In this video I talk about the future plans I have for a Savage 110 in 7mm WSM. I'm going to shoot some factory Winchester ammo and handload a bunch of bullets to see how it compares to 7mm Rem mag, 6.8 Western and 7mm PRC.
I mean all they set out to do was have the same performance in a short action as compared to their long action counterparts. They did accomplish those goals, the .325 wsm , .223 wssm and .243 wssm I have no clue where they where going with those. For someone with the long action OG probably didnt see a reason to switch.
@hotramen5952 7 saum is a great cartridge and it's compatible to 7 wsm. But I don't believe it was the main issue. It was the law suet and unavailability of God brass to load. A bunch of people were using it for extremely long range. But stopped because of the brass.
7mm wsm is my favorite cartridge! I have 2 of them currently, Reloder 26 will be your friend for top velocity with the heavier stuff and Reloder 23 for the 150 class bullets. My custom M70 will do 3180fps with a 162 ELDX and and Reloder 26. I've never tried 175s but 3000 plus should be possible. Highly underrated cartridge!
Can't wait to see this series. I've got a 270wsm and a 7mm wsm. I reload for them both. The 270 runs 135 grain seirra matchkings at 3200fps and the 7mm runs 185 grain nosler rdf's at 3000fps. Both are in custom barrels and both are extremely accurate. You won't be disappointed with the 7mm's performance
I have had the 270wsm since it was introduced and I recently picked up a 7mm wsm. I’ve reloaded the 270wsm for years. All I have experience with is Winchester brass and Barnes brass. I would recommend annealing every firing because split necks have been common with both brands. I’ll start loading for the 7 wsm as soon as I can. Also if you know where I can find some 270 wsm brass please let me know. Great video, looking forward to seeing how it goes
Never understood why the 7 wsm didnt take off. The 300 was popular due to its accuracy in long range benchrest type stuff. The 270 wsm is better for deer imo but the 7 is a great caliber and more versatile. Its abit too much case for long range accuracy competition but still can do very well.
@@orr89rocz I have a guess at why that is. People like me just didn't care for the design. Just like so many people loved the short action aspect for a slightly lighter wt rifle, people like me just didn't like the thought of case capacity being occupied by bullet instead of powder. I never subscribed to the short action craze at the time just to shave a nearly non-noticeable wt difference in a rifle. I did admire the reported "short and fat" is more accurate than long and skinny but I always liked power and speed and maximizing a cartridge utility. I fell like that was robbed by the short action magnums. Years later (2022/2023) I started looking hard at the PRC line up but even after the 300PRC was introduced I knew a 7PRC would follow so I waited. Very shortly after my first 7PRC I found a new Tikka T3x left hand 300WSM at a bargain on gun broker. I talked with my rifle builder and asked him if there was any reason we couldn't take a 300WSM and convert it to the PRC concept where a bullet seats long and I could just use a long action (Tikkas are all one length). He informed me he had already done it with this 300WSM using 190 grain bullets seated long. I bought that Tikka 300WSM I made a dummy round with a 210 Berger VLD, sent it to JGS, got a reamer made with 2 main objectives - 1. longer freebore, 2. Alex Wheeler modification to open the chamber up another 0.002 over SAAMI spec. Took that reamer and my Tikka 300WSM to my builder and he opened up the factory chamber, suggesting I do that before rebarreling since Tikka barrels are good anyway. Turned out to be a home run. I get a bit more powder in the case, more velocity, and all I needed for that Tikka was a Mountain Tactical long action bolt stop and a Tikka long action mag. Done. Next, I got a K&P 8 twist barrel and made a second 300WSM with that reamer using a Terminus Zeus QC action (long). As it turns out I didn't need an 8 twist barrel as I don't plan on going any heavier than 210 grains but you live and learn. I've been listening to all the hype on the need for faster twist barrels. I should have trusted my gut and just kept with a 10 twist. The slowest twist that will stabilize a bullet is almost always the most accurate and you don't sacrifice velocity, even if it is only a few fps. I now have a Brux barrel, 10 twist, 4 groove, #3 ready to also be chambered with that 300WSM reamer. I'm considering one more barrel also a 10 twist for a custom Tikka since I have more Tikka rifles on hand.
@@orr89rocz too many people didn't like the design, wanting more powder in the case instead of a lot of bullet shank, all for the sake of toting a short action in the name of minimal weight savings v. a long action.
When the WSMs and SAUMS came out I took notice.....for about a minute, then bypassed any notion of pursuing any of them due to my desire, at the time, for power, speed, etc. I had a 300RUM at the time, a 7RemMag, and was contemplating a 7RUM. Even with those, I didn't see longstanding popularity. I was correct about the 7RUM but mistaken with the 300RUM. I was one of many that was put off by a cartridge design where the case capacity was occupied by so much bullet. I really didn't see the point. I got my first WSM in 2023 and that one is a 300WSM, stainless Tikka T3x Lite left hand. ONLY reason I did was because I had a discussion with my gunsmith first about getting a reamer made to mimic the PRC concept, which I did. My 300WSM reamer has a chamber 0.002 larger than SAAMI (thanks to Alex Wheeler), and a longer throat. My dummy round has a 210 Berger seated long. I just had to get a long action mag for that Tikka and a long action bolt stop. Very happy I did. I have more barrels coming for different actions to use that reamer and already have once completed. I'm very pleased with the outcome.
The biggest missed opportunity for hunters/reloaders … that brass is like gold bars… don’t flaunt it lol I don’t see a revival but I do wish it was alive and well!! BTW… they stretched the cases on the small bores to prevent chambering in the larger caliber rifles. It limited the neck length for the 7mm. Some claim accuracy issues because of that but more folks than not loved to shoot it for a true hunting setup. Going to be fun to watch.
Some of these cartridges success depends on marketing and Hornady is a master at marketing. I have been sorely disappointed with my 7PRC but recently got my hands on 4 lb of RL26 so I'm excited to see what I can get out of it.
Just remember, the “perfect” neck length only needs to be the diameter of the bullet. The 7 WSM I believe has a .243” neck length, so the neck is .041” short of being “perfect”. 99.9999% of people would never shoot the difference. Where the WSM’s have their biggest issue is the throat area! The case in all aspects is perfect. 35 degree shoulder doesn’t allow the case body to act as a powder funnel, so most of the powder burns in the case. The .010” taper in the case body allows for a greater volume of powder and helps mitigate bolt thrust. It is a great cartridge overall.
The only issue I find with the WSM is they are chambered in a Short/Medium action. If you get a long action chambered in a 7WSM to seat out long bullets, you would have a 7PRC. If you check the 6.8W case dimentions it's even shorter than the WSM. A 7RM chambered in 3.8" Action is my choice. All are perfect with very minor performace diff. If you target shoot you can be picky, but for Hunting only minor diff👍👍
@@WillyK51 I would rather have a 7 PRC and 7 Rem Mag over the 7 WSM and 7 RSAUM. My go to 7mm is a 7 Wby Mag, it outperforms all of those cartridges regardless of bullet weight. I’m with you on the short/medium action thing, people get caught up in that and they forget there is 5/8” to 3/4” difference in bolt throw and the weight between a long and short action receiver is negligible. I’m currently working on a 7-378 WBY, that will replace my 7mm WBY as my go to.
@@BollingMachineTool He,He, I don't mind a 3.4" to 3.8" bolt throw. If you put a 7RM next to a 7Wby, they are almost identical. I just prefer the 7RM because availability. But,BUT a 7-378 Why not. If K Bell shot over 800 Elephants with a 275 Rigsby(7X57 Mauser) you might sneak your 378 to Africa and do the same. Rifle and case head have 378 printed on it. Customs might not notice. There is just so much fun building the ultimate mouse trap or T Rex gun. MarkandSamAfterWork has a few ultimate long range builds
@@WillyK51 I’m building the 7-378 to look like a factory Mark V Accumark. The great thing about being a gunsmith and machinist. I draw my reamers, I machine my own reloading dies, thread chamber my own barrels, etc…. I spend most of my time building and fixing firearms for other people. I designed and built a 6mm Wby RPM, based on the 6.5 Wby RPM and I have a reamer in 6.5-378 Wby.
@@BollingMachineTool I missed the buss when younger to become a Gunsmith. Had the sights on the Oregon school of trades. I have a Pro cuestion. Got the bug to rebarrel muy old US Enfield to 35 Wheelen. Not something most gunsmiths want to takle. Extra tigh Barrels and brittle actions. MIne made by Rem. I'm very good with my hands. Taking my time, Right Wise and wrench, Heating action and freezing barrel, and plenty Kroil. Do you think I can takle it? Doing a swap on a Savage 110, pice of cake. Bolt head to magnum, aftermaket parts and else
Im very excited for this series. I just bought a 7wsm in a black shadow m70 after having a 270wsm. I've only shot 2 3shot groups and it already groups better than the 270. Can't wait to see the potential for the short mags. #savetheshortmags lol
Looking forward to this series. On paper this was one of my favorite rounds, but when I went to buy, I found it just wasn't around anymore, so I went with a 7mm Rem Mag. Looking forward to seeing what this one will do.
I have a 270 WSM and a 300 WSM I have them in two Winchester model 70 super grade and I can tell you that the 300 does compete with the 300 Winchester magnum it’s very close to
Imagine if weatherby picked up the 7wsm and built it in there ultra lite back country model i already have the 338 rpm but id pick a 7wsm back country in a heart beat
Awesome 👏 I am definitely excited for this series with the 7 WSM. It is sad that the WSM family is dying off. I was thinking about this cartridge back in 2019 as a companion cartridge to my 270 Win, mostly for western big game hunting like elk and big mule deer 🦌. So glad that I went 300 WSM over the 7, but sadly it is hard to find ammo for the 300 WSM anymore. Thankfully 😅 I can reload.
I was looking for that chambering in a reasonably priced gun. He really set you up. I settled for a 7mm Rem Mag back when I bought one. The 175 gr. ABLR's are what I load in mine with great accuracy. My load when I can get RL22 is about 3050. I've been out of it for a while and am testing with the Winchester HD and Accurate Magnum
Try the 132 Hammer HHT. Ive had great success with it in 7 WSM. Speed kills. Also you can try the heavier Hammers. They shoot well in mine. But my kimber is 9.25 twist so i stick with the 132. My kimber doesnt love the 162 ELD-X.
Austin the 7mm PRC is just a copy of the 7mm WSM they have the same powder capity too the grain . 7mmPRC is in a longer but smaller diamiter case the 7mm WSM is shorter but larger diamiter case they both hold the same case volumof powder about 83.5 grains ! I have owened both , most of Hornadays new cartridges are simplely recased older cartidges , I have been a handloader for over 45 years thanks Austin I enjoy yuor channel.
I'm looking forward to your results with the 7mm wsm. Im not much of a fan of any of the Prc cartridges or Hornady in general so I hope it hangs right in there with the 7mm Prc. I think the Prc will definitely handle the heavier high bc bullets better but when it comes to hunting, a higher bc bullet isn't going to kill any better than one with lesser bc. Fyi: The factory stated box velocity for the 140 grain Winchester ballistic silvertip ammo is 3225 at the muzzle and 3233 ft. Ibs. of energy. With a 200 yard zero, drop is -5.6 @ 300 yards and -16.4 @ 400 yards according to the box. Bc of 0.485
Austin,,,OMG, that is my favorite most accurate cartridge I handload for,you are going to be impressed,,,now yes every rifle is different and what I get and what you get will be different,,,my rifle is a Winchester model 70,24 inch barrel,,,do you have any ramshot hunter powder??? I get 3400 fps with a ttsx 120gr at only 70gr powder I don't full load it as you know if the primer pocket is only good for 3 shots before it's stretched out then back it down as brass is hard to find,,,the ojive measurement I seat at is 2.277 and I get yes a constant.2250 inch groups and the sd is below 5 fps,,,have fun and I bet you will wonder why the PRC when the wsm did it way before
Ran across a new haven crpf for a good price. Almost enough to entice but the brass... maybe address that if not already planned. Certainly would use it over 7-08.
I guess you keep calling it the dead cartridge is because everything on the business end is dead. Aside from the short neck this thing is put together. Of course you can put together a 7mm-300wsm wildcat that will give you the longer neck. Never had any problems with the neck. I hope you talk this up so they get some factory ammo and brass going. Best factory ammo in it has been 150 Federal Fusion and 168 Berger Classic Hunter over IMR 4350 for my gun.
Looking forward to this one!! I'm not a fan of anything smaller than 30 caliber but am curious. Ballistics you say............ PPfffTTT, Hone your skills I say :)
I have always said that, the 7WSM is so underrated. It is a fantastic and efficient caliber that should not have died, much better than the 7RM, and I am not a 7mm fan at all.
The issue with all of the wsm and wssm is that the max pressure spikes so quickly. Can easily take it to 64,000 psi. But it will go over fast as hell. The 300 wsm has the record for the tighter group at 1,000 yards. If Alpha was to start making brass for eithe 300 or 7mm, they would come right back to the top.
@ReloadingWeatherby No way! That is a major game changer. I have a bunch of cases, of different brands. But will buy some if I can. Plan on building a .25 wssm on a Tikka action with a Heavy bull barrel. Have a bunch made by winchester. But they are known for cracking.
I think the 7wsm is the best overall wsm. I have A 270wsm, 7mmwsm and a 325wsm. I think what killed the 7 was the name, we didn't need another 7 Mag. However, a 283 or 285 WSM sounds better...
I've been wanting to build a 7wsm but here in Australia i can't find brass so i built a 300wsm which i love but i am thinking of building a 7-300wsm as lapua will be releaseing brass soon
How dare you compare this …peasant to the great 7 prc ! The best 7mm in history ! 😂😂 this is going to be an awesome video series . Maybe I’ll send you my 35 whelen and dies one day . After elk season 😎
You won’t touch the 7prc with the heavies. The wsm line of cartridges was great with the lighter bullets but performance really suffered with the heavys, unless you were willing to single feed rounds you won’t come close to 7prc performance with the 180gr range of bullets
I have Winchester M70 7wsm 26inch barrel, It loved the Federal 160 grain accubonds. So i have 160 grain accubonds, hornady brass casing only thing available at the time. Not sure on powder recommendations or primer selections. What would be a good start?
ha ha...naaa. Look at the history of both. No shortage of videos, articles, podcasts, etc. Universal consensus, the 7PRC global popularity has never been matched even in the wake of Hornady's major flop by not updating their ammo velocities once the Reloder 26 well ran dry. 7WSM never had anything in the realm of attention 7PRC has achieved. Please don't over-interpret my comment. I think 7WSM should have been one of the most popular cartridges in history. Just didn't happen
Does anyone out there have any seven WSM brass they would like to sell? I have a model 70 Winchester and have been using it but my brass that I had and reloaded it’s about seen better days. I love the rifle and yes, it does outperform my 7 mm and it is also Outperformed my 270 WSM that is getting hard to find brass for two. I also have a 7 mm STW that I love to and I cannot find brass for it either so if anyone out there can help me I would appreciate it
Obscure doesn't mean useless,I find it laughable when older cartridges put to shame all the " shiny," new ones that owe there existence to a money making scheme 😅
🤭 When Your Done Documenting All These Little 7 Magnum's, Pull Back Out Your 300 WBY Magnum and Remind Those 7 Mag Fanboys Why the 30 Caliber is King (🤴) of the Magnums! 😜
It's the king of FLINCH AND MISS and SCOPE BITE except in the hand of a few shooters !!! LMFAO Most shooters shooting under 400 yds and most have no right shooting over 200 yds.. Watch the Backfire series where he challenges shooters ! Most can't handle the recoil they should be shooting 6.5 crd and limit there shots to 300 yds IMO Shot placement and bullet selection... except for Brown Bears .... Jack O Conner did it ALL with his 270 Win M 70
