PROMETHEUS (2012) Retrospective / Review 

Oh man don't you love that?! It happened to me the other day!!!

INDEED!

My thoughts exactly... He deserves way more subs than he has, reviews of the highest quality

@@jonmurphy4889 Me too dude! Edit: Sadly I only found it after the jeans came out of the washing machine, and the pieces were now smushed in amongst the rest of the laundry... In the words of Geralt of Rivia; _FUCK_ ...

100 dollar bill.

Cinema sins: the Prometheus school of running away from things.

@@fuckyouleftube decapitation by large door is a great finish to a little jog

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Absolutely hilarious and took me so far out of the movie. Made worse because it kills of one of the best characters in a stupid way when they could have done it any number of other ways too.

Hahaha this

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Took a minute to figure out that Elba wasn’t British and he was supposed to be Southern. His accent was just hideous 😂

@@ScratchthechalkBoard That seems a bit absurd, accents are always in motion.

I think she's terribly cast in this - a bizarre, distracting accent and a whiny, grating shriek. Of course she escaped criticism and got good reviews....because strong 5ft wamen. Michael Fassbender on the other hand put in a remarkable performance as David (before Ridley completely lost the plot with Covenant). His is the only performance worth praising, and maybe Fifield. Literally every other performance in this movie is HORRIBLE.

@@ScratchthechalkBoard He was really bad, Stringer Bell in space.

X10000

Damien Lindelof thought it would be great to ask more questions than giving answers, after he wrote most of Lost tv series!

That's like preferring Covid 19 over the Spanish flu.

I thought Prometheus was okay when I first saw it and actually had no clue it was an “Alien” franchise film since I had never seen any of the Alien movies. Then I went back and watched Alien cause everyone told me it was a classic, and upon viewing it I realized “oh shit Prometheus is linked to this film.” So I went back and revisited Prometheus after watching the first 3 Alien films, and despite the confusing continuity issues with it, I had a whole new appreciation for it. Easily the 3rd best film in the franchise. After becoming a new fan of the franchise I was obviously hyped for Covenant, and then I saw it and it killed any future interest in the series...

@@sonnyblack0870 That's how I felt after watching Alien 3. Franchise killer. Nothing against David Fincher, I am a fan of his other work, but for me the story was not worthy. , So I only consider two films in the "Alien Franchise." Alien and Aliens. End of story. The concept of Prometheus movie was an interesting one, and the visuals were stunning, but probably would have been better off being its own thing in the Alien universe and not end the way it did..

Then we saw the appalling writing, leading to a ridiculous plot, and just plain stupid dialogue, and ludicrous characters, and realised the only thing that could have saved it was another director, and a decent scriptwriter.

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@@thesoundtrackclub5597 Fuck me they couldn't make a film with a logical structure that would stimulate an averagely intelligent 5 year old, why would I want to listen to the music?

We'll have to wait for the directors cut in another 10 years

The ending made no sense. Why would the team go from escaping to committing suicide so fast and all it took was a ship to take it down. Why wouldn’t people of earth be capable of the same thing

You’re on the money here weird decision to kill off Noomi she was the best in it!

Shaw and David are the core of the story for sure.

Noomi is an underrated actress for sure, she should've definitely been given more of a chance. But i think the nice thing is that despite the flaws, even Covenant is at least visually pretty nice, some sci-fi concepts are really awesome at least revolving around David, and Michael Fassbender is easily the best part of the movie. I think even Scott got bored with the human characters and spent all his energy/focus on David. As a kid I liked them. I mean there's plenty sequels/prequels that have boring characters and flawed storylines, but have no audio-visual filmmaking to counter that. Covenant and Prometheus are beautiful movies and there's parts of them that are genuinely good.

Well said.

I felt cheated

When it comes down to "being good" vs. "looking good," choose "looking good." Hollyweird maxim.

I have watched it many times just for the aesthetic, atmosphere and the in universe feel, although these prequels fall short they are still very engaging for me.

I was equally stunned when I watched this retrospective. Wow, I remembered the movie so much different.

Maybe they should have rather made 2 or 3 excellent suspensful movies with all the ideas in this one instead of one bland potpourri.

Got invited to see it in IMAX and was blown away. Reminded me of Avatar. Great looking but terrible film.

I would not of minded the Alien connection only if David was *NOT* their creator, but just an android who found out that the Engineers engineered the Aliens and decided "I can best their Alien design!".

David creating the Alien, or modifying it- which still doesn’t make sense, was a bad route to go. I was so excited for Covenant to come out......so excited. They could have wrapped the engineers and the xeno in such a better way.

yeah.. "Prometheus" had such potential, but they f'ed it up in the sequel by having it going in a different direction and connecting it to "Alien" !.. the Engineer story-line seemed interesting.. there was no need to directly link this to the Alien franchise

Yeah, totally agree. Don't understand all the hate this film gets. With all the re-boots and re-remakes, I can see why in some ways (eg Dark Fate or The Predator *spew*), but was very disappointed with Covenant. David created the xenos, but they had a xeno in the mural room. Or even if that was a deacon, surely the Engineers still created them. Wanted to see why The Engineers wanted humans wiped out, and to kill off Shaw??!! You'd think they would have learned that lesson from the beginning of Alien 3 and killing off Newt and Hicks!

What about David didn‘t really „invent“ the Xeno. What if he just follow a Engineeringpath already set, and he isn‘t aware of? Just like the poem he gets wrong. I would believe it by this kind of megalomaniac. But to your comment. It‘s because the „fans“ wanted it🤷🏻‍♂️. Standard nowadays. Remember the Last Star Wars films? Same happened but worse.

for me is a trilogy Alien, Alien Isolation, and Aliens

F that game. Going in you think you're going to be the next Ellen Ripley, but quickly you realize you're pretty much reduced to another Lambert. I literally was too scared to move from a locker for about a half an hour.

Nope

If opening doors and playing 8-bit puzzles for toddlers about 18 hours is your thing, then i highly recommend Alien:Isolation.

@@markocieslak1497 lol

Yup, I think its the best trailer I've ever seen just because of that alarm sound effect in cadence with spliced scenes. The movie actually let down the trailer imo, lol.

It was cool and I think was the first, if not one of the e first to do that. Of course it was so effective that now it’s become cliche, I feel like tons of others are copying it. Although you could argue it’s derivative of the camera effect sound from Texas chainsaw massacre

That scream alarm is from the trailer for Alien 1979

The black goo is the equivalent of a haunted house, It can do whatever the writer needs to. You want a monster squid? Got it. A zombie? There. Space cobra? That too. Dissolve a guy? Sure!

@Dark Woods, I'd argue there never was an Original Alien trilogy.

@@tiredoffools8929 yes there was alien 3 is a masterpiece so get off your high horse Alien, Aliens, Alien3 the perfect trilogy

@@adriel88_ Agreed. But only if we’re talking about the assembly cut.

Yepp it sucks but Ridley Scott won't stop he wasn't even the writer of Alien just did a great job in a directing capacity and the writers of prometheus and covenant are idiots. They're overexplaining everything that was "alien"

Just remember this, the crew wasn't the best or brightest of their field.. they were the ones who agreed to a lot of money to go SOMEWHERE to do SOMETHING for a LONG amount of time. The best and brightest would say fuck off.

@@treborkroy5280 Don't try and rationalize it, it's not going to work. The script and plot simply don't make a lot of sense.

@@jennyanydots2389 so you disagree with my statement?

@@treborkroy5280 Well, obviously I disagree. Why would a company with extremely vast financial resources settle for untalented or stupid people to execute such a large project? Especially if the owner of said company is going along. Just because a job is difficult or time consuming doesn't mean talented individuals would shy away from it. Talented people aren't generally afraid of challenging situations or time consuming endeavors, they usually tend to embrace them. Those characters were poorly written, their behavior makes no sense half the time even for a person of average intelligence and common sense.

@@jennyanydots2389 That is an assumption that they are the best of the best. Who, being the top of their field would take that risk? It obviously attracted people with little attachments back home or those who were attracted by the money. Makes more sense than assuming a rich guy filled his ship with greatest scientists and hauled them off to god knows where with no explanation.

Thank you. That guy destroys everything he touches.

@@StevenMatthewsTFI Errrrrrrr, Watchmen was a fricken masterpiece. Leftovers was pretty damn good as well.

@@adampoll4977 i feel watchmen was faithful more because of snyder. Lindelhoff wasn't the name he is now. Snyder isn't a great storyteller, but he had the graphic novel to work off of. (I actually think Snyder may be the best visual director out there... but man his story telling ssssuuuucccckkkksss)

@@Lazrael32 I'm talking the mini-series...

@@adampoll4977 ah fair enough. My bad

He’s done great work in recent years; The Martian, All the Money in the World, and Kingdom of Heaven are particular highlights for me. Alien Covenant was a pretty looking mess, and extremely disappointing.

from what i understand Spait actually had a pretty faithful script but lindelhoff thinks not having answers or things having to make sense are limiting and make for terrible shows. REALLY. and he gets paid more to destroy a script than i'll make in years.

It's not that he is only as talented as the script, it's just that he isn't as talented as he has been made out to be and is only as good as the rest of the crew. He's like George Lucas, if left to his own devices he will make a terrible movie. There is a reason that as he has gained more power in Hollywood he has gone longer between making good movies and has only made 2 or 3 good movies in the past 2 decades.

@@Jaqen-HGhar people seem to forget he didn't even come up with the original alien movie concept. it wasn't his. it was in the script. why does HE of all people get to be treated like that franchise's god? sigourney fucking weaver and the late yaphet kotto technically contributed more to the universe and what makes it what it is onscreen than he ever did, from an originator standpoint.

Mark Kermode is a good critic.

[hand over heart] Rest in peace, imdb message boards. :{

Hate the internet war against the exchange of ideas. It's downright scary. The internet was literally heralded as a place where ideas can be exchanged. People can discuss freely from around the world. Honestly, I'm surprised RU-vid comments themselves haven't been given a maximum character limit, or even that they still exist at all.

@@Krystalmyth Sorry, this comment is not available in your region. ( the world wide web is also getting more and more virtual borders..very bad development aswell...)

@@Krystalmyth I think there is a limit. I encountered it recently. In practice it's a good limit. Relatively large.

Free thinkers and ideas are not welcome in the new normal corporate neo communism that's knocking on everyones door

Eh, The Leftovers was good. 🤷🏻‍♀️ **shrug**

I see many people blame everyone except Scott, whose geriatric brain is mushy, much like the dead engineer's head.

@@KabbalahSherry HBO watchmen was good too.

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@@matheus31218 You need serious help.

J.A. FTW... i like that idea, and it would be fitting, except it would have totally given away David's importance in the first film.

When one focuses on Davids story, all the other crap fades into the background as noise - and that's a good thing.

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too bad the movie itself SUCKED !

I liked Aliens more! Going after Newt is my wake-up-sound! Sublime!

@@danieltallon5087alien 3 did not suck. It was fucking excellent. And it’s a miracle it turned out as well as it did with the studio interference.

The scientist who was terrified of his own shadow but then treated a vicious looking snake alien like a puppy dog.

​@@darkwoods1954 Why on Earth would that moron think that thing would be friendly towards him? It resembled a snake which even on Earth are generally not considered to be very pleasant to be around in the first place.

@@Webshooters1 If he thought it was a very simple, primordial organism then it would have no behavioural traits as we understand it, it would be more like a plant than an animal.

Yep and yet another movie where people go to Alien planets and think it's "okay" to take your helmet/suit off just because oxygen exists. Do people in the future just like forget what happened to Native Americans when all the diseases from Europe showed up? I get the movie "reason" why they want the actors to show their faces but when that stupidity effects the plot it's just dumb writing.

that's when I checked out. them getting lost was not believable. why not show him act recklessly earlier in the movie???? that would make sense

Ping!

Lame

I remember when CinemaSins was funny

@@Ammoniumbicarbonat it was ever funny?

Yeah, unfortunately, if you try to forget every idiotic decision, the movie would've ended in that cave in Scotland, with two moron scientists believing with no evidence whatsoever, that they were made by aliens.

Haha so when you turn off your brain?

@@docholiday5119 oui

Have you seen alien covenant ? Hahahahaha.

@@THEBANDIT7979 Yep same thing repeated totally idiotic

mmm you don't see the big picture, most of the story would not exist without those stupid decisions..

@@icoborg That's fine by me LOL

@@icoborg my feeling is the disaster would have more impact if it happened despite characters being competent and following protocols

Haha, same, the whole time I kept saying to myself "Wow, that was really almost ten years ago?!" Time really does fly!

@@RosebudKane41 For real

if they leave it unfinished it will be very unprofessional on their part u cant leave a story incomplete like that I dont care how bad the movie did in the box office finish the damn story

@@adriel88_ from a business perspective it'd be unprofessional to make another one. If you aren't getting the ROI on it there is no reason to keep chasing it. This is like saying "I invested 100,000 in a stock, sure it's had years of bad earnings but this next ER, this is gonna be the one!" while having lost most of your original investment and throwing more money at it. Also known as trying to catch a falling knife.

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Agreed, it’s probably the best thing about the movie. That and Idris Elba.

Agreed with both of you!

In this case, this would be "Huh we are as surprised as you are, we had no idea what would evolve from the experiment. To be honest I was rooting for the big lizards"

The exact same thing Scott did on Blade Runner... Plagiarizing himself much?

"That's your question? Really? Wow."

I thought it was a perspective on, how f@c£ed would you be, if you'd signed up for a job, only to find it let by someone who'd mistakenly convinced themselves they'd found their creator, and got most of the crew killed through a persistent lack of critical thinking.

@@pdzombie1906 Scott only directed never wrote them

AMEN TO THAT

It would have been A movie, not a failed trilogy...

Exactly...I was really looking forward to this film but that guy butchered this script

There are shitloads of people they shouldn't have called...

100%agree. The early behind the scenes stuff looked like a much better movie. Then they bring Damon in and he just echo Chambers all of Scott's thoughts and they do everything in their power to distance it from Alien, scrapping the story and all the concepts and designs.

Things could have been worse... *Star Wars flashbacks* Much worse...

@III Vance Sorry, but as a film buff, I find the claim that the Star Wars prequels are at all better than Prometheus and even Alien: Covenant to be laughable. From an acting and visual effects perspective alone the prequels have nothing on these, I’m not talking about dated CGI either. Cinematography, direction, the works! The only debate worth having is over the script, and even if the prequels were better from a writing perspective, it still wouldn’t be enough to save them, because it could only win out by a pathetically slim margin AT BEST. And I never once mentioned the sequels, so I don’t know why you felt compelled to bring those up... PS, I find it hilarious that you consider Sam Jackson a win for Phantom Menace, considering he’s barely in it and has the most flat, boring performance of his career in it (seriously, it’s actually miles better in the following 2 prequels and even then it sits squarely at the bottom of his filmographic excellence), it doesn’t exactly sell the prequels very well. By that logic, you are also contradicting your own argument or just being severely out of touch if you claim these two Alien movies have no qualities that are better than a shitty, actionless performance by Sam Jackson that involves scenes of him sitting down speaking in monotone and standing up speaking in monotone. If you think Prometheus and Alien: Covenant aren’t any better than THAT, you need a reality check, mate...

@III Vance I just told you how Sam Jackson wasn’t a win, because nothing that makes him a win was featured in the prequels. And you still haven’t told me how these movies have no redeeming qualities, as you stated pretty much the implication that the prequels virtually have none. If you don’t at least consider Michael Fassbender a win in these movies, you need to revoke that funny license of yours... And aren’t you also jumping on a bandwagon by saying the prequels are severely lacking in redeemable qualities?...

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Is it still only on the 3D release? I own the bluray normal version, as 3D makes me violently sick. :(

@III Vance as I said, it is not a masterpiece. I’d rate it 6 or 7 out of 10.

It’s definitely a gorgeous movie. I love the spacecraft, equipment, and ideas but that’s pretty much it. Lol

Haha you know, one can say that about basically any movie in the world.

@III Vance I don't agree. And I believe you are just overreacting because the movie did not live up to your expectations. Prometheus never was or never will be an excellent movie, but to you there is no in-between, either it is excellent or straight garbage. The truth is there are many, or should I say the majority of movies are just that, neither garbage or excellent. They are just decent, you can either enjoy them for what they are or stop being so negative.

So was Batman & Robin

I recently tried to watch Covenant and only got about halfway through, such a dull slog

After the idiots screwed those of us who wanted to see where Prometheus was going to go in the sequel so that we got Alien Covenant because we needed shooty, shooty, bang, bang bruh

@@lutherheggs451 No, no. It was more Shooty, Shooty, Bang Bang, Flute Playing

as much of a mess that prometheus is, covenant makes it look like a masterpiece

Covenant is the best Alien-film since Alien, and future analysis will prove me right. It is a lean, mean piece of intense terror, and not nearly the mixed bag Prometheus is (and I really lile Prometheus).

@III Vance 100% for real

Are the only other Alien movies you've seen Alien Resurrection and Alien Vs Predator Requiem?

@III Vance Or... there are actually people who think critically at things different than you. I really loved this film too. It's no better than the first two movies in the franchise but I think it's really underrated and good for what it is. I don't see why people get attacked for liking a movie, grow up man

@@darkwoods1954 no I've seen all 4 plus the A vs P ones

Same for sure.

Would be waaaaaay better than the young ripley nonsense the rumors are talking about

I am perplexed in general with hollywood decisions. Isolation would be the movie we need.

Alien isolation is the franchise's only saving grace

And the messed up thing is I don’t know if we are ever getting a sequel to isolation

I keep playing alien isolation over and over again, because it captures everything the fans love about the xenomorph and the franchise hasn’t been able to match its quality since, and yes, please sega/ca, we need an alien isolation 2 which unfortunately doesn’t look like it’s coming anytime soon... Instead more blah blah blah blah blah...

Holy shit, Charlize would make the perfect Samus!

“Don’t let the bed bugs bite” 😈 I know David is a monster but he’s like a hero to me. Think about it everyone on the Covenant Ship respected Walter whereas everybody on the Prometheus well not everybody but a lot of them disrespected David and belittled him and made fun of him which caused David to develop his own pride and ego

I swear someone could release the most dogshit movie and ten years later people would suddenly decide it was a masterpiece because you watched it when you were young and feel nostalgic for it Prometheus ruined all the mystery of the xenomorphs by giving backstory to the stuff that was better left to the imagination whilst not answering anything that could use actual answers (like why the engineer ship had so many eggs in the cargo)

@@YodaOnABender every one has right to there own opinion ,sorry if that pisses you off ,😆 🤣 🤡

@@YodaOnABender let me guess you rather the old garbage movies only one good movie came out of all that trash,alien And covenant and prometheus are way better than all the old garbage put together sowwy 😞 🙄🤮

The fact you felt the need to reply twice and the use of emojis makes it pretty obvious you’re the only one who's pissed off here kiddo. I can physically feel the tantrum behind your comment @@jaygramz07

Yes!

I like this movie too IDC if people don't like it

💯

You're left with more baffling questions than answers with the stupid mystery box method. Redlettermedia's endless questions of the baffling things that happened in the movie was more entertaining than the movie itself, because none of the movie character were even smart enough to ask these basic and obvious questions.

@@Edax_Royeaux I instantly think of RLM and mystery boxes too whenever this movie comes up.

Did you not watch Watchmen show he wrote? It's a masterpiece

@@satellitelungshq7683 that doesn't change his shortcomings in previous works.

Thank you very much!

@@OliverHarper dude. Absolutely. Not only do I enjoy the way you put everything together but you remind me of movies that I love and I want to re-watch when we live in a time that good quality is hard to find. Thank you so much

yeah but fans was a ballbreaker n incist to see be an alien movie... n then they say "we dont like this" yeah cause there is no surprise factor cuase u already see alien n u know what to expect

They were dumb. They looked like a bunch of yokels from the local peasant farm

I heartily agree

Like all the normal people you know who've had a spaceship rolling at them?

ask anyone in the world which way they would run?! However in the heat of the moment with a spaceship rolling at you some may not think straight :) @@RogerRoving

Damn! That's pretty succinct.

@@caseygoddard thanks

Totally agree and thats why I like alien 4 if you look at it as a weird dark comedy its why better but tonally doesn't really fit with the rest of the series. The end is still pretty shit though haha

Resurrection was very much more in line with the Dark Horse comics. Read "Music of The Spears" or "Labyrinth" and "Nightmare Asylum" then go back and watch "Resurrection" again... It's a comic book movie.

Aliens 4 is Delicatessen in space.

Only fools like everything explained.

@@odinetsthepale6581 It's a fine art to know what to explain and what to leave to interpretation. Prometheus fails at it.

@@Antillles how so? Any example? To me everything that needed explanation got one.

​@@odinetsthepale6581 The black goo is the biggest example. It just does whatever the movie needs, so you never know even the minimal rules about it. One can make some interpretation of it, but when it does cobras, zombies, giant squids, dissolve people and... create life? clearly there are not rules. Saying "it depends on the host" sounds more like a last minute excuse. People got the Alien life cycle, even if it wasn't perfectly explained. Or why the engineers want to kills us. Not even a hint or anything. Sequel bait maybe, but having zero explanation for one of your antagonist is not what I consider a good script. I find myself watching big blue guy attacking protagonist trough a long scene without knowing why. Why were the engineers running in the hallway? If I just had to assume something went wrong and there was an accident that would be almost fine... but then there is more than one ship and now that assumption is not enough. Now more hints of what happened would have been better. And maybe this point has to do more with a terrible script than a case of "leaving to interpretation", but David/Wayland intentions made no sense. David stealing a urn and infecting Halloway (by orders or by free will) is fabricated drama, for a mission that was going to investigate all that anyway. Pretty sure Shawn would happily check the urns at a second trip to the place. When you don't know the antagonists intentions, don't understand the main threat rules and why certain events happened, and on top of all that, "professionals" act out of character and sometimes just like idiots, the movie ends being a series of unconnected events happening on the screen. But the biggest proof for this at the end is the audience reaction. There are many smart deep movies that don't need huge thesis to be defended. People get them and understand if something remain unexplained, even if those movies aren't the most popular. It's not the case with Prometheus.

@III Vance I hope you know there are others with a different opinion than yours.

@III Vance Okay then.

@III Vance Seriously dude? If someone likes a movie you don't like he's a bot? I really like this movie, heck I even liked Covenant. Stop being a crybaby

Yep, the most insulting writing is when dumb writing thinks it's great writing.

“Never go full Lindleof”

I always remember it as "the movie where the map expert gets lost and the xenobiologist tries to pet a space cobra".

@@Banjo-Oz But I don't think its silly to try to touch the alien-snake creature ... remember this, their space suit is able to withstand the blasting metallic shrapnel storm in another scene, so obviously it has been proven to be extremely inpenetrable as a technology .. Its like how you would wear gloves when handling a new species of snake on earth because historically there's never been an animal of that size able to penetrate the gloves .. Remember this, this movie takes place before they've ever met any xenomorph, obviously no one is going to expect any creatue to have corrosive acid blood .. right ? So please have some perpective, its not "silly" to touch the little snake based on the futuristic technology premise of the movie ...

That's why people still talk about this film with so much passion...it had great potential to be SO much better than it was..they should have taken one last look over that script and asked themselves if it made any sense whatsoever.

This is one of the few times where I actually loved what we got and feel bad others didn't get what they wanted out of an Alien Prequel. Its a huge world why just xenomorphs over and over? Ridley listened to those folks and we got Alien Covenant.

They needed a tall actor.

Ian Whyte is 7 ft tall and is a pro at acting in heavy prosthetics (he played the giants in Game of Thrones as well). There's a lot of nuance in those types of performances that not everyone can do well.

Me too,. I don’t care what anyone says Prometheus is a great movie. You really notice how good it is when you re watch it and pay close attention.

Yeah this is why I can't stand people who pretend to be science fiction fans. You can get away with anything if you're a comic book movie, but as soon as you try to be interesting the vultures have to come out and attack it for attempting to be better.

The trick is not watching it.

It should just be a series of stories in the same universe. Star Wars if finally figuring that out. But Studios are the ones that own the property and branding and that just want to stick to that. It's a very limiting way of thinking. Just imagine how much cooler it would have been to have Rey go dark side and Kylo go for redemption. Imagine all the toys and merch for Rey that just drops, because you can't have a hero become a villain in kids films.

Basically what we tell ourselfs every time we know a movie is bad.

It's the last, fever dream of Carter Burke...

Honestly: I watched it once with telling me before to not look at it as an Alien film but as a standard sci fi flick. Then it suddenly worked for me. Lowered expectations. (After being severely dissappointed in cinemas.)

xD

you know what I find hilarious is how Ridley Scott trashed AVP and talked so much shit about it yet he copied the scene explaining the old civilazacion stuff he rip it off straight from AVP it looks the same and also has some of the same dialogue yeah you talked down AVP and stole their scene and tought we were gonna be too stupid to not notice it at this point I like AVP and AVP requiem better sure they arent masterpiece but the Xenomorph is still a acient alien species instead of a stupid robot creation 😤😤😤😤

Totally agreed about Covenant and Shaw. And I'm a guy that really likes ALIEN 3.

@@42ndStreetMatthew I have a soft spot for Alien 3 myself. I loved the comic con passage video with Shaw and David that was the movie right there.

@@Irishesbox11 Agreed! I was genuinely excited about Covenant because of The Crossing. So much for that. There's a part in The Crossing where David mentions learning their (the Engineers) ways and the short ends with him opening the weapons bay. My thought was David wanted to destroy them because he interpreted them as being unrepentantly evil and he wanted to protect Shaw. But I guess having an evil Dr. Frankenstein robot is more "interesting." Blech.

@@42ndStreetMatthew what did he learn about the ways of the engineers? What were they like in the crossing?

@@1and253 It doesn't actually show what he learns, but it's what I initially inferred. Here's a link to The Crossing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XeMVrnYNwus.html&ab_channel=AlienAnthology

@Threehundredpages Pages when he talks about holloway, between 29:30 and 29:46

Is the original Script available in the interwebs? :O

@@saftpackerl yes indeed it is.

Two words: Damon Lindelof

@@pennydreadful5163 yep indeed and I wish they use this script.

Don't blame Ridley for changing direction, as the studio new leadership wanted a more traditional Alien movie.

@@red0guy Scott said it himself!

Well, it’s well shot.

Westerners talk too much... Gulag brings more answers than repetitive futile conversations.

We did not remotely need this movie. It retroactively makes the original movies worse because all the interesting mysteries now have underwhelming canon answers

"A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable. That is the natural order of things." -Meredith Vickers, former person turned pancake