddendairy 4 года назад
Card suggestions: Mystic Barrier; at most you'll only have to fog once each turn and for the most part you don't need to swing at the opponent diagonal from you. Silent Arbiter; gaining life from Ravens and other cards is great, but being more able to stockpile fogs for later is greater(or Crawl Space). Future Sight is a wonderful card advantage generator and may also discourage attacks if you reveal a fog on top. Sigil of the New Dawn; allows for recursion of creature-based fogs and can save Progenitus from too many commander taxes.
@danieluroz8659
@danieluroz8659 4 года назад
This is bonkers. I love it!
@magnustelvallo2254
@magnustelvallo2254 4 года назад
One of the decks that started my playgroup was a Progenitus turbo fog.
@connorl0204
@connorl0204 4 года назад
Spike weaver is a pretty cheap card creature that can fog multiple times, im surprised it didnt make the cut.
@davidstockton5675
@davidstockton5675 4 года назад
It would have, but wayfarers bauble took up too much of the budget to include spike weaver.😂
@Dracomandriuthus
@Dracomandriuthus 4 года назад
Spike weaver may have been too niche for him to know about it.
@weegeelinguini3704
@weegeelinguini3704 4 года назад
It's almost $5, he doesn't include sol ring because it's $4
@connorl0204
@connorl0204 4 года назад
Holy crap i didnt realize it was that expensive. With it being in the mystery boosters hopefully that drops the price a bit so that it can come up in future videos.
@tonyamcfarland2266
@tonyamcfarland2266 2 года назад
Thanks for the prices and card info!
@chrisgallo2236
@chrisgallo2236 4 года назад
Use something like Berserker’s Onslaught that doesn’t target but just gives your attacking creatures double strike. That mixed with Finest Hour knocks two people out one turn because you can attack two people per turn.
@thanospapathanasiou2406
@thanospapathanasiou2406 4 года назад
In the mana base you could add some gates since they are good at mana fixing and you can even get them with circuitous route
@sharpie11112
@sharpie11112 4 года назад
Another cheap and powerful upgrade is put in Magic Mirror for Otherworld Atlas
@adamfudge9248
@adamfudge9248 4 года назад
rafiq of the many works just like finest hour for this deck. if you have both out you can kill 2 players on the same turn! In my progenitus deck I included medomai the ageless and temur ascendancy so i can swing and get some extra turns.
@6LordMortus9
@6LordMortus9 4 года назад
Love the deck idea.. I have played with Progenitus myself and this is a nice change. As far as the video goes.. were you in a hurry to finish it? You ran through it so quickly!
@mullac0107
@mullac0107 4 года назад
Looks like it would be great fun to play! I was wondering if there would be any way to tune it more towards group hug a bit though? Like Tempt with Discovery in the ramp package etc
@chrisgebben2043
@chrisgebben2043 4 года назад
i wanna note based on maros tease about ikoria were probably getting a lot of ramp toys for progentius here
@jordanbeckstead3160
@jordanbeckstead3160 2 года назад
Reins of power is fun if someone cyclonic rifts (overload) cause you give all your creatures the opponent and they stay on the board, while all their creatures get bounced back to their hand. It feels so good. 👍
@SomeGoodBroth
@SomeGoodBroth Год назад
New player and as soon as I heard of this card and immediately wanted to play him
@horrorhej777
@horrorhej777 4 года назад
I think this is my next commander deck
@MJFSIXTEEN
@MJFSIXTEEN 4 года назад
a fun perpeptual fog combo is Roaring primadox+archaeomancer
@josephs.4813
@josephs.4813 4 года назад
I’ve always wanted to build Progenitus
@horaciogovea7433
@horaciogovea7433 4 года назад
I have an original list for you if you are interested ! Progenitus voltron hug !
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai 4 года назад
horacio govea I’m curious how you do Voltron with Progenitus
@JadeTheGreenRabbit
@JadeTheGreenRabbit 4 года назад
Now that's a deck I dream of
@autobotjazz1972
@autobotjazz1972 4 года назад
Might just make this deck.
@MTGDuelist8870
@MTGDuelist8870 4 года назад
So this is interesting, I too have a progenitus deck however I would have never of thought to do a turbo fogging variant, it's super cool seeing people make decks with commanders that don't just beat you over the head with a step by step game plan, I also applaud that it's progenitus heading the deck and the ways you found to stall for time to get progenitus out, a very good deck tech I must say X3, my progenitus is 5 color enchantments version because well, enchantments have inherently good mana fixing with stuff like dawn's reflection, fertile ground, verdant haven, khalni heart expedition, dictate of karametra and mana bloom, as well as having access to some extremely strong constellation cards in black which you wouldn't be able to access if you only played the stereotypical bant/selesnya enchantress decks, oh yea, and fires of invention means you don't even have to worry about what colors your lands are, you just have to worry about how many you have, sure you can only cast 2 spells per turn but I feel it's worth the price tag in order to be able to cast progenitus out for free whenever you want, hell I actually really enjoy piloting 5 color decks because it really does have the potential to do literally anything you want, I really don't get why people say 5 color is difficult to do, it's really easy honestly.
@MTGDuelist8870
@MTGDuelist8870 4 года назад
Zirnike I actually have finest hour in my 5 color enchantment deck as well so I can just one shot people with progenitus XD, I tried to put jodah in mine however I found that most of the enchantments in the deck are CMC 5 or less so all jodah does is give them an alternate means of paying for their CMC and making progenitus easier to cast even tho progenitus isn't the main win con, your progenitus deck seems to be more focused on casting progenitus and getting to double WUBRG faster then mine tho, I didn't know rafiq could combo with finest hour to kill 2 people in one go, I might have to consider getting my own rafiq
@MTGDuelist8870
@MTGDuelist8870 4 года назад
Zirnike funny you mention awakened amalgam because I'm actually running all the guildgates, specifically because of that new summit of the guild pact enchantment which can basically function as its own engine, the only reason I'm not running awakened amalgam is because this deck literally has 40 enchantments in it XD, and honestly I don't blame you for going the full WUBRG route, despite all the ramp enchantments my 5 color enchantment progenitus deck has I rarely get to cast progenitus and the times I do is often to use him as a free blocker, and the times I do get to use him for fighting is when I'm already super far in the lead and it's sad cause it's progenitus.
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 4 года назад
For a "fun" card try ice cave. I'd also reccomend propoganda/ghostly prison, constant mists and deadbridge chant. I'd also upgrade some of the land to manlands as secondary wincons
@AidanWR
@AidanWR 4 года назад
Constant Mists is, of course, a great inclusion, Lab Man can be a great alt win con since you have a lot of draw potential and can't always win through commander damage, and Ajani, the Greathearted is a great card because it gives Progenitus vigilance to be on the defense, and the counters aren't a targeted ability.
@zaphoddzero1019
@zaphoddzero1019 4 года назад
True Conviction (3WWW (creatures you control have double-strike and lifelink)) NEEEDS to be in there! It may have a steep devotion to white in it's cost, but if it hits the battlefield this Progenitus becomes Instagib!! With an extra attack phase, that's not one, but , countem TWO TPKs per turn! I've been using it in my Jodah deck and have dealt massive damage with Prog. The +24 life isn't bad either :)
@maxwellcarreiro5607
@maxwellcarreiro5607 4 года назад
Isochron Scepter is amazing because you can just put fog under it and not take any damage until it's removed not exactly budget but not too much of a stretch
@eliluttrell7637
@eliluttrell7637 4 года назад
I currently have a deck with Progenitus in it, but the deck itself is Jodah, Archmage Eternal. Looks like I'm finding a replacement for that slot because turbo Progenitus is just hilarious.
@dasentro
@dasentro 2 дня назад
The deck sounds pretty solid. I'm working on a Progenitus Wall deck currently.
@BlueInkAlchemy
@BlueInkAlchemy 4 года назад
If I didn't already have a WBURG deck I'd definitely consider this one!
@VrilOrgan
@VrilOrgan 4 года назад
Finest Hour is amazing in my Karona, False God deck. It makes her able to take out anybody who is open.
@loudnoises213
@loudnoises213 3 года назад
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad is great with his ability to immediately give you an unremovable emblem that gives all your creatures +1/+0.
@blueflare3978
@blueflare3978 4 года назад
My next project is a 5 color jank build with Morophon as the commander. It runs Arcane Adaptation and Conspiracy, and I can choose relevant creature types depending on what my cards are.
@nemoforever
@nemoforever 3 года назад
Love the idea behind this deck and I think it's probably the best way to build Progenitus. That being said, I wonder how you're supposed to win against decks that don't attack, such as combo decks, aristocrats, spellslinger, etc.
@coltnation881
@coltnation881 4 года назад
I think my Judith Deck would love going against this. Target player with sacrifice and other nasty affects while dealing non combat damage.
@Quetzacoatl09
@Quetzacoatl09 4 года назад
I Love It!
@raydelmartinez2905
@raydelmartinez2905 4 года назад
'Geode Golem' is a nice addition with such a heavy Mana cost.
@infiniteprocrast
@infiniteprocrast 4 года назад
Ill save this video for after work
@infiniteprocrast
@infiniteprocrast 4 года назад
Worth the wait!
@iPharaoh54
@iPharaoh54 3 года назад
Some things will never change Mitch: ill play Wayfarers Bauble JLK: ill play Vendalken Orrery Professor: Merfolk Is all ill play PK: BREXIT!
@Ring-maker
@Ring-maker 4 года назад
I would definetly put something in that gives Progenitus double-strike, like true conviction. Along with finest hour, Progenitus can kill 2 opponents in 1 turn; and if there is an additional combat step after that, it can just flat out win the game.
@xtrlsidma
@xtrlsidma 4 года назад
Hi I'm relatively new to magic and decks you show interesting. I'm use to yugioh and vanguard where I built up my decks on my own/ with some advice here and there. I'm finding it hard to build up a orginalish idea with an 100 card deck. I would like to use some you show as a base but not sure how to change some alternatives to give it a personal spin so it's not be said I only won based on someone else's idea. Do you have any advice?
@berendboer8459
@berendboer8459 4 года назад
I used to have a Progenitus deck. Had plenty of turns in which I killed 2 players out of nowhere with Finest Hour and Rafiq powering up my commander. Ever since Saskia got printed I've had dreams of killing 3 opponent in one turn, but all my fetches and shocks are in other decks now... Maybe I'll build this one, add Rafiq and Saskia, and see what can happen!
@atlaswar2425
@atlaswar2425 4 года назад
Watch out for those Clay Pigeons tho
@sepehragah3225
@sepehragah3225 4 года назад
Another great include would be avatar of slaughter, forces opponents to attack and they won’t attack you cause you’ll fog
@brettbeals4179
@brettbeals4179 4 года назад
I'd love to see a Louvaq, the Aberrant, even though it's a playtest card.
@eac-ox2ly
@eac-ox2ly 4 года назад
Damn, interesting as hell build
@jacobdurst9185
@jacobdurst9185 4 года назад
If you're feeling lucky, you can throw in Aurelia, the Warleader. Basically this allows you to get 3 combat steps next to Finest Hour. Example: Progenitus attacks, triggering Finest Hour. Progenitus and Aurelia attack, triggering another additional combat step since this is her first attack. Progenitus and Aurelia attack again, possibly killing an extra person or setting you up to finish the last two players on the next turn with commander damage if they don't have an answer. Did I mention Aurelia is hasty?
@Integer_Overload
@Integer_Overload 4 года назад
Shalai Voice of Plenty helps too
@shinigamimaster94
@shinigamimaster94 4 года назад
I would suggest reclaim for recursion and spore cloud as another fog spell
@Goldscorpio7
@Goldscorpio7 4 года назад
This reminds me of my progenitus deck
@jadenlingerfelt7585
@jadenlingerfelt7585 4 года назад
You could also run Saskia and sower of discord to accelerate the damage to opponents
@loganharsh9127
@loganharsh9127 4 года назад
Your decklist link has Sphere of Safety and Ghostly Prison, instead of Chromatic Lantern and Smothering Tithe in the upgrades. Preference i guess?
@dungeonmaster3464
@dungeonmaster3464 3 года назад
I'd personally play Door to Nothingness in the deck. Sure, it's win-more considering it just does Progenitus' job slightly faster only once. But considering there are often more than 2 people at a table, you'll probably paint a target on your back with your strategy. Door to Nothingness would just lower the number of players before you start swinging with Progenitus.
@lorekeeper685
@lorekeeper685 4 года назад
Yes best protection ability text
@Th3Rad10D3m0m
@Th3Rad10D3m0m 2 года назад
I would add Ramos, Dragon engine for the mana he can make, which is the exact amount you need for progenitus, and all you have to do is cast at most, 5 spells, each a different color.
@shadowhunterYT-dh7tc
@shadowhunterYT-dh7tc 4 года назад
This is gonna be my new commander deck man this is my favorite but it's all sorcery and instant?
@psikker
@psikker 4 года назад
"Reap the Past is a bit cheaper" definitely sounded like it was gonna say something else for the first half there, not gonna lie
@justinayran
@justinayran 4 года назад
I find that a budget version of Chromatic Lantern is Pulse of Llanowar.
@MEIZimm
@MEIZimm 4 года назад
Rafiq of the Many is a second Golden Pig, he's $7 but well worth it and would have been an autoinclude for Reasonable Upgrades in my opinion. You could theoretically take two players out in one turn with both him and Finest Hour.
@MEIZimm
@MEIZimm 4 года назад
Also, I would at least consider Savage Beating for a reasonable upgrade.
@peterthenoob3098
@peterthenoob3098 4 года назад
Could you do one with Klothys, God of Destiny? One that is a bunch of mana ramp to cast giant creatures, like a turn 4-5 Giant Adephage, or something like that? Just a thought, as I have been thinking on making one around Klothys for a while, but I don't know what cards would be good.
@suna7511
@suna7511 4 года назад
Pretty sure protection fron everything means protection from instants and sorrceries and crature abilities right?? I could be wrong tho
@lorekeeper685
@lorekeeper685 4 года назад
I wanna see this on comand zone :p
@firenutz698
@firenutz698 4 года назад
I just learned what wooberg means today from this video
@techoutsider5631
@techoutsider5631 3 года назад
It’s spelled WUBRG btw
@stormcrow4202
@stormcrow4202 4 года назад
If I didn't already build "Jank Tribal" for my Progenitus deck, I'd probably build this.
@stevethomas4400
@stevethomas4400 4 года назад
Do a Jhoira of the Ghitu! There are too many options to suspend, I want to see a few variants!
@cc8879
@cc8879 4 года назад
Anticipate and impulse over f/f and the really inefficient draw spell
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