PROMETHEUS (2012) Retrospective / Review 

Oh man don't you love that?! It happened to me the other day!!!

INDEED!

My thoughts exactly... He deserves way more subs than he has, reviews of the highest quality

@@jonmurphy4889 Me too dude! Edit: Sadly I only found it after the jeans came out of the washing machine, and the pieces were now smushed in amongst the rest of the laundry... In the words of Geralt of Rivia; _FUCK_ ...

100 dollar bill.

Cinema sins: the Prometheus school of running away from things.

@@fuckyouleftube decapitation by large door is a great finish to a little jog

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Absolutely hilarious and took me so far out of the movie. Made worse because it kills of one of the best characters in a stupid way when they could have done it any number of other ways too.

Hahaha this

Definitely!

How did u see the original cut?..(is it on RU-vid?)

You’re on the money here weird decision to kill off Noomi she was the best in it!

Shaw and David are the core of the story for sure.

Noomi is an underrated actress for sure, she should've definitely been given more of a chance. But i think the nice thing is that despite the flaws, even Covenant is at least visually pretty nice, some sci-fi concepts are really awesome at least revolving around David, and Michael Fassbender is easily the best part of the movie. I think even Scott got bored with the human characters and spent all his energy/focus on David. As a kid I liked them. I mean there's plenty sequels/prequels that have boring characters and flawed storylines, but have no audio-visual filmmaking to counter that. Covenant and Prometheus are beautiful movies and there's parts of them that are genuinely good.

Well said.

I felt cheated

X10000

Damien Lindelof thought it would be great to ask more questions than giving answers, after he wrote most of Lost tv series!

That's like preferring Covid 19 over the Spanish flu.

I thought Prometheus was okay when I first saw it and actually had no clue it was an “Alien” franchise film since I had never seen any of the Alien movies. Then I went back and watched Alien cause everyone told me it was a classic, and upon viewing it I realized “oh shit Prometheus is linked to this film.” So I went back and revisited Prometheus after watching the first 3 Alien films, and despite the confusing continuity issues with it, I had a whole new appreciation for it. Easily the 3rd best film in the franchise. After becoming a new fan of the franchise I was obviously hyped for Covenant, and then I saw it and it killed any future interest in the series...

@@sonnyblack0870 That's how I felt after watching Alien 3. Franchise killer. Nothing against David Fincher, I am a fan of his other work, but for me the story was not worthy. , So I only consider two films in the "Alien Franchise." Alien and Aliens. End of story. The concept of Prometheus movie was an interesting one, and the visuals were stunning, but probably would have been better off being its own thing in the Alien universe and not end the way it did..

The black goo is the equivalent of a haunted house, It can do whatever the writer needs to. You want a monster squid? Got it. A zombie? There. Space cobra? That too. Dissolve a guy? Sure!

@Dark Woods, I'd argue there never was an Original Alien trilogy.

@@tiredoffools8929 yes there was alien 3 is a masterpiece so get off your high horse Alien, Aliens, Alien3 the perfect trilogy

@@adriel88_ Agreed. But only if we’re talking about the assembly cut.

Yepp it sucks but Ridley Scott won't stop he wasn't even the writer of Alien just did a great job in a directing capacity and the writers of prometheus and covenant are idiots. They're overexplaining everything that was "alien"

When it comes down to "being good" vs. "looking good," choose "looking good." Hollyweird maxim.

I have watched it many times just for the aesthetic, atmosphere and the in universe feel, although these prequels fall short they are still very engaging for me.

I was equally stunned when I watched this retrospective. Wow, I remembered the movie so much different.

Maybe they should have rather made 2 or 3 excellent suspensful movies with all the ideas in this one instead of one bland potpourri.

Got invited to see it in IMAX and was blown away. Reminded me of Avatar. Great looking but terrible film.

[hand over heart] Rest in peace, imdb message boards. :{

Hate the internet war against the exchange of ideas. It's downright scary. The internet was literally heralded as a place where ideas can be exchanged. People can discuss freely from around the world. Honestly, I'm surprised RU-vid comments themselves haven't been given a maximum character limit, or even that they still exist at all.

@@Krystalmyth Sorry, this comment is not available in your region. ( the world wide web is also getting more and more virtual borders..very bad development aswell...)

@@Krystalmyth I think there is a limit. I encountered it recently. In practice it's a good limit. Relatively large.

Free thinkers and ideas are not welcome in the new normal corporate neo communism that's knocking on everyones door

I would not of minded the Alien connection only if David was *NOT* their creator, but just an android who found out that the Engineers engineered the Aliens and decided "I can best their Alien design!".

David creating the Alien, or modifying it- which still doesn’t make sense, was a bad route to go. I was so excited for Covenant to come out......so excited. They could have wrapped the engineers and the xeno in such a better way.

yeah.. "Prometheus" had such potential, but they f'ed it up in the sequel by having it going in a different direction and connecting it to "Alien" !.. the Engineer story-line seemed interesting.. there was no need to directly link this to the Alien franchise

Yeah, totally agree. Don't understand all the hate this film gets. With all the re-boots and re-remakes, I can see why in some ways (eg Dark Fate or The Predator *spew*), but was very disappointed with Covenant. David created the xenos, but they had a xeno in the mural room. Or even if that was a deacon, surely the Engineers still created them. Wanted to see why The Engineers wanted humans wiped out, and to kill off Shaw??!! You'd think they would have learned that lesson from the beginning of Alien 3 and killing off Newt and Hicks!

What about David didn‘t really „invent“ the Xeno. What if he just follow a Engineeringpath already set, and he isn‘t aware of? Just like the poem he gets wrong. I would believe it by this kind of megalomaniac. But to your comment. It‘s because the „fans“ wanted it🤷🏻‍♂️. Standard nowadays. Remember the Last Star Wars films? Same happened but worse.

Yup, I think its the best trailer I've ever seen just because of that alarm sound effect in cadence with spliced scenes. The movie actually let down the trailer imo, lol.

It was cool and I think was the first, if not one of the e first to do that. Of course it was so effective that now it’s become cliche, I feel like tons of others are copying it. Although you could argue it’s derivative of the camera effect sound from Texas chainsaw massacre

That scream alarm is from the trailer for Alien 1979

He’s done great work in recent years; The Martian, All the Money in the World, and Kingdom of Heaven are particular highlights for me. Alien Covenant was a pretty looking mess, and extremely disappointing.

from what i understand Spait actually had a pretty faithful script but lindelhoff thinks not having answers or things having to make sense are limiting and make for terrible shows. REALLY. and he gets paid more to destroy a script than i'll make in years.

It's not that he is only as talented as the script, it's just that he isn't as talented as he has been made out to be and is only as good as the rest of the crew. He's like George Lucas, if left to his own devices he will make a terrible movie. There is a reason that as he has gained more power in Hollywood he has gone longer between making good movies and has only made 2 or 3 good movies in the past 2 decades.

@@Jaqen-HGhar people seem to forget he didn't even come up with the original alien movie concept. it wasn't his. it was in the script. why does HE of all people get to be treated like that franchise's god? sigourney fucking weaver and the late yaphet kotto technically contributed more to the universe and what makes it what it is onscreen than he ever did, from an originator standpoint.

Mark Kermode is a good critic.

Just remember this, the crew wasn't the best or brightest of their field.. they were the ones who agreed to a lot of money to go SOMEWHERE to do SOMETHING for a LONG amount of time. The best and brightest would say fuck off.

@@treborkroy5280 Don't try and rationalize it, it's not going to work. The script and plot simply don't make a lot of sense.

@@jennyanydots2389 so you disagree with my statement?

@@treborkroy5280 Well, obviously I disagree. Why would a company with extremely vast financial resources settle for untalented or stupid people to execute such a large project? Especially if the owner of said company is going along. Just because a job is difficult or time consuming doesn't mean talented individuals would shy away from it. Talented people aren't generally afraid of challenging situations or time consuming endeavors, they usually tend to embrace them. Those characters were poorly written, their behavior makes no sense half the time even for a person of average intelligence and common sense.

@@jennyanydots2389 That is an assumption that they are the best of the best. Who, being the top of their field would take that risk? It obviously attracted people with little attachments back home or those who were attracted by the money. Makes more sense than assuming a rich guy filled his ship with greatest scientists and hauled them off to god knows where with no explanation.

AMEN TO THAT

It would have been A movie, not a failed trilogy...

Exactly...I was really looking forward to this film but that guy butchered this script

There are shitloads of people they shouldn't have called...

100%agree. The early behind the scenes stuff looked like a much better movie. Then they bring Damon in and he just echo Chambers all of Scott's thoughts and they do everything in their power to distance it from Alien, scrapping the story and all the concepts and designs.

Have you seen alien covenant ? Hahahahaha.

@@THEBANDIT7979 Yep same thing repeated totally idiotic

mmm you don't see the big picture, most of the story would not exist without those stupid decisions..

@@icoborg That's fine by me LOL

@@icoborg my feeling is the disaster would have more impact if it happened despite characters being competent and following protocols

Things could have been worse... *Star Wars flashbacks* Much worse...

@III Vance Sorry, but as a film buff, I find the claim that the Star Wars prequels are at all better than Prometheus and even Alien: Covenant to be laughable. From an acting and visual effects perspective alone the prequels have nothing on these, I’m not talking about dated CGI either. Cinematography, direction, the works! The only debate worth having is over the script, and even if the prequels were better from a writing perspective, it still wouldn’t be enough to save them, because it could only win out by a pathetically slim margin AT BEST. And I never once mentioned the sequels, so I don’t know why you felt compelled to bring those up... PS, I find it hilarious that you consider Sam Jackson a win for Phantom Menace, considering he’s barely in it and has the most flat, boring performance of his career in it (seriously, it’s actually miles better in the following 2 prequels and even then it sits squarely at the bottom of his filmographic excellence), it doesn’t exactly sell the prequels very well. By that logic, you are also contradicting your own argument or just being severely out of touch if you claim these two Alien movies have no qualities that are better than a shitty, actionless performance by Sam Jackson that involves scenes of him sitting down speaking in monotone and standing up speaking in monotone. If you think Prometheus and Alien: Covenant aren’t any better than THAT, you need a reality check, mate...

@III Vance I just told you how Sam Jackson wasn’t a win, because nothing that makes him a win was featured in the prequels. And you still haven’t told me how these movies have no redeeming qualities, as you stated pretty much the implication that the prequels virtually have none. If you don’t at least consider Michael Fassbender a win in these movies, you need to revoke that funny license of yours... And aren’t you also jumping on a bandwagon by saying the prequels are severely lacking in redeemable qualities?...

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for me is a trilogy Alien, Alien Isolation, and Aliens

F that game. Going in you think you're going to be the next Ellen Ripley, but quickly you realize you're pretty much reduced to another Lambert. I literally was too scared to move from a locker for about a half an hour.

Nope

If opening doors and playing 8-bit puzzles for toddlers about 18 hours is your thing, then i highly recommend Alien:Isolation.

@@markocieslak1497 lol

too bad the movie itself SUCKED !

I liked Aliens more! Going after Newt is my wake-up-sound! Sublime!

@@danieltallon5087alien 3 did not suck. It was fucking excellent. And it’s a miracle it turned out as well as it did with the studio interference.

Yeah, unfortunately, if you try to forget every idiotic decision, the movie would've ended in that cave in Scotland, with two moron scientists believing with no evidence whatsoever, that they were made by aliens.

Haha so when you turn off your brain?

@@docholiday5119 oui

@@docholiday5119Well, you’d need to turn of your brain at 3 minutes and 40 seconds into the movie, at the point that engineer drinks the magic goo. What a feckin’ eejit.

Ping!

Lame

I remember when CinemaSins was funny

@@Ammoniumbicarbonat it was ever funny?

I never liked CinemaSins. They lay waste to EVERYTHING.

I recently tried to watch Covenant and only got about halfway through, such a dull slog

After the idiots screwed those of us who wanted to see where Prometheus was going to go in the sequel so that we got Alien Covenant because we needed shooty, shooty, bang, bang bruh

@@lutherheggs451 No, no. It was more Shooty, Shooty, Bang Bang, Flute Playing

as much of a mess that prometheus is, covenant makes it look like a masterpiece

Covenant is the best Alien-film since Alien, and future analysis will prove me right. It is a lean, mean piece of intense terror, and not nearly the mixed bag Prometheus is (and I really lile Prometheus).

same here, I really dug it. Sad the sequel didn't live up to the promise

Agreed

Would be waaaaaay better than the young ripley nonsense the rumors are talking about

I am perplexed in general with hollywood decisions. Isolation would be the movie we need.

Alien isolation is the franchise's only saving grace

And the messed up thing is I don’t know if we are ever getting a sequel to isolation

I keep playing alien isolation over and over again, because it captures everything the fans love about the xenomorph and the franchise hasn’t been able to match its quality since, and yes, please sega/ca, we need an alien isolation 2 which unfortunately doesn’t look like it’s coming anytime soon... Instead more blah blah blah blah blah...

💯

You're left with more baffling questions than answers with the stupid mystery box method. Redlettermedia's endless questions of the baffling things that happened in the movie was more entertaining than the movie itself, because none of the movie character were even smart enough to ask these basic and obvious questions.

@@Edax_Royeaux I instantly think of RLM and mystery boxes too whenever this movie comes up.

Did you not watch Watchmen show he wrote? It's a masterpiece

@@satellitelungshq7683 that doesn't change his shortcomings in previous works.

Damn! That's pretty succinct.

@@caseygoddard thanks

Totally agree and thats why I like alien 4 if you look at it as a weird dark comedy its why better but tonally doesn't really fit with the rest of the series. The end is still pretty shit though haha

Resurrection was very much more in line with the Dark Horse comics. Read "Music of The Spears" or "Labyrinth" and "Nightmare Asylum" then go back and watch "Resurrection" again... It's a comic book movie.

Aliens 4 is Delicatessen in space.

Is it still only on the 3D release? I own the bluray normal version, as 3D makes me violently sick. :(

"A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable. That is the natural order of things." -Meredith Vickers, former person turned pancake

They were dumb. They looked like a bunch of yokels from the local peasant farm

I heartily agree

I liked it almost as much as the original

I think covenant is slightly better

Shut up mary you dont know what you are talking about

Im not sure if I find Resurection or Covenant funnier, but I do also find Prometheus to be better than Covenant, vastly.

yeah no shit

The writing is absolutely shit, so is Ridley's 'visual ideas'. Alien 1 worked so good because scott lef that to the pros.

We did not remotely need this movie. It retroactively makes the original movies worse because all the interesting mysteries now have underwhelming canon answers

What were the moments of genius?

@@darkwoods1954 David's character, the 3-tier creation hierarchy, the lore building and general aesthetic wonder spring to mind.

David wad great in Prometheus, but he was character assassinated in Covenant. I'd rather not have the mystery of Xenomorph origins explained as the pet project of maniacal homoerotic robot.

@@Lshaw89 I agree. Covenant is not what I wanted in a follow up to this film but we're stuck with it and should figure out a way to make it work. I offered up my own theory of how to get that off the ground in another comment.

It had potential but Covenant made everything in it irrelevant

That's why people still talk about this film with so much passion...it had great potential to be SO much better than it was..they should have taken one last look over that script and asked themselves if it made any sense whatsoever.

This is one of the few times where I actually loved what we got and feel bad others didn't get what they wanted out of an Alien Prequel. Its a huge world why just xenomorphs over and over? Ridley listened to those folks and we got Alien Covenant.

xD

Yep, the most insulting writing is when dumb writing thinks it's great writing.

“Never go full Lindleof”

I always remember it as "the movie where the map expert gets lost and the xenobiologist tries to pet a space cobra".

@@Banjo-Oz But I don't think its silly to try to touch the alien-snake creature ... remember this, their space suit is able to withstand the blasting metallic shrapnel storm in another scene, so obviously it has been proven to be extremely inpenetrable as a technology .. Its like how you would wear gloves when handling a new species of snake on earth because historically there's never been an animal of that size able to penetrate the gloves .. Remember this, this movie takes place before they've ever met any xenomorph, obviously no one is going to expect any creatue to have corrosive acid blood .. right ? So please have some perpective, its not "silly" to touch the little snake based on the futuristic technology premise of the movie ...

They needed a tall actor.

Ian Whyte is 7 ft tall and is a pro at acting in heavy prosthetics (he played the giants in Game of Thrones as well). There's a lot of nuance in those types of performances that not everyone can do well.

Yep. I don't get the hate. They are Wagner for this century

@@GreenTeaViewer *Its 1 thing to still like it regardless of flaws but to say you don’t understand the hate?..*

@@midniitemonsta What are the flaws according to you? I found the most confusing thing was the air-borne virus thing, IDK how it connected really to Prometheus and if the Engineers just died when David released it on them, why is not the world full of Xenomorphs? I found that part the most confusing. Apart from that the last two films completely lack the intensity of the first 2. And I hated the treatment of Elizabeth Shaw. Her entire arc seems a bit wasted apart from building up David again. I also think David's motives are weak. I still appreciate the films though, lol.

I agree. I love both and watch them along with the first four films.

I believe the scan of the ship was sent to the Prometheus, which they lost contact to due to a sandstorm. So the film does at least explain why they got lost.

To me the worst part is how one of those scientists goes straight from being a scared shitless wimp to getting all cuddly with a strange, creepy space snake.

It's always going to be seen as a bad movie.

No, it really won't be. There's not enough actually in it to make it great, it just looks pretty. It doesn't actually SAY anything, it's just generic vague "mankind is always looking for purpose" stuff and then everyone acts dumb and dies.

You must be joking 🤣

@@wopjohn hey man I watched this movie and thought the questions readied were interesting but what I find most intriguing are it’s implications. It was the most interesting movie I’ve seen.

I personally love it, though I understand why many don’t.

@@wopjohn stfu. People have different opinions so Acknowledge that and move on.

Thank you very much!

@@OliverHarper dude. Absolutely. Not only do I enjoy the way you put everything together but you remind me of movies that I love and I want to re-watch when we live in a time that good quality is hard to find. Thank you so much

@III Vance I hope you know there are others with a different opinion than yours.

@III Vance Okay then.

@III Vance Seriously dude? If someone likes a movie you don't like he's a bot? I really like this movie, heck I even liked Covenant. Stop being a crybaby

Don't blame Ridley for changing direction, as the studio new leadership wanted a more traditional Alien movie.

@@red0guy Scott said it himself!

Those of us old enough to remember the ridiculous book “Chariots of the Gods” were cringing already at the opening scene of Prometheus… and then repeatedly throughout the rest of the movie.

i lold

Not so sure they did, I think it was deliberately meant to have a crew befitting a _Ship of Fools_ . Shaw is a fanatic, who thinks she's found God, and assumes that LV 223 is a live action of the _Book of Genesis_ , until people start dying, then she knee jerks her assumption to the other end of the Bible, the _Book of Revelations_ with that whacky apocalypse ending. She finds crude stick figure cave drawings obviously made by cave dwelling humans, but thinks they must be invitations left by a species capable of interstellar travel. The only person willing to fund her is a desperate inventor who sees himself as akin to a Titan, Prometheus, and will go to any lengths to cheat death, so he's a willing audience for Shaw's woo. Also, he's so paranoid about keeping this secret, that most of the crew who signed up, had no idea what they signed up for. They got told the mission, more than 2 years after launch. This _guarantees_ that they are the bottom of the barrel crew. The best of the best, have other options, and they like to know the risks before they sign onto a mission.

If you watch it once and never think about it again for more than a second.

LOL. What cave did you live in when this movie was being pushed? But I envy you for this, because it's rare now to go into a film without knowing something about it.

I think if everyone watch "Prometheus" without knowing it is somehow connected the the Alien franchise, it would have probably been more appreciated !

You have impeccable taste my friend... Both Chris Hemsworth and Daniel Brühl were perfectly cast as Hunt and Lauda respectively. Hans Zimmer's score is as perfect as ever, full of urgency, time ticking away, tragedy and triumph. I think it is criminally underrated, and nowadays it will more than likely be branded as being full of "toxic masculinity", like Le Mans '66 and Dunkirk.

Right On, Man-I’m glad to see others digging Rush as I do, and there should always be more devotees...it’s got something for everybody...horror, humour, tenderness, and psychological depth. The script and storytelling style are amazing! Just think of a minor scene such as when Nikki had just met Marlene & they had had to hitchhike-the two dudes that picked them up were F1 fanboys & they had the goddamn time of their lives LOL!!

Rush is legendary just like Hunt himself.

Lol what a random request. I guess he could do a video on the Miss Marple tv series too.

Where would one find this deleted scene? Vickers hired the crew personally because her father was pretending to be dead, and was personally funding the mission to keep it secret from the board and anyone else. I don't see why there would be a need for her to _want_ incompetent crew. I don't see how Vickers _could_ have hired anybody _except_ incompetent crew when her job offer was "take the money, get on the ship, go to sleep, we'll wake you up in a few years and tell you what the job is". Nobody is accepting that mystery offer unless they have no other job prospects. Also, considering that she's going to be on board herself, it makes no sense for Vickers to deliberately seek out incompetent crew to be responsible for her safety.

Agreed...Jeez, that Holloway didn't notice David's "fingering" of the booze despite being only a few feet away, and looking straight at him...Oh Ridley...sometimes your advertising background -- with it's emphasis on tons of visual info to make a point -- is as much a curse as a blessing.

@@RD-lt3ht Yeah, and it didn't make any sense to make human experiments for no reason. I guess in space every crew member should be valuable and has valuable skills and science has other methods to examine strange substances. Weirdly no one on the ship had any skills, no one of these idiots should have been there. This is my favorite Prometheus rant: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dj8lrHsrKKo.html

It fails as a sci-fi movie too, in my opinion. The premier sci-fi element, the black goo, operates more as a flexible plot device than as any sort of alien lifeform. The movie raises more questions than it answers, and outright contradicts what we've seen in previous films.

For me it's a little bit more entertaining than Alien 3 or Resurrection.

Me too, I think Prometheus is a little bit better than Resurrection, but still I like watching Resurrection more.

i liked it too, and watched it over the years about 4 or 5 times. it looks so cool.

Agreed, I hope Disney lets Scott finish his trilogy. The premise of the 3rd film being David and his army of Xenomorphs vs pissed off Engineers and space marines sounds like it could be amazing. David is such a great villain and deserves to have an end to his story.