In this video I go discuss the WSM family of cartridges. I talk about each cartridges strengths and weakness and rank them worst to best. Hope you enjoy the video!
I've had my 7mm wsm for 16 years and I can't say enough about it. Performance on game with 140 grain ballistic tips and 160 grain accubonds has been excellent. I have several other rifle cartridges but the 7mm wsm is my favorite.
@@lewisgeer1994 I recommend you take a long hard look at a 280AI. I REALLY regret not building one 20 years ago. I had an excellent 280 Rem at the time and still have it. At that time I convinced myself I just didn't want or need it because of the 280 Rem and 7RemMag I have both built within a year of each other. I decided to take the plunge in 2023 and built two 280AIs. Incredible cartridge and everything I heard and read is true. Only 30-60 fps slower than a 7RemMag and what a few rifle builders told me is basically true, that the 7RemMag is quite inefficient. But I still love mine and now have 4.
I bought a Winchester Featherweight when the 7 WSM came out and love it. So much so I've bought several different rifles in 7WSM. My groups are always Sub Moa. I look nearly everyday for 7WSM rifles on the net for sale and usually buy them up. I always seem to buy things that are different and I have never been dissatisfied with this purchase.
@@outbackjack46270 I considered looking for a 7WSM for the past 5 years. But it would a rare find because it would have to be left handed. Now that I know the costs involved I may build one for Ss and Gs but it would be modified. I'd make a dummy round with a couple bullets like a Berger 180 VLD and 160 Nosler AB, send them to JGS and get a new reamer made because the bullets would be seated long such that it would require a long action. That's what I did with my 300WSMs and it worked. Never got any WSM when they first came out and I really considered it but just couldn't accept all that case capacity occupied by bullet vs powder all in the name of the single "advantage" of being in a short action, thus, lighter rifle. I learned a long time ago, the lighter the rifle, the more recoil. I hate recoil. Prefer to hike hours at a time with a few more ounces and a bit more power. Just my thing
Huge fan of the 300 WSM! With the 200 Terminal Ascent (amazingly accurate out of my rifle), it can do anything, minus the big five, from little deer to brown bear. And with a 24-inch barrel vs a 26.
I Guided AK brown bears hunts for 30 years so I can say by experience anyone who thinks a deer and Elk rifle 30 cal rifle of any size is a Brown bear guns then it is like going after Marlin and a Great white shark fishing with a trout rod. It really is a very stupid thing to do because the 30 cal rifles won't ever put the lights out or a brown bear on the stop, it's going to take multipole bullets and even go looking for the bear making a serious danger to you. Guiding clients all the bears we lost had been shot by 300 win and 300 Weatherby mags and no further than 50 yards and we can see the bullets hit knowing that bear is dead sooner of latter, but we fallowed massive blood and body parts coming out of the bear and even using a super cub plane we never found either of the 2 bears. Then were times me and the client are in woven together brush so think we are bent over crawling through the brush looking at blood all over the ground and on the brush and at one point a bear was growling and snaping its teeth at us some 50 feet from us and can't see anything. We found where the bear was and by the tracks, we found this was a sow and her older cub threatening us. There were times if we had been charged in the brush, I wouldn't give us much of a chance to get out of the way and shoot one of us would have been jumped. The client did come back the next year and did get his brown bear using a CZ 550 in 9.3x62 Mauser because he was so impressed with my own CZ 550 in 9.3x62 he bought one. I loaded his 9.3x62 ammo and got it off to him in Pennsylvania by Fed X. The minimum for Alaska is a 338 magnum or any kind. My 9.3x63 ammo I load it to near 375 H&H magnum commercial loads using a Barns TSX 286 grain bullet using 70 grains of H-414 powder
35 Sambar ! (358 WSM) It's got good velocity with the 200gr all coppers & 225gr bonded bullets... Plus it's got the frontal diameter too. I know it's a wildcat but still 3000 fps with an all copper 0.358" bullet 2900 fps with a 225gr Accubond All in a 22"-23" barreled 6lb rifle. It's ready too tackle anything including the big bears
I have the 270wsm and the 300wsm. Put a Nikon Buckmaster scope on the both of them, had a stroke and they've never had a cartridge in either of them.. bought a 6.8 Western that is also NIB.. now I have to have a babysitter when I go hunting.. at least I'm alive.
At least you got someone to carry your gear for you bro, get amongst it and get the minder working for you mate, take care and all the best, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️
@ScottH-hl3zv .. Thank you.! I had plans for going west to do a little elk and mule deer hunting when I retired. Not gonna happen for me. I tell my sons to go enjoy hunting while you have your health. Take a trip every year or two.. At least my sons (4) will not have to worry about a rifle that will do the job.
Well, I just ventured in to 6.8 Western land. I hope it sticks around for a bit. I met with hunters and guides in Idaho, who all claimed the 6.8 Western is a fantastic cartridge. As for the 7WSM, it’s sad to see its decline, it’s a better cartridge than the 7RM.
I was drawn to the 325 wsm myself. I like the odd calibers anyway. I always thought the 8mm rem mag was a contender for greatest elk cartridge ever made, bullet selection just handicapped it for years due to most loading bullets designed for 8mm mauser speeds. Europe has plenty of great bullets in 8mm though.
@@andrewcleveland As an owner of a custom rifle in 8mm-378 Wby magnum and have owned an 8mm-06 then built and sold AR 10 uppers in the 325 WSM I can tell you the 8mm isn't lacking in bullet weights. I can buy 8mm bullets in weights from 124 gr - 139 gr - 150 gr - 165 Grain Barns TTSX - 170 grain - 185 grain TSX & Nosler Ballistic tip - different types of 198 grain bullets 200 and 220 grain bullets which I have both weights in Barns TSX bullets so what more could you want? PPU has a great offering in 8mm for low priced shooting bullets. In 8mm bullets for the AR 15 uppers I build and sell in 7,92x33 Kurz it uses the 124 grain 8 mm Bullet from PPU and Lapua. I have built and sold 1 AR 10 upper in 8mm-08 to a man in the Midwest.
In NW Oregon I am seeing Remington 300 WSM ammo so if you can't find 7 mm WSM you may need to buy the 300 WSM for the brass and the powder. I bought 1 box of the Rem 300 WSM because I needed the brass for my AR 10s 375 WSM reloader cartridge. I used the 30 cal bullets already for shooting fun and the powder all went into the 300 Weatherby magnum and has been used up now. The 300 WSM powder charge was so weak used in the 300 Weatherby mag the primers never showed any kind of pressure marks when fired.
@@JosephGraff3 It may vary where you live in the country finding any WSM brass or ammo. In NW Oregon I am finding 300 WSM loaded ammo to pull the bullets then save the powder for shooting fun loads then I neck up the 300 WSM brass to 37 caliber to make for my AR 10 375 WSM a reloader cartridge. I own 2 rifles in 300 Wby magnums so the pulled 30 call bullets are used for shooting fun loads
I have a 300wsm and 270wsm great caliber. Now I hunt moose with my 300wsm mostly because it's a remington 700xcr and I have it . 3 bulls down with it. But my 270 win is my deer rifle and I would should moose too,but again I have my 300wsm got to share the fun.
Do you understand Moose aren't all the same spices? and size vary greatly like the Yukon Moose is the largest with adults at 1500 Pounds and a Shiras moose at best is 1000 pounds
I’ve got a custom 325 wsm in a browning blr . I love it for the Timbers as it’s a small handy rifle that hits very hard . I can also reach out with it if need be . You’re right tho ..the 300 does the same thing and wayyyyy more bullet options. I run the 200 grain accubonds at around 2850
Great video. Please comment on the Rick Jameison lawsuit. I was under the impression that his suit ONLY applied to the 270 WSM (at least that is what Ron Spomer seemed to say). From what you are saying it sounds like it applies to all of the WSMs. Probably the saddest story is the 7mm WSM. It truly is a great cartridge. Great accuracy. Easier to find an accuracy node than the 7mm Rem mag. Has no belt. Matches velocity of the 7mm Rem mag with a little bit less powder. Lots weep about over the death of the 7mm WSM. I am still considering picking one up when I find a good deal.
Accuracy isn't made by a type of cartridges and accuracy comes from good quality barrels and actions and the machining to build the gun. The 7.62x39 all the idiot Parrot mouth talkers from RU-vid claim the 7.62x39 is a poor accurate cartridge but when fired from some US made bolt rifles the cartridge can prove to me extreme for accuracy proving my point.
@@dalebenson6859 We will have to disagree on this one. While you are correct that good quality barrels and actions are a critical part of a build, there are some cartridges that are just more inheriently easy to find an accuracy node than others. For example, the 260 Rem has long had a reputation of being easy to reload for. I own one and there are several powders and projectiles that all work great. I can find accuracy in at minimum pressures, but I also find great accuracy up toward maximum pressures. The 260 is a very forgiving cartridge to load for. On the other hand the 7mm STW is a great round but can be a challenge to find a load that it likes. Once you find it, the STW is crazy good, but you will likely spend more powder and bullets trying than the 260. I could give other examples.
@@RT-gv6us So you being all of 13 years old and reading shit in gun magazines and reading crap in these guns' comments just for a few years you believe the 260 cartridge itself is so accurate it can be fired through a gun with even smoot bore and win 1000-yard matches. I would be a banks load of cash you believe also the 7.62x54R fired from a garbage rod Mosin is so accurate a child can shoot coins at 2 miles away
@@dalebenson6859 This will be my last communication with you on this. You say I am 13 years old. Uhhh, I might of started shooting when I was 10 years old, but I will turn 61 later this summer. I have spent most of my life shooting. I own a 260 Rem and reload for it along with a bunch of other cartridges. Just like you, I have a safe full of guns. While I do not consider myself an expert I have put in a LOT of hours on the reloading bench and sent a LOT of shots downrange over the last few decades. Dale, it is a well known fact among reloaders that some cartridges are more easy to find accuracy loads that others. I agreed with you that the quality of the barrel, and action is VERY important when it comes to repeatable accuracy. That is NOT at question. What I am saying is that even with a quality barrel and action some cartridges are still going to be easier to find an accuracy load than others. This is a well known and widely accepted fact among people who reload for accuracy. For you to dispute that fact just makes me shake my head.
I'm deciding between 300 WSM and 7 PRC for my next rifle. I'm leaning towards 300 WSM but the 7 PRC is still enticing. I would consider 6.8 Western as well but I am personally not a huge fan of the budget rifle options available. I hope that more manufacturers pick it up.
I have both 300WSM and 7PRC. Beyond 600 yards, the 7PRC wins, generally speaking, in drop and drift. Inside 600, flip a coin. Currently you can get ADG and Peterson brass in 7PRC. in 300WSM, there's Nosler and Norma but now Lapua is making it. I'm hoping to get some. I'm also hoping by this time next year Lapua will make 7PRC brass but I'm quite satisfied with my ADG as it seems to perform just as good. I have yet to even unbox the Peterson brass
@@padna7946 yeah neither of those are even close to budget options and same with a custom build lol. One day I'll be able to afford something like that but not at the moment.
The death of the 7WSM baffles me. I chose the 300WSM to replace my 300WM back in the 2000’s. Back then my attitude was If I’m going to endure magnum recoil, why should I settle for less in a 7RM or 7WSM? I basically lumped all magnum recoil together as similar enough to be considered the same issue to contend with. Today me laughs at how ignorant that is… but… It turns out I made the right choice. If all my gear got destroyed and I had to replace my Moose/Elk/Bear rifle, the only two cartridges I would consider would be the 300WSM and the 7PRC. Cheers!
In my short 60+ years of rifle collecting and reloading and hunting and owning about somewhere in the Nabor hood of 2,500 over that period of time in just about every cartridge ever made and have hunted with many many of them I hunt with the 300wsm in my Sako’s if I am going to be using a WSM cartridge! I also love the oldie but goods like the 270, 30-06 and the 7 rem mag along with the 308 because those are the most reliable from my many years of hunting and produce the best results but what does an old man like me know
I’ve owned 3 WSM rifles and only have 1 wildcat left that stared out as a 300 and is now a 416. The case should have been 48-50mm long and the shoulder pushed back to handle longer bullets like the Creedmore and tighter twist rates. I realized this early on reloading the 270WSM and dealt 2 rifles. Hopefully the 6.8mm Western will revive the WSM Case. Which really are SAUM cases when shortened. Happy Huntin.
I couldn't agree more with your assessment. The best thing that spawned from the 325 wsm was the 200gr nosler accubond that works beautifully in my 8mm Rem Mag
I think you nailed it. I think the 8mm was a very odd choice I like 8mm but the wsm doesn’t really allow it to succeed. That being said I don’t think an 8mm will ever be popular. I wish 300 brass was more available.
If your considering a 7WSM, obtaining quality brass will be extremely difficult. I considered a 7WSM but ultimately purchased a 7RSAUM due to the quality of brass available. It will not achieve the fps of the WSM, but still has impressive ballistics and versatility.
I feel like a 6.5 WSM and .338 WSM would have been great cartridges, especially before the 6.5 PRC came out, the 6.5 WSM is a pretty popular wildcat. People who've experimented with the .375 and .416 WSM, even .458 WSM say that the bigger the bullet, the better the WSM seems to do. Quite interesting. Big shame about the 7 WSM being so dead and slightly different dimensions to the others. I was looking at it recently and it'll push a 180gr at about 3000fps... similar to the 7 PRC but slightly slower. Personally, me being me, I've caught an eye for a .300-7 PRC... yep lol. I'll likely never build one, but it's interesting. I ran it through Gordons Reloading Tool - it's only 1 or 2gr more H20 than a .300 WSM, yet with a 225gr it beats it quite convincingly and it's only 100fps slower than the .300 PRC with 10gr less powder. Sounds pretty interesting to me lol.
I bought a Winchester Featherweight when the 7 WSM came out and love it. So much so I've bought several different rifles in 7WSM. My groups are always Sub Moa. I look nearly everyday for 7WSM rifles on the net for sale and usually buy them up. I always seem to buy things that are different and I have never been dissatisfied with this purchase.
I have a .270WSM and absolutely love it. I have a load worked up for it with 130 Nosler Etip that runs at 3408fps. That load will shoot a one hole group at 100 yards provided the nut behind the rifle does his job, also cloverleafs at 200 yards. It chambers nice and is a joy to shoot, something about the WSM case that reduces recoil or something.
🕵️♂️ The Simple Minded Fella Chopped His 6.8 Western Barrel Down To 18 1/2" (His Friend Has a 20" Barrel) and Showed That Velocity Losses Were Minimal! The 20" Barrel is Optimal and Only Lost 43 ft/s From the Origional 26" Barrel! 🤯👍GIve Me That Performance in a 308 Western!!! 😱
Bought a plastic stock stainless 270wsm because it was cheaper than I could get just the action. Intended to make a custom 7mmwsm but once I put a quality trigger and bedded stock, the damn thing shot so well I couldn’t make myself pull the barrel. Now a have a pencil barreled action sitting around in an expensive stock sitting around doing nothing other than getting taken along as a backup hunting rifle that shoots better than my primary! lol
I build and sell AR 10 uppers in all of the WSM magnums, and I hunt with my AR 10 in 375 -300 WSM. I have an order now for an AR 10 upper in 300 WSM that when finished will go to a man in Wyoming.
Thank,s for your video,for me i test some wsm and the best is the 300wsm,very,very accurate and it,s not difficult to reload he take many kinds of bullets and powder!
The problem with the WSM's was that rifle manufacturers tried to simply convert their short actions to feed those fat cases. The feed angles weren't right, and they never fed as well as their longer counterparts with less steep feed angles from the magazine. I sat near a shooter at the range who had the same Ruger M77 as I only his was 300 WSM and mine a 300 win mag. Every couple shots or so, he'd be playing with his rifle, unsticking a round, and you could see the angle and hop up was just to steep for slow bench rest feeding from the mag. It took a quick cycling to avoid the issue. Possibly, a push feed acrion would be more forgiving than the M77 was. They were also pretty much loaded to max capacity, and handloading didn't get you much further. The WSM theory really only works in a narrow band, which is why they never went beyond 8mm. Towards the end of the WSM craze, Browning couldn't hardly give away their 325's. I remember looking at one in Sportsmams Warehouse around 2008, that they were clearnacing a Gold Medalion for $549. The counter guy talked it up, and I simply said it's a nice rifle, but it's a 325. To which he replied, "Yes, there is that." Probably another factor besides the law suite you mention Winchester shut it New Haven factory down in 2006 and for years prior to that and after they were on shaky financial ground and that always causes turmoil Since FN Herstal purchased Winchester in 1989, they had been losing money. The WSM was supposed to help pull Winchester out of the financial nose dive but didn't really accomplish that. I remember people scrambling to get the last of the American made lever guns before production was moved over seas.
not a single issue with my savage 16fss in 300wsm. have had it 20 years and have DRT 22 deer with it with the 150gr.winchester ballistic silver tips. from 5 yards to 300.
The concept of WSM was to create a lighter rifle which in turn, kicks harder. My light model 70 300 wsm kicks harder than my Sako 300 win mag, which is 3 lbs heavier
Haha… you have a point. But my 300WSM sako A7 rifle is heavier than my 300WM Savage 111 rifle, and is waaay better, so there’s that. I agree with you that ultra light magnums are annoying. Cheers!
I fired my 6.8W for the first time yesterday. I had taken of the muzzle brake. It kicked like a mule in my 6.2lb rifle (plus scope). Not fun at all. Muzzle brake reinstalled.
Few people know this, but the loading for the 300 WSM and the 300 H&H is interchangeable. You very astutely noticed you can obtainable the same velocities with the 300 WSM, as with the 300 Win Mag with 5 to 8 grains less powder. Same is true for the 300 H&H, which will continue outperforming the 300 Win Mag and shoot a 350 grain bullet even faster. I have no idea why someone would pick a 300 Win Mag, over the 300 WSM. It’s a more efficient AND accurate cartridge. Because of how smoothly it chambers, efficiency and accuracy, I hunt with the 300 H&H.
the only reason you would choose the larger cases is for high BC bullets heavier than 200 gr. I have a great load for the 190gr hpbt sierras in 300wsm. hits like a sledge hammer.
@@jjmckay6man1 This is true about the 300 WSM, but not with the 300 H&H. If I was not totally vested in the 300 H&H, the 300 WSM would be my pick for multiple reasons. The 300 Win Mag was a step backwards in my opinion.
@@falba1492 yeah the 300 Norma magnum is a better pick for the bigger bullets like the 230 to 250 grain bullets. In my opinion anyways. 300 H&H is a good one also. Those cases are spendy though lol. I see why you don't want to change you have a lot invested. But for where I am the 300wsm suits my needs and I am glad I got that when I did and I Reload for it. I have had it for 20 years and really like it.
@@jjmckay6man1 The 300 Norma is really a military round for snipers, not something I would hunt with. That’s way too much recoil and muzzle blast for a lowly 30 cal. Also, I don’t hunt much past 400 yards. For anything more than 215 grains, I step up to my 338 Win Mag. The sweet spot there is 225 to 235 grains. I’ve been tempted to buy a 300 WSM, but I need another 30 cal. rifle like I need another hole in my head. Best of luck, and good hunting.
In 2001 my Dad bought the concept of the 300 WSM for me because I wasn't paying much attention. It our only Winchester model 70. It was also the year the model 70 switched back to the pre 64 replica. Today I'm realizing the true value of that rifle. I've grown to like it. It has the common feed issue. It hasn't missed yet
@@TrapperScottyAlaskan ya, when the Classic debuted. I have one, a 280 Rem that I bought in...wanna say 1991. Had it rebarreled in stainless by Bill Wiseman to the same round just in time for my Unlimited tag for bighorn sheep hunt in Montana in 1993.
I got a 300wsm and love it. I bought a like new H.S. Precision super light hunting rifle. It really doesn't kick no break. I wonder if it has the mercury tube in the stock or its just the stock that makes it not kick. I paid $2100 but a new one can cast over $4500. The only problem I have is finding ammo in stores.
I agree, most cartridges that are necked up don't succeed. However, I would consider the 416 Rem Mag very successful and it was necked up from the 8mm Rem Mag. I would also agree that the 300wsm can do most of what the 325 can do except maybe for those who do not reload. At least that was the case initially. The 300wsm had only 180 grain and lighter bullets available so the 325 covered the 200 and 220 grain space and overlapped with the 180s. Times have changed and now you can get the 200 grain terminal ascent in 300wsm but I don't believe there are 220 grain factory loadings available. Not a reason to buy a 325wsm but a difference nonetheless Last, the 325wsm was an important creation as far as the 8mm caliber is concerned. Prior to, bullet selection was really thin. While it is still thin relative to the 30 and 338 calibers, the 8mm has come a long way. Examples would include the 160, 175, 180 and 200 grain barnes tsx. 170 grain SSTs. 180 grain ballistic Silvertips. 200 grain partitions. 200 grain accubonds. 220 grain northfork SS bullets to name a few more premium types. Not terribly high BCs comparatively but more than sufficient for most hunters at reasonable hunting ranges. Well done video. Thank you for putting out good content.
I have a browning A bolt in 325 .It is extremely accurate. I use old school 200 grn nosler partitions, hits like a sledge hammer. I would like to try the 220 grn .l believe the larger 8mm bullets help solve the issue of losing powder capacity the 300 wsm suffers from. Did I mention its accurate?
What data are you using to measure a cartridge in terms of "active", "popular", "dead", and so on? Data for factory ammo and rifle manufacturers in each caliber sold by year would be two empirical datasets. Not sure how to account for the reloading community data per caliber per year. My buddy has a 20 year old 300 WSM and it has killed a lot of game including one black bear. He plans on taking his 6.5 Creedmoor elk hunting. I would take the 300 WSM over the 6.5 Creedmoor for an elk hunt. Not sure why Winchester calibers like the 300 WSM and 6.8 Western do not take off more, especially the 6.8 Western with more modern hight BC bullets and the case that does not require deep seating into the powder and rifles with modern faster twist rates. Enjoyed your video. Looks like you are having fun.
I have two short magnum both are model 70 super grade models identical one is a 300 WSM and the other is a 270 WSM and the 300 WSM does have some kick the 270 WSM does handle heavy weight bullets little faster than the standard caliber
FYI, the Remington 8mm Magnum shoots the Nosler 200 grain Accubond 100 fps faster and has 260 ft-lb more energy at the barrel than the 8mm WSM. not that any Elk would ever know the difference but the 8RM is flatter shooting with more energy. and by the way the model 700's they came in run smooth as butter. I like all the WSM cartridges though. all great hunting cartridges. i would be happy to own and hunt with any of them any north American game. Like any cartridge, build the gun right, and find the right load with proper bullet that it likes is the most important. More important than the cartridge you select.
The 300 wsm is definitely, and by leaps and bounds, the king of wsm’s. Unfortunately for the 7wsm, despite Hornady’s shady box velocity practices, 7prc will be the final nail in its coffin, with the 280AI being a few extra screws for good measure.
The short fat case consept all started with 6PPC . A benchrest shooters darling. The claim to fame is a short powder collum aids powder combustion uniformity with low velocity deviation. How much or how is it quantified for greater accuracy I do not know. Accuracy has for more to do with the firearm itself, especially the quality of barrel and bullet. Shorter actions for short cartridges make for a more compact, lighter weight rifle. I've been satisfied with more traditional cartridges.
Not to be a broken record…… Hunters/reloaders missed the boat with the 7mm WSM. 139-160 grain efficient rockets… or 7mm08 velocities … Neck length was invoked as an inaccuracy contributor but lots of evidence that the 7 can be accurate. I may jump on the 300 WSM and 7 PRC bandwagons… really been interested in the 300 with heavy bullets.
You got it right the lawsuit killed them n WSSM n RSUM n a likely some others. The 325 was actually the top seller for a couple of years n sparked some new bullets. I still has niche following. It was my favorite of the 4. Had em all at one 1 time. Just no longer the need for n Life happens. Aghhh
"7mm WSM is the most dead" Great, that's the one I have. Really, the only thing it gets you is BC. If you compare similar weight bullets between a 30-06 and a 7mm WSM, they are pretty close in velocity. So you are basically trading magazine capacity for ballistic coefficient. That said, I still like it. It might be that I like the rifle more so than the cartridge.
8mm bullets killed the 325. If only it was a 338 WSM, but 338 RCM was similar and it still failed even with a common bolt face and case head size. 8mm is a nice bullet but options and weights are very limited as well as never on the shelf. Maybe in Europe you could easily find 8mm bullets. The 8mm Mauser is permanently doomed in the US due to Sammi spec and all the different variants. If the 8 Mauser was specd as the JS load it would have done very well and so would the 325 WSM. The JS load I dare say is better than a 30-06. I remember when these were introduced and I wanted a 243 WSSM because it was the new hot thing and ammo was on the shelf. The only one I see now is 300 WSM.
7 mm with 160-175 is one off the best cartridges ever made. Here in Europe 7x64,7x65R is one of the best cartridges in 7 mm. It is on pair with 270,and 280 rem,close to 7rem mag.You can shoot bullets from 120 to 175 grs. 175 is good for everithing that have four legs o my opinion. Sory on my english witening.😅
🧐 The Truth is That John Lazzeroni's 308 Patriot - Released Back in the 1980's Started This Short Magnum Craze and Can Do Anything That The 300 wsm Can Do, But More Efficiently! Their is Nothing New Under The Sun Here Austin (Except Availability and Cost Reduction From Mass Production By a Bigger Company)!🌞
A guy i know picked up a 325wsm because he wanted to be unique, and his 30-06 wasnt enough to reliably kill whitetail deer. Now he has a rifle that he can't find ammo for, that he is less accurate with, but has confidence in it because the recoil.
@sugargoldy there's around 3 loadings for factory ammo, which the power point load is the only one we can find up here in quebec, for $140/box. Not to mention this is the kinda guy that wants to pay at most $50/box for premium, and has resorted to asking around for people to reload for him to save money. He asked me, but didn't like my quote. Haha
Tell that guy the easy fix. Buy any caliber barrel he wants, keep the action and stock and get it rebarreled into any other short mag he wants. I'd recommend 300WSM since Lapua is now making the brass. He can easily rebarrel the action with a 6.5PRC (have to pay attention to OAL), 270WSM, 300WSM, 7PRCW. Depending on what rifle brand it is there's a possibility it can convert to a long action. Tikka, for instance, is one length action. Thus, if you own, say a 270WSM, you can convert it to any long action magnum you want with a new barrel, new long bolt stop, and a cheap polymer mag in long action
@derekmcmurry4263 his 325 is a BLR, I suggested he learn to shoot his 30-06, but after losing idk how many deer, his confidence in 30-06 being enough for deer is gone. Despite me showing him footage of the deer I've killed with cartridges as small as 223.
My feeling is they skipped over the best one of them all, the 35 WSM. A great cartridge that never got made. They even could have nicknamed it the Whelen sport magnum.
Why does everyone dump on the 8mm?? Actually the Vortex nation people said the 8mm Remington magnum is a lead Ballon. They have no clue what they are talking about! My 8mm Remington Magnum I can get 3000+ velocity with every bullet weight!! 150, 170, 175, 180, 195, 196, and 200!! Haven't tried Sierra's 225's yet. And bullets are cheaper than .338 bullets!! And obviously bigger than .308!!!
🕵️♂️ It Seems To Me That If The 6.8 Western is As Good As Advertised, Then It Would Only Make Sense to Neck It Up to 30 Caliber? It Appears to Be a Better Cartridge Than The 300 wsm to Handle The Heavier 30 Caliber Bullets? Your Thoughts Austin? Has Anyone Done This Yet? 🤔
Necking up a cartridge almost always fails. Name me one that has been a massive hit. The 6.8 Western has a smaller case than the 300 WSM. And let's say you put a 1in8 twist on the 30 Western... it's going too slow with a 230 gr and bigger bullet.
7wsm rifles are easy to find on gun broker and Choice Ammunition has good amount of ammo i got 100 rds of 168gr Bergers from them down side is anywhere u find ammo for it gone be about 100$ a box n good luck finding brass any other way
RW, nice video. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the WSM family did absolutely nothing that hadn't been done for 40+ years before they came along. Sure they got the ball rolling again on the short/fat design. All of these new cartridges are simply trying to duplicate what other cartridges were doing years earlier. If more new shooters were coming into the game there might be room for these new wonder-nothings, but I predict that most will soon be obsolete. I'll even add that the WSSM line was truly a joke. 22, 24, 25 calibers that did nothing at all special. Sadly I believe that the WSM and WSSM line and their subsequent action lines help to lead Winchester to bankruptcy.
I think a large percentage of the public shares your opinion of the WSM's and that's why their popularity declined significantly. I feel they have their best use as long range precision cartridges - particularly the 300WSM and the 300WSM necked down to 7mm - in custom rifles. But as hunting cartridges they're basically a novelty.
The whole point was to duplicate other calibers performance though. They just did it in a shorter rifle, and frankly were ahead of their time. The popular PRCs are essentially just versions of WSM/SAUM with better marketing
As far as the cartridge design, there's really only two negatives with the WSM's - at least when you're talking about mass produced hunting rifles using short actions. The first, is that bullets have to be seated rather deeply to fit in the magazines. The other is the fact that some rifle designs are not well suited for good cartridge feeding of the WSM's. As for ballistic performance they are extremely accurate and efficient. Many long range shooters have built long action guns in these calibers so that they could use long heavy bullets seated out farther and with faster twist rates. I used to read a lot of Rick Jamison's articles when he was a gun writer. My opinion of him changed when he sued Winchester, and I thought he was a real prick for doing so. His cartridges required you to buy 404 Jeffrey brass and go through several tedious operations to have working brass. Winchester used a similar design but with a rim diameter compatible with the standard belted magnum bolt face. We had a new design in rifle cartridges available in a factory rifle that was, in some ways, superior to previous designs. But Mr. Jamison had to go and try to ruin that for us. I'm glad to see the 300 and 270 having a bit of a comeback.
All too often the knuckle head who reads these BS gun magazines or comments thinks that bullets seat deep is a bad thing, but I build rifles and AR 10s in cartridges like the 6.5-284 Norma using 156 grain bullets seated deep in the case and still can't fill the cartridge full of powder or have serious pressure primer blow out and stuck cases. Just today I was in the forest shooting my own AR 10 in 6.5-284 Norma and AR 10 in 375WSM with groups touching and both these cartridges must have bullets seated deep for magazines. The powered charges in these cartridges are 1/4 inch below the case neck and this load is at max pressure even leaving bolt head marks on brass head.
@@dalebenson6859 Other than reducing case capacity and raising pressures deeply seated bullets aren't necessarily a horrible thing, but heavy bullets seated very deep is not a good thing for either accuracy or performance. For your AR10's I suppose it's necessary for proper function. I would imagine that AR10 in 375WSM would be comforting to have in bear country. Back when I used to read gun magazines we didn't have the internet to entertain us like we do today. Rick Jamison was a knowledgeable and experienced hunter, wildcatter, and gun writer who generally knew a lot about what he was talking about. But when he sued Winchester he lost a lot of fans.
@@8MM.PRC.HUNTER And no the AR 10 in 375 WSM isn't just a bear gun, I am using for all hunting from black tail Deer to Roosevelt Elk especially to anchor these Elk on the spot in Pacific NW rain forest so not to have to go looking for a hit Elk that doesn't want to give up.
@@8MM.PRC.HUNTER By the way you accept my shooting challenge the AR 10 in 6.5-284 Norma is shooting 156 grain bullets seated far into the case and it shoots constant 1/2 or less at 100 yards and even with cheap PPU bullets in round nose 156 grain that is what I get when using Pac Nor SS super match barrels. So on everything you are full of BS !
🤷♂️ It All Comes Down to Recoil and Performance! In a Light Rifle The 325 wsm Has More Recoil Than the 338 WM, But Not As Good As Performance! The Same Goes For the 7 wsm vs. the 7mm RM and More So The 7 WBY Magnum! The Same Can't Be Said For the 270 wsm vs. The 270 WBY Regarging Recoil, But The Performance Still Falls A Little Short! The Only One That Truly Accomplishes The Recoil Savings, While Matching The Bigger Cartridges Performance is The 300 wsm! 🥳
@ReloadingWeatherby Nothing to be sorry about. Just an idea for you. Although I don't have the rifles, I do collect cartridges. The WSSM's are just odd.
the CHAMBERING i almost bought, 7mm wsm. They fell out of favor, and a savage with the accutrigger = $350 cdn. then you have to get brass and dies. I may go with .300 wsm in a P-14, we will see. The imminent collapse may dampen my enthusiasm.
When it comes to WSM im sorry but there is no best to worse,they are all the best thing since creamy peanut butter, now if you rank them on available ammunition,,the best of them all will come out the worst and that my friends is the 7mm wsm
🕵️♂️ The 325 WSM Shown in The Picture Has Only 3 Available Offerings on Midway USA! Yesterday, I Talked to Someone Who Owns One (My Butcher Friend) in a Kimber Rifle and He Said That It Kicks More Than His 338 Winchester Magnum! ☹
I love my 270wsm and definitely like it more than any 7. 300wsm is probably the best. I like the idea of the 325 but I don’t see enough of an improvement over the 300 for it to be better in my mind.
Ultimate reloader got smashed by peoples comments when you tubers talk smack and the viewers lash out because they didnt listen on the mossberg patriot loved it when they buy expensive guns or build them and still didnt give the viewers wat they wanted lol 😂
