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Protest Genshin Impact - What Hoyoverse Doesn't Want You to Know 

Souldapop
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This was tough for me. Normally, when I see CCs being manipulative or underhanded, I'll point out the behavior, but not the individual and hope the people that find my videos are able to use that to avoid being misled.
I am terrified of confrontation, but this is important to me, and I don't see any other way around it. This is a call to action. Don't allow Hoyoverse to ignore us any longer. Don't allow content creators to promote their products without disclosing the fact they are doing so. Hold them both to a higher standard.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN HARASS THEM! Just don't watch them. They'll notice and get the message.
Don't protest Genshin Impact by playing Honkai Star Rail. That's just really dumb.
Tectone: Keep up the good fight. Don't get distracted by the puppets falling on their swords.
I probably won't respond to as many comments as I normally do. I've been here since 2008, I know the worst of the worst show up in replies. It's probably going to be pretty bad. I'll turn off comments if I have to.
To my subscribers: I'm sorry. I know a lot of you will probably be disappointed by this video. Just know I really do appreciate all of you, and I hope you'll join me in the protest. It should go without saying, I won't be putting out a Xianyun video.
To trolls: Yes. The Lisp is strong with this one.
Timestamps:
0:00 Controversy Recap
0:50 My Thoughts on 4.4
1:51 Why I'm Protesting
2:15 How I'm Protesting
3:17 Subterfuge from CCs
4:22 Detriment to my Channel
04:46 CCs "Livelihoods"
06:27 The Drama/Red Herring
07:16 Sales Misrepresentation
09:41 Revenue Loss
10:57 Whales Don't Carry
13:19 How Hoyo Baits Spending
14:11 HSR
15:38 Hoyo's Biggest Mistake
16:27 Demands for Hoyoverse
17:58 Interesting Findings
Oh. It's also my birthday.
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@Souldapop
@Souldapop 3 месяца назад
I'll have updates in the pin later on, but Biimow but out a banger, so I wanted to send y'all there ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-S2ESwujjq9M.htmlsi=ShOEGnXeVSWtKsES I did a stream going over the concerns I was seeing from viewers about the video. Figured if I went through them in the pins it would just look like I was ranting. Here it is, if you're curious ru-vid.comL-5NWSfp1gI?si=o_VTEVgsr0-_viuk
@Biimow
@Biimow 3 месяца назад
bro is too kind fr 🥺
@FiragaJJC
@FiragaJJC 3 месяца назад
I have only one thing to say.... Genshin Dev team and Honkai dev team are two different... and going to Star Rail, or for me being a 5 year Honkai Impact 3rd player... leaving Genshin to HSR actually does something as Genshin Dev team and the Producer Caiyu (Caiyu was removed from HI3 producer and David Jaing took over 2017 and HI3 gotten better since) are the team focus on Genshin and not Honkai.
@NeostormXLMAX
@NeostormXLMAX 3 месяца назад
10:32 you contradicted yourself, you talked about hoyoverse being a PRIVATE company due to them not having good records or balance sheets yet talk about them goin to fail when investors pull out, this makes no sense what so ever. hoyo doesn't have to care about this PRESCISELY because they are a private company, its one of the reasons why valve will never go public no matter how much profit margins they have
@NeostormXLMAX
@NeostormXLMAX 3 месяца назад
12:20 I laughed when you included arknights, the game where you literally cannot increase the power level of characters with money and with the lowest ceiling for whales across all gatcha games
@Souldapop
@Souldapop 3 месяца назад
@@NeostormXLMAX I guess I'll go ahead and address this: private companies still have investors. Thought that was common knowledge given the popularity of Shark Tank, so never expected anyone to be confused by it. They don't have shares that are publicly traded, but they do still have direct investors that have stakes and provide funding. The money to get the game off the ground and published has to come from somewhere
@davidsabillon5182
@davidsabillon5182 3 месяца назад
Mihoyo did respond. Their silence was the answer. Like commented and subscribed 👍
@who2449
@who2449 3 месяца назад
I don't understand how companies can be so blind to the feedback they're receiving.
@reianvinceclaros6175
@reianvinceclaros6175 3 месяца назад
Personally I wouldn't call this situation as them being blind to feedback I see this as hoyo being willfully ignorant to any feedback we give them
@supernieva2419
@supernieva2419 3 месяца назад
If its minority then of course they just gonna ignore the feedback
@mrmeerkat6055
@mrmeerkat6055 3 месяца назад
We are a dollar sign to these companies they don’t care about us.
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 3 месяца назад
@@supernieva2419 show a proof where a million followers lost is a "insignificant minority"?
@arocomisgamusclademork1603
@arocomisgamusclademork1603 3 месяца назад
​@@reianvinceclaros6175especially customer support don't listen what players problem
@SeravySensei
@SeravySensei 3 месяца назад
This reminds me of what happened to our local Ragnarok Online server. The owner eventually opened a second server. The player base split, then both servers died in 3 months because those who quit their preferred server don't go to the other one, they go play somewhere else.
@mr.edelweiss
@mr.edelweiss 3 месяца назад
Man... It might happen to Genhsin though... (Im just praying it would, hehe~~)
@KoenSkySea
@KoenSkySea 3 месяца назад
I. FUCKING KNEW IT I KNEW ITTTT Edit: they hate money as also evidenced by the fact that mountain carver and moon shaper look like **T H A T.**
@sirinsomniac3859
@sirinsomniac3859 3 месяца назад
fr like why are they so UGLY hoyo?
@danielhisham7110
@danielhisham7110 3 месяца назад
my bros got cursed into an NPC, I at least before the quest was hoping that moon carver will look like a peak male performance type of dude just like thor in GOW (y'know cuz he's like deer on roids) and Mountain shaper look like wise adult man but holy damn am I disappointed to look at them now TvT
@venth85
@venth85 3 месяца назад
because Mihoyo probably dont want reveal if they're going to be "playable" yet, if Mihoyo decided to, they might get actual "handsome" form lol~ That's what adeptus do~ they can use many forms or their preferable forms.
@shonenhikada9254
@shonenhikada9254 3 месяца назад
the company is lazy and get billions from people for doing bare minimum. Just look at their NPC: same facial expression for 3 years, same face variation, same animation.
@syarifht5929
@syarifht5929 3 месяца назад
madame ping is playable, they scrap the idea and release xianyun instead. its not the matter of money its the matter of when will their lore get revealed. this lore dependent game be making me nuts too sometime
@karymdok
@karymdok 3 месяца назад
Great video also the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) of china released an announcement that genshin has one of the lowest complaint handling rate, only four companies out of 175 did not meet the criteria and of course mihoyo is one of them lmao . And MIIT has urged the relevant companies to properly address the issues raised by users so maybe they will do something about it even chinese government is not happy with them
@TrashDick
@TrashDick 3 месяца назад
THIS, video was already spot on and needs to be the real voice to reach the community. But tying in that point- in a reconfigured way to include it would/should/could open some real eyes, even if it means just a re-upload with that. You mentioned how people click based on # of views for videos (at least new players), I have and always will; in every niche I explore and view content- always go by upload date, so I don't think it would hurt. Proves a lot of your points too. 🤷‍♀
@janosoroshazi23
@janosoroshazi23 3 месяца назад
not one of the lowest but THE lowest out of the four companies you mentioned
@whyr1s
@whyr1s 3 месяца назад
As someone who does whale in other gatcha games and quit genshin a couple of months ago, ive been talking for YEARS on how ass genshin genuinely is in terms of consumer relationships and actually respecting people's time. Despite what genshin content creators want you to think, there *is* no meta. Because as you said, all characters are playable at c0. A couple of other points I want to make. HSR is far less successful for a couple of reason, but the main reason why the quality of life is better in HSR is because HSR actually competes with other gatcha games. Dont let the "open world" fool you, its just a very dolled up menuing gatcha game where the end game is just big numbers brrrr. Alot of reasons why people are saying they're protesting genshin yet are being genuinely ineffective at making their voices known is because realistically, the only way to get hoyoverse to listen is to quit and uninstall the game. But people genuinely do not want to quit the game for many many reasons. Hoyoverse knows that if they got away with it the first time, they'd doing again and again just like what they did during the 1st anniversary. Even the CN players protesting wouldnt really change anything because at the end of the day, they'll quietly crawl back into the game and start playing again. For my last point, i think genshin content creators are kinda the biggest reasons why they still manage to make money despite the general outrage. I know people gotta make their money and all but fundamentally, theyre also part of the reason why hoyo never have to change anything. Even if they stopped whaling they rely on hoyo viewers to make their rent because if they play a non genshin game (hoyo games are too generous), they will lose the viewers and the revenue they once had. I dunno, i think thats just my added thoughts. This is a really good fuckin vid.
@hoshi4038
@hoshi4038 3 месяца назад
I agree, Genshin is one of those games where skill and proper team planning takes you further than constellations, but in HSR I got to disagree since the enemies often ask for shield breaks with a specific element and the content is extremely hard if you don't have certain characters
@whyr1s
@whyr1s 3 месяца назад
@hoshi4038 I guess to go more into detail regarding HSR, its more like gatcha games similar to FGO. Fundamentally, even with HSR's break mechanic, you're still basically trying to get the highest damage in order to clear its version of abyss in minimum turns. Fundementally its not a game change to the extent that genshin was and can easily be dropped to other gatcha games that more or less does the same thing by either bringing a better endgame, gameplay, or other differing incentives.
@ogcipher4967
@ogcipher4967 3 месяца назад
​@@whyr1sI'm not trying to fanboy or play def for HSR but unironically I'm curious where these games who do things better are hiding, cause fk me except for Arknights which is peak, I can't think of any.
@whyr1s
@whyr1s 3 месяца назад
@ogcipher4967 I mean that just comes down to preference, really. Haven't played arknights personally but if that works for you then its fine. The best example I could give would be something like FGO. Both are menuing games but rather than starrail that mainly locks its endgame meta to 3 game modes (quote me if im wrong i haven't played since kafka came out), fgo has its "endgame" through the whole way through. Sure, you're basically fucked if you dont have the proper buffing servants, but once you do, you can basically use any character you like and flex as hard as you want. This is also with better writing/story content than hsr.
@theorize999
@theorize999 3 месяца назад
I quit HSR when after only 8 banners I couldn’t get a new 4star character to save my life. I wanted that quantum healer bad, but what got me is it was only 8 banners. it took me like a year and a half in genshin, so maybe I’ll pull again in a year. every now and then i go on and spend a little energy I still want to build my Welt but i won’t pull for a long time maybe ever
@youraverageviewer9546
@youraverageviewer9546 3 месяца назад
I love the game, and seeing the unfiltered state of things breaks my heart... I truly hope the hoyo team can get themselves together and realize that loyalty is EARNED by treating your players well to begin with. I'm usually a welkin/BP dolphin, but I won't be purchasing either of these until I see some change :( Don't self-destroy, hoyo... What happened to Tech Otakus Save The World???
@motokaichou2010
@motokaichou2010 3 месяца назад
Tech Otakus Save The World still exists, its on the Honkai Series. Y'all acting like Genshin is the only HoYo game
@pronoun171
@pronoun171 3 месяца назад
I’m just a guy, but the East Asian culture of supreme deference to seniority is probably a major contributor to Hoyo being tone deaf. I’m sure a lot of people know they need to change, but somewhere up the ladder there is an idiot who is saying no. And in Chinese/Japanese/Korean culture, you rather let the plane crash (seriously look up the Korean flight) then go over senior management. I feel that the cultural aspect might mean that Hoyo is already doomed
@yamidom9134
@yamidom9134 18 дней назад
😔was such a horrible sad thing ... Rip
@lesbian-gq6lz
@lesbian-gq6lz 3 месяца назад
I haven’t played Genshin in a while and I haven’t spent even a cent on Genshin, but I do think this is an important video for genshin players to see. So I’m leaving a comment here to boost engagement and have it boosted up the RU-vid algorithm so that others can see it lmaooooo
@lesbian-gq6lz
@lesbian-gq6lz 3 месяца назад
I have nothing else to add I just think this video is pretty neat
@angeloguerra5606
@angeloguerra5606 3 месяца назад
"every limited character BUT Dehya is complete at c0" fucking stings hard. They butchered her and i will never trust in them again
@yixo
@yixo 3 месяца назад
This statement is also absolutely untrue imo. They realized this and started making c1/2 lowkey required on some characters. Neuvillette at c1 lets you not get ragdolled. Wrio without c1 feels like absolute crap. Most newer 4stars have butchered kits till c6. Then you have char like Baizhu who has a 20s cd ult and a 10s cd skill and c1 adds another charge. 20=10+10 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, almost like it was intended that way. All characters (except Dehya) are playable at c0 but many are not complete imo. That doesn't invalidate the non whale point tho, whales would go for c6, dolphins would go for c1/2.
@MaryyamFatima
@MaryyamFatima 3 месяца назад
More CC need to se this video, honestly so fed up with them just doing business as usual.
@juno3287
@juno3287 3 месяца назад
Why is this man always speaking straights facts?! 🗣️🗣️🔥 Let’s hope they do something soon, I don’t want this game to die yet..
@KarelTheKaiser
@KarelTheKaiser 3 месяца назад
8:50 this has also been done with Cloud Retainer banner; Hoyo contacted small CCers and gave away 6'4k primo packS and asked them to pull on C.Ret for them AND their chats/streams. Including Nahida Re-run, no wander it's like the highest banner revenue ever lol, whoever wanted Nahi has her now, and she's carried over 40-50% the sales most likely by now.
@kiuhh1118
@kiuhh1118 3 месяца назад
You don't understand how sales are calculated or how publisher tax wrong. So, theres 2 possible scenarios: 1. They gifted these packs to creators via their own client, in which case they dont have to pay anybody 30% cut for transaction. However that would also mean that the revenue wouldn't be calculated on the chart everyone us referencing, as it specifically calculates only ios/android revenue. 2. They bought these packs themselves via appstore, and thats just stupid, because they would have to pay 30% of money to apple, which is just kinda stupid, and frankly they don't have a reason to do that
@KarelTheKaiser
@KarelTheKaiser 3 месяца назад
@@kiuhh1118 well, if they dont have to pay the 30% it's even better for them. The updated chart is better to look at currently since it went from 1 to like 4 or 5th
@xdragon2k
@xdragon2k 3 месяца назад
I think they may have overcompensating on the banner. It was so artificially high that they looked fake under the current circumstances.
@kiuhh1118
@kiuhh1118 3 месяца назад
@@KarelTheKaiser , they dont have to pay 30% tax because it is not purchased by them. If it is not purchased then it doesn't count as revenue in any trackings, how is this hard to understand?
@Nidavel
@Nidavel 3 месяца назад
The thing I dont understand is how they determined genshin players are not loyal. If the argument is they left genshin for honkai and didnt come back, then why they did all this bad stuff from the start 3 years ago. Theres no explanation to say the players werent loyal before HSR launch, and thats the cause to being treated like crap.
@Souldapop
@Souldapop 3 месяца назад
That's a really good point. I hadn't thought about that. There isn't really any reason to doubt their loyalty as consumers before then, afaict
@aidentrd2882
@aidentrd2882 3 месяца назад
That's because Mihoyo doesn't want loyal genshin players in the first place, we already kinda know they didn't think much about genshin's future when it released as they thought it wouldn't succeed that much, therefore they didn't take the extra mile to actually develop more than 3 years worth of assets before launch. If they wanted loyal players, they would atleast nail the 1st anniversary, they wouldn't have stripped important characters from the inazuma story until 2.5, they wouldn't have increased bloat dialogues from 3.0 onwards, they wouldn't have stopped doing the special events related to new exploration zones after 3.0, they wouldn't have made Dehya as a disappointing character right before HSR's release...etc (HSR related provocations such as the amount of QOL on release, events being lightheartly introduced as permanent endgame content and free Dr ratio also count). they actively seek to weaken the glue between genshin players and genshin to wedge in their more polished product as the dev team is insecure about their ability to maintain genshin properly on the long run. Their whole plan was to release HSR and ZZZ (with better content planning this time) earlier inside of genshin's life to garner as much global players as possible to them (genshin was still aimed to be a carrot for global audiences despite the gamble hoyo took), then they'd EOS genshin right after the story finishes (on the 6th year) and they release HI3 part 2. The fact that genshin is an openworld and that HSR is a turn based, and that HI3/ZZZ is a hack n slash doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, people swipe their cards because they want to their waifu/husbando's cons as well as copies of their weapons, not because they want a billion resin to actually enjoy the gameplay (and you already get cockblocked if you try to buy a lot of resin anyways). However something probably went wrong and they couldn't release HSR faster, maybe the genshin playerbase was too much attached to genshin on the first 2 years, maybe the goofy aah Unity engine genshin and HI3 were built on was too limiting....., who knows. TLDR : Genshin from the beginning was only meant to attract global players/non gacha players, Hoyo then wants them to spread out to their other games as they want to diversify their sources of income.
@Nidavel
@Nidavel 3 месяца назад
@@aidentrd2882 That makes a lot of sense, and obviusly they didnt expect a) People liked genshin so much to stick with it and b) HSR have almost no retention rate, a lot of people quit pretty fast.
@maxpwer8294
@maxpwer8294 3 месяца назад
Very nice video man! I've had "We need more Endgame Content" as my profile description for a year and a half. What I really don't like(both sides of the community do this) is some people just make up numbers to invalidate the other opinion(ex. "only 1% of genshin fans watch online content" or "the game is fine, looks at the banner sales". No one is referencing data, and if they are, they dismiss other factors that contradict their argument.(all the while defending a company from doing something that would just be a net positive) So it was pretty refreshing to actually see the numbers and context as to why they're like that.
@lucg4005
@lucg4005 3 месяца назад
Agreed. I think what hurts the most is their silence. They really just wanna ignore the playerbase so that we seem like the “minority” opinion that doesn’t reflect the actual majority. Like wow, that’s a great way to make us despise you, thanks for pretending we don’t exist, and actually make genshin defenders use this as a way to invalidate our complaints. I love being labeled as unimportant.
@sheppei.sangatsu
@sheppei.sangatsu 3 месяца назад
Just dropping in to point out for Arknights during the segment where you mention other gacha games need multiple copies to make the character usable: Arknights has never had that requirement. There is no meta in that game. And anyone is useful if you know how to make them work on a specific stage. As long as you get one copy of the unit, they're usable. Duplicates only give a slight advantage boost but no more than that. Mats can be gotten from permanent stages and game modes (some not even needing stamina usage), and you could theoretically promote them to max level in 2 weeks tops as F2P. Not to mention, Arknights is far more F2P friendly and easier to save for pulls for that one unit you want for whatever reason. Having problem clearing a stage? You can always borrow an operator from strangers and friends, and most would have that max built unit you may need.
@zeroiscubed7823
@zeroiscubed7823 3 месяца назад
Boost since I was going to comment similar. It's ultimately a minor nitpick to a great video, but it is silly to use Arknights as an example of high-whale-ceiling when the characters cap out at one dupe less than Genshin, those dupes only improve numbers rather than new abilities so they are almost never a break point, and there are no weapons/other gear to farm or roll for. The first pull is the only rng, after that it's all fair and equal power progression. And getting good 6*s isn't even the key to success, some units might be "more meta" but success is always about matching the challenges with strategy, so higher rarity units aren't always the best answer. Their power comes at an increased price that not every mission can afford to spend, while very basic abilities on widely-available 3/4* units can be more effective than their flashy 6* counterparts. There's a reason for the meme that you know a mission is serious when the strategy includes a 1* unit. The one thing AK does get criticism for when it comes to whale-bait is the Limited characters that can only be obtained again when they get rerun... the thing Genshin does almost exclusively. And even then the borrowing mechanic means you still have access to them.
@sheppei.sangatsu
@sheppei.sangatsu 3 месяца назад
@@zeroiscubed7823 Yep. And I agree it's just a nitpick, but I would like to set the record straight because it could make potentially interested new players shy away if it's painted as a whale-heavy game to progress. As for Limited banners, that's why people just save most of their pulls for them and people eventually come around to just waiting for the guaranteed shop rotation or getting spooked by the unit they want that isn't limited. It sucks, but the game has to compromise somewhere. Also compared to Genshin, we know those Limited get rerun every time the themed event comes around so there is a chance for spook, or a spark. The downside is often the year long wait between said themed events.
@qwp1026
@qwp1026 3 месяца назад
Arknights does have powercreep and meta operators. Mylnar, Texas Alter, Yato Alter, Ines, etc etc etc. They make content way more easier. But if the bottom line is to get all rewards and the ability to clear all content, then there sure isn't any point to chase meta much. F2p can really be enjoyable in that game. Similar to Genshin, the only PvP is in community. And both communities hate kektone for some ahem reason. We're all on the same page.
@Axterix13
@Axterix13 3 месяца назад
@@qwp1026 It doesn't have much in the way of powercreep, not really. You look at most guides and a good chunk of the characters used are old ones. Saria, Eyja, Exu, Blaze, Ifriit and so on remain staples. Sure, some new characters have joined them, like Thorns and Mountain see a lot of play, but for most, it is usually due to being able to do something different, rather than straight up better numbers, meaning they are more niche, map specific, rather than general use. And due to that, most of them are situational. You don't really use Mylnar that much. Regular Texas and regular Yato see more use than their alters. Ines only for certain "see cloaked unit" situations. And while sometimes a unit like Mylnar can be very advantageous for a certain stage, Arknights lets you borrow one unit from someone else. So you don't even need to have that newer, more niche unit. Which means it has about as much power creep as Genshin, as many meta units as Genshin... and the ability to borrow one you need but don't have. Overall, friendlier to newer players. The one thing that does hinder Arknights a little bit is that they keep upping what "max level" means. You've got E2, then mastery for the skills, now modules on top of that. And all of that means it takes more time to reach the lofty heights. But that isn't pull dependent, and the stuff is still being cleared with mostly 3 and 4 star characters, with one borrowed 6 star. Though we are getting to a point now where enemies are getting tough enough that, shortly, the clears in the more new player guides might require two six stars, which will put them out of reach of the "borrow one character" aspect.
@zeroiscubed7823
@zeroiscubed7823 3 месяца назад
@@qwp1026 yep yep. I don't deny that some units are strong and have pushed the overall power level of the game up, but that creep has helped give everyone more tools and fun, rather than existing to drain the whales' wallets. And the meta has evolved without completely trashing the old. I still use Saria far more than Mudrock, I could go on for days about finding good uses for weird 5*s that get no meta attention, and even poor Silverash sometimes gets his day over Mlynar due to his revealing invisible enemies passive or if Mlynar's extra taunt ends up as a negative.
@peterreist5489
@peterreist5489 3 месяца назад
Commenting to push the algorhythm. As players all we want to do is be heard. Which, in some perverse way we are, yet all that feedback seems to be going to Star Rail.
@Nudderbols
@Nudderbols 3 месяца назад
This is what silent panic sounds like, ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away
@Crystal323100
@Crystal323100 3 месяца назад
Or what feeling nothing will change no matter what they do, so they silently give up.
@47itachi
@47itachi 3 месяца назад
waiting for bald man to react on this
@christiangonzalez6945
@christiangonzalez6945 3 месяца назад
Lol
@lynxace1602
@lynxace1602 3 месяца назад
Tectone or Asmongold? nvm, it's probably both
@TrashMPred
@TrashMPred 3 месяца назад
It's probably going to be Asmond reacting to Tecton, reacting to this xD
@lynxace1602
@lynxace1602 3 месяца назад
@@TrashMPred awesome! I can't wait for Asmon's reaction to M Tash's commentary on Tectone's input regarding Asmon's discourse of Tectone reacting to the Genshin whale video
@Reilath
@Reilath 3 месяца назад
Its truly ironic how the people that love Genshin the most are the people that will destroy it in the end. Excessive positivity about anything is as toxic as it gets, i myself learned that the hard way. And i find it annoying and sad at the same time seeing a game with such potential getting ruined by extremely positive people. Criticism and acknowledging those same criticisms is what enables everyone to grow, so why be stupid and block the growth of a game with so much potential??
@quackbrold2483
@quackbrold2483 3 месяца назад
This pretty much happens all the time with overly large casual fanbase from franchise like pokemon and overwatch, but yeah I had been there and I'm so tired of it. I for one don't care about the 3 wishes because I have hoarded a ton of primo with no where to use because I already full clear every spiral abyss at ease since raiden banner. If you go into r/overwatch, you would often see people gatekeeping the suggestion of wanting harder combat content, "if I can't or don't like playing it, then everyone shouldn't" it's hilarious.
@Reilath
@Reilath 3 месяца назад
Overwatch was actually great when it first released, but ofc because blizzard deteriorated over time, so did overwatch, they are literally unrecognizable these days. As for the 3 wishes, i also don't care about that that much, i just want more QoL changes and more stuff to do weekly/daily.
@nwoDekaTsyawlA
@nwoDekaTsyawlA 3 месяца назад
I hope more people see this video. The points are clear and even though you keep a clear head and use reasoned argument, one can feel your frustration. I'm just a dolphin that spends on welkin, and I have stopped paying. I am satisfied with my roster and I don't need to pay to play and consume the in-game content. Which is great content made by passionate developers, so it's a shame that their marketing/community team is that clueless in comparison. It's not hard to realize that the profit of millions paying for welkin dwarf the profits of hundreds of whales. The biggest indicator is profits from re-runs, as you eloquently pointed out. While the rest of data may turn out to be inaccurate, this particular one is very clear. There's also a good chance that they did bootstrapping, in that case Hoyo is already in danger. Hopefully the message reaches the people responsible and action is taken within the company to realize that we don't depend on them, they depend on us.
@legotoilet-paper
@legotoilet-paper 3 месяца назад
Can I ask what bootstrapping is?
@nwoDekaTsyawlA
@nwoDekaTsyawlA 3 месяца назад
@@legotoilet-paper The relevant process is explained in the video, but I believe the term is not correct here. I believe that what Hoyo has presumably done is labeled "buyback", not "bootstrapping". In short, they are using their capital to buy their own product (or shares), in this case primogems, in order to boost the apparent sales. This way, they can show external investors that Hoyo is "doing fine" to avoid having them leave due to risk of loss of return of investment.
@LARDSS-rp8cd
@LARDSS-rp8cd 3 месяца назад
@@nwoDekaTsyawlA Does Hoyo has external investors? I guess that Sony counts considering they have kinda of a partnership, but outside of them I don't think they have any.
@kiuhh1118
@kiuhh1118 3 месяца назад
​@@nwoDekaTsyawlA, mhy is a private company, they dont have investors besides only one that sits at 15% of company which is not important. So your theory doesn't even make sense, especially if you consider that they would have to pay 30% fee for each purchase they so to boost their ratings, which is again nonsensical, because they dont have to proor anything to anybody.
@nwoDekaTsyawlA
@nwoDekaTsyawlA 3 месяца назад
@@kiuhh1118 please understand that this is not my theory, I am reiterating what's in the video. I am not fully convinced they did the buyback, I am explaining what buyback means.
@someguy1315
@someguy1315 3 месяца назад
I was checking if people followed your ideal user name thing on Boycotting. So far I don't find anyone go by that name to Boycotting. It like most user on online just doing their
@Souldapop
@Souldapop 3 месяца назад
Most people probably won't think to do it until they see someone else do it and find out why.
@walnutsss
@walnutsss 3 месяца назад
My genshin bio is “HoyoSTINGYverse” for a while now 🤡
@lucg4005
@lucg4005 3 месяца назад
I mean this video only has a few thousand views. What we can do is recommend this to other content creators to spread the word.
@shiroeikami8467
@shiroeikami8467 3 месяца назад
Sorry, I've uninstalled before changing name. But I don't think I need to as offline user won't be shown in co-op.
@sayantak5426
@sayantak5426 3 месяца назад
the chart revenue was fake .. who would have thought. i have joined the cause as well by changing name and bio like u said. good video. hope techy sees it
@Be727z
@Be727z 3 месяца назад
commenting to boost - this game is so unfair. Out of every gacha game I've ever played - Genshin has the worst drop rates. Pulls are so scarce, that you have to cling on to a third of a wish every day just to save for your favorite character - and when you save up 90 of those stupid wishes, it's still a 50% chance to even get your character. You lost the 50/50 and can't have the character you're saving for since months ago? Well, you have like 3 more weeks so better chalk those wishes up from somewhere...
@nottyseel949
@nottyseel949 3 месяца назад
The title might be misleading. The video shows that whales do not carry Genshin because NO ONE is carrying Genshin, not that some other part of the community is carrying it. The charts are great, but should show vs popularity and I think the point is made clearer. As Genshin has gotten increasingly popular, which it has throughout it's existence, it has decreased in profitability. Popularity means the game is good. The lack of profitability means the game is monetized wrong and explains the lack of generosity and increased investment. I think the sentiments are right, but the expectations have to take the whole story and what it means to the business in to account in order to get the business to move. I have no interest in Genshin or Hoyoverse anymore, but for those looking for change, you have to nail down the problem. VIP treatment means how you treat your "golden goose," if you're not receiving it, you're not the goose. It's important to find out exactly why that is (why do more people play but less people spend, meaning the players are by definition "not very valuable" to the company).
@Axterix13
@Axterix13 3 месяца назад
Whales definitely do carry it, but worth noting that whales includes more than the giga-whales. It costs $100 for 50 pulls. 100 pulls won't guarantee you a featured five star. So basically any player that has a decent amount of five star weapons from the weapon banner? They're a whale. They're spending hundreds of dollars on this game, every year. Sure, the spending might be a lot less than someone who c6R5s every character, but even c1-c2 + r1 weapon for a third of the characters puts you pretty solidly in whale territory. This is why Genshin likes to have OP C6s, for the giga-whales, and highly desirable C1/C2s, to entice other players to be these smaller whales, the ones that will still spend quite a bit, just not too much in one sitting, and not for every character. But over the course of a year... it adds up.
@nottyseel949
@nottyseel949 3 месяца назад
@@Axterix13 Absolutely. "Dolphins" is what they're usually called I think. Whatever they're called, when you parse out that group from 65 million active players each month in 2023 and averaging $30 million per month in revenue, you end up at a really small percentage of people spending at all. For example, it seems a reasonable assumption that no one spends $1 on gems. They would wait five months and buy the $5 pass for an astoundingly better deal. So, assuming that everyone spending each month buys the $5 pass maximum. That would mean 6 million people on average spending per month, which means that an average of 59 million active players are completely F2P (if there were no whales or dolphins, because we know that's not true, that means there are even more F2P than the average). Ultimately, I think the game is monetized wrong for the audience it interests the most.
@KokomiClan
@KokomiClan 3 месяца назад
Brilliant vid! Great job, I am gonna react to this on my channel and add some commentary.
@Perikas
@Perikas 3 месяца назад
Well then, call me F2PUntilChange now. Glad I have QiQi's namecard for the complete protester set.
@shadowboi8620
@shadowboi8620 3 месяца назад
Commenting so this reaches more people. This is a great video, keep it up, and I'd love to see more content from you!.
@dankhorizon
@dankhorizon 3 месяца назад
The point about whales not pulling in reruns makes so much sense I'm surprised I didn't think about it. Great vid. Cooking fr.
@Lzypnkk
@Lzypnkk 3 месяца назад
great point hope this blows up
@sagaevan9641
@sagaevan9641 3 месяца назад
frankly i have zero expectation that they will ever change anything for the better, what we've been begging for. i've been playing this game since launch and i used to do their little player surveys, each one. i cant remember the last time i did, now. but also at this point, i've sunk in too much time and money to stop now, and i like the game itself anyways, so i won't be stopping anytime soon. for real though, what is going on with the dev team that they hear "we want artifact loadouts!" and their answer is a slightly more complex sorting system. we ask for more endgame and they say "we'll think about it" as they flash the goddamn mushroom pokemon event. they are so out of touch. is it intentional? is it some business/marketing 3D chess??
@Olytis
@Olytis 3 месяца назад
Do you know anyone that follows the Chinese Genshin scene? Because if you do, you will know why they are so reluctant to add end game content.
@sagaevan9641
@sagaevan9641 3 месяца назад
@@Olytis i dont know
@aapee565
@aapee565 3 месяца назад
It has been very funny to see people claim that Genshin is doing great money wise, because Cloud Retainer is selling well, when the last record breaker was Furina, whose total sales ended up being extremely middling. The truth is that Genshin doesn't have many new players, and the old players know whether they are going to pull on day 1 on not, because they are experienced enough. Therefore, a larger portion of banner sales happen day 1 and records break, but the banners do little to nothing for the rest of the duration.
@Romashka_Sov
@Romashka_Sov 3 месяца назад
This train went long time ago, you are late Btw, if you make a character on TW server, you can notice that you can change your signature only 5 times per month. They did it because of Hong Kong protests back in 2021 and that's how you can say they are not threatening people like you seriously
@JyGproductions
@JyGproductions 3 месяца назад
Why are people obsessed with this? Yall need some ptsd therapy. Also mans said that Dehya is a limited 5 star. Bruh, she is standard banner.
@PrincessOfDumbasses
@PrincessOfDumbasses 3 месяца назад
No $ if no change on both games
@Quetzalcoatl-oo6ic
@Quetzalcoatl-oo6ic 3 месяца назад
Sir you have convinced me. I wasn't spending large sums anyway but at least I will stop getting the moon thingy. I will continue to play the game since I found it genuinely entertaining as hard as that is to believe but yeah it's not worth paying for it.
@jessiellanes3004
@jessiellanes3004 3 месяца назад
Huh instead of making another game to increase the sales and player they end up lost both the support of the community from hsr and genshin and when ZZZ release , hoyo will triple the risk and slowly to their downfall
@MrGamelover23
@MrGamelover23 3 месяца назад
I guess this video confirms what Jim Sterling has been telling us for the last few years. The live service bubble is bursting and having everything be a live service is a terrible business model. I wondered how hoyoverse was able to maintain growth while every single product they made was a live service and it turns out the answer is they can't.
@yamidom9134
@yamidom9134 18 дней назад
😮 I didn't know it was this bad or that their greed is so insane. It makes no sense. I hope things change for the better. They have such great things. I hope they don't spoil it
@thepeanutter9972
@thepeanutter9972 3 месяца назад
I don't see the point in protesting by being afk in game. I think just quitting the game would be a lot more noticeable for the devs, they base things off numbers after all. Vote with wallet and time. Regardless, this was a great video.
@diahprasetianingtyas6822
@diahprasetianingtyas6822 3 месяца назад
Thank you for informing of Bootstrapping. Ppl just believed the data like nothing was wrong with it. I've gone f2p (was a dolphin before) and dropped a 1 star review with all the concerns of end game, customer service and endgame content. I've stopped spending for HSR as well.
@Etherwinter
@Etherwinter 3 месяца назад
I think I'm giving up Genshin. The final straw for me was seeing someone 100% Chenyu vale but only got primogems that amounted up to like 27 wishes. I loaded up the game, walked around for a bit and just went "meh" and uninstalled. I think it's time to stop caring about a game from a company that genuinely doesn't care about the people who play it. I'm not going to lie, it is beautiful and fun to explore. The music is fantastic. But I've always found the gameplay not very good and the only way to keep it fresh was to get new characters with interesting kits. I also agree that if you're a CC and you want Hoyo to change, you also need to make a change. Stop advertising the game lol. Like I've seen a couple of them make videos like this, talking about the controversy and whatnot, and how they agree... but then their next uploaded are shorts or videos hyping up the game's content. And then the infighting between CCs has taken the spotlight off Hoyo and on the CCs themselves. So now Hoyo just gets to sweep it under the rug. I'm just going to wait patiently for Wuthering Waves.
@fiaschampion3379
@fiaschampion3379 3 месяца назад
Same happened to me. I had some fun with the nahida I got for my nilou, killed some enemies, realized I had to do aaall the farming for nahida and uninstalled. Its just not worth it.
@Goujiki
@Goujiki 3 месяца назад
I'm not saying you're wrong for hating a game, but you can boil down any video game to "press buttons and do said task." I personally never understood people's praise for Dark Souls games when it's literally just i-frame dodge rolls: the game. 🤷
@kittendragon6720
@kittendragon6720 3 месяца назад
I uhm… already completed chenyu vale and can confirm it was only 20+ wishes I still managed to get xianyun but that was lucky. also chenyu vale is what we basically exspect from Genshin at this point so really mid…
@Etherwinter
@Etherwinter 3 месяца назад
@@Goujiki I never said what I disliked about the gameplay. It's not just "pressing buttons to do task", so I will explain because I feel I have legitimate annoyances with the way Genshin does its characters kits and combat. I don't like stuff like skills that make exploration easier being tied to specific character kits. Like double-jumping, flying, the ability to enter a faster sprint etc. I feel like all characters should have access to at least double jumping. Traversal is kinda boring unless you have certain characters. Specific characters' kits are extremely cool in a vacuum. You'll see a lot of awesome normal attack animations or even really cool skills or bursts. But once most characters join a team, they become a one/two-trick pony, where they're relegated to entering the field for a couple seconds to use their skills and/or bursts before swapping out. There are only a few characters which you use their entire kits to their fullest (they're usually the ones that remain on field to drive reactions). Speaking of reactions, I don't find the system all that engaging. Most of them are combining two (or three in the case of some Dendro reactions) elements to get bigger numbers. Some of the ones that have extra effects aren't as valuable unless you have specific characters (like Superconduct, Overload, Crystallize), but having those specific characters don't make those reactions as a whole better. It's a bandaid to a much larger problem we've been waiting years for fixes.
@peted2783
@peted2783 3 месяца назад
that's literally me, Chenyu Vale at 100% exploration, from which I got a grand total of: 23 pulls
@Blackoutdmc
@Blackoutdmc 3 месяца назад
This video is a banger. Good job, using numbers backed by reasonable data that can be verified by others. Saying what *needs* to be said without worrying about who's feelings youre going to hurt, and putting out helpful, legitamate advice and suggestions on how to inprove the game. I will say this though, regarding HSR, I do want to say that the data for December and January is probably slight spenders (like myself) saving for upcoming, highly anticipated Penacony characters like Black Swan, Sparkle, and Sam. I have no doubt that those sales will see a dramitc increase again. Regardless, I just want hoyoverse to care about Genshin as much as the players do. It SUCKS seeing all this drama, which could have been avoided by Hoyoverse just having some decency, and paying some respect to its fans and content creators. I considered myself loyal until just last patch. No more Welkins, no more login's, no more BS. Not until they start doing better.
@VampyreNox
@VampyreNox 3 месяца назад
Thank you for making this video!
@OneRadicalDreamer
@OneRadicalDreamer 3 месяца назад
I'm down. F2P UNTIL CHANGE
@predatorterroru
@predatorterroru 3 месяца назад
The idea with locking plot/content behind paywall is stupid for free game imo, i havent seen gacha where you have to pay main content.
@Souldapop
@Souldapop 3 месяца назад
The idea isn't to lock it behind a paywall. It's to be able to skip directly to it with purchase. I also want them to remove content locks. This has been a problem since Inazuma. Players jump in, find out they can't build certain characters because Inazuma is inaccessible, and ditch.
@nightblade-6664
@nightblade-6664 3 месяца назад
thank you for this it's been on my mind to say but no one could have said it better
@wutherer
@wutherer 3 месяца назад
What a great take! Quit the game few weeks ago, and as a spectator still feel a bit sad in the current state of this game.
@GuardianKnight0
@GuardianKnight0 3 месяца назад
You make some interesting and valid points. However the 2 most effective ways to protest the direction Genshin is going is 1) Stop spending money 2) Stop playing the game. Continuing to play the game gives them player retention they can sell to private investors. They've already eaten the overhead of having a server infrastructure so robust it can support millions of players simultaneously.
@AloyImpact
@AloyImpact 3 месяца назад
Said the same thing but I was told I was being mean because people need to make money from genshin. -_- Great video btw brother.
@ExplosiveCrimson.
@ExplosiveCrimson. 3 месяца назад
The part where you said "can you really believe xianyun is setting record values?" Xianyun is that plunge support that every Xiao main dreamed of and the fact she makes every other character jump like xiao added to the excitement.. Also nahida is a must have for dendro teams so so it's no wonder their banners succeeded. I'm not saying that your claims for the false revenue Is wrong or anything. But I just think that this particular banner actually succeeded somewhat naturally.
@MG-ur7jh
@MG-ur7jh 3 месяца назад
Best video on this since it all started .Thank you
@robertoalexandermendezmore408
@robertoalexandermendezmore408 3 месяца назад
algoritm boost comment here
@frostice961
@frostice961 3 месяца назад
Hopefully kuro games won't be like this on wuwa. I really love them. Pgr started where i can even count the vertices of the weapons with plain ass looking play areas. The only thing that carried me to play it is the feeling when you play it. And every 6 months when you look back, they are always improving by leaps and bounds. There was even an issue where they are not promoting their game so small pgr CCs spawned just to promote the game. Now we're seeing all the top ups contributed as the game looks cooler and cooler. If all gachas are evil then this is the evil i'm comfy with.
@gaston1199
@gaston1199 3 месяца назад
Wow you became my favorite genshin creator just like that! Suddenly and without warning! I only still play genshin because i'm invested in Kaeyas storyline. But my patience is running so thin. The only game that disrespected me more than genshin is Overwatch and that is not a low bar to reach. You need to be an actually talented moron to hate your current playerbase like that. I like the idea of genshin a lot but the execution is such a let down. Waiting for Wuthering Waves to pick up the slack.
@Be727z
@Be727z 3 месяца назад
Same here. I play solely for the Traveler lore, Aether and Lumina's story need to be expanded on.. It's like this game pumps out attractive and likable characters just to sell them to you and forget about them entirely next patch. So stupid - I can't begin to imagine what it's like being interested in a 4* character's story like that.. At least I get to look at the Traveler for every quest.
@gaston1199
@gaston1199 3 месяца назад
The tragedy of Kayea is that he is a STANDARD 4* character which means hoyo can't sell him on banners which means he will never be truly relevant. Doomed main
@ardee9337
@ardee9337 3 месяца назад
You know doing a protest by going in the game doing what you're doing is really pointless tbh. It's basically just a war of attrition that players won't ever win lmao. You can try playing as an f2p for as long as you can but as long as you calm down, realize what you're doing is pointless and a new character that you really like is out you'd eventually spend again in a heart beat. The only real way to do it is to quit Genshin completely and just come back when there's news that they have changed(if you still want to), which I am sure anyone who's hooked to Genshin like it's the best game ever can never do.
@smashmonkey6304
@smashmonkey6304 3 месяца назад
I think people forget how big Inazuma was. Booba sword did a lot for the game. I feel like the direction of the game changed for the worse come 3.0. I agree they need a leadership change but the current leadership doesn’t know what they are doing. I’m curious what February’s Sensor Tower looks like though.
@lorraineviruet8973
@lorraineviruet8973 3 месяца назад
I always try to explain to friends and family how monumentally crazy the revenue for raiden has been over and over and over again. It’s insane.
@robertoalexandermendezmore408
@robertoalexandermendezmore408 3 месяца назад
only 2.0, from 2.1 onward was calamitous, was tye first aniversary, the story star fine in 2.0 but 2.1 continuation of the history suck, a lot of drama about characters power level where Riden, Kokomi, Ayato and Yae get really bad first impresión, if anything, who save 2.X patch was Enkanomiya, Sima and Yelan
@lorraineviruet8973
@lorraineviruet8973 3 месяца назад
@@robertoalexandermendezmore408 I agree but if you go look at the revenue charts for raiden if I’m not mistaken she’s made more money for hoyo than any other character ever. Don’t quote me on this. I’m referring to total revenue across all of her banners.
@robertoalexandermendezmore408
@robertoalexandermendezmore408 3 месяца назад
@@lorraineviruet8973 o yeah, that true, in anycase Genshin doesnt give refound for characters, many whales want riden refounds becose Riden C6 have a error in the description that also lead a confusion between her synergy with Beidou... the error was fixed 6h later
@AmoritaStorre
@AmoritaStorre 3 месяца назад
15:44 Genuine question. Didn't HoYo try (many times but must notably in 3.7 Abyss) to increase the difficulty of the game's challenges? I vividly remember finishing it and thinking, well that was definitely more difficult than usual, wonder how happy the players and CCs who keep asking for difficulty are. Guess what, they weren't. There were so many baby tears. Videos about how it was horrible. LOTS of people complaining in the comments. So, the question: what makes Genshin players think that they will enjoy more difficult content?.. From what I see they are kinda trapped in their 'best investment' characters, not ready to improvise, and mad whenever faced with a challenge their Raiden (or whoever) can't solve for them. I used to think, I don't get this thirst for difficulty, but at least I can respect the warrior spirit of those asking for it. After 3.7, I'm frankly just giggling whenever difficulty is brought up.
@Souldapop
@Souldapop 3 месяца назад
Tbh, most people that whine about Genshin's lack of end-game don't even touch abyss. I've brought it up in other videos, but when people say, "There's no end-game," they generally mean they aren't satisfied with the end-game and want something different. Despite the fact so many people with that sentiment formed it based on other's opinions without participating in it themselves, the sentiment itself is fair. There should be more to do. The latter half of 3.x actually had some pretty fleshed out and challenging combat events that went overlooked because HSR was the new shiny thing. A few, I think, would actually work really well as permanent end-game modes. If nothing crazy happens, that will probably be my next video
@zeroiscubed7823
@zeroiscubed7823 3 месяца назад
@@Souldapop I find that most people asking for "difficult" actually are looking for "satisfying". Generally, overcoming something difficult is more satisfying and requires more engagement and knowledge, so it makes sense to make that jump, but it doesn't really work for Genshin. Harder enemies can't change that your combat engagement is mostly limited to basic dodge and following instructions for boss mechanics. Learning a new team and a new rotation is the fun engaging part, not using that rotation 4 times instead of 1 because the enemies are difficult. So the simple answer seems to be more new characters for more new teams, but that runs into issues with other systems. A cornerstone of the game's design is how unique every character is in lore and design, and in the harsh primo and resin economies balancing this lower quantity. Just shoving in more gameplay ideas faster would require reworking everything (which could make a better game, but the point is that it's so much more complicated than just "improve endgame"). The biggest problem with abyss and endgame in general isn't the difficulty, it's that most players don't even have the resources to experiment with teams, the fun and engaging part, and rely on guides to have that fun for them.
@Axterix13
@Axterix13 3 месяца назад
Those Abysses weren't too bad, overall, other than the one with the bishop. That one wasn't even really hard, but more annoying, due to being a bit too element specific. And "annoying" is generally what people complain about in the Abyss. Like consecrated beasts? They're not hard if your characters can take a hit. Wenut isn't hard if you don't rely on a team that requires a bunch of setup before it can deal damage. And that just leaves the damage checks. Those are ones that care a bit more about how developed your account is (though skilled play can help there, of course). But the thing is, end game doesn't have to be that kind of difficult/annoying. Arknights has its rogue-like mode. One thing about it is that it gets harder as you go along, but regardless of how far you get, you make progress on the reward track. So a weaker player can do more, but shorter runs, and still get the rewards. And the reward tracks don't expire either, so no FOMO. Just do it when you want. And they tack on more each month, so more to do over time. The problem with Genshin is that the devs made a choice to cater the game to the Chinese 9/9/6 crowd. Just a little something for them to do to unwind (so not too hard) and/or occupy them on the train ride home. So they want very low required playtime per day, and consequently, low incentive to play much longer than that. And due to that, there's nothing to do once you are past that point. Nothing that feels rewarding on that day you have more time. And it also doesn't help that the world caps at WL8, which means most enemies on the open world are absolutely trivial to a mature account.
@AmoritaStorre
@AmoritaStorre 3 месяца назад
@Axterix13 okay, two questions about that, if you don't mind. One: don't people complain that the devs 'pad' Genshin with 'unnecessary' content already? Say they implemented longer fights tomorrow. Wouldn't the players say HoYo makes them jump through hoops to get 5 primos? Because I assume the rewards wouldn't be sky-high. They might not even include primos. Would you still fight? Two: on a related note, didn't they try to implement that (kind of) in Inazuma with Labyrinth warriors where we had that long dungeon? Did you personally enjoy that? For me, it felt like a daily commission that won't end, and I can't say it was satisfying.
@zeroiscubed7823
@zeroiscubed7823 3 месяца назад
@@AmoritaStorre what I commented above applies to a lot of this too: people complaining about not enough difficulty/too much padding tend to be actually having a bad time because the combat isn't satisfying enough at any length. If combat got twice as long without changing much else, I would absolutely complain. But if they put in a weekly that takes 30 minutes to do because it has all the complexity and quality of a good Monster Hunter fight or an FF14 raid, I'd love it regardless of rewards. But like Axterix said, it is super unlikely to happen, because despite how wide of an audience feel in love with Genshin, their target has always been the casuals, the dead-tired train ride home after a brutal work day, the candy crush moms, not the people who would actually benefit from more depth and satisfaction to the combat. That's also my personal theory for why Star Rail and ZZZ even exist. Star Rail for the people begging for for satisfying classic gacha experience, ZZZ for the people begging for more meaningful action combat. Start from scratch to satisfy Genshin's found audience, rather than change Genshin away from its intended audience.
@windeen
@windeen 3 месяца назад
You won't loose me as a viewer.... You'd have to do something WAAAY worse than spit out common sense and truth! I've been saying since they all started to mention "not spending" as a boycot that isn't going to do crap if people are still talking about it and playing and making guides. But anytime I mentioned it, it was buried and covered up. People were saying I'm not buying the battle pass but I am buying Ganyu and/or Shenhe's skins.... The battle pass is less expensive and they will count the skin sales on the banner. The skins will still be there later (as long as the game is), just a few hundred crystals more. It makes no frigging sense! I run Genshin (HI3rd & HSR) on my phone. Anyone who does CAN'T do the sort of sit in your suggesting. None of my other devices can. Though posting that signature you suggested could be doable.
@somsokca7836
@somsokca7836 3 месяца назад
16:48 possible. 16:56 LOL 17:09 May as well saying closed down mihoyo, disband hoyover. There are bunch of china game companies fight for player money, none of them made player buy core story content. The Genshin story is MC going through regions to find a way to met their sibling, the access to every region is the core content of the game. Buy content, DLC can work for non core story, extension stories, but not core story. If Mihoyo put money on core story, players may as well "What? buy to continuous main story? How about forget about it? Lets play other game from other company that isn't this greedy." So what is the solution if you don't accept how the game is being operate? Stop playing. Go plays other game. Or Plays but does not buy anything. But guess what? People would still play the game and still buy thing as how it is, only when the operation cost get to the point the income money can't keep the game running, the game would be shutdown. With Genshin the problem is not game design (story, character, location), the problem is operation management. If it is game design, the dev can change (develop the story, make character expose more skin...), but when it is operation management, it can only goes with 2 options, players accept it, keep the game going or the game EOS. So get ready to kill genshin (stop playing or stop buy things) or still play and still buy things as it is.
@Goremize
@Goremize 3 месяца назад
I just started a new game of Genshin after I had quit when I played since launch around the time the ice mountain came out (a bit later) cause I Was getting bored. I had many c6 ect and even a C1 Childe, however I was still able to beat the entire game with my C0 Razor, you don't need constellations and too many people focus on them. I just pulled a Diluc and already know that he will carry me through the entire game if I so choose. There is so many free four stars given that you really don't need to worry about what you pull. if you don't focus so hard on "meta" you can still easily beat the game. You don't need to spend a cent. The battlepass is the same after 2 years of not playing this game. WHY IS THE BATTLEPASS STILL TERRIBLE. Like as if its ever been worth the price ever. Unless it changes the longer you play? I am actually amazed how the same the game is after 3 years. So many of the predatory gacha systems still in place when you don't need any of it. I learnt over this time that to not get attached to gacha's, when you stop playing, you stop playing your old account entirely and have to start again. Genshin still has a fun gameplay loop for new players as long as they avoid anything related to Gacha. Then when you catch up to current content, quit the game. And start again in a few years.
@Goremize
@Goremize 3 месяца назад
As a new player who played at launch before quitting summary: I am amazed how much stuff is still the same or worse: 1. The glider is still way too slow, i'd trade 50% extra stam use for a 50% speed boost any day of the week. 2. The Battle Pass has not changed at all? Its still terrible. 3. Resin cap still just 160?? Why, lol. That's so bad. It should be double that by now. It was a bad mechanic that existed at launch to prevent people getting too high adventure rank and still exists even with people capped AR anyway for no reason. 4. The standard banner now features 4 star characters you can unlock that require materials from area's you don't have access too in order to ascend them. I got Sayu and realised I can't level her above 20 because of her impossible for now requirements. 5. The Standard banner is too diluted, it was bad at launch and somehow much worse now. It should have been split when new characters added up into 2 seperate standard banners that use the same wish, one with Liyue/Mond characters and the rest on the other. So new players can focus on characters they can actually level. OR Allow a focus option that increases the chances of what you would want, anything really. 6. There is still only one weapon banner going at a time after all this time? The game has SO MANY limited weapons now that's actually insane. How is it ever possible to get the weapon you may actually want? You need to wait like 1-2 years for its banner to return then spend everything? It was ok at launch because all the weapons worked on every character as every weapon was pretty universal. Didn't get WolfBlade but for the sky one? Congrats you still ended up with a bis weapon. The weapon banners look so bad now, the fact that only one runs at a time.... 7. There are more five star characters then four star characters who have become too rare. It is now much harder to new players to get four stars then ever before. Some four stars have not been featured on a banner for 7 months. Essentially, now its pull for one copy of a five star and use that. The standard banner is very unreliable and I could see people taking years just to see their first C6 if they don't quit before then. This only effects new players though as old players have been collecting before the pool was this diluted and oversaturated. 8. Its honestly still a lot harder then it should be to save up to do 10 pulls. They appear to really only want people to play during events/updates for new stories as everything else rewards nothing once you are done. I had hoped the rewards would have been increased by now for daily commisions and other things, its been 3 years, why are they the same. 9. I see Artifacts are still just entirely RNG and just a timesink farm to finally get a good one. 10. There is 4 versions of the Lantern Rite Event and the only way to see the previous ones is to watch video's of them? You can't play through them or? I also see they nerfed the tower defence mode we had so hard that the first version I saw people liking it and the latest version of mechanicus everyone Hated it with a passion. Which is disappointing cause I liked that event originally. ect. ect. TLDR. They have made the game worse for new players. So far, my goal is to ignore the gacha system entirely, not give them a cent for the fact that we basically have had no QOL in 3 years get to the end of the story and then delete the game again and wait another 3 years.
@SeminarChauffeur
@SeminarChauffeur 3 месяца назад
My dude just summed up why I didn't pick up HSR despite all the hype and don't care about ZZZ. Why jenshin will be my last hoyo game.
@Bleu79
@Bleu79 3 месяца назад
Commenting to boost also, this is one of the best take on this whole drama shenenigans, great video
@DarkuleFox
@DarkuleFox 3 месяца назад
It seem that you got the light ball man's attention.
@realitycheck439
@realitycheck439 3 месяца назад
You're 100% right, can't complain and support at the same time. Btw sub
@KarelTheKaiser
@KarelTheKaiser 3 месяца назад
Hey dude, great video so far, but i just wanted to say how many people are really deeping into the problems. Specially the CCers being scabs. It's nice to see other CCers like you having the same ideas that i stated as well. Let's keep it going!
@k.duelist4913
@k.duelist4913 3 месяца назад
Blame Cao Hao Yuuuu for Genshin's downfall 😅😅😅
@lulucombatir5402
@lulucombatir5402 3 месяца назад
I really love this game.. I'm afraid they will discontinue it when the sales plumed more than just fixing the game. The game really helps me with coping and has helped me through awful times. It would break my heart if it dies.😢 Also I think the video is really good and I also want others to see it. Keep the good work up! (ÓvÒ)
@kazuha74
@kazuha74 3 месяца назад
I havn't spent any money sense getting Klee's outfit and last time I spent money on hsr was and is the only time I have spent money and it was a measly $5 during Silver Wolfs first banner which worked out sense I have a1 and her light cone but yeah hoyo is not getting a dime more and I've uninstalled gi from my PC and have it on my ps4 because there's no way I'm gonna keep a f2p gacha game I play for like 30min a day on my PC that takes up so much unnecessary disk space run by a company that never listens to their player base.
@brightlight8852
@brightlight8852 3 месяца назад
I think that it also bears mentioning what was happening in the CN Genshin community during shortly before 4.0. Genshin was getting boycotted by CN players. The reason why was because of the censorship of female characters and the lack of a limited female character for an entire year. In addition to that, CN players were also just tired of Piemon talking their ears off. The fact that the Genshin sends devs were so blasé about everything didn't help. With Star Rail it fell off because Luofu was shit. The pacing was shit, the new Luofu characters barely did anything, hell the player barely did anything, and the direction was all over the place it probably didn't help that the game went well out of its way to not allow the MC to interact with certain characters but still expected people to care about them. The HCQ and their drama was the worst part. And on the fandom side of things speaking specifically if the cn fanbase they thought that it was going to be another Alhaitem and Kaveh, which while popular with some people as it turns out that group is a very very small but incredibly vocal minority. It being rewrittento be obtuse with its information didn't help.
@Stridershin
@Stridershin 3 месяца назад
I feel it in my heart...that my investment in this game is going right down the toilet as soon as Mihoyo deems it's no longer profitable. As in, I can feel that they don't truly value us. It's been a sinking feeling since Dehya released and at other moments over the years. I've played since the day Xaio first banner released and during that banner I whaled to his c6. Ive never once regretted doing that either, but only now do I realize that Mihoyo truly doesn't value my time or money. It's really sad, and even though I still love and enjoy playing, it's slowly making it less enjoyable for me. The repetitive quest lines, the obvious effort to just eat consume play time and mainly the withholding of rewards and quality of life that we deserve. I'm changing my player name for the first time since 2020 when I downloaded the game.
@maulanamalique
@maulanamalique 3 месяца назад
i always said that to protest, we have to not spend money to hoyoverse, including not to play HSR. good video, btw is there any genshin CC like tectone or any CC reacting to this video?
@Souldapop
@Souldapop 3 месяца назад
Biimow reached out, and Kokomi Clan made a reaction. It's been watched on Twitch on three occasions, but idk by who
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 3 месяца назад
Sensor tower is also not a reputable source
@gojo76
@gojo76 3 месяца назад
One of the CCs with the biggest koks out there goddamn, well done Also dont feel bad for hoyoverse dying, Wuthering Waves will take Genshin’s place
@byooob
@byooob 3 месяца назад
So glad you mentioned it, if you're complaining that Hoyo is treating you like sht, don't fall into their other trap. I have never given HSR any chance, I don't have an account and never downloaded it.
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 3 месяца назад
Why I'm questioning your sources is because I remember people saying that that CN IOS market was faking the revenues to make it look how the site wanted it to look. Idk if it got proven, but I heard many people don't take it as a reputable source anymore.
@shemarsmith9262
@shemarsmith9262 3 месяца назад
Setting the graphics to low doesn't really change anything, same with staying logged in. Having people logged in benefits the company regardless of what they do and no one really opens the co-op screen as much as you think
@JPS13Laptop
@JPS13Laptop 3 месяца назад
I don't agree with removing the AR locks as they are there to ensure you are ready to progress. It does not take that long. Also are you really suggesting inazuma be a paid dlc or am I missing something here?
@carjac820
@carjac820 3 месяца назад
True. being a F2P ascending can make everything harder for players to the point that they get burnt down and it’s not like you stopped gaining exp once you hit the ceiling, all points you’ve gained while your AR is still locked will be returned to you after ascending. Yep, you heard that right. He’s suggesting to make Inazuma a paid DLC. Genshin might as well ditch gacha system and make the entire game a paid one.
@JPS13Laptop
@JPS13Laptop 3 месяца назад
@@carjac820 They completely lost me at the paid dlc bit tbh. Like who else would legitimately think that's a good idea?
@simplystarfall7891
@simplystarfall7891 3 месяца назад
He's suggesting hoyoverse sells story skips. People get the choice to play the game, reach certain AR level to unlock the next story quest or just pay money to get those unlocked immediately.
@JPS13Laptop
@JPS13Laptop 3 месяца назад
@@simplystarfall7891 Thats even worse tbh considering the story is most of the content. They may as well just not play the game at that point.
@itslmithras7417
@itslmithras7417 3 месяца назад
This is why Gacha games would typically live for around 3-5 years. Genshin is the first gacha I've played and loved, and seeing them not making any good progress, it's making me sad. A dark future is ahead of us 💀
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 3 месяца назад
Whales don't put on reruns, yeah, but genshin attracts a lot of new players each year, so the reruns are getting pulled by the whales, or semi-whales/dolphins who were 1-2 cons away from the c6r5 they wanted to get
@andromeda_va39
@andromeda_va39 3 месяца назад
I mean, I haven't spent a single cent on the game at all and I just pull for characters I like. If people are protesting by going F2P, do I even have to change anything?
@Be727z
@Be727z 3 месяца назад
I guess you could just change your name and signature to something showing distaste
@TheEliteDodo
@TheEliteDodo 3 месяца назад
Really good video, i wish people shared your opinions and takes.
@DEDSEHG
@DEDSEHG 3 месяца назад
If you want to make change, you have to be willing to GIVE UP everything that you are. You can't just bitch about the game and then log on. you have to be willing to sacrifice it completely Look at the only thing that has made hoyo shake. Hentai, and Leaks the people bringin the leaks, were willing to do it despite the scare of a 300k lawsuit. There is a guy IN PRISON, because he made hentai of the genshin characters. these are the people that have forced hoyo's hand. If you aren't willing to do something similar to that degree, you are half hearted, and you may as well be wasting your time. They say this: "If you dont like it. Leave" And they say that as a literal bluff. CALL THEIR BLUFF! OR STOP WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME
@broccoli5176
@broccoli5176 3 месяца назад
There are two funny things here (about situation). Firstly, some time ago, I saw a lot of posts on the Genshin-subreddit saying that statistics from sites like genshinlab are fake and cannot be trusted. And so, look at the current situation - now the same community is using sites like Genshinlab to prove that the boycott of the game failed and the best banner in the history of the game appeared in it. The double standards of this community never cease to amaze me. Secondly, I don't really understand why, as an HSR player, I should be touched by this whole Genshin problem. I'm absolutely fine with the way they develop HSR. This game, in less than six months, has already brought the HSR-team more than one billion dollars on mobile devices alone. And, actually, I'm happy for them. At least the HSR-team, unlike the Genshin-team, cares about its game and really listens to its audience. There is no point in punishing some developers for something that others don't do. I would also like to add that it is incorrect to base statistics only on information from sensortower. As far as I know, we do not have full information about revenue from Hoyoverse, since they are not a public company.
@benjay8310
@benjay8310 3 месяца назад
I really hope more people see this video
@tiger-ym7ln
@tiger-ym7ln 3 месяца назад
"Your overconfidence is your weakness" Luke Skywalker. i feel this perfectly describe hoyoverse
@raihanrusli2720
@raihanrusli2720 3 месяца назад
About limited events, yeah I know it really sucks to think the devs spend so many times only for us to enjoy in within 2 weeks. But I think the problem why genshin limit those flagship events (outside FOMO) is because storage. I think that the game storage itself is already pretty big, especially mobile players. Ok they can just mitigate this by ability to download and remove memories of these limited event quests just like story quests rn. But the other is that these events is also situational, summer events and CNY. I dont play HSR that much, but it looks like their events arent so linear as genshin in terms of lore and story. But genshin does. We already have 3 summer events and 4 CNY events, all of them have requirements of certain quests far end to the main story. Also imagine new players have to play 4 CNY events which is weird Genshin prefer to retcon our relation with other characters (I met mona for first time at her story quest, but older players met her at 1.1 flagship event) Idk man, for its kinda impossible for them making old flagship events become permanent. New ones may be, but they need to change the direction of the story. Not saying anything you do is wrong, its just my piece of mind. If someone can give me idea I'd like to hear it
@carjac820
@carjac820 3 месяца назад
Honestly, Making the game playable on mobile is their biggest Achilles heel. A lot of compromises in the storytelling has been done in order to cater to the mobile audience. Some really good story quest has been less enjoyable to me mainly because a lot of compromise has been made like the lack of voicing and cinematic cutscenes and not to mention that these world quests uses a lot more area on the map than the Archon quests.
@latioshunter
@latioshunter 3 месяца назад
Its sad to know that the only ones that will click and see this video are those that care and are just about ready to leave due to the lack of Mihoyo response. Everyone else will keep happily licking the boot until the inevitable and will be surprised it ever could even happen.
@KarelTheKaiser
@KarelTheKaiser 3 месяца назад
15:36 Nah is cuz they don't wanna give us anxiety LOL Nah nah, the thing is that meaningful endgame means give more primos which means less revenue. Why? cuz meaningful endgame content would mean being able to farm more primogems daily through ingame content. Same with a co-op abyss. They want none of that.
@praneelsuryavanshi4175
@praneelsuryavanshi4175 3 месяца назад
so you are saying they care abt the revenue and not the entirety of player base
@KarelTheKaiser
@KarelTheKaiser 3 месяца назад
@@praneelsuryavanshi4175 thats 1000% accurate
@praneelsuryavanshi4175
@praneelsuryavanshi4175 3 месяца назад
@@KarelTheKaiser thats sad, i think ppl shud stop playing the game because of that
@KarelTheKaiser
@KarelTheKaiser 3 месяца назад
@@praneelsuryavanshi4175 thats why there's a boycott going on. My aproach is to steal from them as much as possible since they said there would be no endgame.
@banir3736
@banir3736 3 месяца назад
So basically, even though my whole and only reason is to have fun, sacrifice my fun for a pointless struggle that may or may not result into something I want? Go it bro -brain dead internet people.
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 3 месяца назад
I remember Sekapoko calling his chatter greedy and childish because they said Hoyoverse has ignored their playerbase. I haven't watched him ever since that.
@fiaschampion3379
@fiaschampion3379 3 месяца назад
There just isn't anything to do. The game has these cool characters that it wants you to spend for/roll for and all you do with them is just farm for the next one. It never feels rewarding or satisfactory, the game just wants you to keep rolling and farming for an amount of content that just doesn't justify it.
@sanddraggon_6132
@sanddraggon_6132 3 месяца назад
I knew it!! I have always wondered how it could be possible for a mid banner like this to do so well. The idea of your protest is not bad but the downside is that you add up to the number of active players for mihoyo.
@robertcampbellii9787
@robertcampbellii9787 3 месяца назад
Everywhere I turn, I see people who have Kirara except me.
@impostorsyndrome1350
@impostorsyndrome1350 3 месяца назад
What's the source for this "consumer data", were it all consumers?? Half of them, some part of the consumer base, who exactly were taken for these measures??? People who watch RU-vid? I no way, shape, or form do they represent even a half of genshin's casual community.
@domikatz
@domikatz 3 месяца назад
whaling on genshin was simply the worse decision ive ever made, legit does nothing and game isnt fun
@jhonmartinez3113
@jhonmartinez3113 3 месяца назад
Genshin has more than 60 million players, I doubt that the Russians, French, Vietnamese, Japanese, Portuguese, Germans, etc. They don't spend on the game or that the English-speaking message reaches their community. Genshin is in decline, but I think you made a mistake in the graphics.
@nitesy381
@nitesy381 3 месяца назад
it should have seemed hsr and genshin being very different would have avoided internal competition. the data states otherwise. no one likes to pay twice. similar shit happened to titan fall 2. no one must spend a dime on hoyo. even better waste theirs until they do something beneficial to us.
@chriscain7333
@chriscain7333 3 месяца назад
Chenyu valley, best ost 10/10
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