Projects aren't always successful - nVidia P106-90 Mining GPU

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Not every project ends in success, and some of the worst failures never make it onto video. Today, I'm looking at ONE of the many failed hardware concepts from my years on RU-vid, in hopes I can save you similar headaches in the future.
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@CraftComputing 2 года назад

Shout out to Rambo for making sure to rub hair all over my black shirt immediately before filming. I couldn't ask for a better studio assistant -_-

@DigitEgal 2 года назад

Didnt even see it - too much cat hair on my monitor xD This gonna be my favourite series of your channel, sharing is caring - especially at fails :D

@FlaxTheSeedOne 2 года назад

I seee another 5FDP fan if the starting quotation is something to go by.

@DigitEgal 2 года назад

Will Jeff continue this series? NO! Thats why we are talking about.

@mattenpedak4634 2 года назад

Sorry but sell them and buy 6gb model :))

@Kolohekat 2 года назад

Can't see the cat hair

@Scitch87 2 года назад

Jeff: * tries multiple ways to make 2 mining GPUs workable for gaming so he can make a video about them but fails * GPUs: * rise in value because mining craze picks up again * Jeff: *STONKS* 📈

@Scootin159 2 года назад

I bought 10x P106-90's about fall 2019 for ~$20/ea. I got them mostly just to experiment with mining, and learn how it all worked. Got them working with ETC and RVN (the 3GB VRAM isn't enough for ETH), and while I was making money... it probably wasn't really enough to cover the power bill. The earnings did go up quite a bit in Q2 2020, enough to be undeniably profitable, but still, nothing to get too excited about. I ended up selling them all in Q1 2021 for ~$300/ea. That's where I really made the money on that investment...

@thomasdriskill5254 2 года назад

I got 70 p106-090 for $25 each on eBay December 2020. I still have them running on nice hash

@nachogsr5085 2 года назад

I guess you could try using a hardware flasher in order to flash the firmware you wanted, that way you're not limited by nvflash's compatibility and you can also recover bad flash attempts with ease.

@Pavlogal 2 года назад

Everybody like this comment, this may be it

@the_broly_arms 2 года назад

LMAO. I laughed EVERY time you said, "No... which is why we're talking about them". Top quality as usual.

@pieter-yt 2 года назад

Yeah it's great lmao

@jtd8719 2 года назад

Your delivery was pretty spot on. "Did it work? No. That's why we're talking about this."

@CharredChar 2 года назад

I wanted to thank you very much for this video. While it doesn't specifically help me for anything I am working on or planning to work on I feel it is great to share these kinds of stories and "failures" for anyone else searching in the future. I have no idea how many times I've searched for odd stuff kind of like this and came up empty handed, not even failures. Thank you!

@marcelthorsen 2 года назад

This sort of content is exactly why I’m subscribed to the channel. Great video!

@ajhieb 2 года назад

Jeff, you said you weren't successful flashing the new firmware with Nvidia's tool, but you didn't mention how that went wrong. Was the flashing successful, but the new firmware still didn't work, or could you just not get the new firmware flashed? If the latter, have you tried a hardware flasher like a CH341a? I managed to totally trash the IPMI firmware on a Supermicro board and fixed it with one of those tools. They're fairly inexpensive and allow you to fiddle with all sorts of devices. I don't know for sure if that card has a compatible eeprom, but the CH341a can flash a ton of different SPI and I2C compatible chips. Also, if you don't have a CH341a handy, don't do firmware upgrades when you're drinking.... which is why I'm talking about them.

@Dee_Just_Dee 2 года назад

Yup, this is definitely worth talking about. So this card is really locked-in for its niche purpose and its niche purpose only. And you've done a good public service by working that out and letting the rest of us know. So it wasn't work for nothing. You contributed to the knowledgebase AND are getting a return on your investment. So, at the end of the day, it's a double win rather than a loss.

@markolafploeg3265 2 года назад

Nice to know you tested even more then we can already see on youre channel...the projects were certainly successful...because the learning curve is very high and like you said good investment penny wise :P and shows some weird choices which the companies make...also money wise ;)

@systemmodmen2157 2 года назад

You need to get an award for best intros of all time

@marcogenovesi8570 2 года назад

I'm pretty sure the "what can go wrong" series has been a mainstay of this channel for a while

@MrMrTomek 2 года назад

LOL, just hour ago I commented video Two Gamers one GPU asking about p106 for this purpose. Didn't beleive when saw title of this one :D Great content Jeff.

@preludelight 2 года назад

Fantastic episode. I wonder if those mining cards would make useful VM-only cards just as hardware acceleration for desktop environments and they sort.

@metrotechguru5863 2 года назад

Nice video Jeff. It's real life. Not every project works out they way we want. Sometimes they don't work at all. But, hopefully we can learn something from them.

@jamerperson 2 года назад

Please continue this series!

@DigitEgal 2 года назад

Will Jeff continue this series? NO! Thats why we are talking about.

@reto 2 года назад

Did you try Cuda on those mining cards? Could be pretty neat for some ML stuff - image upscaling, labeling etc.

@Boros2Me 2 года назад

Have you thought about running deep learning benchmarks? Would be interesting to see how's the CUDA cores per $$$ compares to alternative cards!

@gustavgustaffson9553 2 года назад

Was gonna ask the same thing

@liaminwales 2 года назад

3GB VRAM will give a lot of problems there.

@Wirenfeldt1990 2 года назад

Curious why you pronounce every letter in NVENC, when most tech tubers just say En-Venc, but do pronounce iSCSI as Eye-skuz-ee and not individual letters .. I’m sure it would have shaved at least 25 seconds off total video length 😋

@tinfoilfox 2 года назад

I do it all the time on acronyms that I don't like the sound of. For example, I personally don't like pronouncing GUI as gooey, so I just say the letters. I think the most important thing is making sure that the person you're talking to understands what you're talking about. As long as you both understand which acronym you're talking about, then I don't think it matters how you say it :)

@techbuildspcs 2 года назад

@@tinfoilfox this so much

@thetalesofdaneandco 2 года назад

The callback humor was appreciated.

@JeffBreyer 2 года назад

"Which is why we're talking about it." Love it.

@NickyNiclas 2 года назад

3GB is useless for mining now since the currently profitable coins have a DAG size of more than 3GB, at least when I checked about a month ago.

@mycosys 2 года назад

Been tempted by one of those T400 cards. Just want something for my HTPC to run my new 55" 4k HDR WCG VRR screen (tho it'll be ending up in an r5 1600AF build or i5 4590S HP server cos thats whats around). Be nice if it could handle some low end gaming i guess but as long as i can stream remote form my r9 its not a biggie). How many NVENC streams does it handle out of interest?

@crazyivan315 2 года назад

I used a p102-100 for 3d photogrammetry and blender renders, so these cards certainly support CUDA compute if you're looking for a use but with only 768 cores it's not going to be stellar. I also sold my p102-100 for nearly 6x what I paid for it.

@TadashiHD 2 года назад

I really like this video!

@spikeygoc 2 года назад

Great video

@TeeJizzile 2 года назад

how do you select your drinks for your videos? recommendations? drawn out of a hat? following someone else's schedule? enquiring minds want to know! p.s. LOVE the content

@Zenefor 2 года назад

is it possible to solder a video output port to a mining card to get a picture?

@pauld4238 2 года назад

I've been trying to get 2 Quadro P4000's that are in a Dell Precision 7920 Tower to pass thru via Hyper-V 2016 Server. I've got Hyper-V seeing the cards, but I can't seem to get the passthru working. Any ideas?

@Arek_R. 2 года назад

"High 10s and low 20s" Bro, what about "Around 20" xD

@TechTested 2 года назад

I am not sure I can count the number of times my projects never made it to video due to complete failure. Glad to see its not just me lol

@carterbabin6867 2 года назад

I've been working so hard at using looking glass on my P106-100. Maybe that's something to considers?

@ericblenner-hassett3945 2 года назад

Will failures stop happening? No, that's why we are talking about it 😁 Definitly keep up this kind of ontent!

@solidus1983 2 года назад

Have you tried the SPI Flashing route? I.e Dump the vbios via SPI and then flash the 3GB Zotac vbios?? Might be worth a shot.

@rodrigoverclocker 5 месяцев назад

I saw a P106-090 with a DVI output and wanted to ask if anyone knows if this output displays video

@Thesaltymaker 2 года назад

Thanks for being open about failure, and sharing your experience. This isn’t a platform that encourages “well, this did not work”. I wonder if they could be used for AI model training or general Cuda compute needs. I’m working on teaching a class at a non profit using jetson nanos as the data collection and inference engine, but having a bit of horse power ( even if limited to 3gb ram and 700 cuda cores) would speed up model training for the students. For your business it’s most likely the best call to sell Them on eBay while you can, but if you’d like a donation tax write off feel free to reach out.

@dexsters5643 2 года назад

Im guessing the EEPROM bios forcing using a external flasher doesnt work? Even tho thats what the sccammers on wish you use to turn GTS 450 into GTX 1050

@crenn6977 2 года назад

I liked the bit where he said "No, that's why we're talking about it"

@gustavgustaffson9553 2 года назад

What about using them for compute applications though?

@amnottabs 2 года назад

what can you mine today on those 3GB to explain that ebay price though? last time I checked miners were after 6GB and up GPUs

@fffrrraannkk 2 года назад

That's what I'm wondering too. I thought he was nuts when he said how much they are worth, but I checked ebay and he's not. I was under the impression 4GB is the absolute minimum, and it won't be long until those cards stop working. Edit: Maybe the sellers are using mining hype to sell these to people who don't know better, and who just see "mining" in the name and assume they will work.

@nphil93992 2 года назад

Can you run folding@home on them?

@gsd2404 2 года назад

My GTX1060 6GB run for 15min then screen flickers in green, i tried changing thermal paste but situation doesn't change, any solution please help 🙏

@akestrel1987 2 года назад

I'm now glad something happened with my bios flash. But im also upset the it didn't work

@twobombs 2 года назад

Added a gtx1030 to display the game content created on the p106-90. Also, last summer vacation I created a docker image to game with that card on vulkan. I hear there is an opengl wrapper nowadays for vulkan, thats on my xmas holiday todo list. For now I use the p106-90 now to do quantum calculations. Advice ? Sell one ( not both ) before ethereum collapses. That should cover all costs, but you still have one for fun and glory. Unless you want to do SLI. ( you don't 8t ? )

@dionelr 2 года назад

One of the things I’ve always wanted to do is take one of these cards and see what it would take to flash the firmware, solder a display out, and get a GPU out of it. It would obviously not be worth it, but my brain wants to know what would it take to do it. My only problem is having the time to do so.

@squishy312 2 года назад

I wonder how those cards would be in Blender for rendering in cycles. It'd be nice to use as a secondary and trinary card rather than my main GPU for rendering, and working in Blender.

@protistman 2 года назад

I've used one of these daily for gaming in an older intel machine (ivybridge i believe) for the past year or so. I've got POPos on it and most of the games are played using Lutris and the Epic game store. It worked plug and play. Zero effort on my part. Uses the p016-90 for rendering games and the onboard graphics for output. pretty slick for the ~$35 i paid for it when it was considered trash. Delivered from china in a plastic garbage bag. Expectations were very low, but ive been pretty happy.

@SPLaholic 2 года назад

I just had a P106-90 go south on me, last night. Working on cleaning and repasting it, to see if that'll fix it. At least I'm not losing "much" hashrate

@bradmorri 2 года назад

Kepler cards set gforce/quadro differentiation with an array of resistors on the board. different values changed the card type. Maybe they are doing the same on the mining cards

@americanlumberjack8160 2 года назад

can we get a "No, that's why we are talking about it" merchandise? like stickers or t shirts or something?

@DigitEgal 2 года назад

NO!

@DigitEgal 2 года назад

Thats why we are talking about :D

@liaminwales 2 года назад

The only thing that comes to mind is a compute card for video editing but at only 3GB VRAM it's not going to be amazing. Resolve will use it but may not work past 1080P, 4K needs something like 6-8GB VRAM.

@robertmiddleswarth4770 2 года назад

What video card works well with Plex that can be picked up cheap?

@jonmayer 2 года назад

P400 is still a great snag at around $100 currently. It can do more than one [4K] NVENC stream if you use unlocked drivers (which is a super easy thing to do in Linux, but I haven't tried in Windows).

@laloajuria4678 2 года назад

wooo celiac shout out!

@johngrabner 2 года назад

An idea for a video: How to automate shutdown of all the servers when UPS batteries run low.

@PhillRengers 2 года назад

Alternate Title: "Did that work? No. That's why we're talking about it."

@denvera1g1 2 года назад

Hopefully gaming on the A100 will be joining us on a different series than this one.

@tonyb7977 2 года назад

Tried similar things on my Zotac P104-100 with the same result. Even tried to revive PCIe x16 and HDMI.... With no success. I later found out that video outputs and NVEnc are fused off and there is absolutely no way to re-enable it. The only thing it's good for, is being a decent compute accelerator.

@jasongage493 2 года назад

Can we see what happend to the xbox pc build i was looking forward to that

@DigitEgal 2 года назад

Will Jeff continue this series? NO! Thats why we are talking about.

@youtubasoarus 2 года назад

4:25 - Could you not theoretically grab the firmware chip off another, higher end GPU and stick it on? (ie. running identical specs otherwise just w/the disabled stuff unlocked) and if it's a 1 time prom chip, maybe swap in an EEPROM instead w/the custom or other firmware written? I know it's a lot of bullshit but could work.

@greenprotag 2 года назад

What is emulation performance like on these GPUs? Requirements for certain types of emulation can be handled with very little GPU overhead and your cloud gaming PCs might be able to handle the IPC Requirements of higher end emulation.

@greenprotag 2 года назад

The idea being, if you use less GPU power the rest could be used for encode and you could run the GPUs as a steam deck slave with a rom archive.

@matthewday7565 2 года назад

The high risk method, force flash a BIOS using a CH341A and programming clip (first reading the old BIOS with the clip so you could throw it back on if it didn't work)

@stefanmisch5272 2 года назад

There should be laws against creating such an e-waste.

@KillaBitz 2 года назад

My guess is they are made from faulty silicon anyway so the nvenc part was already faulty. These are probably the die's that weren't good enough to be a 6gb p106 and the 6g p106 is the die's that weren't good enough to be a 3gb 1060 and the 3gb 1060 is the dies that weren't good enough to be a 6gb 1060. That is some pretty terrible silicon so basically they already are trying to prevent e-waste. The only other option was throw them in the bin so they sold them to miners at a discount (because there resale value is less than gaming GPU's)

@guywhoknows 2 года назад

Ahh see this is a positive video as someone may try this and not know it's a fail. So a plus and yeah eBay them. I would imagine that you would need a programmer, clip on the pins and do the reflash enable and then flash them. Or brick it and then in brick it. Which I don't recommend.

@HProfessorKnox 2 года назад

I bought a P106-100 with the same intention to use the NVENC, but I ran into the same issue... Now it ended up in my tiny mobile "Gaming Rig" for some leighter games. Fortunately the Nvidia driver for Linux lets me use the integrated graphics ports on my mainboard through Nvidia PRIME without any issues. I also managed to record my gameplay through Intel QuickSync with the old i7-2600 I use in there.

@Celician83 2 года назад

Surprised he didn't link the Ebay auction for these in the description as well😂

@CraftComputing 2 года назад

...yet

@Celician83 2 года назад

@@CraftComputing 🤣🤣🤣

@KillaBitz 2 года назад

3gb isn't worth much now (even the 4gb cards are looking like they are not long for this world) but in a bull market someone will buy them. You'd best get them sold quick.

@Doctor_X 2 года назад

thanks for this... on an aside: i am celiac with very limited ways to get gf beer. Got a source?

@15fakeaccount 2 года назад

That's very shame that these mining cards can't be used for nvenc, what a waste of resources when these aren't profitable anymore for mining.

@grumpywolfgaming 2 года назад

I was gonna literally say get a P400, lol. I got one a while back for around 80 bucks.

@MichaelBoumanPegasus4x4 2 года назад

Another interesting thing about these zotac cards is that they are limited to PCIE x4 speeds. I did make the modified GPU drivers and was able to use them for compute. They also overclock reasonably. They don't really work well for anything else in my experiments. More or less they just ran Folding@Home for a couple of months, then I sold them on ebay as you may very likely do.

@castor9907 2 года назад

They're not limited to pcie 4x speeds. It's even worse, I tested one of these cards myself and they're limited to 1x

@MichaelBoumanPegasus4x4 2 года назад

@@castor9907 I tested mine on three different platforms and each showed x4 availability. That being said, if it is somehow locked to 1x speed, that would certainly explain the abysmal performance I had under certain workloads.

@castor9907 2 года назад

@@MichaelBoumanPegasus4x4 I tested on windows and Linux on a few different motherboards on a few different generations (haswell, Skylake, and comet lake) and the card never registered as running higher than pcie 1x speed even under full load. you can test this by trying to play a game like Minecraft on it and playing in a lower resolution and then if you raise it to 1080p the performance will tank beyond reason because 1080p takes more bandwidth just to render in the first place and the card is bottlenecked to hell by that specifically. It's basically a 1050 ti with 3 gigs of memory so 4 pcie Lanes would be enough to still have most of the card's performance afaik

@andrewmcewan9145 Год назад

Its pci-e x4 at verson 1.1 ~ x1 3.0 1 year late.

@unknownsoldier4156 2 года назад

Ah the mining crash that was 18 months ago. I managed to pick up a Rosewill 4u mining case for $100 and an ASUS B250 mining expert motherboard for $40. My intent was to build a massive PFSense router with its 19 pcie slots. I even ordered 19 four port gigabit card from intel. I've yet to test it but the board itself was worth about 400 to 700, too bad I'm not selling it.

@ltech4174 2 года назад

RU-vidr AGTech has the P106-100 running as a Server-GPU for Encoding.

@Vatharian 2 года назад

Are they seen in Blender as a CUDA rendering device?

@francescosalice2621 Год назад

Yes!

@francescosalice2621 Год назад

The P106-90 has only 3gb of ram and this seriously limits the complexity of the scenes to be rendered, because the card's ram is used to load all the textures and other data needed for rendering. According to what is indicated on the Blender website, it is better to use cards with 8gb of ram, but it all depends on the 3D scene; I think the P106-90 is fine to do a basic experimentation. Anyway, back to your question, the answer is "yes", CUDA cores are perfectly recognized by Blender.

@ThiagoOliveiraCabral 2 года назад

NO thats why we are talking about.

@TheSystemZA 2 года назад

@CraftComputing - Check out "Hacking NVidia Cards into their Professional Counterparts" on EEVBlog. This is quite an old post and I am not sure that Nvidia still uses this method to identify cards, but it could be worth a shot. I am thinking you could change the resistor configuration to make the card identify as a standard 1060 (or 1050?), the utilise the NVFlash that you acquired to flash the appropriate firmware.

@CraftComputing 2 года назад

I've posted on that exact thread for a number of different cards ;-)

@kenzieduckmoo 2 года назад

Take a drink every time he says N V E N C instead of NVENC (En-Vank)

@tassadarforaiur 2 года назад

Ewaste fast-track for poorly binned rejects that would have otherwise been scrapped at the factory. It's fine to sell them, but can't let them have residual value, that would "harm" future profit.

@gh975223 2 года назад

perhaps the NVENC engine is buggered in these chips hence why disabled!

@thomasb1521 2 года назад

What about a T-shirt that says "did it work" on the front and "no, that's why I talk about it" on the back

@selenepecher9052 2 месяца назад

I don't have any problems using a P106-090 with 6GB as an eGPU using the latest Nvidia drivers.

@jdl3408 2 года назад

These cards do run CUDA so I’ve used them in an NVR to run ML based object detection. I have one of those cards and I was running Shinobi but it’s just sitting in a server turned off now. … They are selling for HOW MUCH?!? Ok that card is going up for sale.

@dkf2711 2 года назад

I was going to smash that like button but then I noticed there is no dislike counter. So what's the point?

@Bear-form 2 года назад

Can the card actually mine?

@GeFeldz 2 года назад

About 13 MH/s for ETH, so technically yes... But that's not a lot of hashing.

@KillaBitz 2 года назад

not really ETH dag is over 4gb now so maybe a few $ a week on poo coins

@GeFeldz 2 года назад

I get about 60 MH/s at 150W with my 3060ti, 13 MH/s or worse (with the ETH needing more than 3 GB of ram) at 60W isn't really that great.

@colonelangus7535 2 года назад

I want an rtx A2000 so bad.

@ruojautuma1 2 года назад

Maybe the real good content was the failures we made along the way

@DigitEgal 2 года назад

sharing is caring - especially at fails :D

@travis9438 2 года назад

I would use them in my gpu grid for Einstein@home. maybe they have some usefulness for scientific research

@Aurora_Dorealis 2 года назад

It doesn't have NVENC to make it e-waste. It's that simple. The sooner it's e-waste, the sooner it leaves the used market, reducing the supply of used GPUs and making it more likely for someone to go buy a new GPU from Nvidia.

@samiraperi467 2 года назад

Hey, at least it's content.

@KillaBitz 2 года назад

send them down the mine

@shapelessed 2 года назад

His name is Jeff.

@JustDontPls 2 года назад

Don’t really have a clue to what you’re saying just lack of knowledge but I left this video feeling more knowledgeable still don’t know what you’re talking about but feel like I learned something lol

@2009numan 2 года назад

why didn't you just sat envec as a word rather then letters ?

@Romnipotent 2 года назад

I would guess "Envenc" is known by those who deal with the tech and lingo a fair bit. Spelling it out means if you don't know it was an acronym you would from this decision of presentation. It would then be easier to look up NVENC to figure out what it was.

@jonmayer 2 года назад

I think most pronounce NVENC as "en venk" so it's easier to say over and over.

@TheWebstaff 2 года назад

3.33 because less requirements means more crap dies made it to the market.

@amateurwizard 2 года назад

Haha, I got one of those to trick my ASUS Motherboard into booting (because they make their consumer boards not boot without any kind of GPU, no matter what you do).

@amateurwizard 2 года назад

I wish this video was out a year ago, I learned all this the cheap but long hard way.

@Catge 2 года назад

Gluten free? Interesting

@Trylen 2 года назад

though if memory serves you're not much a fan of mining, if true, well these care suck at it now, you really want 6GB cards at the low end, 8GB or more to really get anything out of them. However, they can still serve a purpose in Folding at Home. Just a thought, though, yeah, $250 does sound better.

@patricktrakzel9657 2 года назад

You should visit Europe sometimes. Espacially Belgium has a lot of breweries, which make excellent beers. The Netherlands also has a lot of smaller breweries with a lot of choice. The Germans have their 'Rheinheitsgebot', rules about how to make pilsner, so in pilsner there is not a lot to do. About other beers from Germany I don't know a lot. How about Craft Beers? You can make a new chanel, tasting and talking about beers. That would totaly suite you. And give Rambo some kudles from me.

@dangingerich2559 2 года назад

At $250 and the power behind those, it would take about a year and a half to earn enough to justify them at current rates, but they almost certainly won't be able to mine profitably for the next year an a half because requirements to mine go up over time. They definitely wouldn't be worthwhile at even $100. I have a working 980Ti that goes on Ebay for about $300, that would beat this mining card down. I do not understand why it would be going for $250.

@computersales 2 года назад

Totally should just sell them and use the money for more exciting things.

@Squinoogle 2 года назад

Given the specs, it sounds like these chips are the most poorly binned chips from the production run. Quite possibly with faulty memory controlers, SMs, and likely nVenc units - so we've ended up with the lowest common denominator to actually make a saleable unit out of them. I'd hazzard a guess that that's why they won't flash to something more useable. Stick with the best business decision and flog them while you can ;)