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DolphinsWIthIgloos English isn’t one of them

@DolphinsWIthIgloos The Spanish word _masculinidad_ ('masculinity') has feminine grammatical gender. In French, the masculine noun _cheval_ ('horse') applies equally whether the animal is male or female (as does just about every other name for an animal). Some languages have three grammatical genders instead of two. It all seems pretty arbitrary to me.

Language has whatever meaning we assign it

@DolphinsWIthIgloos So Language supercedees science? Let's call you a molecule!!

@DolphinsWIthIgloos You just did

THAT'S SO INCREDIBLE I CAN'T--

Depends how womanly she looks. If I meet someone new and they look manly to me yet they personally identify as a woman. I'd call them he,his Because that's what we're used to. Not because I'm transphobic.

@@Zohairshanteer this is ironic, right?

Zuhair shantir My dude, do you use the same logic on ships?

@@Zohairshanteer Yeah we were socially conditioned to call people based on their physical appearance, but it's not hard to change the way you call someone when they straight up tell you what they want. There are cis women who look very masculine. Would you call them he/him if they asked you to use she/her? Probably not. It's almost like it's not about appearance.

Names are a social construct, being male or female in humans isnt

​@@leafleafleaf9272 Regardless of how you feel about the difference between sex and gender, and the degree to which they are socially constructed, you have to realize that gendered pronouns are 100% socially constructed.

@@brageok I'll one-up you: language as a whole is 100% socially constructed.

@@leafleafleaf9272 except it is

@@leafleafleaf9272 actually the simplification/generalization that is binary sex IS a social construct, otherwise we’d have at least one umbrella role for when people don’t meet the checklist we made up for male and female (or if we were being really objective one for every kind of variance), but we don’t.

Ummm adorable. Marry me.

you're right. when people use this argument, they're underestimating children's intelligence. most likely, they know that they can explain it to kids, but they just don't want to, so they pretend it's impossible.

That and kids are learning about the world, and because everything is so new and not cemented into dumb rock yet, they are often more able to be flexible in their category ideas than adults

That's really wholesome

I was like 10 when I first saw an ftm person on the news and my only thoughts were "ewww he's a boy now"

Not. enough. CAPS!

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@Thomas Heath and you are wasting your time here, why?

@Thomas Heath good for you, I guess?

Conservative destroyed with sociology and facts

More fitting: Bernie Sanders.

Carlos Saraiva And spoken like a red cap.

Carlos Saraiva It means Trump supporter.

Carlos Saraiva it wasn't

And that is going to be the only way I will refer good ole B.S.

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Lol

(proceeds to use two pronouns in the very sentence saying [REDACTED] doesn't use [REDACTED])

This is genius, Imma use that the next time I hear anyone say "I don't use pronouns" lmao

And so we meet again! ^^ Excellent taste you have

Word mines don't care about your facts.

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If I were contrapoints, I'd be embarrassed by the stupidity of my fans. Contra is much smarter than 99% of 'comments' like this. Yes, all words are 'made up'. No, it doesn't mean you can use them any way you like. If you have a barque, you CAN call it 'my war galleon', if it makes you happy. but if you go out on a limb and start insisting that EVERYONE calls your barque 'war galleon' - because you feel like that - and then 'justify' that demand by saying that 'all words are made up anyway - I'm gonna just call you 'dumb'. And you are even free to believe that this MADE-UP word 'dumb', actually means that you are 'highy intelligent'.

@@antebagaric1970 words matter sure but you know what matters more? Being polite if someone is really adamant about calling their barque a 'war gallon' then why not? What's the harm in that?

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he’s such a dumbass why waste so much energy on misgendering people when you can just be respectful.

Really shows how much effort is needed just to misgender people

The key to this one is issa waste of energy 🔑

Shapiro refuses to do it because by refusing to do so he is virtue signaling. Oh the irony.

I'm a cis dork trying to be a good and respectable little ally. But I still have troubles and make self corrections; stuff that gets caught before it ever comes close to leaving my head, but it feels bad. Like there's a fragment of learned transphobia stuck inside there still and I can't cut it out. I feel ashamed a lot because of it. The part about adoptive parents really helped with that. I'm not sure it fixes things completely, but I at least feel pointed in the right direction now.

​@@yoji0 don't be too ashamed, even trans people generally have to deal with their own transphobia. The same way it took time to learn it, it will take time to get over it, but I'm sure you'll manage that eventually

​@@cleo42So then all normal non-brain dead droid persons are transphobic? Transphobia starts with hating transgender people, not with refusing to use their pronouns or considering them male/female. Everyone has the right to decide who they think is a man and who is a woman. A brain dead droid who accepts another's reality instead of his own. As a liberal, I would tell a trans woman to refer to herself as she feels, but equally, to someone who thinks trans women are not women, I would say to refer to them as feys and ignore their feelings. Everyone should be loyal to themselves!!

Because you're a pathetic mind-dead Nazi... and you're still surprised that Donald Trump won for you... You deserved it, but unfortunately he's also a climate denier and an animal hater, so it wasn't just the idiot Nazi who caused harm to Americans... You're incredibly pathetic with this childish sentimentality and with your disgusting collectivism! You are the same as Trump just in a different way!!

Shapiro isn't the one with a solid half-hour, produced video on the topic.

@@leobigelow7021 yet here you are, watching it💀

@@leobigelow7021 Natalie would probably refer to them by whatever pronouns they preferred. This comment doesn’t even make any sense 😂

@@beachwasher6140 intersex is a term used to describe people who’s anatomy doesn’t fit the binary of male or female. Even if they are assigned a legal sex, according to Ben Shapiro that doesn’t matter because the only thing that defines male and female is sexual anatomy and chromosomes. According to his logic, intersex people are by definition neither male or female. This obviously doesn’t even account for gender identity and natural variation in humans.

Ben would freak out and privately refer to an intersex person as "it"

@hugo zubiria .. what? Buddy. Dude. Oh my god. Pronouns have literally nothing to do with your sex. Also your gender is whatever. It can be as big or a small of a deal as you like it to be, and you clearly think it's huge deal. Just chill. Cis and trans people have different experiences, and those terms can be used to differentiate them. Trans women are women, just as much as tall women are women or black women are woman or fat women are women. It takes just about no effort to use the pronouns the person asks you to and it's just polite

@hugo zubiria why are guys like you so obsessed with other peoples bodies?

@hugo zubiria And how old did you say you were? I refuse to believe you are more than a very spoiled, self-centered and egoistical 7 year old. Your level of ignorance and lack of empathy are astonishing, hope you get to mature someday.

OR, and hear me out, OR you don’t bother determining because it doesn’t mean anything? Since they’re both women,l?

@hugo zubiria nice egoism there buddy

It's such a good comparison that it's funny to watch him try to use it as a negative

@@saltmomtmissad8384 yeah I love how a lot of the things he said kind of went against the point he was trying to make.

So his problem is that we can say "trans women" but we only have one one version of "she" to use for everyone who is female. OK, just say "T-her," "T-she" and "T-ma'am," and stop complaining, Shapiro.

@@premanadi yah that's so logical

i hate Benneth Sharpie

Ikr. Also there is an intense laziness to the whole thing. Keeping your child locked in Plato’s cave because you’re too lazy/dumb to explain things to them 😂

He is a normal parent, he never talks to his child about sexuality and most children would not allow this to their parents. Most kids would probably slap their parents right away if they even started talking about such a topic. Transgender is different, but I think most kids don't care and it's not a problem.

​@@vilagistene2939 explaining the birds and the bees to your children is so commonplace that we have multiple specific phrases for it in common parlance. Also like all schools have some kind of sex education program (as woeful as a lot of them can be) because it's, yknow, important.

Not to mention that there is a non zero chance that your child turns up being transgender / non-binary themselves, and hence would benefit from already having at least heard of the topic. Communicating your own acceptance of trans people early on can help them be more comfortable with it so they don’t stay in the closet and struggle with dysphoria / depression and so on when growing up. The very outdated rhetoric of « what if representation turns my children gay* » is harmful in more ways than one imo.

Yeah because that's how it works

@@brendan904 that *is* how it works, actually, and you're just going to have to get over it.

Literally one of the easiest conversations to have with a young child I stg

​@@brendan904 My child cousin understood perfectly that I was a boy now (I'm ftm), she had no problem understanding when she was 5-6 years old. It's not confusing to toddlers, it's only confusing to close minded people

@@falcon_arkaig it’s only confusing specifically to people who choose to be confused

Yeah i don't know what to make of that, or one time milo yanopa-whatever proudly indicated that he was 'deliberately mis-gendering' some person. At times i can get that, if someone believes trans people are just delusional or attention-seeking or, i dunno, gross or whatever objection they might have, that they'd bristle at being pressured to use a different pronoun*. And that's unfortunate. But yeah, ben shapiro and the like don't strike me that way, i think your 'performative' is spot on. 'Cruelty' though, i don't know... it's just the assholery posing as bravery that's his brand and gets his audience off. Although even that crowder guy who shares shapiro's audience and politics will still actually be civil and call people by the right pronoun from what i've seen. And that's a pretty fucked up editorial standard for a publication in any case.

Raketemensch 00000 I don’t know how useful it is to debate the semantics, but to me “assholery” is the kind of behaviour that you’d find in a typical episode of House MD or Sherlock. Ben actively lies about marginalised groups of people to promote his ideology, gets well paid to do it and seems to enjoy being nasty to people. If that’s not cruelty to you then perhaps my bar for that label is lower than yours. But I don’t think it’s defensible behaviour either way. Even if we grant that the way he acts is just his “brand” and he’s not actually a bad person in his heart, that just means he’s a mendacious coward who’ll say things he doesn’t believe for a quick buck.

Cruelty? No it's the refusal to feed a delusion, but even then of course he accidentally used the wrong pronoun, because HE LOOKS LIKE A GIRL. You know who looks like girls? GIRLS DO. Real women typically look like girls, so of course the pronoun has connection to biology

Account: You can argue that it's wrong for biological males to dress and act as women (I disagree, but you could argue it), but the idea that pronoun use actually naturally comes from biology is pretty clearly false in any practical sense. In fact, in actual scientific contexts, pronouns are very rarely used to identify biological sex. We use "male" and "female" in research, and if you started calling, say, ginkgo trees, "girls," you'd be in some trouble with your editor. Often, "it" is actually used instead of "she/he" in plant and animal studies because it feels so damn strange to call a tree "she" (though people certainly do sometimes) even if its biological sex is known. When he/she pronouns are used, though, that alone is not enough for science-you have to specify "male" or "female," even in human medical trials sometimes. The idea that pronouns as a language tool come from biological or genetic sex is pretty easy to disprove. This argument doesn't really say anything about whether trans people are "real," but it does say something about Shapiro's argument. This particular point is outright illogical-it comes from political goals and personal views about trans people, not from a truth about language use. Coming from someone who so prides logic and facts, it becomes laughable.

I think in Ben's case he wants to believe this because of his religion. And he is absolutely within his rights to do so. His aversion to preferred pronouns is justified. Justified by his religion, that is. We, as a society, give extra leeway to religions. Bigotry, close mindness, discrimination and cruelty are all fine, as long as you do it in the name of religion. Just remember to say your particular god is just and loving and you can pick up your pitchforks and torches with a clear conscience. And as long as we, as a society, keep giving religions exemptions, we can't really say anything against religion based bigotry. We enable it after all.

>graduated from UCLA with highest possible honors in less than 3 years >graduated from Harvard law right after with Cum-Laude (highest honor possible) in less than 3 years >speaks at campuses around the country and destroys everyone he debates, even when he's being an asshat with his shitty trad-con nonsense >140-160 IQ minimum >Is slowly allowing himself to shed the skin of an overly religious and biased Jew because he's open minded What were you saying again..? Just because he presents facts and statistics that disagree with your own biased and unsubstantiated beliefs doesn't mean he's caught up in his feelings. In fact, the only people caught up in their feelings in this thread are you and I. I don't want to be lumped in with the likes of you though, so I'll just say Shapiro is magnitudes sharper than anyone here, period... At least I'm distancing myself from you by being in a group of currently 400,000 people on this video.

Bennys feels < reals

@@MrCholoPants3415 lmao did you not watch the Contra video?

@@MrCholoPants3415 _">speaks at campuses around the country..."_ How is that possible? I thought those had all been overrun with Marxists since the 1920s...

​ @Traditional European Him needing $600k worth of security and having riots at many of the events wouldn't really support the moronic point that you're so subtly alluding to.

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Mommy Feelings destroys 'Daddy' 'Logic'

I don't think conservatives will agree because they use their own logic.

As someone with Québécois heritage who’s anglophone I’m still not fully over that time at my family reunion where I said “le table” and it became a running joke. That said if I can survive misgendering a table other people can survive having to correct themselves when they misgender a *person.*

"has the audacity" XD

I can proudly claim That i have the femininity of an axe!

@@labistellaire3983 That just randomly reminded me of that one OKGO lyric where he sings: "She's got a body like a battleaxe."

@@tortis6342 transition goals

only act the way I like, nooo

he isnt wrong. We all want different things in life, you get over it and move on. Not chop your dick off and call yourself by a different name.,

@@AddedSugar9 Since gender identity isn't something you can "get over and move on", your statement is non practical, useless and wrong.

@PUNMPKIN what is this conversation XD

@@AddedSugar9 This is like saying, "We all want different things in life, you get over it and move on, not quit your job and move to LA to become a famous actor." SOME people do that, and are in fact very successful at it. It doesn't work for everyone, no, but, like... it does for some. Frankly it sounds like you gave up all of your dreams and ambitions to work in IT and now you're projecting that regret and depression onto everyone else.

Don’t forget eyes, and people who need contacts to see may have contacts that change their eye color. You’d say their eye color is that of what the contact changed it to, but you can’t call a person with XX chromosomes a boy? Kinda confused.

Taichi Fujisaki exactly. In the end it goes down to referring to anyone as being naked because they weren’t born with clothes.

@Ali Arafat The person you replied to was making fun of transphobes, not being transphobic. They're implying that the whole situation they wrote is stupid, and that trans people should be called whatever pronouns they identify with.

​@Ali Arafat ................ I'm a trans man.

@Ali Arafat i was making a joke please don't yell at me i'm already sad enough these days 😢

me, a gender non conforming person: i am a mess

Basically me when I saw that part

Good. Being perfectly feminine is not realistic.

PREACH 😭🤚

Ayooo 🤣🤣

Which is why it bothers me when .... trans folks... or people in general are ready to jump like hyenas on people who were raised differently and therefore already have pre-existing definitions for pronouns. Just because you want the pronoun usage to change, doesnt mean you get to try to make people feel like shit for needing time to get it. Yes children are pliable. It's not really a good thing. It makes it easier for you to influence them yes... But if we remained that pliable even as adults, there would be no stability. Because you're not the only one influencing.

Mr S but then they’re grown up and understand that life isn’t as simple as you knew when you were six. I don’t see the problem but I see you jumping to a conclusion.

Exactly. The world is full of weird and confusing things. Kids are faced with new and unfamiliar concepts on an almost daily basis. The idea that somehow transgender people are a concept just too foreign and alien for young minds to digest is silly. If a kid is old enough to understand that a Caterpillar turns into a Butterfly, but they are still the same animal, then they are old enough to understand binary transgender people. NB identities might be a little harder, but also easily doable.

SilverishKitten I agree but I also you paint with a pretty wide brush. In my experience when I misgendered someone what I got is “ooooh, I’d prefer she or her” and I’m like “oh shit, sorry my dude. I’ll try to remember that” and that’s it. Yeah people are more vicious online but that could be said by any group of any interest. I.e. don’t like that a Jewish mother wanted to kick out their neighbor? Dox her and send death threats to her personal phone. Don’t like a guy who’s advocating conservative values? Group up and riot an entire town until the event is cancelled.

@Mr S I really can't see how "unlimited" genders can affect society in a bad way. I tried to think of the possible scenarios but nothing terrible comes to mind. Care to elaborate?

No officer, I'm not stealing this car, I'm it's undocumented owner.

this made me burst out laughing xD

Were you taken away or could your biological parents not support you? Do you like your adoptive parents? I never heard this view point from someone who was adopted and I want to adopt multiple kids so I'm legit curious

@@RockZombieIAm same, adopt with me

How do you make a kid feel not this cuz I wanna adopt

Idek when I first learned about trans people as a little kid I was initially disgusted and confused, despite being trans myself.

but that disgust and confusion is a great first step towards understanding vs. encountering trans identities later in life and experiencing that unresolved disgust towards fellow adults

​@@tshred666same here, I suppose it is because some children assimilate gender roles and stereotypes faster than others and for that reason they initially refuse the notion that those "rules" can be broken, at least that happened to me (I came out as a trans girl last year and it was one of the best things I ever did :3)

I had this discussion with a bro culture friend of mine. Apparently, some men like starting discussutions on topics with experts to see how well they hold up compared to the expert. And the job of the Experte is to either correct them and add more stuff they dont know

Mansplaining

​@@amamuffin are we women so dumbass that we never explain nothing to men and try to make them understand? 🤦

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@katrinam6795I’ll say as the man who’s been both the guy looking to test his knowledge against the expert AND the guy who just likes to explain stuff, you can usually tell which one you’re talking to using context clues. The former will talk to get you talking, and the latter will talk to get you to shut up and listen. It’s a weird impulse that seems to exist far more in men than women for whatever reason, but it makes us feel smart and validated in a way that kinda comes from a place of insecurity, and naturally gets real toxic when misogyny is a factor.

Mad Poet Society omfg same. All of it. Same. I'm sorry things were like that.

Hey, you don't know me and I don't know you, but I'm sorry your dad is an asshole and I hope you have a good day.

Their subconscious end goal is to train you to act like a woman but also train you to accept abuse and marginalization while doing so. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

I grew up in a traditional family and thrived meanwhile one girl i knew cut herself regurlarly because of her alcohol adddiction that she got because her parents wanted her to explore herself. Traditional gender roles Work for most people

Mad Poet Society Very much same. When you act girly, you're treated as inferior. When you act manly, you're told that you're not supposed to do that. As if you're supposed to act like the inferior human breed you apparently are.

Does he actually not like being called Benny?

This entire conversation is made up... Oh so transgenders are just playing make believe. I was confused.

@@GamePath That's not what I was saying.

@@sardonicsardonyx359 Oh so benny is a nickname... nicknames are made up. So trangenders are completely made up also. Thanks! Got it.

Calling someone named Ben “Benny” is not the same as forcing people to deny biological realities. A more appropriate analogy would be if someone said their preferred pronoun was “Climate Change is a myth” and reprimanded you and called you phobic every time you protested using their preferred pronoun. Your analogy sucks and only works on this uncritical audience.

Thats an honest mistake. Its not the same as people screeming at you for "misgendering" them.

Here is the question. Did you scream at them for misgendering you?? Thats the difference

@@ad8447 I felt a little embarrassed but I didn't yell at them because they weren't trying to hurt or offend me. I have a lot of experience dealing with bullies to tell the difference, but I wouldn't blame trans people for snap out at people who refuse to recognize them for who they are.

Nothing wrong with accidentally misgendering someone. Continuing to do so, however, is another story. @@ad8447

​@@ad8447 Okay but you do realize people only scream when they are repeated harassed, by the same people over and over and over again.

Yes, children are easily brainwashed. Are you really that surprised?

Right

I died when he “corrected” his use of she. Like, he has to make sure we all know he’s deliberately working to be asshole

I think he's just mad because we all know how sexy and beautiful Laverne is. That and Laverne is a transwoman with a decent amount of cultural clout. We just can't have that now can we?

Laverne is a transwoman with a decent amount of cultural clout and widespread recognition. We just can't have that now can we?/s

That shit happens. I have a few trans gamer friends, and we all use the preferred she pronouns. But I noticed even the women in our community still call the individuals he when they arent in the room

captain is better

Reginald Höfnerspoon “Your Excellency” is best!

@@dylanchouinard6141 fuck you, captain

'Mortal' is my go-to gender free pronoun

Reginald Höfnerspoon well that was uncalled for, Your Excellency!

My irish boyfriend tried to learn German and said about our pronouns:"They' are there to sort out intruders!" There are in fact no logical rules to them, children just learn them by imitation.

I’m a native English speaker, but I learned Spanish when I was pretty young. I don’t speak it much any more, but yeah, learning a gendered language like that when you’re young makes it SO much easier to pick up other languages with a heavy reliance on gender

Correct. And who gets to decide how words are used/what they mean?

@@---yl4mf the speakers of the language

@@adrianmoreno8816 Good answer. That means that both those who want 6000 genders and those who deny trans-hood get a voice. Which is fair, but makes things complicated.

@@---yl4mf Sadly yes but the respect to others is what allows us to comform a society. Anyways, the life is so complicated

they are words that already have definitions. you cant bs something made a long time ago into your own description

Christine Jorgensen came out, very very publicly in 1952. It's not that trans-women weren't around, it's just been a fight that's been going on continuously since the '50s in the US.

This is a beautiful comment :(

Speaking of 60s, how were the 1960s for you? It's a pretty cool decade, just in terms of art and music, so I'm always interested in hearing more personal accounts. If you're willing to share.

Beautiful.

@@josh-oo I was a child of neglectful parents in the 60s. I grew up in San Francisco, so was exposed to lots of amazing music and art. But too young to fully participate, which is something that I regret even though there was nothing I could do about it. It *was* a pretty cool decade - even the 70s were pretty cool, especially compared to what we're dealing with now.

Radical

CP doesnt have facts, just feelings

@Here to comment/watch weird stuff . I actually do watch CPs stuff. Ever since he was a normal boy on the blaire interview or w.e., it's really interesting to see his alter ego. Heres my problem, he interchangeably uses transsexual and transgender, but it's clear which he is. At the end, he states his identity is based on societal support. For example, he gets said desired positive reinforcement from the environment (which is nurtured).

@Here to comment/watch weird stuff positive reinforcement is directly related to attention and feelings.... what are you talking about

@Here to comment/watch weird stuff ... just talking from a social standpoint, ignore gender/biology and all the bull shit. Instead replace those with social cliques at school aka demographically. Say cheerleader (erin) wants to be referred to as shaniqua, all of her friends cater to it and call her that "nickname". Why would I care about her nick name or the feelings of those who "feel" she should be called said nick name.

He's actually a squid 🐙

@@sionnachmacbradaigh1010 don’t insult squids like that

they go by ba/by

@@amb600cd0 you mean to say "ba goes by ba/by" :))

@@cosmo_junk oops, really sorry Ben, i didnt mean to do that to ba

I fucking died at that.

I thought I was a cis woman, but it turns out I gotta find a judgy older female relative and get her in a restaurant asap

@@vids595 yes all women need an older female relative who body shames them. That's what we all need

@@idkdk569 Nice false dilemma there. Or maybe you could just mind your business and not comment on what people order, as well as not make medical judgements about how much people should exercise based on as little info as what they're eating for one meal out. Do you always express your concern for the health of everyone you see eating processed sugar, imbibing large amounts of drugs, or spending the day on the couch, or does this imperative just apply to people who don't make your dick happy?

@@elperry7733 after thinking about my comments for a while, i realized i was in the wrong, i apologize have a nice day

Even in English we call ships "she".

Suddenly, my book has an XY I wasn't made aware of. brilliant

My dumbass neighbor calls his car sheila / her. Does that mean I have to ?

My native language doesn't have gender-specific pronouns at all.

@@ryanthomas9306 This comment is dismissing the notion that "biology is the nature of pronouns".

What a horrid parent.

@@AndrosProtos "I love and support my child" = horrible parent to you? I bet your parents are great people just like you...

You prob won't see this because this comment is old, but I seriously admire you for this, it means so much to your child

just wanted to let you know how much it means to have supportive parents. not all of us are so lucky so thank you for loving your child regardless of whatever they identity as.

I wish you were my parent. I sent them resources myself and they haven't looked at any of it. I'm glad that some parents are making the effort of trying to understand out of their own volition

Bone structure and biological make up is clearly what determined how we assign pronouns. The whole:"You can't know someone's chromosomes." argument is intentionally taking what is being presented at face value without taking into consideration the actual factors that even make this sentence be uttered by an individual to begin with. Basically: X means this,Y means this,B means this,therefore: A is due to XYB. You could claim that everyone can read really well,but then someone could literally just mention dyslexic people who may not be able to inherently read well without practice. (Dyslexia might have not been a good example,but I'm sure you get the point. Additional point:Our mind basically determines gender by causing attraction towards the opposite sex,so we socially and biologically base gender off of appearance.)

​@@SlutForCynthiaBut there's not even a set bone structure between sexes. Yeah, it can be used to help determine sex but it's not a reliable method at all. Plus, a lot of languages use gendered pronouns on objects, too.

​@@SlutForCynthiaNot even to mention how common it actually is for cis peoples chromosomes to not match up with their sex. Someone could appear fully biologically male and spend their entire life as a cis man yet still have XX chromosomes. The same thing can be applied about cis women with XY chromosomes. Chromosomes aren't a surefire way to determine sex either.

​@@sillyspiderIt's still better than defining it by feeling.

Ben Shapiro should idolize me, and so should your ex and you.

DolphinsWIthIgloos didn’t drop him because of that but go off lmao you don’t know shit about shit so don’t act like you do

Proud of u

Why do people idolize opinion people? You know, those people who get famous for an opinion. Its not an achievment. I don't get it.

kudosbudo I really don’t get it either. They’re just people and he genuinely had a weird obsession with the man.

its full of nuts so its gotta be male. I have spoken.

Das Nutella. Die Butter.

Here in Brazil we call it "A Nutella", "a" being the feminine article

@@jmns9595 That's cool, thank you for your input! As far as I understand the way the name came to be was the (italian) inventor using the english word "nut" and adding the italian diminutive suffix -ella, so it's interesting to see that carries over to Brazil :)

Die Nutella Only valid answer

i guess the way i see it it’s changing in my school yeah, there’s actually a fair few out enbys (myself included) expressing and identifying with the expected variability… a fair few teachers and the vast majority of students use they/they for us. there’s two that i met that i genuinely couldn’t pick their assigned gender at birth, without them telling me, so i’ve always seen them both, not as more-non-binary (whatever that means), but “passing” as enby, and i sun tilly using they/them so ur family might not see you as you are, but i think that general perception is changing (at least in some places)

Our neutral pronouns aren't usually used to refer to people. The neutral pronoun is used similar to "it" in English, referring to things/objects rather than people. Which is why if you called someone an "es" or "das" in German they'd feel quite offended. I'm honestly not familiar with any gender neutral term none binary people widely use here, I know some use "they" in normal German language as well but in that community it's an ongoing discussion on how to fill this "language hole" so to speak. I got the impression you might not be German and the following might be new to you, but if you are and were just making a joke I apologize. Just thought this might be interesting in case you're not.

@@Xsomono In Swedish there are two neutral grammatical genders (den, det) and two gendered 3rd person pronouns (han, hon). There has been for a while an effort to adopt a new neutral/ungendered 3rd person pronoun (hen), which is now starting to be used in legal documents and everyday speech. In many feminist and leftist circles in Catalonia it is now commonplace to use plural feminine case to refer to a group of people regardless of gender and to indistinctively use masculine and feminine case and pronouns to refer to individual people, regardless of gender. This is because the 'x' in words like 'latinxs' is unpronounceable and the other alternative of naming both grammatical genders every time is impractical as well as non-inclusive.

@@KilgoreTroutAsf Very interesting. I hope your efforts in Sweden develop well. Here in Germany officially introducing a new pronoun is sadly unthinkable at the moment.

@@Xsomono Luckily in isiZulu and most Southern African languages, there are no gendered pronouns that exist. All pronouns that refer to people refer not to gender but to their being people. People = abantu, pronoun bona (they/them plural), person = umuntu, pronoun yena (they/them singular).

Oh I wish

Lisa Frank's third trimester abortion.

@@machturtlepresents Daaaaaayyyuuuummmmm...

@@davidneiman7393 But, like, in a good way.

Pool noodle chic

No, those are like, a specific sour candy here in the US, but I forget the name. They look exactly like that but they have a dusting of whatever the sour dust they put on candy is. They're gummy strips that come in little plastic packages wrapped in cellophane. Someone else please remind what they're called

@@baristaz8834 there are people who have all the physical characteristics of male or female anatomy but the opposite chromosomes. You have no way of knowing. Especially not with strangers you've never met.

@@baristaz8834 then just, don't assume people's sex? It's not really important. If you're not someone's doctor you don't need to know unless they decide to tell you. I know a lot of people who you just wouldn't know their sex by looking at them. Just don't assume.

@@baristaz8834 no it's not. The only thing you really need to know is what name and pronouns someone goes by. You can, and I'd say should, ask someone about those. The rest doesn't really matter in most circumstances unless they choose to tell you.

@@baristaz8834 they don't assume your sex. They assume your gender, and assume the two are the same. You can assume someone's pronouns without assuming someone's sex. I'm not saying never assume someone's pronouns ever, I'm saying that assuming someone's sex isn't a necessary part of social interactions.

@@baristaz8834 Or maybe you're just salty?

THANK YOU

@@checkbox197 It must have been a pain in the ass to clean up that bathtub afterwards.

Somehow I thought it said "as a giant woman" at first and I'm sad because Steven Universe is on hiatus.

@@SuviTuuliAllan Speaking of, are you excited about the movie?

@@sardonicsardonyx359 As excited as a depressed person can be, I suppose. You?

@@SuviTuuliAllan Unpopular opinion, but I think I'm going to be disappointed. SU is like Game Freak; they introduce something that's really cool like Mega Evolution but abandon it in the next generation. SU has cool characters but they take the back burner so often by the time they do develop characters they do so that instead of focusing on what's important. Do I wanna know about Peridot? Yes, but not when the world is at steak and you are taking time to relax in the sun and sing songs! I want to know more about Steven and Connie's relationship? Yes, but not when Lars could be dead in space! I feel like the gem is going to be a really good villain, then be redeemed by the end of the movie, and then never be developed or spoken about ever again.

you must have been psychologically traumatized by the experience! how did you ever survive without turning trans?? what an immoral mother, putting you in that horrific situation, i am so sorry!!! (humongous sarcasm alert.)

Every story involving kids i hear is " they don't worry about it and get on with it" when it comes to race, gender. They honestly don't care.

Dat Fishe Boi Yup! Same! She's almost fully transitioned now and she goes by Arabella :) sorry old comment but just wanted to share.

My 12 year old daughter has a friend at school who has been considering transitioning, she told me this as a matter of fact without any judgement etc. It lightened my heart to hear it, their circle has all been supportive. I can't imagine something like that taking place when I was a kid, no one would have felt safe enough to come forward and discuss it. It gives me hope for our future generations. That is if they have a planet that can sustain them by then.

Dat Fishe Boi that’s great

I thought that video was funny as hell. Eliot Page ruined several conservative media personalities’ lives for a few weeks by literally just being a man.

Yeah this autistic "but I'm just being truthful here! Facts don't care about the feelings" conservatives like to parrot around is such a simplistic way of viewing human communication and language.

"Jew boy" is never respectful. "Sir" and "he" almost always are.

@@sananton2821 That's the point

@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 No. Being so mentally ill that you choose to be upset at traditional terms of respect is far different from accepting an intended insult that is only ever insulting. You can't even read.

@@sananton2821 "sir" and "he" are not respectful if you're addressing a woman

I drank Jordan Peterson's Kool Aid for like a day, but thankfully I pulled back from his insanity. CP has really helped me swing back to the left, where I belong.

Evidenced by the fact that you are one of those gullible people?

@@snek9353 I mean I was. It was only for about a day though. I can tell you that I'm easily manipulated and JP did precisely that to me.

@@Jamie-kg8ig How, JP is an interesting and intense man, but I've never heard him say anything manipulative?

JBP has some possibly horrible views and implications, and some possibly good and empowering views. Often, he's very "you be you" but opposed to "people changing the world". It does change tho, slowly and usually gently. Contra is pretty darn respectful the fact that people don't start in radical places, vs intentional misinterpretations.

We can only hope she was completely intoxicated :D :D

The parent argument has always been so absurd. They can’t treat other people with dignity because they have to…be a parent? Uh, that sounds like an iss-you, not an iss-me.

Benson

@@bagelforks that’s me

And why? I would never do it because I think it's bullshit. Of course you can, but it's completely unnecessary.

⁠​⁠@@vilagistene2939Well, it comes down to respect. I was taught to be compassionate and respectful, you don’t know people’s story or what they got on their mind. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Ultimately you can have whatever opinion you want, it’s not your place for you to decide for them. Going out of your way to call them the wrong thing is just a plain rude thing to do. You can choose to do that, but remember that you reap what you sow. So if you act like that, don’t be shocked if people don’t think too highly of you.

​@@gumbly4174Compassion and respect are one thing, being a brain dead droid is another. Surely you think it's a good thing to give up your own autonomy at the altar of other people's feelings? They feel a certain way, but it's not just about taking the other person's feelings into account and maybe not bringing up a topic or doing something, but they expect you to subordinate your own reality to theirs. As long as you feel transgender women are women, there is no problem, but if you don't feel that way and are still willing to treat them that way/talk about them that way, then you subordinate your own reality to their reality. The same is true for non-binaries. It goes quite strongly against individualism if your first reality is not your own, but someone else's. This could lead to a Black Mirror episode sooner or later. You can look at people, even with respect, and be considerate of their feelings, so that you don't give up your own autonomy and set boundaries! You can listen to other people's feelings up to a certain point, but only if it does not take away from your autonomy. Since it came across from your comment that you are only doing this because of their feelings, and not because you think so, you are giving away a small part of your own autonomy. In addition, respect is optional. If someone considers himself to be respectful and empathetic, he practices it even in situations where the other party is the opposite! If the other party does not behave in a way that suits him, he also loses respect and empathy. Selective empathy is not true empathy. Even the least empathic people can have some empathy, but someone can only call themselves empathic if their empathy is not selective. Regardless, it is a mistake to mix empathy with political issues.

MC Hill Awwww. Go aunt!

I’m happy for you. Your aunt is really cool.

Thats amazing! I would be terrified to show ContraPoints to my family because i know i would be judged and i know they wouldn't watch the whole video

Aww, that's so wholesome.

You are not non binary. You are man or woman.

most "grammar nazis" don't even know much about grammar beyond the your/you're and there/their/they're distinction

The descriptive grammar use of gender pronouns have historically been used to apply to observable sex. Genitals were generally the the most in-depth way to observe sex, until karyotypes were discovered. That's why deferring to karyotypes as an extension of our observational abilities is consistent with historical usage. Ben doesn't have a poor understanding of language, you just willingly fell for a clever bit of linguistic sophistry because it reaffirmed your preconceptions.

I think it's not that he doesn't understand language, he just wants to be an ass. If you had a full name you didn't like and went by a shortened version of it or a nickname, he'd be the person who would call you by your full name and give you a long justification for why he was being a douche.

theex: the Wrong site for your kind. Contra point has no love for the alt-white, though she has a friend that might like to meet you for a friendly game of softball.

​@@AnxiathyWho "defers to karyotypes" when deciding how to address / refer to someone in everyday life (by which I mean life outside of debates and RU-vid)? What does this mean? How does it play out in a social situation? Practically speaking, karyotypes are not "observable". Do you empirically know what your own chromosomes look like? Maybe you do. Good for you! I don't. I know I have breasts and a vagina, along with other visible characteristics, but my karyotype could be XXY9j57[ghost emoji] for all I or anyone else knows or cares. I've never had a genetic gender test done, and to my knowledge, neither has anyone I know. Well, that's inconvenient! What will I possibly base gendered pronouns on now?? Crap, I wanted to email my dad about my sister's birthday, but I have no "observed" genetic data for assigning gendered pronouns to them. It's going to be a clunky, gender-neutral mess! Thanks a lot, conservatives! I'm not sure I can master Shapirian Molecular Grammar without bionic eye implants that can zoom in on people's DNA and analyze their chromosomes instantly. Oh well. I'll have to stick with our terrible "calling people what they want to be called" system until technology catches up with Ben's omniscience. In the meantime, he can invent pronouns for people with XXY, XYY, XXX, etc. chromosomes, because obviously calling them either "her" or "him" would be incorrect and absurd. Ugh, so many new pronouns to memorize! Thanks a lot, conservatives!

@- it is okay if it's an honest mistake but don't purposefully go around misgendering people that's wrong.

Not quite. The other reason to do so is, even if you know the person's correct pronouns, they ask you to not use them so as to not out them. Similarly, people fuck up sometimes, and that's okay and expected, so long as they're making an effort.

Dirty Nazi!! DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!!!!!!!

Whenever someone says Ben Shapiro is smart because he talks fast, I automatically think of the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz when he says, "Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking."

Sargons wife's black daughter sheneqwa of akkad Does your Mom know you’re using swear words online?

*Eminem is typing*

Ben Shapiro goes way to fat sometimes

I thought that was Trisha Paytas

Hey, hope you're being serious. I was never "anti sjw" but Natalie has definitely helped me better understand things I had previously only agreed with out of the "it's fine to do what you want if you don't hurt anyone and I don't want to be rude" principal. She's intelligent and inquisitive in a way that I connect with

@@Taquinqua Yeah same. Exactly the same tbh

welcome! we've been waiting for you

Obviously cause you're a sponge.

@Sargons wife's black daughter sheneqwa of akkad oof. whats up your butt? why are you so mad lmao how are trans women affecting you?

German?

It's almost as if Ben has a narrow worldview

Der Toast. Das Nutella. No discussions damnit!

Ben is so self centered which is why he can only think about the English language when making an argumemt. No need to make his head hurt.

@hugo zubiria Well, in German "the girl" is called "das Mädchen". "Das" ist the pronoun for "it". So a girl is an "it", while a boy is a "he"...a young, unmarried women would "das Fräulein", so also an "it"...once she is older and married she would be called "die Frau", so she suddenly becomes a "she"...unless you want to disparage her by calling her "das Weib" which is pretty instulting by today's standards.

We shall be the Resistance. Despite the dread, and the mourning, we MUST fight. Seremos a Resistência. Apesar do temor e do luto, LUTAMOS.

Como mulher brasileira também, resistiremos juntas!

Eu também! Tem mulher mais woke que a Natalie? Hshahau 😊

Linda demais

Como homem/degenerado alemão, eu espero que vocês ficam salvo e continuam a resistência. É um tempo triste pelo Brasil e o mundo inteiro. Estamos organizando projetos de solidaridade aqui em Hamburgo. FASCISTAS NÃO PASSARÃO.

i actually had damage to my psyche from not knowing what it meant to be trans until thirteen or fourteen. god, i could have saved myself so much pain if id been able to figure out why i felt so wrong and so trapped

*Not* learning about trans people made me feel very uncomfortable when I was struck by reality

yeah i found out about trans people at the age of 12 took a long time to completely understand it

🙋🏼‍♀️ my mom literally just told 3-4 year old me “some boys are born in girl bodies and some girls are born in boy bodies. Sometimes they decide to change their names and dress different to match who they are on the inside.” And little me was like “ok cool got it, tea party time?” It wasn’t even a “thing” at all, she just told me what trans people are and that was it lol.

My mom and dad told me but always put it in a bad light, so when I realized those feelings weren’t what every other cis girl felt, needless to say I was terrified and thought my parents were gonna hate me. It’s not just about teaching them but teaching them the right way. No matter how many times my mother said ‘we won’t judge you if you come out as a boy or whatever’ she still would negatively reinforce the idea that trans people were horrible through her constant political rants to my father.

probably because they are bigots

It's like, this video is 30 minutes. Children are exposed to stuff for years before leaving their parent's household lol. You literally barely need to try to explain this. They just don't want to

kids are surprisingly accepting, i've explained my being asexual to kids just saying "well some people like boys, some people like girls, some people like both, some people are not boys or girls, some people aren't interested in any of the above" and they didn't bat an eye about it. they literally do not give a FUCK that i'm a girl who doesn't want to go out with either boys or girls or... anyone. unless they're being earbashed about how LGBT+ people are all literally hitler by their parents, kids do not care. it's such a ridiculous argument!

Pillbo Baggins as usual , water is wet , wind is windy , and hatred is learned.

the issue is, how do they explain something that they don't understand. it's not inherently bigotry. maybe, it is ignorance. maybe, they shouldn't be the ones to explain. maybe contrapoints or others of her ilk should

lol gotta love them not gendered languages

Hasanabi head

Is there no excuse these days? Exactly! There is no excuse for trying to tell anyone what pronouns to use! What pronouns do you have? But I'm going to call you with the opposite pronoun, whether you're cis or not... Filthy Nazi!

Exactly. I mentioned this a few people at a meetup when I met Natalie in Boston a couple of months ago. By the way love your channel!!! :)

Hey Drei pfeile! I binge watched your videos today. You're easily one of the most educational channels around. Big ups!

When pushed Peterson would always immediately start conflating the non-prison punishment for the C16 updates with the potentially prison-y punishment he'd face for Contempt of Court in not complying with the punishment for the C16 violations, and I never saw him called on this sudden massive goalpost-shifting or its consequent implications.

Or the powers-that-be in Canada know that they got called out on their stupid shit and are waiting for the public to forget about JBP.

That's an illogical argument. There's no way to know what would have come of Bill C16 had Jordan Peterson not made it an issue. The law did have consequences written into it. There's no reason not to think it would have been enforced. It could be just as easily argued that Jordan effectively negated the bill with his resistance and that had he not resisted there would have been actions taken by now. In fact the Lindsay Shepard scandal nearly proves the later point true.

YES! It must needs to be remarked how wonderful it is that you could stay open to true logic, you are a blessing (and btw give me so much hope and faith :D)

Natalie Wynn DESTROYS a false myth with FACTS and LOGIC

@Le Wats Good artist! I see someone knows what's up.

Transgender calmly DISMANTLES conservatards using FACTS and LOGIC

@@gavinthatcher9307 syntax and analogies are not logic.... Also no facts

How does the biological part influences the usage of the non-birth gender?

Indeed. Sanskrit-based languages (like Hindi and Marathi) have the same nuances. Chairs are female, tables are male, clouds are male, rivers are female, etc. And yup, respectable persons are addressed with plural pronouns

*Indo-Aryan languages

My parents surrounded me with deeply diverse people from a young age. So, sometimes it's very very difficult to understand why this stuff is so complicated for people.

Exactly. You know the Citroen-Paradox? So according to it, a company, a state, or any large social construct is an invention. It does not exist. It's purely in our minds, because we have been taught it exists since we were young. Moral of the story is, we live in a world dominated by lies

1917th BenisBrigade Not all social constructs are "lies", in the sense that they don't exist. Money is a social construct, because we as a society created it, and without us it wouldn't exist. But despite that, money exists in your wallet and we can physically touch it, can we?

Point is that using the shortened form is optional... Not mandatory and it wont hurt the person if either is used. Your analogy doesnt work.

1917th BenisBrigade Math is a social construct. But it's not a lie.

I'm so sorry that happened to your mom.

rip

Shannon-igans - goddamn it i hate that little violin playing goblin

thats cool af

wait, so agua is grammatically feminine, but you use el because it starts with a vowel? as someone who has just started learning spanish, i have questions. i speak french though, and we totally do that, where you change the gendered article before a word just to make it sound aesthetic

Spanish also has a neutral article _lo_ that can be used before adjectives (for example, _lo mejor_ "the best"), although its distinction from the masculine gender isn't all that obvious.

They are fem in Latin, that's all. I mean I dont really know axe, but able to recount water at least. In Spanish lo is technically neutral pronoun, but not used for living things. Lo is not neutral in Italian though

For someone who talks about how he’s Jewish and that his wife is a doctor every five minutes he certainly doesn’t know a lot of about Judaism and science.

Whoa, unexpected Halacha lesson is very much welcome!

Taichi Fujisaki I mean, he’s not the doctor, so why would he? I doubt he even knows the idea of osmosis, let alone can apply it metaphorically to his knowledge of language, psychology, or science as a whole.

This is the guy who thinks women don't get wet during sexual intercourse, too...

@@Itri_Vega oh no, really? Did he actually? lol

its true, i was the chromosome.

Daven Deere: you splendid son of a gun...

I SAW IT WITH MY 18 EYES

with FACTS and LOGIC

I'm still shook that we let the conservatives call liberals snowflakes when Ben Shapiro is loses his fucking mind when someone asks him to be nice

HA you wish. You'd freak out if someone called her 'he'

@@charlene2459 baby, what? are you being transphobic or are you just a dunce?

@@jacksonmaner5997 proved my point exactly!

Ikr just respect ppl it’s not hard.

That’s EXACTLY how I explain it to some people!! It’s just respect! You don’t turn to someone who says their name is Randy and say “ok mike nice to meet you” like??? WHAT

Because a lot of people think that it makes them look like a big smart intellectual. It's... Really fucking pathetic tbh

For the same reason, for example, that people dislike actually showing respect in Japanese. Because it's another complicated thing you should do to be seen as respectful (though obviously, Japanese is far harder than pronouns). That's still mostly a factor of people thinking everything new is weird because they never think about familiar things, but from an "objective" outside perspective it's just the problem of human society and the fact you need to do things to be seen as respectful. You know how cool would it be if you didn't need to show respect in any (active) way, and people wouldn't be insulted, because they don't know they are supposed to be insulted? That's obviously impossible without a very long (couple centuries at least) social evolution, but essentially that is the idea people express (sometimes without knowing it) when they choose to not show respect in a new way they do not consider obvious and familiar.

For others it's like doing it is agreeing with the ppl from the community and their ideologies. Personally, I don't mind using he/she pronouns for anyone. But I'm not using they/them or any other kind, cuz it's weird for me to use that with a single person and I've never learnt of any other official pronouns so.

" I don't see myself through the lense of how people perceive women" is a concise way of stating how i feel about my gender, thank you id call myself gender nonconforming, and i guess i could call myself a girl. ive had multiple gender crises because of this earlier lol

@@sandroselladore3506 glad you feel that too! Not so alone 🥰 It's been kind of a struggle to fit into the world authentically, but it's been easier as more language and conversation developed around gender and the constructs we've been adapted to vs what's possible ❤️

@@raeorion i like how you say what's possible because my end goal is to present like an ominous conglomerate of geometric shapes, chanting about your estranged father's sins outside his window at 4am--

@@sandroselladore3506 🤣🤣🤣 excellent

Your bf is gay.

lol

You should watch Some More News’ video on our boy Benjamin. He goes deep into that and does the best job I’ve seen of breaking down the flaws of Ben’s positions and arguments

His argument during that piece became "yes, it would clearly be more useful and expedient to just call you a woman, but then how would you know I don't respect you?"

Blaire said in one of her videos that she interacted with Ben in real life and that he called her by she/her pronouns. I think Ben would call trans people by their preferred pronouns, but he has a conservative audience, which he’d lose if he admitted that it is possible to use preferred pronouns for trans people.

@@user-ub9mm4vr5k That's honestly pretty sad. I mean I don't feel sorry for him specifically, but it is sad that his audience are the kinds of people who'd lynch his career if he showed an ounce of respect publically

scoreunder goku is a girl :p

Miss Bart Simpson lol

VoicelessMusic Butch Hartman, the author of Fairly-Odd Parents is super transphobic which makes it kinda weird in the context

.... it’s literally a show.. WhAt Do YoU mEaN

@M Thomas Presumably it's a matter of the author's intent, but that's not always crystal clear.

I was looking for a comment like this, thank you! I'm non binary too and i've been struggling a lot with "not passing as non binary", whatever that means. But this comment make me think that maybe this is a enby experience, unfortunately. at least i know now that someone feel/felt the same

that was frikkin' hilarious... you saw the split second panic...

watching that shit slowed down, his blinking rate hit that curb hard as fuck, blinking rate going higher than more than one in three seconds usually is a sign of nervousness lol

@@bubblegum3388 See that shows how easy it is to use the proper pronouns for someone. You literally have to go out of your way to be an asshole to intentionally misgender someone.

Maya Parisan God, I just LOVE Freudian slips.

AnHeC He goes out of his way to call trans women “sir” to their face.

Hell Yeah Dude @Darris Hawks

@Darris Hawks you can join too, dont be shy

aw thanks @midnightsg for writing this--it made my night!

She really does do a fantastic job with these videos. Not only are her own points extremely cogent and convincing, she is fantastic at recognizing areas where she still needs to grow and acknowledging counter-arguments - which she of course responds to by either deconstructing them or elaborating on fallacies within them.

Me too in many ways - these videos have helped me in incredible ways. I am still learning and I want to keep learning - some of us CAN change