This is one of my favorite movies, I don't necessarily care about the ties to alien but the lore and world of just watching Prometheus as a solo movie is so interesting to me and the tie in to the engineers that created us and looking for why we're created is also just as interesting.
That's cool. Glad you found that interesting. That stuff does nothing for me, as we said in the vid, but we are all different. Makes things more interesting that way.
i realized a while after the fact that the main reason i loved this movie was because the xenobiology is amazing. it makes the series feel realistic in a way that many others don't, because scifi IPs tend to go the lazy/convenient/budget route and have almost exclusively humanoid alien species. for example, one of the reasons avatar feels so dumb from a worldbuilding perspective is because jimmy C is just fitting humans into an alien snapchat filter. the xenomorph life cycle is highly detailed, fascinating and revolting in many ways, and the fact that little baby 'morphs take on genetic attributes of their incubation hosts creates such interesting and internally realistic variation on what otherwise might become a bit stale after a while. it doesn't hurt that the giger design style is iconic and outrageously sexy. if i watched this movie today i'd probably feel kind of eh about it, but i'm a big noomi rapace fan and think her acting in general is great. the alien abortion in particular was an incredibly constructed horror scene. and yeah, all-around incredible production value for most aspects of the movie, minus aspects of the script.
Awesome post! Excellent point on how it adapts to its host, which we missed that discussion in this video. That abortion scene was gruesome for sure. She sold that perfectly!
Excellent review, really enjoyed it. The Prometheus's science crew's stupidity is only matched by that of the Covenant...😁 at least Scott was consistent... 😁
Sorry but what science crew? Prometheus is a corporate mission with crew that was never planned to return back to Earth if the main mission goal would be success. On the whole ship there are practicaly only ywo people that You could call scientists, David and Shaw, there is Ford too, but she`s a Wayland private doctor on corporate payroll and that does not make her any top of the line scientis a madic maybe. David does not care about humans or risks, he just has his mission to do and pilot the ship back, and Shaw gets shut up by everyone anytime she tries to say something wise. As soon as You understand that part about movie it becomes actualy good.
@@z00mbi3s Even a corporate mission would not want to attrition away all of its members do to extreme incompetence. Even if everyone IS expendable, you really don't want your crew's morale to plummet from having people die in horror ways and then having to re-kill them again when they attack the crew, which would make the mission almost incompletable. These guys don't seem to have any skills, especially science, quarantine, or even understanding their own equipment (mapping guy gets lost in the ruins while making the map, WTF) . The human crew are all but useless, and it would have made a LOT more sense to have more androids, as it is the only one that knows what is going on, can handle basic science, and has language skills. The only problem was, they could not replace David when he got decapitated, so they had to haul around the head and use it as long as it could continue talking.
@@sprinkle61 Look on this in such way, what if Wayland plan works and he is on his way back to Earth. Crew would have to die as they are witness. David can be reprogramed and if ordered by Wayland he would not share what happened.
@@z00mbi3s Honestly, I don't remember the movie plot well enough to know why Wayland's plan would need to be covered up. I mean, it was stupid, but it didn't seem criminal, at least not until everything went to hell and people started killing each other. Planning on an incompetent crew to off themselves in a timely manner, yet not damage the ship too much, seems like a huge gamble.
Great retrospective! Truly a must watch for anyone who follows this franchise. I seen this movie when it came out to the theater and then a couple of times on home video and I loved it. It's not perfect, but it was really enjoyable, to this day I still find this movie entertaining. 💯😀👍👏
In regard to the Engineer ship being the first link to Alien, the mural on the wall of the Head room was clearly Gigeresque, as was the layout of the Goo vases, which reminded me of the Egg room in 1. I think questions were meant to be answered in an untampered with 3 movie arc. Which would have been epic.
8/10. - The last one was horrible. Creators can't understand one simple thing... We love Alien not because of the creature, we love this movie because of the actors and atmosfer of the Alien space world. They keep giving us the biology movies about the Alien itself and they can't figure out that the Alien was just an object to fight. The heros and atmosfer of the alien world are the main thing that worked for the entire franchise, not the damn alien bug.
It's basically the same thing that ruined the prequel star wars movies. Vader was just a pawn of the Emperor but, his popularity with the real world influenced Lucas to focus the prequels around Anakin (Vader) instead of the greater story (a galaxy spanning, galactic war).
That Arnie impression at the start was just too much lmfao 🤣🤣🤣 strangely enough the Engineer did look like Arnie when he was Mr Freeze in BATSHIT AND KNOBIN 🤣🤣🤣
A truly amazing film. Although, the deleted scenes really need to be added back in. A couple of them provide some much needed context. This film is very rewatchable because all the "plot holes" are covered, they're just hard to figure out sometimes.
The movie as a prequel to the prequel to the prequel for alien, makes it a lot easier for myself to enjoy. Also, I’ve seen people in panic situations. It doesn’t matter how smart they may be some people just don’t know how to turn left or right when they’re running from something they just keep going straight. It’s weird I know but panic situations happen.
He's also a neo-Nazi. The entire premise of that book was that non-whites COULDN'T have built pyramids or great structures (because they weren't white) so it must have been aliens! It was actually published by a press that only made neo-nazi garbage. Nowadays, that guy is treated like royalty by the idiotic "History channel" guy's.
I have read that the big difference in the way the ships and technology look in Prometheus versus the Nostromo in Alien is because....The Prometheus is literally a state of the art exploration vessel owned and operated by possibly the wealthiest entrepreneur of his day (Peter Weyland) so of course it is going to look like a space Lamborghini....whereas the Nostromo is basically a beat to shit old space junk truck on a scavenger mission....so it was the equivalent of a 1987 Uhaul truck in space. So to compare the two ships really isn't apples to apples. Same with the purpose of each ships mission etc Elon Musk and Co. heading to space to discover the origins of life versus a team of blue collar workers who are clealry not the leaders in the shipping industry trying to make a scrap run to earn a few bucks. So that is why I think comparing the two vessels etc is an unfair gesture. I like Prometheus a lot...its far from perfect (no disputes there) but I loved the fact that it tried to explore much bigger themes as opposed to having yet another "trapped Crew gets chased and ultimately destroyed by a monster"...I mean that idea worked great in Alien because it was new....we didn't know what the Alien was...or how formidable it was etc...but with each subsequent release it became the law of diminishing returns....at least Prometheus tried to open up new ideas. Did it succeed...thats debatable....I think Prometheus would have been much better as a film overall IF Ridley Scott got to make the actual follow up film he intended rather than what we got with Covenant. Covenant was obviously a movie born of Scott getting heat from the studio to "Make a more 'Alien'...Alien movie" instead of truly following the intended arc concept he had for the Engineers and Paradise etc Sadly I think the upcoming film (Romulus) and the TV show are going to be more cut and paste....Alien chases and kills crew until strong female character finally beats it....the end. To me...that formula worked great in the original but I am bored to death with it. Hope I'm wrong...but I bet I'm not.
You raise excellent points on that one. I am still intrigued by Romulus and the show and I agree they shouldn't do a cut-and-paste. Sometimes when you get this deep into a series it becomes nearly impossible to please everyone since we get desensitized. Walking Dead obviously took people a bit longer to desensitize.
Regarding the dissonant tech levels from one movie to the next: the Alien RPG actually has an explanation for that. In real life, many spacecraft have very basic computers on board with CRT monitors because they're absolutely reliable, extremely durable, and they can do mathematics. So, with how far out of major population centres people go in the Alien universe, cheaper and simpler tech that breaks down less frequently and is easier for the people on those ships and space stations to maintain when the more sophisticated parts to maintain fancier tech would be harder to come by that far out in space is just what gets used. It's still kind of a weird explanation (okay, it's an excuse) but I feel it makes enough sense.
The guy from Lost needs to rewatch Stargate. To chart a course anywhere in a 3 dimensional space you need 6 points plus a point of origin which would make 7, the 8th site is overkill, come on Damon!
Saw the original in the theater in '79 and it's long been one of my fav movies. But, it bugged me then, and they put it on steroids in Prometheus and Covenant- the gestation/growth cycle of the alien. Ten inch tall alien pops out of Kane's chest; two days later it's six foot tall and hauling Brett into the overhead. 'roids? Prometheus and Covenant were even worse. Facehugger pops out 30 minutes after exposure. SMH
In Prometheus the chest burster isn't shown to pop out 30 minutes afterwards. If you listen to the narration by Shaw... it took them a few days to get the other ship to launch (maybe some time to fix David a bit too) so the facehugger in the 'engineer' took it's time hatching. In Covenant, David has been tampering with the Xenos for his own ends. In the previous alien, the longer time it takes for the thing to burst makes it more effective at getting onto an enemy ship or into an enemy complex and causing utter chaos when it bursts and starts crawling around ambushing the crew. .... so if the Xeno was always a bioweapon, that would make sense...
Cameron took the mystery away from the Alien and turned it into a bug hunt action film, unfortunately setting the standard for the franchise. Ridley Scott has bought new layers of the mystery back and expanded the universe.
I've seen that discussion a lot when we researched Aliens. I understand the differences are jarring for some. Glad you enjoy what is being done now. Some of the new stuff I do like but it doesn't feel clean, that could be because of all the re writes and studio pressure.
11:40 Yeah, it would have been neat if they stuck to the original '79 look and feel (technology wise). We would have forgiven some of the befuddling moments (Guy Pearce in old man make up), should they have decided to keep it a little bit retro
That's been a hot topic for this video actually. Some say it shouldn't have matched because the Nostromo was like a junker ship, and others say it should have matched somewhat. The old man makeup really makes me wanna watch Jackass again for those skits!
It was a nicely designed creature meant to look like a cobra. Our lizard brains have evolved a fight or flight response to things that look like snakes but that idiot "scientist" wants to stroke it!!!
This film confirmed what I have thought for a while. Ridley Scott is more miss than hit in recent years despite his incredible visuals. Damon Lindeloff is a hack. Science fiction requires some basis in science taken to some kind of logical development. And Ridley doubles down with Covenant!! But Charlize is in this film so all is forgiven.
There are so many non sensical things in this movie that it's mind boggling. The main problem with this film is that it tries to answer question that no one really need the answers to to begin with. Nothing can be left to the imagination and every tit has to be sucked until the very life of the subject is drained dry. The project is put together with unsurmountable amounts of money and they gather some of the biggest misfits they can find as crew members. Between shoehorning the space jockeys into being engineers to Milburn wanting to pet the space cobra to unhinged Fifield smoking whatever in his space suit. Shaw running around after damn near being cut in half and her space squid is removed that grows to the size of an elephant in record time. Add a bunch of lumpy featureless albino creatures at the wall to see what sticks and give it a new catchy xeno-morpho-platypus name. It's all so ridiculous. I have to stop because I could go on and on, but I value my sanity. When you have to spend way more time online trying to get answers that the movie itself can't explain, then it is a failure.
I explained the tech difference like this, in my head anyway. The Nostromo was an old run down piece of mining equipment, basically, built for function over form, like the Russian Soyuz rocket, super low tech, even today, but very effective. Where as the Promethius was a decked out Science vessel personally funded by Weyland himself. As to life's purpose, there is none, aside from what you give yourself. We weren't "put" here and there is no "reason" for it. Nothing "happens" when you die, being dead will be just like before you were born...
You guys missed the biggest disappointment - that the central premise is completely stolen from Chris Carter's The X-Files! Primordial black goo, brought to Earth by aliens is the catalyst that pushes evolution on earth and is what created the aliens themselves. It also moves by itself, just like X-Files... For myself personally, this movie has the basic science flaws of the first Alien- the "Trilobite" expands from something the size of a football (without it's mother eating ANYTHING) and, after it's removed, "grows" to the size of a baby elephant in under an hour - WITHOUT EATING ANYTHING. Is the creature a balloon full of helium or something and it's paper thin? It's just...SO dumb. Then, as mentioned, there's Shaw running around like track star after a C-section and being stapled together... And of course, these people are supposed to be the top professionals in their fields- but none act professional in any way, follow any kinds of procedures or basic safety guidance...
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Entertaining review lads. Based on a load of drawings at different geographical locations on Earth from different time periods and therefore, cultures, who all produce the same "star chart" they decide to spend lord knows how much dosh on an expedition. Looks like they forgot that due to the movement of the Earth, solar system, galaxy and universe those star charts should not be the same nor could you know to mwhat location they pointed. But because Shaw "chose to believe" the genius that is Mr Weyland decides to spend a million, squillion, trillion dollars. If only some of that sweet cash was used to hire on specialists at the top of their field who were going for altruistic reasons and not geologists there for the said sweet dollar who would shit their pants at the first sight of proof of intelligent non-terrestrial life. Just saying .......
Android: The Documentary. Yeah, this movie was a shitshow. Do not make a movie, with "Xenomorph" in its lore, and do something like this. Paradise, the other movie which never came to be.. Just gave us more questions and non of the answers. Such crap. And when he couldnt get greenlit to make the next movie, he renamed it, changed a little and went on making it as a tv-show. Something with a wolf .. in the title. Very confusing. Waste of time.
I think the 3D is what made it fail. I rewatched this movie again a few weeks ago, and it was amazing. I was very surprised at how good it actually is. This is why I went to see Avatar 2 without 3D. And I also enjoyed that.
@Blabbercast Definitely, thanks. It also makes the image a lot darker and murky, so 3D wasn't the best experience. I think that's what really dulled the experience, and people just didn't spread the word of mouth like they would've done otherwise.
I stopped when you said Disney star wars made a fantastic prequel movie. That movie was terrible. They made the movie line up with a new hope? Who cares? Characters sucked, story was bland, and nobody cared about characters at the end. I was glad they got blasted away bc I was not invested at all.
This movie is terrible. Yes, the special defects are good, but the story is pointless and incomprehensible, the crew are morons that have no plan, and no caution or self-preservation, and the old guy's plan required a LOT of things to work out just right, to get his extra life, and of course it does not. Even the Engineers are idiots as well, and are pretty much just another monster, and not particularly intelligent or have any plan either. On a technical note, the intro and outro is just way too loud, and it requires adjusting the volume when it comes on and goes off.
Sure, maybe it would look cleaner and tidier, but the tech looks way more advanced than that on the Nostromo, and this is supposed to be in an era that predates that.
