Prologue: The Dutch Colonial Whip | The Indonesian War Of Independence 

That kind of sourcing is of a standard that you just don't see on RU-vid, worth every Patreon dollar.

Thank you, and thank you for your membership! This reception is what we aspire to.

@@TimeGhost I'm happy this conflict gets such extensive coverage. Cheers!

Isn't it pronounced "ark"ipelago? (Because it's a Greek word.)

Hi guys. There is a very similar channel called the "The Cold War" (they might got inspiration from you, idk) which covers, you guessed it, the cold war period and as I remember they already covered this topic. Did you contact each other? Can we expect some kind of collaboration from you? I think that would be pretty cool.

true true

I am sincerely curious, what do you mean by glorify? I know what the term means, but I am not familiar with how Indonesians glorify the Indonesian war of independence. Do they just justify any unethical acts they committed and always blame the Dutch? Essentially does the education system say "we good them bad"?

It's suprising how little is taught about indonesia and that region's history in western schools, considering how long we europeans struggled to reach it, trade with it and ultimately conquer it.

What come after is the bloodiest of all.The western world knew about it except Indonesian under state censorship.

@@apersonontheinternet595 it more pr less saying we're the good guys, we have the rights for independence ( actually this doesn't have much to do with the Dutch since the nation that promise Indonesia independently is Japan in WW2), but we have to spend 12 years in elementary, high, and senior high school just to hear the same part of history. There's no education about global history, mostly we're just learning about how our nation history. I don't know about you but i take that as glorification, also the text would make a good propaganda

I totally agree. I was immediately awed by yet another wonderfully created set and costume! I have to compliment TimeGhost for delivering such content with such splendour; it really makes your productions stand out!

@@jhgylugkfhfhlgf The amazing part is that it's just another corner of Astrid & Sparty's place in Bavaria, Germany. Add a little light & decor and you get magic.

It looks like a Hotel room in Spain

The set and Indy's costume felt as if straight out of Marguerite Duras' novels.

@@stc3145 Looks exactly like the Spanish hotels I've stayed in except for the lack of bare concrete walls. Sounds exactly like one too, except there aren't any neighbours shouting and breaking things. Might smell of hashish and beer like a Spanish hotel also often does but l have no way of telling. Wish l could stay at places like that. I'm writing this from inside a concrete box in Morocco.

Semoga kaum overproud gak kesini

@@AHappyCub kaum overproud jarang ad yg suka sejarah kyk gni

@@mrizal4233 wah jangan anggap remeh mereka, bisa aja tiba tiba nyerang kek macan

Janganka di luar, di negara sendiri pun masih banyak yg ga mendalami, taunya kita menang lawan penjajah pake bambu runcing

@@joechill9747 Apalagi "Bravo bravo" gak jelas

Then they should also avoid everything with the figurative use of exploding and burning, due to all the volcanos

especially Aceh

Indonesia has a lot of natural disaster risks, but it keeps on going. Kind of a fitting metaphor, considering Sukarno's more complicated legacy.

@@umjackd for us, it's just another tuesday

They ARE islands, though.

@Thanos 6.0 Manche aber mehr als andere, und wir Deutschen sind da auf jeden Fall bei den schlimmsten dabei.

Correct the bersiap is a festering wound in our history. This will be a painfull series for us Dutch to watch asking questions and talking about it is still a huge taboo after al those years. A former Indonesian KNIL soldier told me there were no victems under combatents just perpetrators in this conflict everybody was killing the other side in increasing horrible ways. At the height (there is evidence) civilians were cold blooded murdered (Russian eastern front style) by all sides. Lots of Christian Indonesian and half blood Indonesians and Chinese refugees came after the conflict to the Netherlands. They were denegrated and killed because they were not seen as true Indonesians. All was kept quite and swept under the rug after the conflict ended.

all nations commit crimes, some of them are responsible for them.

@Thanos 6.0 Ja aber ein Verhalten wird nicht akzeptabel nur weil es andere ebenso tun. Wir müssen immer bestreben so gut wie uns auch nur möglich damit umzugehen, und das kann auch mal bedeuten als positives Beispiel herauszustechen. Die AfD spricht oft von soetwas wie einem "Schuldkult", das halte ich aber für falsch. Es wird einfach nur das was man im Namen unseren Landes getan hat verarbeitet und es werden die Lektionen daraus gezogen die man daraus ziehen muss(antifaschismus, antirassismus, demokratische Werte, religöise Toleranz und die starke Opposition gegen Krieg und Gewalt). Ich stimme dir zu das die Morde Stalins oder der (so gut wie gar nicht) aufgearbeitete Völkermord an den Ureinwohnern Nordamerikans ebenfalls dunkle Schandflecken auf den Flaggen ihrer Länder sind, dennoch dürfen wir unsere Geschichte und unsere darauskommende Verantwortung nicht vergessen. Peace.

My Grandfather on my mother's side fought in Indonesia. The very few things that were told to me were they were always on short supply of food (would go for days without food) ,limited on weapons and disease was a big problem ( he got malaria). It was a very nasty war. There is alot of Indonesian influence in Dutch culture- growing up eating " Dutch cuisine" was really Indonesian. To this day Nasi Goreng is one of my favorite comfort foods. Yes, even though it will not be pretty, it will be good to learn about what happened.

Thank you

Hey you guys helped us too you know boycotting the dutch in your harbours I think it was in Sydney or just major&international harbours/ports

Australia was in fact the first country that strongly support for Indonesia independence through campaign in UN Assembly and pushing for UN sec council resolutions and becoming Indonesia appointed Australia (Richard Kirby) in Office of Goodwill Countries - Body sanctioned by UN (Dutch represented by Belgium, and the third was USA). Thank u Aussies... from Indonesia

you aren't really alone. the bloody conflict and atrocities committed in 1970s Canada is dismissed by Americans as hockey.

I feel like Sukarno is an underrated and a less well known than he should be figure.

Oh wait until you heard about his marriage life

Joe Andaru....Dewi (hot!)

@@joechill9747 Yeah, it was one hell of a trainwreck, or multiple trainwrecks, I suppose.

Don't forget he even have fun with 2 soviet whore and the soviet even make a video record of it.

Who is Karen Barbarossa?

Yeah Ive hardly heard anything about it in the west so it’s welcomed surprise

@@d.e.b.b5788 She works in the Moscow KFC

@@d.e.b.b5788 The Italian general's red-headed daughter with some pretty electric facial hair

As a dutch guy its also very interesting to watch

you mean 1914?

You worked with them? Wow... I just started watching your series on Indonesia.

@@luxembourgishempire2826 Did some factchecking and stuff. Nothing too big, but a small helping hand :)

@@HistoryHustle I'm impressed. Keep up the good work.

Leuk om te horen dat ze u ook hebben ingeschakeld om een zo genuanceerde blik mogelijk te geven.

Heyyyy i thought someone was bringing the hustle ;)

What do you think of the way Suriname is told in Dutch history?

Thanks!

Hello. I wanted to know about the prevalence of Hindi in Suriname nowadays.

@bimmler Bruh, gonna Tweet a mean message to you bro

Timeghost is doing its best, but are not unbiased...

Being dutch, I have to say I will be watching this series with interest as well. This is barely mentioned in our schooling system, but I've come to believe that if one wants to understand their own history, they have to read the black pages of the history books as well.

NotAce Well said. This is something many countries have yet to learn. You have to realise your mistakes to learn from them.

As a Chinese, I congrats on Indonesian independence. Even more amazing that your country avoided becoming a Communist state, despite what happened during your struggle.

@@CmdrRob As a history teacher I agree on the fact that it isn't mentioned that extensive. It is mentioned on a chapter about post WW2 colonial affairs together with the British in India and the French in Vietnam. Yet, in the upper classes (4havo and 4vwo) we now give the pupils research assignment to learn more about the Indonesian War of Independence.

You are the country of Singapore incarnate?!

Oh damn. Drafting people to oppress adds an extra level of fucked-up to the whole situation.

Thanks for this comment. It gives an insight on how individuals thought about, in their regards, "freeing" their colony. Anyone who is Dutch, I recommend watching the documentary "Onze Jongens in Java", with war veterans who fought in the Indonesian independence war, and it gives a good insight in their rhetorics and perspective of war.

Interesting, Indonesian history books generally portray the returning Dutch troops as arrogant imperialists back to claim their colony, which is ofc a biased and overgeneralizing view. Mind elaborating on how it's seen as "liberating"? Specifically, liberating against what?

@@ChemySh Most young soldiers weren't into politics so most weren't really aware of the cause of "liberating". In later interviews some soldiers said they thought they liberated the Indonesians from the Japanese while some thought they liberated it from the rebellious Republicans such as Soekarno who collaborated with the Japanese, the evil guys during WWII. It wasn't until the Dutch soldiers were fighting in Indonesia that some realized the Indonesian were fighting for their freedom.

Actually how many native Dutch people from Europe died in the Indonesian war of independence and the APRA rebellion and the war of trikora ?

A recent meme based on king Willem-Alexander apologizing; Willem-Alexader: Ey neef sorry nog voor die eeuwenlange uitbuiting he President Jokowi: Echt neppe actie wollah je steelt mn kruiden maar je gebruikt ze niet eens

The Dutch : no, no, you can't just be revolting for self-ruling and elect your own king, it's said in this treaty that... The Brusseller : rrrike rrike furnitures goes crush crush hollander

*petroleum

What is specerijen Im indonesian but i dont know what in he name of cinnamon toast that is

@@amrumubina9769 Itu basa Belandanya rempah-rempah

"The spice must flow" -Cornelis De Houtman... probably.

grand moff van tarkin

Grand Moff Coen (Jan Pieterszoon Coen, big player in the early days of the VOC)

Not the Moffs, the VOC was more like the Trade Federation.

I hope they will see this and make some sort of rectification.

Our Dutch government is not eager to recognise mistakes made in the past. Only in 1914, after Belgium got invaded by the German Imperial Reich, a monument commemmorating the Ten Days Campaign from 1831 which had been placed at the Dam in Amsterdam, was removed. Let's also not mention how jews were treated who returned from the concentration camps ...

Interesting enough in a recent article that interviewer Ben Bot, Bot stated he was against an apology. Bot as a child was interned in a Japanese prison camp. From what I believe he directly or indirectly suffered at the hands of the pemuda's - Indonesian nationalist youngsters - that murder and pillaged in the aftermath of WW2.

@@HistoryHustle Thank you for telling me this. I did not know this.

Replying but not rectifying. in his 2005 speech, Ben Bot accepted the original date of the declaration of independence and proclaimed that the conflict 'took longer and was more violent than was necessary'*. I don't see an apology or admission of guilt in there for the war of Independence, let alone Dutch colonial practice. *'Pas achteraf is te zien dat de scheiding tussen Indonesië en Nederland langer heeft geduurd en met meer militair geweld gepaard is gegaan dan nodig was geweest.' Full speech (In Dutch): archief.ntr.nl/nova/page/detail/nieuws/532/Volledige%20toespraak%20van%20minister%20Ben%20Bot.html

Jorams great-grandfather fought there as well on the Dutch side. His family has nothing except for a ribbon and a royal award given for his duties.

That would be covered in the ww2 series. This is about after.

@@dezbiggs6363 APRA and Westerling is a post war event

@@understand6970 Westerling also in Revolutionary war he do many operation during that time

We will

The Messacre of Westerling in South Sulawesi, yeah tell the world about that brutality too

We aim to please

I would also add the Rhodesian conflict as well. It would be nice to see TimeGhost's take on it. (And hope that it doesn't turn the comment section into something best described with poop and propellers.)

Being a Californian there is no Hollywood production about this because it would not make money. Also sadly many if not most Americans are extremely ignorant and/or biased about world history and current world affairs. The bias is due to our educational system.

@@chrisbacos : There was a Japanese produced film in 2001 called Murudeka 17805 (Independence) that focuses on Japanese troops that stayed in Indonesia to help fight against the Dutch in the war for independence. It's a rather revisionist take on the subject with the Japanese soldiers portrayed as idealistic pan-Asian freedom fighters. Of course the movie ignores the 2.5 to 4 million Indonesians who died as a result of the occupation including 500,000 Romusha, (slave laborers,) who were worked to death by their "liberators." It also omits the fact that Japanese units fought a number of bloody battles against Indonesians to restore the colonial regime.... I can't really recommend the picture. Wishing everyone good health! Peace

@@michaelfodor6280 The problem with the Rhodesian Bush war is that every one in that war is in the wrong. We would also have to face uncomfortable truths about it's legacy

@@michaelfodor6280 For the love of God, let's avoid Rhodesia (as much as I would enjoy it). The comment section would be littered with racists and people talking about the "glory days" of Rhodesia and how it was so superior to Zimbabwe and other post-colonial African nations.

Grass greener on the other side is all. Most of the Indonesians at the time didn't even have a clue about the Japanese, they only knew that there were new guys in charge and that they might expect some change in the making. As for the nationalist elites, they probably thought along the lines of forcing the Dutch into granting them more freedom in exchange for their loyalty in the face of invasion. Sort of like it's always useful to casually mention that new job offer you just received during the salary negotiations with your boss.

I agree with the replies given. When I was in Indonesia I spoke to an Indonesian man and he said: "the Japanese came as liberators, but they lied, they never wanted to liberate us".

We'll cover it in the next episode!

That's shortsighted. They used the opportunity to get rid of all oppressors. Can't blame them for that, though.

Credits to the Japanese propaganda machine (the Japanese essentially kickstarted Indonesia's film industry, like how they did in Korea). They declared themselves as "the Asian brothers from accross the ocean, here to liberate their Asian brethrens from Western imperialism", which was helped by the fact that (A) we havent had much contact with them and what they did in China, and (B) they look like the Chinese, whose presence is already common in Indo That changed quickly, and the general sentiment was that the Japanese did more damage in their 3.5 years than the Dutch's 300+ years.

I second this. I too hardly learned anything about this horrible part of our history in school. Thank you Indy and team for bringing this to us :)

indeed we didn't learn much about the indonesian was of independence (and it's aftermatch for instance wrt the Moluccans and New Guinea); and it's great to hear more detail from an unbiased viewpoint. tnx!

'Thank you for showing us how bad we are' how pathetic.

@@oreroundpvp896 we -> our ancestors; are -> were/did (depending on further rephrasing).

I learned about this in school. I never understood my countrymen saying they didn't learn much about this part of our history, no offence. Even in the earlier classes of my secondary school we were taught all too well that we did bad stuff in Indonesia.

Dick Assman I’m not too far behind you, only got 200 more episodes of the Great War to go...

Thank you!

That is indeed our goal - when Spartacus and Indy had the idea to do history documentaries together twenty years ago it was even more ambitious/insane - "The History of the World According to to Indy and Spartacus." 😃

@@TimeGhost and more parts than mel brooks made

Indomie ready, Japanese expelled. Yup, it's merdeka time

@@GhostGamer123Ghost im about to eat indomie+rice to watch this episode dude , ngl

Well well well, would you look at that It's *MERDEKA TIME*

I already slightly cringed at his pronunciation of merdeka but it's okay, it's okay....

We have a translation tool at the ready. Haven't seen too many Bahasa comments yet though. Even after someone added Indonesian subs.

From how it starts off, no, you really won't. The warping coat of ideological loading is being applied heavily from the off on this one. It's a shame, really, would be quite interesting to see a good dispassionate documentary on the theatre.

@@Orlunu could you eleborate more?

@@TimDutch Ah, I'd have to go at great length to do it point by point, but he is essentially uncritically delivering the propaganda of one side as fact. The anti-colonial insurgents were cute little western liberal bunnies who were simply carrying on the great work of the Allies from WW2, so on. No. Plenty of the statements are trivially false on even cursory examination, they only make sense as part of a greater narrative which transcends mere fact. For the most surface-level examples, digging a little on what I just posted - take that the insurgets were fighting for freedom and that WW2 was a war against tyranny and racism. Both of these are laughably false. The major factions among the insurgents were communists, islamists, and literally genocidal pursuers of local ethnic vendettas, none of them even vaguely friends of liberty. Hitler was a tyrant and a racist, yes. Stalin was one of the few humans ever to reach a higher peak of tyranny, was one of the major allied leaders, and was the one to whom half of Europe was handed over at the end of the war. It was sandard in the Allied militaries - American, Commonwealth, French, Dutch, so on - that racial segregation was enforced. It does not take much looking to decide that the men who led the war were not exactly model anti-racists either. The war was not fought against tyranny and racism, it was fought against a strategic threat. These, and many more like them, are clearly inaccurate. That may well seem trivial, even I feel the urge to just fluff over them. That is intentional on the part of the people who started these historiographies. They are seemingly little lies, but if your threads are little lies, then the cloth you weave out of them together is an altogether bigger lie, and that is the problem here. These are part of a more major tapestry, they aren't mistakes which would be made on their own except for the fact that they have been advanced together as part of a major narrative, the narrative which was foundational propaganda to one of the sides in play here. Uncritically accepting anticolonialist historiography does not make you a fair and balanced commentator on the proccess of decolonisation, much as people often act like it does.

@@Orlunu thank you for your comment. I will try to investigate more and put it side by side and compare the facts.

@@TimDutch That's as much as can be asked of someone. Hope you enjoy your investigations, it's an interesting period.

Sama-sama

Also RE; the beginning of the end of the colonial era, I would personally characterise the first world war as the asthmatic last breath of colonialism. While it's true that France and Britain gained some territories after their victory, I don't think it's anywhere near what they might have imagined at the outset of the war, and certainly not proportional to the cost in lives or money. Instead, the European victors had to contend with Woodrow Wilson's insistence on self-determination, resulting in the birth of a bunch of new states. Most of the extant colonies persisted beyond 1918, but it's around this time that the idea of annexing new land without some sort of justification starts becoming unacceptable.

Not all Dutch supported that view.

Hypocrites aren’t they

No, it was more like we are losing what is rightfully ours. But once the USA switched side from Netherlands to Indonesia there was no point going any further. Please remember, that by 1945 many countries all over the world were still colonies

to add some kind of weird perspective of how history just happens to be weird... In 1919 the Japanese called for a amendment to be added to the Versailles treaty that called for "The equality of nations being a basic principle of the League of Nations, the High Contracting Parties agree to accord as soon as possible to all alien nationals of states, members of the League, equal and just treatment in every respect making no distinction, either in law or in fact, on account of their race or nationality." The Dutch, among nations, voted for the amendment, the British and Americans against it, and thus it did not get added. 18 years later the Japanese begin their brutal invasion of China.

It should be noted that the individual Dutch soldiers had been told they were liberating Indonesia from Japanese occupation, and once they realised what was up, it was too late.

Thanks! Stay safe!

I would like to hear more about the Dutch offensive. In Netherlands they do tell about the darker sides of history but never really from the perspectives of those who are targeted.

@@kykalefirst and foremost, i personnaly believe that both the indonesians and the dutch did terrible thing in the past to gain their purpose. Looking at my grandmother perspective, she was still young back in the day. She experieced some sort of a dutch attack toward the city, and she and her family was forced to flee to the hill the mountain. It was pretty shocking for her. My grandfather from my mother side, on the other hand, was an educated person, due to his mother being a dutch. So he had the ability to speak dutch and mingled with some dutch soldiers and act as a "sympathizer" while delivering many informations to the republican troops. to know the "other" story, i believe, and i do really hope, that indy and the team will get to it later with unbiased perspective (both from indonesian and dutch perspectives)

It's the mountains and jungle, I think. Travelling 5km in PNG is as hard as travelling 500km in the European plains. So you have a thousand tiny pockets of almost isolated tribes. Not to mention the impenetrable terrain shielded them from the outside world.

Poor West Papua, or Irian if one prefers, shows that the formerly colonized can be colonizers when it suits their purpose. Timor l’Este got away but not due to any mercy from Jakarta. Colonialism should be out of vogue everywhere, but it tends to morph into “territorial sanctity” when the new regime takes over.

@@charliejdk are you talking about Papua got opressed? Bruh i am just gonna say Papua have better development than borneo

Rick K Hey, the one good thing the Dutch colonial rule and its violence is that it united hundreds and even thousands of ethnic groups across thousands of islands. Without that, there would not be a strong Indonesian independence movement.

Things were quite chaotic back then mate. But still, I must agree that when we're running amok like mad buffalos, unfortunately, casualties will certainly ensue. From the Balinese puputan to the communist purges (G30S PKI incident), we can see how the terrible 'amuk' possess our bodies and fill our minds with vile bloodlust. If things get more intense in South China Sea, I fear that we shall experience this terrible 'amuk' (the waves of wrath) once more mate. I'm hoping that it won't be the case of course...

I'm Indonesian and yeah, I can understand it's nothing personal, just business. In fact, I'm always baffled by how little bad blood there is between the Indo and Dutch govt. Sometimes I even wonder if Indonesia would be the same scotch-tape-riddled country if we attained independence from within the Dutch system (considering that open colonialism was growing morally untenable in post-WW2 world). Especially when Malaysia seems to have better internet and infrastructure than my country.

Thanks!

you mean increased international intervention, because the US granted independence to the Philippines in 1946, right after WWII.

ky kale I’m not speaking at all about international intervention, that’s a vague concept that I don’t really want to touch, but yes the Philippines was the only possession that America dropped, the European powers dropped dozens. So America slightly reduced its own empire and then effectively forced the European powers to reduce their empires to the size of America’s.

@@TheLocalLt That's fair if we define empire by official colonies. Most of what might be considered colonies today are islands. Of course, if we define empire more loosely...

Uncle Dan if you’re referring to American military bases, those are mostly manifestations of a sphere of influence, not an empire. An empire to me implies direct ownership (as a colony, protectorate, or even a fully integrated region) as opposed to a friendly regime or puppet regime. I think a simple analogy would be: Soviet Union=empire, Warsaw Pact=sphere of influence.

@@kykale quasi-independence, not real independence.

The Austronesians of the region to be exact

Thanks a lot!

Behalve dat ze zo nodig een trein moesten kapen

we will definitely cover Indonesia in WW2 on that channel as well. If anything were to happen in Indonesia of course..

@@TimeGhost I doubt it, since there was no Indonesia in WW2 yet ;]

Thanks for your kind words and thanks for sharing!

I don't think Spanish Children are learning a lot of the time the Spanish ruled the lowlands either, especially not what they did during the dutch revolt and closer to the subject: the Indonesian children were not taught the atrocities that took place after the Dutch left Indonesia either, though following Soekarno's fall from power this may have been changed (to vilify Soekarno, not for historical value)

communist just cover to killed true Malaysian nationalist, british protect malaysian feodal and make separation in malaysian society. melayu, china and tamil never have unity

Sukarno was communist and instrumentalised PKI to butcher Malay Sultans and ethnic. So he couldn't annex their land. This is why Malaya and Brunei were against Sukarno and luckily got protection from outside. Otherwise they had been butchered and incorporated by Java Dictators.

Yes, they turned out to be no better than the Dutch with regards to East Timor and West Papua

"And well done TGH representing colonialism as violence" Then again, Mali was only "slavery-Free" during colonization of the French Once the French left (in 1960) Slavery was back in full force

Thank you very much for your supportive kind words!

This is after the war

1942 coming soon

Thanks!

It may be an age thing. What is taught, and focused, in school changes over time and is often subject to political needs (especially in the Cold War era). Additionally, post-war there was a major attitude in the Netherlands not to talk about it, and I suspect the KNIL may have gotten caught up in that as well. There was a brief period that matters could be discussed more openly. Then the pendulum swung around, and henceforth any "discussion" was mostly just mandatory self-flagellation. Which in turn causes a counter-reaction which we've yet to see whether it will coalesce around objectivity or chauvinism. History in school is taught by the state. So we're taught whatever the state wants us to hear.

Me too. I also have family in Suriname

@@johnniewaiker6203 wow you guys were java at the past time

You're welcome!

Historically, the 'Police Actions' are two Military Offensives called 'Operation Product' in 1947 and 'Operation Crow' in 1948, which is only a part of the whole Indonesian War of Independence (1945-1949). For reference, though Operation Crow ended late 1948 and Independence was finally handed over by the Dutch to the Indonesians late 1949, 1949 was still the most deadly year because of all the Guerrilla fighting. But of course we'll get back to that later. Thanks for the compliments! Cheers!

Thanks - but the honor for making the choice goes to the TimeGhost Army! Our faithful supporters voted on what we do next and this came out on top.

has Malaysian history have its dark sides?

@@kykale It does have a few bad events..but its fight for independence (from the British) was bloodless

Thanks for your kind comment!

thanks!

We thank you dearly for your membership!

If only Ducth use softer means like UK, your country will have giant allies in South East Asia. The Archipelago truly rich of many resources, until now!

I think you may have simplified to much there

I think you’re forgetting about Suharto and the corruption in the Indonesian government.

Indeed he's the man in 10:00

Thanks! I'm interested to hear what you think of it all!

A fact which a lot of people overlook, the Japanese were bad, but in my honest opinion (unpopular opinion) the Dutch were far far worse

Yes and without US too Japan won't give up on us. And their dream of 'Super Asia' might be come true. In the matter of sadistic. Japan is the worst.

We'll get there!

Yes, one year per episode.

Sews? Yeah... that never happened. It’s called eBay.

@@TimeGhost 😁 Oh, but we always thought she was in charge of picking out the classy design and sewing it together. Oh man (facepalm). Alright, for fillers maybe show us how she puts together a set for Indy depending on the topic to be presented; just something, anything to present her _behind-the-scenes_ work to us, so we'd appreciate her even more. 😁

My grandfather also fought in this war, albeit on the opposing side. For some reason, he refused his "Bintang Gerilya" (Guerilla Star, a medal in honor of 1945-1949 fighters) until he died of old age (it was awarded posthumously). My father used to quote him: "The true heroes are those who never made it back". Makes us think what kind of hell they've been through.

@@reggiekoestoer1511 Your grandfather was a real one. He probably felt like shit for all the people who died on his watch (which is inevitable btw)

Qupid VOneOhOne sadly, although should America be held responsible for actions of their allies like the Dutch, and French. Wouldn’t forcing nations to treat their people a way that is acceptable to America, stripping those nations like France, and Holland the freedom to decided for them selfs. In a perfect world everyone would get along, and no one nation would control another by force, but dose America rally have to be the police of the world, and should we seriously be held accountable for the actions of others. P.S. I have no side on this, but I do wish these atrocities never happened, and I wish the US would have perhaps persuaded them away from war, and definitely not help them militarily like in Vietnam/ indochina. It seems like there were good people who wanted to build a democratic nation for them self.

'... but when you murder 10.000 communists (Sukarno) , then we believe in your freedom again.'

All America's government believes in is their own prosperity.

@@seanlambert-knight4735 I hear you, I also wish these atrocities never happened. I think that is the main rub for my cynicism. That America wasted so much time, money and (most importantly) life in supporting colonial policies that ought to have been anathema.

This is just simple ignorant propaganda imo.