Project Ultra: Germany Wants a Stronger Compact Pistol 

Daniel von Strangle great.

Christopher MacLennan Lmao. No wonder why it was lolified.

It would have been nice to have a P38 next to this to compare size. As well as some actual rounds to compare to each other. Either dummy or live.

Or labeled it an assault rifle and have it perform well.

Far too practical. You’d have to equip it with volley sights marked out to 1,000km and claim it could hit London.

@@Activated_Complex and add a v2 attachment

Jonas Klarstrup you have to look at it from the barrel's perspective. Quit being so slide-centric.

The slide rotates around the penis... er... hmm... the barrel slides into the vagi... noooooo!

They played with their PP until something new happened

@@dzonbrodi514 -- *_They played with their PP until something new happened_* They went blind?

@@samditto both are correct.

I really want to have some of them

Tune in next week for Project MKUltra: Ian Drops Acid.

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Maschinen Karabiner Ultra

Алексей Глазов The gsh-18 is 9x19.

SR1 is 9x21, GSh-18 is overpressured 9x19

The ГШ-18 is actually a pretty amazing gun it has pretty great ergonomics and an interesting special 9mm bullet Variant I always hoped Ian would do a video on it ( and the the yargin pistol as well)

nardgames, my mistake)

Dankbeast Paul How does it compare to the 7.62x25? The tokarev is a 9 mm+p (+p is an American SAAMI designation for extra powerful rounds) with a .30 inch bullet.

That would be the MK Ultra PP.

Gun used by glow in the dark CIA ((agents))

Actually that’s ‘midnight climax’, MKULTRA was all psychedelics.

@@emnigmamachine why the parenthesis

Lame

"Lame" Bahahahahahaa ok then 'SteveVi0lence'

Lame

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Your PP is weaker than mine! LOL

BenjiMan Wasn't the Makarov a shortened Parabellum?

That's what I understood also, 9x18 Makarov is a slightly fatter 1st cousin to the Ultra

Nope, different projectile diameter, 9x19 is .355 9x18 is .365 and the Makarov round is tapered. You may be able to fire a makarov round in a parabellum chambered firearm but it will be head spacing on the extractor not the case mouth and will probably break the extractor or just not eject, not great for the barrel either.

I've always heard the Mak is .363". I too have heard the Mak was inspired at least somewhat by the 9x18 Ultra. However, the Soviets specifically went to a different bors diameter so that their ammo was in no way compatible with NATO ammo. And it probably wouldn't reliably cycle a 9x19 anyway.

Like 5.56 inspired them to 5,45x39

In other words: Just about enough for most self-defence applications. Which is exactly what a downed pilot would want (or a German policeman for that matter).

Exactly. I mean, I personally still consider 9mm short to be an adequate self-defence cartridge (which is why I love my PPK so much - everything I need, as small as I want), so something even more powerful would be plenty for me.

Probably means the worst of one without the best of the other.

it's actually a 9mm Glisenti with a shortened case. So much that Fiocchi used the same load for its 9mm Police and 9mm Glisenti cartridges.

King Leonidas 5.56 NATO bullet diameter is 5.70mm. .22LR bullet diameter is 5.72mm. The difference obviously is in how much pressure there is behind the projectiles.

Legendary_Sid it’s a favourite of mine. Production and content have got better and better over the years and it’s up there with the best at this stage.

Alexander Marinin oooooh that makes sense! Cheers :D

No such simple rule. There are four ways to define caliber: bore diameter, groove diameter, bullet diameter and countless arbitrary (like marketing) reasons. Examples of confusing markings: - 30-06 and 308 Win use the same bullet diameter (.308") - ditto with 38 Spl and 357 Mag (.357") - 380 Auto uses .355" bullets - 44 Mag uses .429" bullets Etc etc. A caliber marking gives a general idea of the diameter of the bullet and the bore, but in the end it's just a given name for a certain cartridge and chambering whose exact dimensions are defined by CIP and SAAMI.

because there are 2 different primary 7.62's on the market 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54R Rimmed, for 9x18 its usually 9mm MAK and for 9x19mm its usually 9mm or 9mm NATO.

There is actually a reason for the .38 vs .357, with a surprisingly long history. In the days of black powder cap and ball handguns .36 was a popular caliber (the Cold Navy revolver of 1851) Having the bullet the exact same caliber as the barrel means it wouldn't engage the rifling, so there was a forcing cone that squeezed the bullet to the barrels width of slightly less than .36 - to a nominal .357. Now comes cartridges, eliminating the need for separate cap and ball, and if you can't get a new build weapon, you take an old one to a machine shop and bore through the cylinder, making it a little wider. Hence you get old .36 guns now firing the .38 bullet (named for the total width of the new brass case). Shortly thereafter, smokeless powder gets introduced, which is a lot more powerful. So you would have the same size bullet, but only partially filled with propellant. Come the 1920s someone gets the idea of making a super .38 round by filling the empty space with extra nito powder. Easy enough, but then its too much pressure for old guns built to black-powder pressure. So they made the round a little longer so it couldn't fit in old guns, and named it after the diameter of the barrel lands/forcing cone rather than the size of the brass. So .38 special is .38 Long colt, made a little shorter to accommodate for more effective propellant, and .357 is .38LC loaded to its full potential, and a little longer to avoid exploding old guns. Classics never die...

Some clued up gents in this reply....

_More_ reliable?? I thought P-38s (not counting late-war throw-togethers) had a reasonable rep for reliability?

Yayo' Ariowibowo Ja das Kolibri

Da Vid Kolibri ist maskulin -> der Kolibri

Yayo' Ariowibowo güt is not a word in german language. gut ~ good

Jumper Harz Zat's da joke

Ian - Gunlab collaboration sound nice

Call " trans- arms" in germany. They have millions of ammo 9*18 ultra. ( this is old info( 2012),but you can try.

@@alexandruborodin755 Oh if I still had the guns in question I would. For a while was trimming down brass and loading my own but was just a hassle so I stopped.

Vegas Cycling Freak This gun is not blowback. It's a short recoil rotating barrel pistol.

Andrew Suryali -- Right... I was watching while working, I think I got that detail wrong lol. But still, I can't imagine there is that much difference between 9x18 and 9x19. I just wonder what the point is.

Vegas Cycling Freak I've wondered the same thing. Why so much difference between 9x17/18/19? Is 9x17 pushing the reasonable limits of blowback in a smaller pistol? Maybe it's my ignorance, but 9x17 always seems to be blowback while 9x19 is always some sort of locked breech.

The shortened case is only required so that the gun will not chamber a 9mm Parabellum round by mistake. It has no relation with the load contained. Power-wise the 9mm Ultra round is in the same ballpark of the 9x20 mm Browning Long, the 9x18mm Makarov and 9x19mm Glisenti. The first two had been specifically designed to be the most powerful load usable in a blowback pistol without weight disadvantages, the third one came to the same result by chance (infact it had been designed for the breechlock Glisenti 1910, but it was then fired by the blowback Beretta 1915 too).

I didn't see how the barrel locks up here. Sliding through the channel while making the barrel rotate offers some resistance, I suppose, but wouldn't that be a delayed blowback? I'm sure I'm missing something here.

@@donjones4719 Kinda, Like with the Obregon, Beretta PX4, Grand Power, old Savages, and some others, lugs on the barrel lock into the slide-like a tilting browning action, but instead of the tilt releasing the lugs, angles in the lugs force the barrel to rotate to the point where the lugs aren't engaged so it can cycle. I think it's super neat, I'd love if a modern company reproduced an Obregon.

@@washingtoncommandcenter5541 I found the Obregon video (it was on the recommendation sidebar). The action is clearer to me now, but I'd love to know how the recoil on the Obregon felt vs the 1911A1.

@@donjones4719 Same, never seen one in person, kind of a dream gun for me but the 9mm Beretta PX4s are really nice and they have them in 45. The new S&W 5.7 have some kind of rotary barrel system and they are supposed to be crazy light shooting.

I had a Beretta 8085 with rotary lockup that torqued sideways when it fired, but the sights were mounted on the slide and did not rotate. I think the torque may be the characteristic that killed this design.

@@dbmail545 ok, I'll look that up, I know the Austrian Steyr auto of 1914 with the 9x21? straight cart had a rotating barrel lockup but required to be clean and in good order to function properly...Germans modified them to 9x19 (luger/para)...stripper clip fed.. I thought a modern version of this pistol Ian had shown may have been a start of a good idea... Cheers

That would basically be the Walther P5C. A truly lovely pistol, like a 9mm Parabellum PP. IMO still the best thing Walther has ever put on the market.

You'd have about a one inch barrel

Ben D Jr that's fine with me. It is basically a pocket pistol after all.

"That is clearly a PP cocker" :P

The PP in 9mm Super was not about legality of the cartridge (Germany has never banned cartridges on the basis of its use in the military, like France and some other countries did), Walther tried to establish the PP Super as an upgrade over the regular PP, because the cartridge is noticeably more powerful than 9mm short. And ammo was (and is) pretty difficult to get in Europe as well, since 9mm Super never took off.

An additional issue was, that Germany didn’t really put any emphasis on cartridges back then. When training their soldiers, the cartridges were named after the type of weapon they were to be used with, i.e. 9mm Parabellum was simply called „Pistolenpatrone“, with no regards to measurements. Likewise, 8mm Mauser was simply called „Gewehrpatrone“. In fact, 8mm*33 Mauser was also called „Pistolenpatrone“ in the beginning, until someone noticed how confusing that was, so it was changed to „Karabinerpatrone“. The whole thing got even more confusing thanks to the SS using their own naming scheme for cartridges (typically referring to their measurements), because their armament was much more varied and included quite a lot of different cartridges - referring only to „Pistolenpatrone“ would have been insane, when half your units are requesting 9mm short, or even .32 ACP.